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	<title>Comments on: CMHC on leaky condos: no &#8216;duty of care&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: SoldTooSoon</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-4002</link>
		<dc:creator>SoldTooSoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 03:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, but...that&#039;s what the acronym stands for: CoMmitted to Helping Canadians!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-4002&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, but&#8230;that&#8217;s what the acronym stands for: CoMmitted to Helping Canadians!
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		<title>By: grant</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-4001</link>
		<dc:creator>grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why do investors sell call options? Why are they willing to give up future capital gains in return for money now?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A few possibilities:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1) they may obtain much better than market prices using this method&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2) they obtain money now for something they only have to sell in the future... &quot;now&quot; money is worth more than &quot;future&quot; money&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3) there is the possibility that the prospective purchaser will default, leaving the owner with a windfall deposit&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4) tenants will probably treat the property a lot better if they will eventually own it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;5) their financial master plan may involve them selling that property in a few years regardless&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;6) ... the most obvious :  they don&#039;t expect particularly great capital appreciation going forward&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-4001&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why do investors sell call options? Why are they willing to give up future capital gains in return for money now?</i><br />A few possibilities:</p>
<p>1) they may obtain much better than market prices using this method</p>
<p>2) they obtain money now for something they only have to sell in the future&#8230; &#8220;now&#8221; money is worth more than &#8220;future&#8221; money</p>
<p>3) there is the possibility that the prospective purchaser will default, leaving the owner with a windfall deposit</p>
<p>4) tenants will probably treat the property a lot better if they will eventually own it.</p>
<p>5) their financial master plan may involve them selling that property in a few years regardless</p>
<p>6) &#8230; the most obvious :  they don&#8217;t expect particularly great capital appreciation going forward
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-4000</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hey: Craigslist has a &quot;rent to own&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s selling a call option on real estate.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why do investors sell call options? Why are they willing to give up future capital gains in return for money now?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-4000&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hey: Craigslist has a &#8220;rent to own&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s selling a call option on real estate.</p>
<p>Why do investors sell call options? Why are they willing to give up future capital gains in return for money now?
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		<title>By: grant</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3999</link>
		<dc:creator>grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drachen wow you are humourless, I guess this topic weighs so heavily on you it prevents you from cracking a smile.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My matchbook-cover law education (which accounts for nearly nothing) says the CHMC is not only un-responsible for the quality of the homes that people build &amp; buy, but in fact, the CMHC has no way to even FORCE builders to make better homes.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Since you want &quot;someething useful&quot; in these comments how about YOU refer to legal precedent that says otherwise?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Personally I think people are suing CMHC because there&#039;s some possibility they&#039;ll get money and damn the righteousness of it.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3999&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drachen wow you are humourless, I guess this topic weighs so heavily on you it prevents you from cracking a smile.</p>
<p>My matchbook-cover law education (which accounts for nearly nothing) says the CHMC is not only un-responsible for the quality of the homes that people build &#038; buy, but in fact, the CMHC has no way to even FORCE builders to make better homes.  </p>
<p>Since you want &#8220;someething useful&#8221; in these comments how about YOU refer to legal precedent that says otherwise?</p>
<p>Personally I think people are suing CMHC because there&#8217;s some possibility they&#8217;ll get money and damn the righteousness of it.
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		<title>By: aetakeo</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3998</link>
		<dc:creator>aetakeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 06:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god. And - a one bedroom apartment downtown, where you can rent the *bedroom* for $695 ($750 for a couple), and there&#039;s someone in the livingroom.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://vancouver.craigslist.org/apa/333201120.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I mean. HOLY COW. Really?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3998&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god. And &#8211; a one bedroom apartment downtown, where you can rent the *bedroom* for $695 ($750 for a couple), and there&#8217;s someone in the livingroom.<br /><a HREF="http://vancouver.craigslist.org/apa/333201120.html" REL="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>I mean. HOLY COW. Really?
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		<title>By: aetakeo</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3997</link>
		<dc:creator>aetakeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 06:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey: Craigslist has a &quot;rent to own&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://vancouver.craigslist.org/apa/332757152.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3997&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey: Craigslist has a &#8220;rent to own&#8221;.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://vancouver.craigslist.org/apa/332757152.html" REL="nofollow">Link</a>
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		<title>By: M-</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3996</link>
		<dc:creator>M-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 06:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I don&#039;t know where I was going with that comment.  I just started rambling on.  Unless you&#039;re capable of doing an inspection yourself, ALWAYS make offers subject to inspection!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3996&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I don&#8217;t know where I was going with that comment.  I just started rambling on.  Unless you&#8217;re capable of doing an inspection yourself, ALWAYS make offers subject to inspection!
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		<title>By: M-</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3995</link>
		<dc:creator>M-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 06:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In every case of leaky condo that I&#039;ve taken the time to look into, it has always come down to one thing:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shoddy workmanship.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Not the building code, but good old crappy workmanship that wasn&#039;t caught/enforced by an inspector.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Well, there was one case that I&#039;ve come across of outright fraud, where excessive condensation was occuring inside a wall because the builder took the insulation out after the inspector signed off on it, to use it on another project.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What I learned when I bought my place, and was reminded of while recently helping a relative (who really wants to buy now, despite my advice to the contrary) is that sometimes, realtors lie.  Other times, they don&#039;t know and didn&#039;t bother to ask, or they&#039;re just completely oblivious.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of the four buildings I did quick walk-around exterior tours of recently for my relative, all 4 were described as problem-free buildings, three were great Landmark Arms buildings, never a problem, will last forever!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;...But three of the four had had some walls replaced with new wall assemblies, ongoing work (&quot;that&#039;s just water ingress, a little moisture, it&#039;s not a leaky condo&quot;)...  Ugh, (some) realtors make me sick.  At least my relative won&#039;t be buying into any of the three leakers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;She made an offer on the fourth building, which I tentatively OKayed, but her offer was a little under asking, the only offer, and the owner refused to sell for any less than $6K *over* ask.  That unit has since been taken off the market because the owner couldn&#039;t get the price he wanted.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3995&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In every case of leaky condo that I&#8217;ve taken the time to look into, it has always come down to one thing:</p>
<p>Shoddy workmanship.</p>
<p>Not the building code, but good old crappy workmanship that wasn&#8217;t caught/enforced by an inspector.</p>
<p>Well, there was one case that I&#8217;ve come across of outright fraud, where excessive condensation was occuring inside a wall because the builder took the insulation out after the inspector signed off on it, to use it on another project.</p>
<p>What I learned when I bought my place, and was reminded of while recently helping a relative (who really wants to buy now, despite my advice to the contrary) is that sometimes, realtors lie.  Other times, they don&#8217;t know and didn&#8217;t bother to ask, or they&#8217;re just completely oblivious.</p>
<p>Of the four buildings I did quick walk-around exterior tours of recently for my relative, all 4 were described as problem-free buildings, three were great Landmark Arms buildings, never a problem, will last forever!</p>
<p>&#8230;But three of the four had had some walls replaced with new wall assemblies, ongoing work (&#8220;that&#8217;s just water ingress, a little moisture, it&#8217;s not a leaky condo&#8221;)&#8230;  Ugh, (some) realtors make me sick.  At least my relative won&#8217;t be buying into any of the three leakers.</p>
<p>She made an offer on the fourth building, which I tentatively OKayed, but her offer was a little under asking, the only offer, and the owner refused to sell for any less than $6K *over* ask.  That unit has since been taken off the market because the owner couldn&#8217;t get the price he wanted.
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		<title>By: vineland</title>
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		<dc:creator>vineland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 06:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if this government has been doing as good a job on regulating building codes as it has been regulating drivers of farm workers, we are really in for a treat.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3994&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if this government has been doing as good a job on regulating building codes as it has been regulating drivers of farm workers, we are really in for a treat.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3993</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 04:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CMHC has no mandate or obligation to enforce building standards. Isn&#039;t that obvious? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;d might as well blame CDIC for letting a bank make a car loan to someone who bought a lemon.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Put the blame where is belongs, with provincial and local governments who are responsible for writing and enforcing building codes and consumer protection legislation.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3993&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMHC has no mandate or obligation to enforce building standards. Isn&#8217;t that obvious? </p>
<p>You&#8217;d might as well blame CDIC for letting a bank make a car loan to someone who bought a lemon.</p>
<p>Put the blame where is belongs, with provincial and local governments who are responsible for writing and enforcing building codes and consumer protection legislation.
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3992</link>
		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 03:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Grant&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;re a publicly funded institution dedicated to giving sweet loving to pretty ladies?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If not then stop being a contrarian wiseass and add something useful to the conversation for a change.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the other hand if you ARE being publicly funded for this service, where do I sign up for your job?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3992&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Grant</b></p>
<p>You&#8217;re a publicly funded institution dedicated to giving sweet loving to pretty ladies?</p>
<p>If not then stop being a contrarian wiseass and add something useful to the conversation for a change.</p>
<p>On the other hand if you ARE being publicly funded for this service, where do I sign up for your job?
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		<title>By: grant</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3991</link>
		<dc:creator>grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, i&#039;m committed to giving the pretty ladies of vancouver all the sweet, sweet grant lovin&#039; they can handle... does that mean they can sue me if I turn down dates to play poker with the boys?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not sure that &lt;i&gt;wanting&lt;/i&gt; to do something necessarily translates into a &lt;i&gt;legal requirement&lt;/i&gt; to do something.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3991&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, i&#8217;m committed to giving the pretty ladies of vancouver all the sweet, sweet grant lovin&#8217; they can handle&#8230; does that mean they can sue me if I turn down dates to play poker with the boys?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that <i>wanting</i> to do something necessarily translates into a <i>legal requirement</i> to do something.
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		<title>By: digi</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3990</link>
		<dc:creator>digi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed that smell as well, I thought maybe it was just a kits thing. What part of town are you in?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So CMHC is committed to helping Canadians unless they actually need help?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3990&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that smell as well, I thought maybe it was just a kits thing. What part of town are you in?</p>
<p>So CMHC is committed to helping Canadians unless they actually need help?
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		<title>By: mold city</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3989</link>
		<dc:creator>mold city</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plenty of blame to go around.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;..and judging by the scent around the morning &#039;smoke breaks&#039; at the construction sites I walk by in the morning there also seems to be a lot of weed to go around.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3989&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plenty of blame to go around.</p>
<p>..and judging by the scent around the morning &#8216;smoke breaks&#8217; at the construction sites I walk by in the morning there also seems to be a lot of weed to go around.
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