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		<title>By: SoldTooSoon</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-4002</link>
		<dc:creator>SoldTooSoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, but...that&#039;s what the acronym stands for: CoMmitted to Helping Canadians! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-4002&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, but&#8230;that&#039;s what the acronym stands for: CoMmitted to Helping Canadians!
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		<title>By: grant</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-4001</link>
		<dc:creator>grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why do investors sell call options? Why are they willing to give up future capital gains in return for money now?&lt;/i&gt;A few possibilities:1) they may obtain much better than market prices using this method2) they obtain money now for something they only have to sell in the future... &quot;now&quot; money is worth more than &quot;future&quot; money3) there is the possibility that the prospective purchaser will default, leaving the owner with a windfall deposit4) tenants will probably treat the property a lot better if they will eventually own it.5) their financial master plan may involve them selling that property in a few years regardless6) ... the most obvious :  they don&#039;t expect particularly great capital appreciation going forward &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-4001&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why do investors sell call options? Why are they willing to give up future capital gains in return for money now?</i>A few possibilities:1) they may obtain much better than market prices using this method2) they obtain money now for something they only have to sell in the future&#8230; &quot;now&quot; money is worth more than &quot;future&quot; money3) there is the possibility that the prospective purchaser will default, leaving the owner with a windfall deposit4) tenants will probably treat the property a lot better if they will eventually own it.5) their financial master plan may involve them selling that property in a few years regardless6) &#8230; the most obvious :  they don&#039;t expect particularly great capital appreciation going forward
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-4000</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 12:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hey: Craigslist has a &quot;rent to own&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;That&#039;s selling a call option on real estate.Why do investors sell call options? Why are they willing to give up future capital gains in return for money now? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-4000&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hey: Craigslist has a &quot;rent to own&quot;.</i>That&#039;s selling a call option on real estate.Why do investors sell call options? Why are they willing to give up future capital gains in return for money now?
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		<title>By: grant</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3999</link>
		<dc:creator>grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 08:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drachen wow you are humourless, I guess this topic weighs so heavily on you it prevents you from cracking a smile.My matchbook-cover law education (which accounts for nearly nothing) says the CHMC is not only un-responsible for the quality of the homes that people build &amp; buy, but in fact, the CMHC has no way to even FORCE builders to make better homes.  Since you want &quot;someething useful&quot; in these comments how about YOU refer to legal precedent that says otherwise?Personally I think people are suing CMHC because there&#039;s some possibility they&#039;ll get money and damn the righteousness of it. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3999&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drachen wow you are humourless, I guess this topic weighs so heavily on you it prevents you from cracking a smile.My matchbook-cover law education (which accounts for nearly nothing) says the CHMC is not only un-responsible for the quality of the homes that people build &amp; buy, but in fact, the CMHC has no way to even FORCE builders to make better homes.  Since you want &quot;someething useful&quot; in these comments how about YOU refer to legal precedent that says otherwise?Personally I think people are suing CMHC because there&#039;s some possibility they&#039;ll get money and damn the righteousness of it.
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		<title>By: aetakeo</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3998</link>
		<dc:creator>aetakeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god. And - a one bedroom apartment downtown, where you can rent the *bedroom* for $695 ($750 for a couple), and there&#039;s someone in the livingroom.&lt;a href=&quot;http://vancouver.craigslist.org/apa/333201120.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;I mean. HOLY COW. Really? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3998&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god. And &#8211; a one bedroom apartment downtown, where you can rent the *bedroom* for $695 ($750 for a couple), and there&#039;s someone in the livingroom.<a href="http://vancouver.craigslist.org/apa/333201120.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a>I mean. HOLY COW. Really?
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		<title>By: aetakeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aetakeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey: Craigslist has a &quot;rent to own&quot;.&lt;a href=&quot;http://vancouver.craigslist.org/apa/332757152.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3997&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey: Craigslist has a &quot;rent to own&quot;.<a href="http://vancouver.craigslist.org/apa/332757152.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a>
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		<title>By: M-</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3996</link>
		<dc:creator>M-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I don&#039;t know where I was going with that comment.  I just started rambling on.  Unless you&#039;re capable of doing an inspection yourself, ALWAYS make offers subject to inspection! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3996&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I don&#039;t know where I was going with that comment.  I just started rambling on.  Unless you&#039;re capable of doing an inspection yourself, ALWAYS make offers subject to inspection!
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		<title>By: M-</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3995</link>
		<dc:creator>M-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In every case of leaky condo that I&#039;ve taken the time to look into, it has always come down to one thing:Shoddy workmanship.Not the building code, but good old crappy workmanship that wasn&#039;t caught/enforced by an inspector.Well, there was one case that I&#039;ve come across of outright fraud, where excessive condensation was occuring inside a wall because the builder took the insulation out after the inspector signed off on it, to use it on another project.What I learned when I bought my place, and was reminded of while recently helping a relative (who really wants to buy now, despite my advice to the contrary) is that sometimes, realtors lie.  Other times, they don&#039;t know and didn&#039;t bother to ask, or they&#039;re just completely oblivious.Of the four buildings I did quick walk-around exterior tours of recently for my relative, all 4 were described as problem-free buildings, three were great Landmark Arms buildings, never a problem, will last forever!...But three of the four had had some walls replaced with new wall assemblies, ongoing work (&quot;that&#039;s just water ingress, a little moisture, it&#039;s not a leaky condo&quot;)...  Ugh, (some) realtors make me sick.  At least my relative won&#039;t be buying into any of the three leakers.She made an offer on the fourth building, which I tentatively OKayed, but her offer was a little under asking, the only offer, and the owner refused to sell for any less than $6K *over* ask.  That unit has since been taken off the market because the owner couldn&#039;t get the price he wanted. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3995&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In every case of leaky condo that I&#039;ve taken the time to look into, it has always come down to one thing:Shoddy workmanship.Not the building code, but good old crappy workmanship that wasn&#039;t caught/enforced by an inspector.Well, there was one case that I&#039;ve come across of outright fraud, where excessive condensation was occuring inside a wall because the builder took the insulation out after the inspector signed off on it, to use it on another project.What I learned when I bought my place, and was reminded of while recently helping a relative (who really wants to buy now, despite my advice to the contrary) is that sometimes, realtors lie.  Other times, they don&#039;t know and didn&#039;t bother to ask, or they&#039;re just completely oblivious.Of the four buildings I did quick walk-around exterior tours of recently for my relative, all 4 were described as problem-free buildings, three were great Landmark Arms buildings, never a problem, will last forever!&#8230;But three of the four had had some walls replaced with new wall assemblies, ongoing work (&quot;that&#039;s just water ingress, a little moisture, it&#039;s not a leaky condo&quot;)&#8230;  Ugh, (some) realtors make me sick.  At least my relative won&#039;t be buying into any of the three leakers.She made an offer on the fourth building, which I tentatively OKayed, but her offer was a little under asking, the only offer, and the owner refused to sell for any less than $6K *over* ask.  That unit has since been taken off the market because the owner couldn&#039;t get the price he wanted.
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		<title>By: vineland</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/05/cmhc-on-leaky-condos-no-duty-of-care.html#comment-3994</link>
		<dc:creator>vineland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if this government has been doing as good a job on regulating building codes as it has been regulating drivers of farm workers, we are really in for a treat. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3994&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if this government has been doing as good a job on regulating building codes as it has been regulating drivers of farm workers, we are really in for a treat.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CMHC has no mandate or obligation to enforce building standards. Isn&#039;t that obvious? You&#039;d might as well blame CDIC for letting a bank make a car loan to someone who bought a lemon.Put the blame where is belongs, with provincial and local governments who are responsible for writing and enforcing building codes and consumer protection legislation. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-3993&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMHC has no mandate or obligation to enforce building standards. Isn&#039;t that obvious? You&#039;d might as well blame CDIC for letting a bank make a car loan to someone who bought a lemon.Put the blame where is belongs, with provincial and local governments who are responsible for writing and enforcing building codes and consumer protection legislation.
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