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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/08/everybody-must-get-stoned.html#comment-5814</link>
		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>satv is satv.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don't think there's any need for speculation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He works in warehouse management for Loblaws.  He graduated high school around 1986 and joined Loblaws not long after.  He is relatively poorly educated and admits to being more of a jock than an intellectual.  His poor English is a result of lack of personal mental organization which also shows up in his debating skills (often producing fallacies and non sequitors).  I don't think he's a troll, but he seems to enjoy the fact that he's the pariah here, I think it makes him feel special.  The views he espouses are, I am quite certain genuinely felt, but because of his poor critical thinking skills he cannot independently come to his own conclusions and simply relies on what he hears in the mass media (which he attempts to parrot here to 'educate' the rest of us).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There.  I'm going to bookmark this thread.  Next time the whole, "who is Satv?" conversation comes up just refer back to this comment because it's distracting us from our purpose for being here and it's really not relevant.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5814"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">satv is satv.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any need for speculation.</p>
<p>He works in warehouse management for Loblaws.  He graduated high school around 1986 and joined Loblaws not long after.  He is relatively poorly educated and admits to being more of a jock than an intellectual.  His poor English is a result of lack of personal mental organization which also shows up in his debating skills (often producing fallacies and non sequitors).  I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s a troll, but he seems to enjoy the fact that he&#8217;s the pariah here, I think it makes him feel special.  The views he espouses are, I am quite certain genuinely felt, but because of his poor critical thinking skills he cannot independently come to his own conclusions and simply relies on what he hears in the mass media (which he attempts to parrot here to &#8216;educate&#8217; the rest of us).</p>
<p>There.  I&#8217;m going to bookmark this thread.  Next time the whole, &#8220;who is Satv?&#8221; conversation comes up just refer back to this comment because it&#8217;s distracting us from our purpose for being here and it&#8217;s really not relevant.
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		<title>By: freako</title>
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		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is senseless. Look at it this way: SATV is SATV. And if he just happens to be the alter-ego of somebody else, he deserves a break on general principle for such original metaphors. And should this alter ego be a manipulating realtor, wouldn't you rather have this manipulator waste time writing in a manner which takes time and is hard to understand than making up salient and convincing spin?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5812"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">This is senseless. Look at it this way: SATV is SATV. And if he just happens to be the alter-ego of somebody else, he deserves a break on general principle for such original metaphors. And should this alter ego be a manipulating realtor, wouldn&#8217;t you rather have this manipulator waste time writing in a manner which takes time and is hard to understand than making up salient and convincing spin?
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/08/everybody-must-get-stoned.html#comment-5813</link>
		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things are unravelling quickly.  More news, this time on our side of the border.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"...a report from  RBC Financial Group's economics department said: "Our expectation is that generally healthy financial conditions outside of housing will prevent the weakness in equities from continuing.""&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And that's trying to put a positive spin on things.  Interesting how the banks have gone from pretending housing is solid to chucking it overboard as excess baggage on a sinking ship in under a week.  Kind of implies that they knew all along that housing was shaky.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    &lt;a HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2007/08/16/markets.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;TSX plunges to 2006 levels&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5813"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Things are unravelling quickly.  More news, this time on our side of the border.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;a report from  RBC Financial Group&#8217;s economics department said: &#8220;Our expectation is that generally healthy financial conditions outside of housing will prevent the weakness in equities from continuing.&#8221;"</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s trying to put a positive spin on things.  Interesting how the banks have gone from pretending housing is solid to chucking it overboard as excess baggage on a sinking ship in under a week.  Kind of implies that they knew all along that housing was shaky.</p>
<p>    <a HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2007/08/16/markets.html" REL="nofollow">TSX plunges to 2006 levels</a>
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2007/08/everybody-must-get-stoned.html#comment-5811</link>
		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'couple of good articles on my favourite economics blog (you may have to watch a short commercial to read them)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For those of you who thought US housing problems won't reach up to Vancouver, it's already hurting hobbits and James Bond.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;    &lt;a HREF="http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/08/15/subprime_hobbit/index.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;Hobbits&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And a general overview of the cascading effects of the US meltdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF="http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/08/16/no_news_august/index.html" REL="nofollow"&gt;Housing starts at a 10 year low&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5811"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">&#8216;couple of good articles on my favourite economics blog (you may have to watch a short commercial to read them)</p>
<p>For those of you who thought US housing problems won&#8217;t reach up to Vancouver, it&#8217;s already hurting hobbits and James Bond.</p>
<p>    <a HREF="http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/08/15/subprime_hobbit/index.html" REL="nofollow">Hobbits</a></p>
<p>And a general overview of the cascading effects of the US meltdown.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/08/16/no_news_august/index.html" REL="nofollow">Housing starts at a 10 year low</a>
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;don't think anybody thinks of these newest townhouses as "dwellings" anymore, but merely investments. They're not meant to be lived in, so who cares about the quality. Everyone buys them to sell in a couple of years and they don't expect their lifespan to go beyond that&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That of course is the bubble, or should I say bizarro, definition of "investment" - something without inherent value, but which will be taken off your hands by a greater fool.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As opposed to the economic definition of "investment" - an asset that you buy for a price justified by its future yield of income or utility.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5810"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><i>don&#8217;t think anybody thinks of these newest townhouses as &#8220;dwellings&#8221; anymore, but merely investments. They&#8217;re not meant to be lived in, so who cares about the quality. Everyone buys them to sell in a couple of years and they don&#8217;t expect their lifespan to go beyond that</i></p>
<p>That of course is the bubble, or should I say bizarro, definition of &#8220;investment&#8221; - something without inherent value, but which will be taken off your hands by a greater fool.</p>
<p>As opposed to the economic definition of &#8220;investment&#8221; - an asset that you buy for a price justified by its future yield of income or utility.
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		<title>By: tulip-Mania2</title>
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		<dc:creator>tulip-Mania2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Saskatoon really rocks at almost 54% yoy price increase.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Must be the mountains, the olympics, and oh yeah-shortage of land.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Imagine what Rennie could do for that market.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5809"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Looks like Saskatoon really rocks at almost 54% yoy price increase.</p>
<p>Must be the mountains, the olympics, and oh yeah-shortage of land.</p>
<p>Imagine what Rennie could do for that market.
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		<title>By: satv</title>
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		<dc:creator>satv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard said... &lt;br/&gt;i know it's not friday, but still, vancouver is still number one &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;8/15/07 3:42 PM &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Richard,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;thanx for the link vancouver rocks.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5808"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Richard said&#8230; <br />i know it&#8217;s not friday, but still, vancouver is still number one </p>
<p>8/15/07 3:42 PM </p>
<p>Richard,</p>
<p>thanx for the link vancouver rocks.
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		<title>By: satv</title>
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		<dc:creator>satv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>satv = REALTOR X,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I work on wms, thats kind of laptop hang in front of your eyes at a one feet distance.their are hot keys function to see assignments and function to confirm.all assignment are timed and we are connected to one center from all over canada.what should be done on priority sequences that poped up to our t.r.t.a.can't tell you more than this because of policy and procedure,yeah I can tell you I work for galen weston.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5807"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">satv = REALTOR X,</p>
<p>I work on wms, thats kind of laptop hang in front of your eyes at a one feet distance.their are hot keys function to see assignments and function to confirm.all assignment are timed and we are connected to one center from all over canada.what should be done on priority sequences that poped up to our t.r.t.a.can&#8217;t tell you more than this because of policy and procedure,yeah I can tell you I work for galen weston.
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		<title>By: satv</title>
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		<dc:creator>satv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>satv is a troll,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;yeah that manufacturing was closest in the list so I tab that one accidentlly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;kaydee,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;you have a edge over that issue so i give that to you only if your act is accurate reloading after report implimentation,that works properly.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5806"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">satv is a troll,</p>
<p>yeah that manufacturing was closest in the list so I tab that one accidentlly.</p>
<p>kaydee,</p>
<p>you have a edge over that issue so i give that to you only if your act is accurate reloading after report implimentation,that works properly.
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		<title>By: Kaydee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaydee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SATV "objects are placed accurately, and can not be judge without performance after completion"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry most of what I find can be seen easily by an experienced eye. What I see is absolutely no Professional supervision or contractors who are overloaded and understaffed with experienced people. This is not "normal" contruction defects but "sloppy" poor quality workmanship. I've been at this for 30 years and the construction quality is far below the level it was 10 years ago. The design of building envelopes has improved and that quality is better as that is watched closely and covered by extended 10 year warranties. All other building systems only have to last 1 year so they duct tape it together for 12 months! :-) (slight exageration).&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5805"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">SATV &#8220;objects are placed accurately, and can not be judge without performance after completion&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry most of what I find can be seen easily by an experienced eye. What I see is absolutely no Professional supervision or contractors who are overloaded and understaffed with experienced people. This is not &#8220;normal&#8221; contruction defects but &#8220;sloppy&#8221; poor quality workmanship. I&#8217;ve been at this for 30 years and the construction quality is far below the level it was 10 years ago. The design of building envelopes has improved and that quality is better as that is watched closely and covered by extended 10 year warranties. All other building systems only have to last 1 year so they duct tape it together for 12 months! <img src='http://vancouvercondo.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> (slight exageration).
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		<title>By: satv = REALTOR X</title>
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		<dc:creator>satv = REALTOR X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>satv: what do you do?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5804"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">satv: what do you do?
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		<title>By: satv is a troll</title>
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		<dc:creator>satv is a troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satv: You accidentally left your profile file open. I thought you said you worked at Superstore, yet your profile says manufacturing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Honest mistake I guess. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Speaking of honest mistakes, I posted a link which would be useful to specuvestors who might have made "errors" on their tax returns, and might want to amend their file.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Did you post the link for your friends on that other blog,some of them might find it useful?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5803"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Satv: You accidentally left your profile file open. I thought you said you worked at Superstore, yet your profile says manufacturing.</p>
<p>Honest mistake I guess. </p>
<p>Speaking of honest mistakes, I posted a link which would be useful to specuvestors who might have made &#8220;errors&#8221; on their tax returns, and might want to amend their file.</p>
<p>Did you post the link for your friends on that other blog,some of them might find it useful?
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		<title>By: freako</title>
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		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;you definitely deserve lots of appreciation to put analysis from their real estate.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Analysis? I merely shat on NAR propaganda.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5802"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><b>you definitely deserve lots of appreciation to put analysis from their real estate.</b></p>
<p>Analysis? I merely shat on NAR propaganda.
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		<title>By: satv</title>
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		<dc:creator>satv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>freako&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;you definitely deserve lots of appreciation to put analysis from their real estate.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I do not preserve from extinction of american real estate,how ever this is a first time i took a shot to show metro behave otherwise vancouver is not depend on usa,but yeah by mistake you have abuse your source by saying,and you are the one who represent usa model to vancouver I have read you lots of time before.&lt;br/&gt;freako said... &lt;br/&gt;Don't buy their spin, and don't perpetuate it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;freako whats going on?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I still respect your hard work,so i ignore that...&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5801"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>you definitely deserve lots of appreciation to put analysis from their real estate.</p>
<p>I do not preserve from extinction of american real estate,how ever this is a first time i took a shot to show metro behave otherwise vancouver is not depend on usa,but yeah by mistake you have abuse your source by saying,and you are the one who represent usa model to vancouver I have read you lots of time before.<br />freako said&#8230; <br />Don&#8217;t buy their spin, and don&#8217;t perpetuate it. </p>
<p>freako whats going on?</p>
<p>I still respect your hard work,so i ignore that&#8230;
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		<title>By: freako</title>
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		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Richard's link:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;He called this "another clear sign that the underlying Canadian economy had plenty of momentum before the credit squalls broke.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or maybe pre-approved buyers are panic buying. Do these talking heads go to Assinine Metaphor School or what?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5800"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">From Richard&#8217;s link:</p>
<p><b>He called this &#8220;another clear sign that the underlying Canadian economy had plenty of momentum before the credit squalls broke.</b></p>
<p>Or maybe pre-approved buyers are panic buying. Do these talking heads go to Assinine Metaphor School or what?
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know it's not friday, but still, &lt;a HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2uectv" REL="nofollow"&gt;vancouver is still number one&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5799"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">i know it&#8217;s not friday, but still, <a HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2uectv" REL="nofollow">vancouver is still number one</a>
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		<title>By: freako</title>
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		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To give you an idea of what a joke the NAR's numbers are:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;San Francisco's median is up 7.6% despite all the foreclosures. Good news? No, not at all. It just indicates that the homes that do sell  are biased towards high end. Case-Shiller had SF down 3.4% yoy in May. So what is it? Up 7.6% or down 3.4%. Big big difference. Which is the true one? Case-Shiller of course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The funny thing is that once the sales mix returns to normal, the NAR calculated median will implode double digits. That can happen in q3, but more likely q4. It may help that mortgage originators are balking at jumbo loans that are essential for high end transactions.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any body want to take a shot at what the spin will sound like once medians are down 15% yoy?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5798"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">To give you an idea of what a joke the NAR&#8217;s numbers are:</p>
<p>San Francisco&#8217;s median is up 7.6% despite all the foreclosures. Good news? No, not at all. It just indicates that the homes that do sell  are biased towards high end. Case-Shiller had SF down 3.4% yoy in May. So what is it? Up 7.6% or down 3.4%. Big big difference. Which is the true one? Case-Shiller of course.</p>
<p>The funny thing is that once the sales mix returns to normal, the NAR calculated median will implode double digits. That can happen in q3, but more likely q4. It may help that mortgage originators are balking at jumbo loans that are essential for high end transactions.</p>
<p>Any body want to take a shot at what the spin will sound like once medians are down 15% yoy?
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		<title>By: blueskies</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>freako:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  great rant of the Kunstlerian genre&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;...keep their feet to the fire!&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5797"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>  great rant of the Kunstlerian genre</p>
<p>&#8230;keep their feet to the fire!
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		<title>By: freako</title>
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		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;prices are firm or up in metropolitan states in usa.thats what i was talking about metro vancouver from sept, 2007.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No they are not. The aggregate was down. Quality adjusted is down. And it is just getting started. Don't buy their spin, and don't perpetuate it.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5796"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><b>prices are firm or up in metropolitan states in usa.thats what i was talking about metro vancouver from sept, 2007.</b></p>
<p>No they are not. The aggregate was down. Quality adjusted is down. And it is just getting started. Don&#8217;t buy their spin, and don&#8217;t perpetuate it.
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		<title>By: freako</title>
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		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ok, so the NAR q2 numbers are out, and as expected they are perpetuating their usual fraud on the public.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Median prices were up yoy in 97 out of 150 metro areas. That of course means that 53 out of 150 had declining prices.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here is how Lereah's replacement spun it: &lt;b&gt;Although home prices are relatively flat, more metro areas are showing price gains with general improvement since bottoming-out in the fourth quarter of 2006,&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What he of course knows but fails to mention, is that the median is horribly skewed due to the collapse of the low end. Apples for apples measures such as Case-Shiller are clearly yoy negative.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And buried deeper in the report we get this:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;The national median existing single-family home price was $223,800 in the second quarter, down 1.5 percent from the second quarter of 2006 when the median price was $227,100. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What do you know, the aggregate median is down. But they chose to highlight the 97 out of 150 are up.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And then the spinner in chief (the president) buts in with:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Unlike stocks, where significant equity can vaporize overnight, there is little volatility in home prices, and most homeowners are experiencing very healthy long-term gains,â€ she said. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh you forget about leverage and foreclosure, Lady Huckster. WTF does "healthy long term" gains do for some chump who is in over his head? Especially since your own boy Lerah spun and mislead all the way.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;The costs of construction trends up from one year to the next, so even in areas that experience price declines, owners who maintain their property generally retain most of the equity that has built-up in their homes over time.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shut the f*ck up. Did they do a round table brainstorm for pathetic non sequiturs?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;While local conditions vary greatly, a typical owner who bought six years ago is seeing a 45 percent increase in the value of their home.  Even so, it isnâ€™t valid to directly compare homeownership with stocks.  Although a home is normally a long-term appreciating asset, it is primarily shelter â€“ most owners sell when their needs change, not when the market turns,&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh pleeeze. Clearly contrived talking points designed to counter anticipated criticisms. What a bunch of desperate excuses. I have never had much good to say about the NAR, but this time these assclowns are spinning one deception too many. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;An analysis of all available data over the past six years shows almost every market experienced price gains from the second quarter of 2001 to the second quarter of this year.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what? I am sure Nasdaq did great between 1997 and 2000. It is the future that matters you pathetic clowns.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5795"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Ok, so the NAR q2 numbers are out, and as expected they are perpetuating their usual fraud on the public.</p>
<p>Median prices were up yoy in 97 out of 150 metro areas. That of course means that 53 out of 150 had declining prices.</p>
<p>Here is how Lereah&#8217;s replacement spun it: <b>Although home prices are relatively flat, more metro areas are showing price gains with general improvement since bottoming-out in the fourth quarter of 2006,</b></p>
<p>What he of course knows but fails to mention, is that the median is horribly skewed due to the collapse of the low end. Apples for apples measures such as Case-Shiller are clearly yoy negative.</p>
<p>And buried deeper in the report we get this:</p>
<p><b>The national median existing single-family home price was $223,800 in the second quarter, down 1.5 percent from the second quarter of 2006 when the median price was $227,100. </b></p>
<p>What do you know, the aggregate median is down. But they chose to highlight the 97 out of 150 are up.</p>
<p>And then the spinner in chief (the president) buts in with:</p>
<p><b>Unlike stocks, where significant equity can vaporize overnight, there is little volatility in home prices, and most homeowners are experiencing very healthy long-term gains,â€ she said. </b></p>
<p>Oh you forget about leverage and foreclosure, Lady Huckster. WTF does &#8220;healthy long term&#8221; gains do for some chump who is in over his head? Especially since your own boy Lerah spun and mislead all the way.</p>
<p><b>The costs of construction trends up from one year to the next, so even in areas that experience price declines, owners who maintain their property generally retain most of the equity that has built-up in their homes over time.</b></p>
<p>Shut the f*ck up. Did they do a round table brainstorm for pathetic non sequiturs?</p>
<p><b>While local conditions vary greatly, a typical owner who bought six years ago is seeing a 45 percent increase in the value of their home.  Even so, it isnâ€™t valid to directly compare homeownership with stocks.  Although a home is normally a long-term appreciating asset, it is primarily shelter â€“ most owners sell when their needs change, not when the market turns,</b></p>
<p>Oh pleeeze. Clearly contrived talking points designed to counter anticipated criticisms. What a bunch of desperate excuses. I have never had much good to say about the NAR, but this time these assclowns are spinning one deception too many. </p>
<p><b>An analysis of all available data over the past six years shows almost every market experienced price gains from the second quarter of 2001 to the second quarter of this year.</b></p>
<p>So what? I am sure Nasdaq did great between 1997 and 2000. It is the future that matters you pathetic clowns.
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		<title>By: satv</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tony danza.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know even its hard to disagree with kaydee,but construction error what kaydee figure out are very similar to any other work place.most of time blind corners where even professional just assume that objects are placed accurately, and can not be judge without performance after completion.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;ot&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;prices are firm or up in metropolitan states in usa.thats what i was talking about metro vancouver from sept, 2007.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5794"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>I know even its hard to disagree with kaydee,but construction error what kaydee figure out are very similar to any other work place.most of time blind corners where even professional just assume that objects are placed accurately, and can not be judge without performance after completion.</p>
<p>ot</p>
<p>prices are firm or up in metropolitan states in usa.thats what i was talking about metro vancouver from sept, 2007.
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satv's not on the bong, didn't you see him railing against illegal drugs?  Something about the fear of getting shot forcing people to do drugs...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What he did do is waaay too much amyl nitrate, nothing else could kill brain cells that fast.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5793"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Satv&#8217;s not on the bong, didn&#8217;t you see him railing against illegal drugs?  Something about the fear of getting shot forcing people to do drugs&#8230;</p>
<p>What he did do is waaay too much amyl nitrate, nothing else could kill brain cells that fast.
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		<title>By: beta</title>
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		<dc:creator>beta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;there is a pretty big gap between the people you would want to have working, and the people you actually have to hire&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Good summary of the situation. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Same thing was happening in the boom years of '80/81. A lot of people were getting high on the job and sometimes ridiculous mistakes were made. At one site, I remember being teased a bit because I didn't smoke up with everyone else...not because I never indulged back in the day, but I didn't want to screw up the finishing work I was doing nor have an accident. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Productivity also suffered. I remember one large house where everyone cut hockey sticks, used a roll of black electrical tape for a puck, and played hockey for hours every day. Good times...&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5792"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><i>there is a pretty big gap between the people you would want to have working, and the people you actually have to hire</i></p>
<p>Good summary of the situation. </p>
<p>Same thing was happening in the boom years of &#8216;80/81. A lot of people were getting high on the job and sometimes ridiculous mistakes were made. At one site, I remember being teased a bit because I didn&#8217;t smoke up with everyone else&#8230;not because I never indulged back in the day, but I didn&#8217;t want to screw up the finishing work I was doing nor have an accident. </p>
<p>Productivity also suffered. I remember one large house where everyone cut hockey sticks, used a roll of black electrical tape for a puck, and played hockey for hours every day. Good times&#8230;
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		<title>By: Tony Danza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Danza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well kaydee I prefer to believe SATVs side of the story:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;i&gt;"I think there is no objection on quality of work, when assignment gets complete."&lt;/i&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What a clown. SATV, get off the bong man you're delusions of grandeur are scaring me.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5791"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Well kaydee I prefer to believe SATVs side of the story:</p>
<p> <i>&#8220;I think there is no objection on quality of work, when assignment gets complete.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>What a clown. SATV, get off the bong man you&#8217;re delusions of grandeur are scaring me.
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		<title>By: blueskies</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smoking weed on the job?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  does that mean the RAV tunnel is just one large bong?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-5790"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">smoking weed on the job?</p>
<p>  does that mean the RAV tunnel is just one large bong?
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