The worlds 6th most overpriced market!

Don’t let anyone tell you Vancouver isn’t special – According to this article in Forbes we’ve got the 6th most overpriced real estate in the world!

The rankings were compiled by calculating an effective annualized rate of return on a property based on annual cash flows derived from renting and adjusted for capital gains tax, transaction fees, operating costs and maintenance, appreciation and inflation. We then flipped the return rate to resemble the more familiar price-to-earnings (P/E) measure.

Representing North America in the world’s top 10 were Los Angeles (5th place at 26.88) and Vancouver (6th at 26.81).

Thats a .07 difference between us and LA, almost seems like a currency fluctation could switch up those places and give us the coveted title of MOST OVERPRICED real estate in North America!

And tell us Forbes, why does the relationship between rental yields and housing costs matter?

The relationship between rental yields and housing costs matters because a low rental yield is a good indication of a stretched market–one that has a bubble–since these markets are more likely to face downward price pressures or grow at a slower rate.

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freako
freako
13 years ago

I should mention that I have no beef with what side of the market people stand on, as long as it is based on sincere opinion, and debating in good faith. I truly abhor spin and intentionally deceptive arguments.Remember the joker on RETalks who argued like crazy for rising prices, and then suddenly posted that he had sold his last property and expected prices to come down. That is truly whacked.

freako
freako
13 years ago

I think he's made it clear that he understands the likelyhood of a correction and has decided to buy regardless. Why does that offend so much? Because at the exact same time he started coming up with shifty arguments why housing won't go down. When called on them he threw insults. Am I big enough to let that slide? Clearly not. A troll couldn't have written a snarkier reply to this relevant post than Jim.

the pope
the pope
13 years ago

Wow. seems to be a lot of anger right now, can we debate the topic without resorting to personal insults?Thanks Drachen for your sensible words of calm.I'm not sure why some of you are so testy with Jim, I think he's made it clear that he understands the likelyhood of a correction and has decided to buy regardless. Why does that offend so much? Of course if the market drops and he starts complaining then the gloves are off. 🙂

satv
satv
13 years ago

To do what exactly?2c fireworks……Why does anyone live in Alberta at all? 2 sleep nicely after 6pm.Because that's where the jobs are.thats why poor people move there to get rich quickly.A CUP OF COFFEE:that cost the company $1500.00 is yours for $1.17.profits those companies make in any other city are being dumped like garbage in alberta.

patriotz
patriotz
13 years ago

I beleive rich albertans are coming to VancouverTo do what exactly?Why does anyone live in Alberta at all? Because that's where the jobs are.Edmonton joins the endless list of cities to see an RE downturn without a general economic downturn (yet). Why? It's the fundamentals, stupid.

satv
satv
13 years ago

Edmonton:what they have in their city is west edmonton mall,where pirates of the caribbean ship is parked in side the mall otherwise this city has a dull future.Calgary:a small peace of downtown that can be crossed in less then 3 min.of drive otherwise this city is split in highway rather than blocks.after six p.m right turn become so scary because snow piled up on corners melt down on right turns lots of accidents from slipery surface can be seen often.more over the top this city is not! not! not!,strictly not for the pedstrians,and for the bike riders.people must have 4*4 pick up trucks even cars doesn't work there properly.I beleive rich albertans are coming to Vancouver,and poor are moving to saskatoon.poor from vancouver are moving to alberta to get trap in snow ice melt down.

Kaydee
Kaydee
13 years ago

jim said "I also bought a lovely home in Pt Grey and it is not cash flow positive either. Gasp!! "Hope it was an older home friend of mine who does a lot of bank appraisals mentioned Point Grey, said he couldn't believe the junk being built. Had to appraise high for the bank though; orders from headquarters!

HADENOUGH
HADENOUGH
13 years ago

Please take a look at this article on the House Hunt Victoria Blog. Thanks HHV.Closer to home, BC tops in RE prices, but income gains, not so much, despite record unemployment. BC's average income = $39,500 annually. Income growth gains are LOWEST IN ALL CANADIAN PROVINCES.

freako
freako
13 years ago

Fear? Looks like the nervous nellie worrying about his PG money pit is the fearful one. You second guess your decision and are trying to convince yourself by convincing others that you won't lose money. As evidenced by your snooty restaurant and cars comment. Totally flawed logic. We are comparing price to rent, not frowning on luxury items.

squidly77
squidly77
13 years ago

calgarys next

squidly77
squidly77
13 years ago

edmontons bustedtinyurl.com/36pjm3

Tony Danza
Tony Danza
13 years ago

Actually drachen if you are renting right now you are effectively selling high in the hopes of buying low. You can make money both ways.

Patiently Waiting
Patiently Waiting
13 years ago

What I'm afraid of:1) Inflation eating my savings2) Bail-out of FBs3) Worldwide economic depressionWhat I'm not afraid of is my housing situation. I found a decent place with acceptable rent. That's a lot better than risking my future on this insane real estate market. I'm positioned so that even if we have that worldwide economic depression, I'll do relatively well.

Drachen
Drachen
13 years ago

Hey hey everybody, let's be nice.I don't think the bears have any reason to get angry here because we are not the ones risking obscene amounts of money on a game that's rigged against us.If there is one immutable law of successful commerce it is this."Buy low, sell high."That is how to make money PERIOD. Fools who buy high don't deserve vitriol they deserve, at best, pity.

Tony Danza
Tony Danza
13 years ago

Yes Jim you do sense fear, fear that morons like you will plunge our economy into the abyss just as we see happening in the US today.

Tony Danza
Tony Danza
13 years ago

satv I know you are not a realtor, you are not intelligent enough to be a member of that "profession", what I said is you are a realtwhore. Do you know what a whore is satv, I bet you do…PS I never called you a tax "scamer" either but I bet you are one of those as well.

grant
grant
13 years ago

Jim since you're so smug about buying a non-cashflow-positive property, I can sell you a few more money-losers that ought to tickle you pink with pleasure.

satv
satv
13 years ago

tony,when some one got positive review of the market and our city since 11 year you call them realtor, x realtor,and tax scamers.we are not here to benefit the market,but yeah to follow the right direction, so we should not become fool based on false information,and I will countinue to cheeeeeer up as we are living in the city that make us cheer leaders not us alone but this whole modern world.

beta
beta
13 years ago

Sounds like some people are fearful on this blog.LOL, yah, that's it.

Jim
Jim
13 years ago

Whoah! The root of all anger is fear. Sounds like some people are fearful on this blog."We are very aware that you bought, because ever since you've been a whiny b*tch."Youser!-shouldn't a sold in "03, hey Freako?

Streel
Streel
13 years ago

"you've been a whiny b*tch. "Ha!looks like little jimmy thin skin will soon be running out of blogs to whine on……….

Tony Danza
Tony Danza
13 years ago

Something tells me that RealtWhores like Jim and satv will be first in line begging the government for a bailout when this rocket returns to earth.

freako
freako
13 years ago

Oh and Jim, in this case they aren't talking about the most expensive homes in absolute terms. They are talking about most expensive in terms of P/E. Totally different than your contrived examples.

freako
freako
13 years ago

I also bought a lovely home in Pt Grey and it is not cash flow positive either. Gasp!! We are very aware that you bought, because ever since you've been a whiny b*tch.

freako
freako
13 years ago

The free market (i.e. individual landlord) rents suggest higher rent than officially reported, but still don't justify current Vancouver prices.Well, what is the study based on? Any study worth its salt would look at apples the apples – rent versus price of specific building. Using aggregates, median rents divided by median prices for example, can yield very wonky results. Reading the first paragraphs it looks like it is apples to apples, though I don't quite understand what "adjusted for appreciation and inflation" entails. Another flaw is that cost of managing a rental is different in different areas, which means the net rental yield also differs in different cities. If you read the first paragraph, they seem to have taken than into account. "The rankings were compiled by calculating an effective annualized rate of return on a property based on annual… Read more »