friday free for all!
Its Friday here and that means open-topic time with a cornucopia of links:
-Vancouver the most overtaxed place for business
-Hydro rates to jump 11% over 3 years
-”What is ordinary may change in the future“
-Another round of layoffs at Canfor.
-Canadian productivity growth at ‘depressing levels‘
-US Economic woes bode ill for Canada
-CMHC predicts higher prices in 2008
-US Credit rapidly drying up
What are you seeing out there? Post your news, links and anecdotes here!
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November 29th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
Where are you mein Pontiff?
I’ll get to the links later.
November 29th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Any chance we can nominate for the turd of the year award?
If so I would like to nominate:
Rob/Satv/and Aaron Newsflash
November 29th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn’t belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?
Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
Did you guess which thing just doesn’t belong?
If you guessed this one is not like the others,
Then you’re absolutely…right!
November 30th, 2007 at 7:55 am
ooh, the highest RATIO of biz to residential! so either biz is high, or residential is low
doesn’t mean they have the highest business taxes. It would appear that Regina does.
November 30th, 2007 at 9:09 am
Wow the 15 year sidebar stats in the “What is ordinary…” article are very interesting.
We gained 100,000 people since 1991 and built 69000 units which with an average household size of 2.2 should have been more than enough.
I also noticed that at least some of the unoccuppied suites stats are from 2001 which was well before speculation was a gleam in Vancouver’s eye.
All that being said. What the hell is going on? I mean it’s obvious there is something going on. Best theory right now is speculation. Rampant crazy insanse speculation.
November 30th, 2007 at 9:37 am
11% hydro rate jump over 3 years seem pretty low. I guess the big dollar helps a lot. If only oil & gasoline can be pegged at this rate.
November 30th, 2007 at 11:42 am
As they say, it’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. Better than fine! Homeownership here we come!
November 30th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Rentingsucks.
Vancouver is speculation.
It goes all the way back to the beginning of Vancouver history and has continued consistently through to today.
Two quick examples.
Stanley Park was set aside so the development in the West End could become an upscale neighborhood without squatters and homesteaders building next door. This was pushed by developers and not citizen for a greener vancouver.
The British properties and lions gate bridge were purchased and built by the guinness beer family. They needed a bridge to capitalize on their development so they built it.
I think real-estate speculation is in Vancouver’s DNA.
Global views on real-estate may have popularized this view recently but it’s always been here.
I think the difference may be in how many more people are playing the game of speculation across the board.
November 30th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Ha ha Too funny. Was just sitting at my desk working on the computer. We had a guy come in to measure the windows for new blinds. He pointed out my window at the Saphire ( Pender and Bute) he said “do you or anyone in here need a place to rent? I have a new condo in the Saphire for rent if your interested”
I think everyone and the window blind man are buying “investment” condos DT. The carnage is going to be bad.
November 30th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
“ I think everyone and the window blind man are buying “investment” condos DT. The carnage is going to be bad.â€
Yeap, this reminds of the last bust. My older brother’s best friend was riding high, playing Donald Trump to be.
Without warning the market turned and he got stuck with a couple of flips. He ended up loosing everything, including his house.
He went into a deep depression, and he stopped caring about his looks; and wouldn’t even brush his teeth,and ended up loosing all his teeth; eventually his wife left him.
He turned to booze and drugs, and finally got involved in crime, and going to jail.
He ended up being somebody’s bitch.
November 30th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
MUST READ….MISH
November 30th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
“I think everyone and the window blind man are buying “investment” condos DT. The carnage is going to be bad.”
Joseph Kennedy was prudent enough to cash out of the stock market before the 1929 crash, and he said one thing that tipped him that a crash was coming was when shoe shine boys were giving stock tips.
There have been a lot of anecdotes about individuals of relatively modest means like waiters that have scraped together enough to buy shoebox condos downtown for speculation. How representative this is, I do not know.
If things unfold as predicted, this is going to be really really ugly.
November 30th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
He turned to booze and drugs, and finally got involved in crime, and going to jail.
He ended up being somebody’s bitch.
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Maybe that’s something Satv would like.
November 30th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
“He turned to booze and drugs, and finally got involved in crime, and going to jail.
He ended up being somebody’s bitch.”
Funny story Tulip, though it sounds a bit apocryphal. Anyway, as things blow up, it would make a great public service announcement about the evils of speculation. I can just hear the voice over….”My name was SATV. I was going to make millions flipping condos….The market turned….I lost all my money, my wife left me, and now I am somebody’s toothless prison bitch….”
December 1st, 2007 at 12:37 am
important news from the uk
December 1st, 2007 at 8:59 am
Morning Clarke: Which part sounds
apocryphal?( hee hee)
And, I find this story interesting….
Looks like the finance minister disagrees with the RE bulls, she actually thinks the US economy can impact ours!
Taylor warned that a deteriorating U.S. economy, high Canadian dollar and volatile commodity prices pose serious risks to B.C.
The U.S. housing index is currently at its lowest level on record.
“At some point, what’s going on in the States will inevitably affect not just Canada, but British Columbia,” she said
December 1st, 2007 at 9:15 am
Satv, et all, Shame on you scum bags for contributing to the problem, and gloating.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:44 am
aha good joke,
joke number 2 is even window guys waiters are buying while bears are on usual habits”complain,fear,sky is falling while prices are rocketing.
I am not a fliper,but busy this time specially some info in short time for tony sorry can’t reach on back page on time so here in friday free for all for “financing”
Tony,
Financing for development is similar to buying mortgage for individuals.
Main concern for bank is:your source to pay back the loan payments.
I can not right down 100 pages but some q tips.-Loan-to-value-Loan-to-cost-Hard costs-Soft costs
Important:Even buyers credit is being checked so if single buyer buying multiple units in one projects and have a bad credit history,most likely developer will have hard time borrowing.other hand if all buyers for the project hold single unit that is a plus point but still depend on their credit history.
What should you account in your construction budget that you might not normally think of?
Two things come to mind right away: 1) Interest Reserve and 2)Contingency Reserve.
Interest Reserve: This is considered a cost of the project. The construction loan is usually established as an interest only loan for the construction period and only requires amortization once the units are sold. The interest reserve should be accounted for in the budget as part of the total costs. Look at it this way: it might take you 12 months to complete the building and start selling units, but how are you going to pay the monthly interest expense required by the construction loan?
Contingency: The proposed budget should include a certain amount of contingency reserve for cost changes during the construction process.if you got sort of idea until here.
In elyse case when ever they have had plan for development till the sales took place was hard to think of construction cost screwing up in future,hard to find labours or workers.
as developer understand the requirements in this case they can’t even think of to propose for financing,nor they have any plan to play with buyers emotion and their company’s reputation can’t even deal with court battle tonz of thing shut off was better option than anything else.
“It’s a financing issue. It’s a scheduling issue. And it’s a labour issue,” he said. “I refuse to put my investors in harm’s way — we’re selling the site.”
December 1st, 2007 at 11:26 am
You guys are pretty ridiculous. I find the most amusing thing on this board is that it is the same 5 people talking to each other…
December 1st, 2007 at 11:37 am
anymouse, if you don’t like it than why are you here?
December 1st, 2007 at 12:07 pm
anonymous
Not True….I visit on a regular basis to find some real gems. This morning, it was the article posted by Michael R from the Independent…a few selective quotes: “buy-to-let (read as: speculation) are particularly vunerable” and home prices at historically high nine times income levels…..sounds a lot like Vancouver.
But as I said in a previous thread…you have to wade through a lot of thumbsup horseshit to get to the these gems.
December 1st, 2007 at 1:46 pm
anonymous, You guys are pretty ridiculous. I find the most amusing thing on this board is that it is the same 5 people talking to each other…
you want ridiculously stupid? Check out: Rob, tqn, newflash, vanreal, and see if you can tell which one is the same, under different handles.
Can you tell which ones are realtors, and which ones are afraid, of the crash because they were worth nothing before the bubble and will be worth nothing again, after the bubble pops?
December 1st, 2007 at 2:36 pm
Satv:
You know the old saying: The game’s up when shoe shine boys/cab drivers are giving you tips.
I mean it’s true. At that point the wealthy (developers, banks) have collected their “bets” (multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars).
So then, the banks have a commitment from the lower classes to pay a set amount on a certain asset till the end of time.
The asset then loses value, till it’s worth oh… say half what the sucker paid for it.
Who comes out ahead?
Well the banks keep getting their mortgage payments, which are outrageously high.
the developer got his money, so he walks away ahead of the game.
However, the “investor” is left holding the bag. Yeah he’s got his condo….. but he paid twice as much as he can get for it now.
This leaves him with 2 choices:
1) Sell it at a loss and spend the rest of his life making up the difference.
2) Hanging on to it, which is basically selling his labour to the bank.
To put this another way: If those waiters and drapers are smarter then we are, why are the spending their lives serving food or measuring drapes?
I mean not to toot my own horn dude but I have a pretty respectable resume. My bank exec buddy has an even more impressive resume.
so joke number three is while window dressers and waiters are buying at the top of the market, my bank exec friend is saying “these people are going to get screwed”.
I think I’ll go with his advice. If I need to know whether to serve guests from the left or right, I’ll ask a waiter. If I need to know how to hang a window treatment, I’ll ask a draper.
December 1st, 2007 at 3:54 pm
http://tinyurl.com/2o23d9
“Britain’s largest bank said it is ‘nervous about how the housing bubble will unwind’. HSBC believes the Bank of England may have to lower interest rates far more aggressively than has been expected if Britain is to avoid a house prices crash.“
Nothing to see here, move along…
December 1st, 2007 at 4:04 pm
scullboy,
Many well paid professionals are so self-impressed that they think all their financial decisions are obviously brilliant. Including buying investment condos.
Some of the smartest people I ever met work with their hands or with customers. What about all the waiters and drapers who happily rent and never got caught up in the speculation fever?
December 1st, 2007 at 5:31 pm
j6p:
Those guys will come out ahead, relatively speaking. The point is when even the guys who really can’t afford to be playing the game are in, it’s time to sit out the coming crash.
Know what I mean?
December 1st, 2007 at 5:56 pm
one of my friend’s friend just bought a lake front 1br & den condo up in osoyoos for about $200k. The real estate agent told him he could rent out the suite in summer for $1000 a WEEK?! He said he could cover the $1000 mortgage/month in only a few months and still make like $8000 a year… Hmm…. he is a local, currently living in vancouver, a renter, average salary.
I wonder if that’s really true???
December 1st, 2007 at 7:35 pm
$200k x 20% (investment property, so no CMHC-loan) = $40k down, so he borrowed $160k. At 6.5% interest, mortgage payments are $1,083/month. Add $100/month strata and $75/month taxes (guesses – Osooyoos should be cheaper than Vancouver) and you get carrying cots of $1,257/month or ~$15,100/year.
Summer is 2 months there: June and July. Assuming he can rent it for $1k a week throughout the summer, that’s ~8 weeks, netting around $8k, paying for half the place. Plus, he can get some spring and fall time there for himself, when the lake is nice and cold and nobody is there.
There are no ski hills around there to speak of, so forget about winter revenue.
The place does NOT pay for itself.
December 1st, 2007 at 7:41 pm
scullboy,
I understand that point and agree with it. However, we’ll be amazed how many wealthy people will have finally been brought down once this bubble pops. The thing about us working stiffs is we can only lose so much.
December 1st, 2007 at 9:05 pm
The real estate agent told him he could
every word after that is suspect!
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 am
…er, I meant July and August for summer in Osooyoos. But my point still stands….
December 2nd, 2007 at 7:51 am
Newsflash/Aaron,
it’s not just in Phoenix
“We paid 516k in march 05, now if we had to sell we would get maybe 250-275k max.
We started looking for condo for our daughter, in Rancho Santa Margarita we found one 2+2 that was worth 375k few years back, our offer was accepted at 190k.”
And it isn’t over yet.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:29 am
Robsnumbers,
I don’t really like to talk about american real estate but half of the american cities are still doing better.As our vancouver is a metro vancouver again Vancouver is a place to be
all is not bad
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:53 am
Mercedez said…
You know the old saying: The game’s up when shoe shine boys/cab drivers are giving you tips.
Mercedez,
you are wrong,do you know”who must value the game one who lost or the one who won”
The answer is one who lost,people with degrees and diploma mostly feel proud them self and become loser,on other hand responsible people on the bottom line, they work more hard because they know there is no other option
do you know there is nothing wrong in job classification or occupation status, wrong is dare to think about it if you are familiar with team work.
A teacher can educate you to become a scientist but he/she him/her self can’t be there.
when it comes to settle up life people need to choose do they like to be responsible,do they want to develop them self or they just like to enjoy their life and become lazy in the system.
when it comes to buy housing what we need to look at is that if we are able to make a monthly payments.
finally there are all type of home owners but we got here is some pumped up story which tie us on narrow mind.
December 2nd, 2007 at 9:54 am
“ThumbsUp said…
Robsnumbers,
I don’t really like to talk about american real estate”
+++++++++
Rob, and I don’t want to get into a logically flawed and dishonest discussion with you.
I just wanted to tease your intellectually and emotionally crippled sidekick.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:02 am
Say, does anyone know how Aaron’s shack on King Albert in Coquitlam is doing?
I asked Squealer/Rob on his site this morning, but I doubt he’ll get back to me…
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:29 am
Snick be nice or you may get “invited out for coffee”
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:52 am
logically flawed and dishonest discussion with you.
rob,
is your so called bubble is logical argument?.
when did you last time see the bubble bust?
We started looking for condo for our daughter, in Rancho Santa Margarita we found one 2+2 that was worth 375k few years back, our offer was accepted at 190k.”
“And it isn’t over yet”.
than why are they buying for 190k.
Manage to pay monthly payment for term is more logical than spending your whole life looking for bubble.
People who are in they can proceed towards next step of life,lets say getting marry,raising family etc.etc.
If your so called bubble ever poped those people will be better off on their life than those who are waiting.
lets say expensive houses can be bought with money but you can not buy your age and family from the market.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 am
scullboy:
You missed the most likely scenario;
3: Forget the place, let it fall into arrears and the bank will seize it. Take the hit on his credit record and move on. Taxpayers (courtesy of CMHC) pick up the tab.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:09 am
Rob, we aren”t buying your bs.
Do what the other realtors do, advertise and mail some fridge magnets and writing pads.
The posters here know it’s a good idea to own a home,but we also know it’s a bad idea to buy one now.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:38 am
Anybody check this site out ever? Saw this referred to on the tube this morning…
http://www.luckycatrealestate.com/home
I simply love that trendy cartoon woman, picking up properties like pairs of Manolo Blahnik shoes.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pm
snick:
don’t you be dissing rob here..
even assuming that he is an amoral slackass is beyond the pale, a reference to a “snake in a suit” is not called for and betting that he is a “lying sack of sh!t” won’t wash here….
i trust you can be more ambiguous than that …..
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:25 pm
now that luckycat is interesting. In one way she is just another realtor, in another way she gives some good basic information for the newbie.
Smart marketing I think.
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:43 pm
Wow, getting realty information from luckycat is like getting diet information from McDonalds…
December 2nd, 2007 at 4:12 pm
well that is true, very light information, but for someone who doesn’t even know any real estate terms or definitions there is useful info there.
Not so much her predictions.
December 2nd, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Here’s one reason home values can and will fall…..from the Modesto Bee
“The housing slump has a silver lining for public agencies, which are finding a glut of private contractors looking for work and dropping their prices. And the competition equates to lower bids.â€
December 2nd, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Here’s one reason home values can and will fall…..from the Modesto Bee
And how exactly does falling contractor costs result in falling home values?
December 2nd, 2007 at 7:38 pm
REBGV
Detached
Week Ending Median Price
16-Nov-07 676,500
23-Nov-07 687,000
30-Nov-07 640,000
Attached
Week Ending Median Price
16-Nov-07 360,000
23-Nov-07 365,000
30-Nov-07 392,100
much more to come but the cut and paste from excel does not work for the entire spreadsheet.
soon I will have wayyy more info in 1 spot. For now here is a taste.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:27 pm
16-Nov-07 676,500
23-Nov-07 687,000
30-Nov-07 640,000
Are you alright!where did you hide 47k in one week?.
“”soon I will have wayyy more info in 1 spot. For now here is a taste”"
please take a chil pills before you start next time.Hey Vancouver
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 pm
Someone posted – We know it is good to own a home but we know it is bad to buy a home now.
What a load of B.S. – That is like saying you are predicting the future.
Freako and Rentah posted in Realestatetalks many years ago it was bad to own at that time and they were proven wrong.
Is it a good time to buy today – who knows? All i know is one thing – if you can afford it, there is never a bad time. Reason is, if you can afford it you will never sell it for a lower price.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:20 am
All i know is one thing – if you can afford it, there is never a bad time. Reason is, if you can afford it you will never sell it for a lower price.
Thanks for so clearly defining the limits of what you know.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:29 am
HSBC believes the Bank of England may have to lower interest rates far more aggressively than has been expected if Britain is to avoid a house prices crash
Yeah and how is that strategy working out in the USA? Central banks can do anything they want, the markets are not going to supply money for mortgages once they lose confidence in RE prices. And people aren’t going to buy either.
Forget the place, let it fall into arrears and the bank will seize it. Take the hit on his credit record and move on. Taxpayers (courtesy of CMHC) pick up the tab.
After you are forced into bankruptcy. In BC you are personally responsible for the loan balance. But if you didn’t own anything to start with, no sweat.
December 3rd, 2007 at 7:40 am
Reason is, if you can afford it you will never sell it for a lower price.
after paying off the 40 year mortgage his tombstone read:
he loved his house…. he had to.
December 3rd, 2007 at 8:49 am
tulip-mania2 quoted Taylor as saying, “At some point, what’s going on in the States will inevitably affect not just Canada, but British Columbia”.
Don’t you just illiteracy in high places? Or is Taylor a closet Western separatist who occasionally lets it slip that Canada and British Columbia are distinct entities?
Fun aside, the rampant illiteracy in high places makes me nervous. It’s difficult to have confidence in such people.
“Yesterday I couldn’t even spell ‘government minister’ and today I are one!”
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:09 am
Don’t you just illiteracy in high places?
Don’t I just what?
And “illiteracy” doesn’t mean what you apparently think it means.
BTW, you’re late for the Hypocritical Pedants Convention.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:23 am
Umm to the especially ignorant Anonymous at 8:47
Aside from the previously mentioned lack of literacy in your use of the word, “illiteracy”, your statement is just plain wrong.
A factor may affect parts of Canada without affecting British Columbia. BC is not Canada and is not inherently influenced by things that influence other parts of Canada, is that so hard to understand? Are you saying that if it’s snowing in Canada it must be snowing in British Columbia?
“BTW, you’re late for the Hypocritical Pedants Convention.”
They wouldn’t let him in, too hypocritical and not pedantic enough.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:32 am
“Freako and Rentah posted in Realestatetalks many years ago it was bad to own at that time and they were proven wrong.”
Actually they probably were then (I don’t know the exact date you’re referring to) and certainly are now RIGHT. If you put your money into renting and a good investment portfolio you’ll be ahead of someone who buys Real Estate in Vancouver right now. Do your PEs for god’s sakes. Oh but I suppose you’re proposing indefinite 10%+ returns in the form of appreciation. Sorry to say (actually I’m not), but that’s economically impossible until someone invents a time machine.
“All i know is one thing – if you can afford it, there is never a bad time. Reason is, if you can afford it you will never sell it for a lower price.”
Mmmm Hmm… So which agency do YOU work for? If you bought around peak in the ’80s you’d have had to wait over 20 years to see equivalent prices. If you’d invested that money in almost any mutual fund or even government bonds you’d be ahead of the guy who bought in the ’80s and was selling today.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:38 am
“What a load of B.S. – That is like saying you are predicting the future.”
Ok, one more thing. Yes it’s impossible to predict what WILL happen in the future, but it’s not that hard to predict what will NOT happen in the future.
Prices CANNOT go up forever. There is a limited money supply.
Prices CANNOT stabilize. Once they do RE becomes a white elephant.
Ergo, prices must, at some time in the future fall to balance the books.
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:17 am
Prices CANNOT go up forever. There is a limited money supply.
what about land supply and desire to live where,there is not much room?
Drachen,
Buying a palce to live in the hottest city you love is equal to securing a shack for your self and for your family,Not from any sense is a bussiness.
for the rest of your argument you should have returned back to “black friday where “fun and mental”was waiting for you and re-diculous.Since you did not, I am going to bring him here.
fun and mental said…
drachen,
4% return is risk free. 8% isn’t
the equity in your home is not risk free. the roof over your head is (if it’s clear title)
apples to apples.
i wouldn’t compare opportunity cost of a clear title home to an 8% return on mutual funds, especially if i were giving advice to a friend. and we haven’t even factored in taxes on that 8% return.
my only point was that re-diculous tried to compare equity to opportunity cost without providing an alternative (comparible) bed to sleep in.
11/25/07 10:12 PM
December 3rd, 2007 at 11:33 am
Thumbs: Go to an actual ‘world class’ city and then tell me about ‘running out of space’. Have you actually looked at the amount of space there is in this city? Even right in near downtown, the amount of land for condo development is huge compared to cities with more history.
And take a look at the way the bubble has spilled over to valuations in small town BC where there is practically unlimited space.
‘Running out of land’ is trotted out by speculators during every property boom and is well worn out. It didn’t protect property values in any US boom/bust town. It didn’t save property values here the last couple of busts and it wont this time either.
Price is what you pay, value is what you get.
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Freako and Rentah posted in Realestatetalks many years ago it was bad to own at that time and they were proven wrong.
How is this relevant when average turnover rates for owning a home is around ten years or more. Expand your horizon to that length of time and they’re looking good right now.
December 3rd, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Thumby:
From now on, I’m not going to engage your fallacious arguments. I’m just going to point them out.
“Buying a palce to live in the hottest city you love is equal to securing a shack for your self and for your family,Not from any sense is a bussiness.”
Fallacy: appeal to emotion.
December 3rd, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Freako and Rentah posted in Realestatetalks many years ago it was bad to own at that time and they were proven wrong.
Anon,
do you know?.it cost too much to buy something and cost nothing to say”bubble”"B”is a god for bears.
Rentha has left us anyway may be begging for pardon in calgary with his wife.
Vhb learnt his lesson with in one year so he is on the path of improvement.
Freako is neutral so just forgive him because if you can produce hard argument you are able to convince him.
December 3rd, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Fallacy: appeal to emotion.
wtf? I thought I understood the word fallacy, but I guess I don’t know the loosy-goosy meaning of it in Drachen’s world. I guess if you’re arrogant enough, you can redefine just about anything.
so drachy dude, i thought i would never agree with satv/thumby/thumbsup/whatever on anything, but i’m with him on this one.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:34 pm
Drachen was not defining what a fallacy is, but was instead identifying the specific fallacy in Thumbsup’s argument
December 4th, 2007 at 1:02 am
Drachen was not defining …
a good overview of fallacies, simply presented, without drachen’s usual arrogant sarcasm. i stand corrected. thank you.
where would drachen’s arguments fit?
Wow, getting realty information from luckycat is like getting diet information from McDonalds…
They wouldn’t let him in, too hypocritical and not pedantic enough.
I know there’s some big words in there but if you need help I can explain them to you. Do that, and come back here and tell me that things are fine down south and I’ll just write you off as hopelessly deluded.
Choose:
(a) just plain rude.
(b) ad hominem fallacy … under the guise of “i’m too busy to respond patiently or intelligently”
(c) just plain arrogant.
(d) all of the above.
Thought: Drachen, dragons don’t have to breathe fire.
December 4th, 2007 at 10:16 am
Actually Anonymous (if that IS your real name)
You would be 100% wrong on that. There are no fallacies where you say there are because I wasn’t attempting to make an argument, just an observation.
Stop trying to play clever, there are no clever bulls left.
December 5th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
if that IS your real name
oh, that was a good one!
Stop trying to play clever
see above, it’s not me playing that game.
there are no clever bulls left.
not a bull.
actually, i just think you’re exceptionally rude and somewhat arrogant. was trying to point that out, somewhat ineffectually. sorry, you missed the point.
December 5th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Thanks to all anon’s.
I was surprised, how can some one repeat same stuff in the next thread without answering in previous thread.those are sign to show cleverness than again switching over from the issue,clever twice..thanx anon’s keep up the good work.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Anon, well I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you havn’t been around for very long. Thumbsup/SATV/ whatever else he was calling himself in the in-between phase has been around here for months. He spews out barely intelligible gibberish about how things are set to go up forever, the market will never fall blah blah blah. He never provides any factual information except for the occasional snippet from a pumper article or a bit of data showing how YOY prices are up in whatever place.
His comments are not worth the bits they’re written in, he’s annoying, illiterate and seemingly incapable of forms of logic normally associated with higher primates. Yet in spite of all that he maintains a superior air and a complete conviction of his own infallibility. Now you tell me, is that someone worth treating with respect?
December 5th, 2007 at 2:30 pm
Anon, well I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you havn’t been around for very long.
i’ve been on VHB, chipman’s blog and this blog and, more recently, enjoyed solipsist’s posts on his blog (is it still around)?
satv/thumbsup is annoying for sure! whatever his motives, he’s incurable. i don’t think it matters to him what he says or what we think of him … it’s just a game in his world.
but so are you (annoying) from time to time. do you restrict your rude comments to satv?
and i’m a pain in the butt when i set my mind to it. must have got up on the wrong side of bed yesterday. i’ll stop being a pain in the butt, effective immediately.
regarding “is that someone worth treating with respect”, i think the philosophical and judeochristian answer is “treat everyone with respect” … but obviously i’m not very good at it ;-[