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		<title>By: krrish</title>
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		<dc:creator>krrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: VanCon</title>
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		<dc:creator>VanCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wha?? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-8333&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: freako</title>
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		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 40 term in itself is not a big deal. All else the same, a buyer could invest the &quot;savings&quot; in equities or whatever. The problem happens when prices go up in response. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-8000&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 40 term in itself is not a big deal. All else the same, a buyer could invest the &quot;savings&quot; in equities or whatever. The problem happens when prices go up in response.
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		<title>By: freako</title>
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		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;The difference in monthly payments between 40 year and longer amortizations (including interest-only, which is infinite) is very small &lt;/b&gt;That is exactly the thing. Going from one extreme (25 year) to the other (interest only) only lowers the payments by 20%. And that is a one time shot that gets eaten up in a year and change juding by recent appreciation.When you buy a place with 25% down, you are paying 80% interest to start. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-7999&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The difference in monthly payments between 40 year and longer amortizations (including interest-only, which is infinite) is very small </b>That is exactly the thing. Going from one extreme (25 year) to the other (interest only) only lowers the payments by 20%. And that is a one time shot that gets eaten up in a year and change juding by recent appreciation.When you buy a place with 25% down, you are paying 80% interest to start.
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		<title>By: e</title>
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		<dc:creator>e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>40 year mortgage is crazy.Assuming they can buy a $400k property (cheap townhouse somewhere?), it will cost $1725/mo in mortgage, and $350/mo in property tax/maintennace.Assuming same thing can rent for $1400/mo.That means every year, if they save the money saved by renting ($2075-1400), they will save $8100/year. Over 40 years compounded at a reasonable 7%, that means at the end of the 40 years, they will have 1.6M$. That house better be worth more than 1.6M in 40 years.If they invest in an index market fund which is 12% avg over its history (i.e. DOW), then that house better be worth over $6.2M after 40 years. The house has to go up 7% each and every year for 40 years in order to reach that level (break-even). &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-7998&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>40 year mortgage is crazy.Assuming they can buy a $400k property (cheap townhouse somewhere?), it will cost $1725/mo in mortgage, and $350/mo in property tax/maintennace.Assuming same thing can rent for $1400/mo.That means every year, if they save the money saved by renting ($2075-1400), they will save $8100/year. Over 40 years compounded at a reasonable 7%, that means at the end of the 40 years, they will have 1.6M$. That house better be worth more than 1.6M in 40 years.If they invest in an index market fund which is 12% avg over its history (i.e. DOW), then that house better be worth over $6.2M after 40 years. The house has to go up 7% each and every year for 40 years in order to reach that level (break-even).
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In Spain they have 100-year amortizations. Don&#039;t think it couldn&#039;t happen here.&lt;/i&gt;The difference in monthly payments between 40 year and longer amortizations (including interest-only, which is infinite) is very small - no more than 1/10 of the monthly payment at 6%. It doesn&#039;t raise the bar much.With a 40 year term and 6% interest, it takes &lt;b&gt;12 years&lt;/b&gt; just to pay off the first 1/10 of the mortgage balance. And God help the buyer if interest rates go up when it&#039;s time to renew after 5 years or whatever. This means that first-time buyers will not have the resources to trade up for a very long time. Any market where 40 year (or longer) term becomes the norm is headed for long term decline.Like Japan, you know? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-7997&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In Spain they have 100-year amortizations. Don&#039;t think it couldn&#039;t happen here.</i>The difference in monthly payments between 40 year and longer amortizations (including interest-only, which is infinite) is very small &#8211; no more than 1/10 of the monthly payment at 6%. It doesn&#039;t raise the bar much.With a 40 year term and 6% interest, it takes <b>12 years</b> just to pay off the first 1/10 of the mortgage balance. And God help the buyer if interest rates go up when it&#039;s time to renew after 5 years or whatever. This means that first-time buyers will not have the resources to trade up for a very long time. Any market where 40 year (or longer) term becomes the norm is headed for long term decline.Like Japan, you know?
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		<title>By: Ulsterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulsterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what i don&#039;t get about Vancouver being the &quot;Best Place on Earth&quot; is that 95% of people here don&#039;t do anything outdoorsy on a regular basis.I you don&#039;t golf, ski, mountain bike, play beach volley ball, or rollerblade the seawall why move here?It certainly isn&#039;t for the high-paid head office jobs or the diverse cultural scene.Maybe everyone just loves the rain and traffic... &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-7996&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what i don&#039;t get about Vancouver being the &quot;Best Place on Earth&quot; is that 95% of people here don&#039;t do anything outdoorsy on a regular basis.I you don&#039;t golf, ski, mountain bike, play beach volley ball, or rollerblade the seawall why move here?It certainly isn&#039;t for the high-paid head office jobs or the diverse cultural scene.Maybe everyone just loves the rain and traffic&#8230;
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		<title>By: wizardofozziejurock</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizardofozziejurock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The percentage of first-time buyers going with 40-year mortgages is astounding. It&#039;s Canada&#039;s own version of the subprime market. Politicians, bureacrats, media (for the most part) just want to ignore it and feel all smug whilst the US housing market tanks. It&#039;s like watching an accident in slow motion. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-7995&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The percentage of first-time buyers going with 40-year mortgages is astounding. It&#039;s Canada&#039;s own version of the subprime market. Politicians, bureacrats, media (for the most part) just want to ignore it and feel all smug whilst the US housing market tanks. It&#039;s like watching an accident in slow motion.
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		<title>By: Swirlyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swirlyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever it takes to get people to scrounge up a monthly payment.  In Spain they have 100-year amortizations.  Don&#039;t think it couldn&#039;t happen here.  (You probably have to have children for the bank to give you one of those, though.) &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-7994&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever it takes to get people to scrounge up a monthly payment.  In Spain they have 100-year amortizations.  Don&#039;t think it couldn&#039;t happen here.  (You probably have to have children for the bank to give you one of those, though.)
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		<title>By: ThumbsUp</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThumbsUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sophia,I have explained that earlier price to rent or buy can be fixed by floors,view,amenities,utilities,unfurnished or full furnished etc.Sophia,it&#039;s!okbecause starata man did not find a detail on phone so just forgive him to confuse us.Drachen,those folks are doing something even today which you should have done that long ago.Our own home is a wonderful place on this earth.Again who ever can afford monthly payment for term,Drachen.It&#039;s!Ok.seen that article about Age 25,30 this time it&#039;s not me but statistic Canada drachen.It&#039;s!OK &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-7993&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophia,I have explained that earlier price to rent or buy can be fixed by floors,view,amenities,utilities,unfurnished or full furnished etc.Sophia,it&#039;s!okbecause starata man did not find a detail on phone so just forgive him to confuse us.Drachen,those folks are doing something even today which you should have done that long ago.Our own home is a wonderful place on this earth.Again who ever can afford monthly payment for term,Drachen.It&#039;s!Ok.seen that article about Age 25,30 this time it&#039;s not me but statistic Canada drachen.It&#039;s!OK
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