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freako
freako
12 years ago

freako,,,wow you are just full of logic today aren't you?Nah, I just like to perforate tinfoil.

Strataman
Strataman
12 years ago

wg2c "and you knew some atheists that you think are moral." so besides hate what else can you do some ateists who you THINK are moral? All atheists are moral excepth the mentally retarded, which by the way would include all so called believers, who for the the most part are moral with the exception of the mentally retarded.

Drachen
Drachen
12 years ago

I hate to break it to you M.R. but if paper money ever becomes worthless you'll be kicking yourself for investing in gold rather than in a fortress with lots of guns and ammunition.

Michael Randallbard
Michael Randallbard
12 years ago

freako,,,wow you are just full of logic today aren't you?When paper money is long gone gold will still be here. Every ounce of gold ever mined on this planet is still here somewhere. Most houses built a hundred years ago in Vancouver are dust and rust.Ideally a homeowner would have his HOME paid for and 50% of that value hedged with precious metals.

Drachen
Drachen
12 years ago

Since you seem to have forgotten;"especially if religious systems have collapsed (which they mostly already have) and there are accordingly no moral reasons to be non-violent, because morality has ceased to exist."Implying that without religion people are incapable of being moral or non violent. I merely pointed out that religion has been a cornerstone behind more violence in the history of Man than anything else (with the debatable exception of wealth). Atheism, secularism, 'lack of religion', has been responsible for (to the best of my knowledge) exactly zero violence.I take offence when religious people adopt a (if you'll pardon the pun) 'holier than thou' attitude because they don't understand how someone can actually be moral without the wrath of God looming over their shoulder. To me this demonstrates that the failing is a lack of the ability to relate to… Read more »

wg2c
wg2c
12 years ago

As for the rest of the thread, what is going on? Doesn't Godwin's Law apply anymore?good point.

wg2c
wg2c
12 years ago

Wow you really don't want to go down the philosophy road with me. I'll go all Ayer on your ass.i prefer russell's popular philosophy to ayer at his best.i particularly like russell's essay "on being modern-minded", but 'nuff said about that.so how did this start? i think because you decided with your own free will to somehow be "offended" because i said something about small-r religion and you knew some atheists that you think are moral.my mother liked to complain a lot. i used to get annoyed with her until i understood that it was one of the few remaining pleasures she had in life.as for you, i wonder if you simply derive pleasure from being "offended" or from "not suffering fools gladly" or from "having a problem with" certain types of people, as you confessed in an earlier post.oh-kee-do-key.… Read more »

Strataman
Strataman
12 years ago

Hey wg2c!How yah doin fellow monkey? 🙂

freako
freako
12 years ago

But while I have lost on my gold and silver in the past 3 or 4 months on paper, I was lucky enough to buy in 2002 at much lower prices and so am up roughly 350% in USD terms so this is still a very healthy return.Well by that very same logic (hindsight) the real estate bulls who you deride are equally successful.As for the rest of the thread, what is going on? Doesn't Godwin's Law apply anymore?

Michael Randallbard
Michael Randallbard
12 years ago

I had friends back then that were Sons of Freedom and visited their homes in Trail and Aggasiz, most interesting but too young to understand all that stuff then.—————— Lets go back before Hitler and address this currency issue that I believe will result in gold going through the roof.Can this quoted excerpt happen here? ————————–""By July 1922, the German Mark fell to 300 marks for $1; in November it was at 9,000 to $1; by January 1923 it was at 49,000 to $1; by July 1923, it was at 1,100,000 to $1. It reached 2! 5 trillion marks to $1 in mid-November 1923, varying from city to city. So the printing presses ran, and once they began to run, they were hard to stop. The price increases began to be dizzying. Menus in cafes could not be revised quickly… Read more »

Drachen
Drachen
12 years ago

wg2c:Wow you really don't want to go down the philosophy road with me. I'll go all Ayer on your ass.Do you want me to offer proof that Religion is inherently immoral? I'd be happy to do so but I normally don't bother because anyone who actually follows the logic and accepts it already knows the truth, those that don't will refute it under any circumstances.asalvari:Adherence to a moral or ethical code does not require faith or ardor. Therefore #4 is out too.

wg2c
wg2c
12 years ago

m-r, regarding "Hitler, another great 'Man of peace' was a devout Catholic and strict vegetarian."truly, hitler epitomized evil. but when someone labels themselves as something, does that make it so? so if a modern-day hitler said "hey man, i'm a devout catholic", would you really believe him? hey, if a realtor says the RE market's going up, does that make it so? :-)since we're on the topic of hitler and his Religion, let's talk about dietrich bonhoeffer, effectively a hero of the Christian faith for possibly being the only high profile german theologian who refused to adapt his theology to the nazi vision of things. he was outspoken and his writings are studied even today, by sincere and committed theological students of many denominations. having opposed hitler since he came to power in the early 1930s, bonhoeffer was finally hanged… Read more »

asalvari
asalvari
12 years ago

Blogger wg2c said…WOW, you really get excited about the religion… good read anyways..I quickly check the Webster and to my BIG surprise I found the following definition of "religion"1 a: the state of a religious b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faithnumber 4 really surprised me.. and it really fits to the way you use "religion" I hope that you understand that most of the people never use "religion" to refer to belief system (at least I never use)

Michael Randallbard
Michael Randallbard
12 years ago

"I take offence at that Religion has never been a barricade to immoral behaviour and more often than not it's been an enabler""Hitler, another great "Man of peace" was a devout Catholic and strict vegetarian. He hated blood-sports so much, fox hunting was banned as soon as he came into power. Pope Pius XI supported Hitler which is why the Roman Catholic people of Germany voted Hitler into power. With him he brought the peaceful symbol of the Hindus, Sikhs and Freemasons. The Nazi cross."

Michael Randallbard
Michael Randallbard
12 years ago

its always the case that gold goes up against some currencies and down against others but whether or not the CAD goes to 1.50 the event I'm looking for is when gold detaches from all currencies and rises against all of them. But while I have lost on my gold and silver in the past 3 or 4 months on paper, I was lucky enough to buy in 2002 at much lower prices and so am up roughly 350% in USD terms so this is still a very healthy return, and I don't need to put it on the market with a realtor and sit and watch it not sell for years. I can sell it in 1 minute should I choose to and there is ALWAYS a buyer. ALWAYS

wg2c
wg2c
12 years ago

Morality is generally absent from 100% of all religions. see above.crows … probably are somewhat more evolved due to the fact that they don't make war cause the other crow don't believe as they do! 🙂we should learn from the crows, for sure!!!

Michael Randallbard
Michael Randallbard
12 years ago

yes freako in the last few months since summer the CAD has outperformed gold. I meant to quote Sinclair who saus first 1050 then 1650 but doesn't give a time frame nor can anyone…"Fundamental Conclusions: 1. Gold is headed to $1050 and then onward to $1650. 2. The US dollar is headed to .7200 and will then continue its downtrend into the .6000s and the .5000s. 3. The cause can be found by a study of the Weimar experience. Drop the words “War Reparations” and replace them with “Credit and default derivative meltdown.” 4. There is no practical solution to the present credit problem and its effects. 5. There are many academic solutions to the credit problem but not one that will not backfire, making it a greater mess than it is. 6. Monetary inflation proceeds price inflation. Price inflation,… Read more »

wg2c
wg2c
12 years ago

I take offence at that Religion has never been a barricade to immoral behaviour and more often than not it's been an enabler. Atheists are some of the most moral people I know because they can decide for themselves what is right and wrong and don't have to follow what a book or a priest says.wow. you sure have a narrow view of religion, which you write with an upper case "R". you've personified "Religion" and made it the "Enemy".i think i'm having some difficulty with "Religion has never been a barricade" and "more often than not." do you have any sources for your claims of "never" and "more often than not"? do you have a degree in religious history? i thought you were a finance guy of sorts.shall we split hairs on definitions of religion? keep in mind that… Read more »

Strataman
Strataman
12 years ago

wg2c "especially if religious systems have collapsed (which they mostly already have) and there are accordingly no moral reasons to be non-violent, because morality has ceased to exist.Actually human primates evolved due to there ability to put the group befor individualism. Morality is generally absent from 100% of all religions. Other animals also have done so, such as crows who probably are somewhat more evolved due to the fact that they don't make war cause the other crow don't believe as they do! 🙂

Drachen
Drachen
12 years ago

wg2c:"especially if religious systems have collapsed (which they mostly already have) and there are accordingly no moral reasons to be non-violent, because morality has ceased to exist."I take offence at that Religion has never been a barricade to immoral behaviour and more often than not it's been an enabler. Atheists are some of the most moral people I know because they can decide for themselves what is right and wrong and don't have to follow what a book or a priest says.Dad hacks up his 14 year old daughter in TO for not wearing a hijab and I don't think anyone will argue that he wasn't religious enough.

Drachen
Drachen
12 years ago

M.R."Have I missed anything?"A whole lifetime of experience apparently but that's beside the point."By 2010 home prices in Vancouver will be down 50% from their 2007 highs."Well we agree on one thing. Otherwise, let's see. 'Straw Polls' are done with in the election cycle and won't happen again for another 4 years, are you saying he'll win the straw polls in 4 years or the ones he already did very poorly on a few months ago?Will RP be assassinated before or after he gets 12mil in 5 days? Either way it doesn't much matter and it wouldn't throw the country into chaos as most Americans are completely unaware of the man and he has zero chance of winning anything.So, no bets, no "I'll never post here any more if I'm wrong on some of these."Alcan must love you!

freako
freako
12 years ago

Gold is going to $1050 …The Canadian dollar will hit 1.50 by end 2008So you are saying that gold will be down in Canadian dollars? Good to know.

wg2c
wg2c
12 years ago

m-r asked "Have I missed anything?"It's a good start, but not nearly apocalyptic enough. I think you've left out the near-collapse of society as we know it. people who can't feed their children can get pretty ugly, especially if religious systems have collapsed (which they mostly already have) and there are accordingly no moral reasons to be non-violent, because morality has ceased to exist.at the present, times are good for many, but not all, and there's already evidence of social decay. it's going to get worse before it gets better.it's the natural, inevitable and necessary conclusion to the greedfest of the past few years: politicians, flippers, RE agents, builders … let's make an easy buck and who gives a gnat's ass about the consequences for our decaying city?—–thumbsup, There's no snow in Calgary. I was golfing in my short sleeved… Read more »

ThumbsUp
ThumbsUp
12 years ago

WG2C,Stop Shoveling Snow in Calgary, that barlow trail will never come to an end.So pick up your $100 suit case Right Away and get back to Vancouver.

wg2c
wg2c
12 years ago

tulip-mania 2, thank you for posting the fraser valley SFH prices. when will we see YoY declines?why was there no 'tick tock' on that post?