Comments on: friday free for all!

By: freako

freako — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:12:00 +0000

freako,,,wow you are just full of logic today aren't you?Nah, I just like to perforate tinfoil.

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By: Strataman

Strataman — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:25:00 +0000

wg2c "and you knew some atheists that you think are moral." so besides hate what else can you do some ateists who you THINK are moral? All atheists are moral excepth the mentally retarded, which by the way would include all so called believers, who for the the most part are moral with the exception of the mentally retarded.

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By: Drachen

Drachen — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:31:00 +0000

I hate to break it to you M.R. but if paper money ever becomes worthless you'll be kicking yourself for investing in gold rather than in a fortress with lots of guns and ammunition.

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By: Michael Randallbard

Michael Randallbard — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:47:00 +0000

freako,,,wow you are just full of logic today aren't you?When paper money is long gone gold will still be here. Every ounce of gold ever mined on this planet is still here somewhere. Most houses built a hundred years ago in Vancouver are dust and rust.Ideally a homeowner would have his HOME paid for and 50% of that value hedged with precious metals.

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By: Drachen

Drachen — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:14:00 +0000

Since you seem to have forgotten;"especially if religious systems have collapsed (which they mostly already have) and there are accordingly no moral reasons to be non-violent, because morality has ceased to exist."Implying that without religion people are incapable of being moral or non violent. I merely pointed out that religion has been a cornerstone behind more violence in the history of Man than anything else (with the debatable exception of wealth). Atheism, secularism, 'lack of religion', has been responsible for (to the best of my knowledge) exactly zero violence.I take offence when religious people adopt a (if you'll pardon the pun) 'holier than thou' attitude because they don't understand how someone can actually be moral without the wrath of God looming over their shoulder. To me this demonstrates that the failing is a lack of the ability to relate to people who are different from yourself that is typical of all religions, which in turn is a big factor in the amorality and violence in religious people.

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By: wg2c

wg2c — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:48:00 +0000

As for the rest of the thread, what is going on? Doesn't Godwin's Law apply anymore?good point.

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By: wg2c

wg2c — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:47:00 +0000

Wow you really don't want to go down the philosophy road with me. I'll go all Ayer on your ass.i prefer russell's popular philosophy to ayer at his best.i particularly like russell's essay "on being modern-minded", but 'nuff said about that.so how did this start? i think because you decided with your own free will to somehow be "offended" because i said something about small-r religion and you knew some atheists that you think are moral.my mother liked to complain a lot. i used to get annoyed with her until i understood that it was one of the few remaining pleasures she had in life.as for you, i wonder if you simply derive pleasure from being "offended" or from "not suffering fools gladly" or from "having a problem with" certain types of people, as you confessed in an earlier post.oh-kee-do-key. i'll keep that in mind for the next time!!

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By: Strataman

Strataman — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:35:00 +0000

Hey wg2c!How yah doin fellow monkey?

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By: freako

freako — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:14:00 +0000

But while I have lost on my gold and silver in the past 3 or 4 months on paper, I was lucky enough to buy in 2002 at much lower prices and so am up roughly 350% in USD terms so this is still a very healthy return.Well by that very same logic (hindsight) the real estate bulls who you deride are equally successful.As for the rest of the thread, what is going on? Doesn't Godwin's Law apply anymore?

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By: Michael Randallbard

Michael Randallbard — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:03:00 +0000

I had friends back then that were Sons of Freedom and visited their homes in Trail and Aggasiz, most interesting but too young to understand all that stuff then.—————— Lets go back before Hitler and address this currency issue that I believe will result in gold going through the roof.Can this quoted excerpt happen here? ————————–""By July 1922, the German Mark fell to 300 marks for $1; in November it was at 9,000 to $1; by January 1923 it was at 49,000 to $1; by July 1923, it was at 1,100,000 to $1. It reached 2! 5 trillion marks to $1 in mid-November 1923, varying from city to city. So the printing presses ran, and once they began to run, they were hard to stop. The price increases began to be dizzying. Menus in cafes could not be revised quickly enough. A student at Freiburg University ordered a cup of coffee at a cafe. The price on the menu was 5,000 Marks. He had two cups. When the bill came, it was for 14,000 Marks. "If you want to save money," he was told, "and you want two cups of coffee, you should order them both at the same time."The presses of the Reichsbank could not keep up though they ran through the night. Individual cities and states began to issue their own money. Dr. Havenstein, the president of the Reichsbank, did not get his new suit. A factory worker described payday, which was every day at 11:00 a.m.: "At 11:00 in the morning a siren sounded, and everybody gathered in the factory forecourt, where a five-ton lorry was drawn up loaded brimful with paper money. The chief cashier and his assistants climbed up on top. They read out names and just threw out bundles of notes. As soon as you had caught one you made a dash for the nearest shop and bought just anything that was going." Teachers, paid at 10:00 a.m., brought their money to the playground, where relatives took the bundles and hurried off with them. Banks closed at 11:00 a.m.; the harried clerks went on strike. â€œThe flight from currency that had begun with the buying of diamonds, gold, country houses, and antiques now extended to minor and almost useless items — bric-a-brac, soap, hairpins. The law-abiding country crumbled into petty thievery. Copper pipes and brass armatures weren't safe. Gasoline was siphoned from cars. People bought things they didn't need and used them to barter — a pair of shoes for a shirt, some crockery for coffee. Berlin had a "witches' Sabbath" atmosphere. Prostitutes of both sexes roamed the streets. Cocaine was the fashionable drug. In the cabarets the newly rich and their foreign friends could dance and spend money. Other reports noted that not all the young people had a bad time. Their parents had taught them to work and save, and that was clearly wrong, so they could spend money, enjoy themselves, and flout the old. The publisher Leopold Ullstein wrote: "People just didn't understand what was happening. All the economic theory they had been taught didn't provide for the phenomenon. There was a feeling of utter dependence on anonymous powers — almost as a primitive people believed in magic — that somebody must be in the know, and that this small group of 'somebodies' must be a conspiracy."When the 1,000-billion Mark note came out, few bothered to collect the change when they spent it. By November 1923, with one dollar equal to one trillion Marks, the breakdown was complete. The currency had lost meaning."

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