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		<title>By: Michael Randallbard</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/friday-free-for-all-7.html#comment-10319</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Randallbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nvgrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>nvgrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PHN is a reputable fund.  Might have to jump &quot;ships&quot;.
Interesting info.  Thanks!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10306&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PHN is a reputable fund.  Might have to jump &#8220;ships&#8221;.<br />
Interesting info.  Thanks!
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		<title>By: Asun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Down with mutual funds and high MER. :) ETF is the way to go. In fact, the short ETF has been a lot of fun the last couple months. You can check out SKF, SRS, FXP on US market.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10295&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Down with mutual funds and high MER. <img src='http://vancouvercondo.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ETF is the way to go. In fact, the short ETF has been a lot of fun the last couple months. You can check out SKF, SRS, FXP on US market.
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		<title>By: bdk</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/friday-free-for-all-7.html#comment-10293</link>
		<dc:creator>bdk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mohican I agree. They have an Overseas Equity fund and a U.S. fund which&#039;re pretty good, he could do 80% balanced, 10% overseas and 10% U.S. and then when the Canadian Market hits bottom switch some into the PHN Dividend income fund too.

Jay, If you are just starting with one single global fund, take a look a:
Mac Cundill Value Fund



Some sites worth using for research include:

www.morningstar.ca

www.globefund.ca

www.stockhouse.ca&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10293&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mohican I agree. They have an Overseas Equity fund and a U.S. fund which&#8217;re pretty good, he could do 80% balanced, 10% overseas and 10% U.S. and then when the Canadian Market hits bottom switch some into the PHN Dividend income fund too.</p>
<p>Jay, If you are just starting with one single global fund, take a look a:<br />
Mac Cundill Value Fund</p>
<p>Some sites worth using for research include:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.morningstar.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.morningstar.ca</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.globefund.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.globefund.ca</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.stockhouse.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.stockhouse.ca</a>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/friday-free-for-all-7.html#comment-10292</link>
		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mohican,

Any advice on &quot;good global funds&quot;.

-J&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10292&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mohican,</p>
<p>Any advice on &#8220;good global funds&#8221;.</p>
<p>-J
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		<title>By: mohican</title>
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		<dc:creator>mohican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TD has some good index fund offerings.  Their e-series has particularly low fees and they offer pre-constructed portfolios for people at different risk tolerance levels.

CIBC also has a low-fee balanced index fund.

The PH&amp;N fund is really good.  The only issue I see with that fund is the underexposure to global markets but one could shore that up with a couple good global funds.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10291&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TD has some good index fund offerings.  Their e-series has particularly low fees and they offer pre-constructed portfolios for people at different risk tolerance levels.</p>
<p>CIBC also has a low-fee balanced index fund.</p>
<p>The PH&amp;N fund is really good.  The only issue I see with that fund is the underexposure to global markets but one could shore that up with a couple good global funds.
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		<title>By: bdk</title>
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		<dc:creator>bdk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mold City, I was doing index funds too, but figured pPillips Hager North are the way to go. They have a Balanced fund which is a Morningstar Fund Pick and has an MER of .88 (versus 2% for comparable funds at RBC).
You need $25,000 to open an account with them, or you can pay a financial planner an extra .5% with $5,000 down.

Here&#039;s the opening paragraph from the morningstar.ca article

&quot;
Low costs and an excellent team of managers make this fund a top pick.

Even with the overabundance of balanced offerings, there are still only a handful of names that we would consider worthy of owning, and PH&amp;N Balanced is definitely one of them. With rock-bottom fees and an excellent management team that attempts to add value with all facets of the port&quot;

http://www.morningstar.ca/globalhome/quicktakes/fund_articles.asp?fundid=5580


The market is volatile so a balanced fund with really low fees and a consistent track record could be a good move right now.

There are other Vancouver Brokerages, which are highly rated with lower MER than the bank funds.

Leith Wheeler is another one, and another one that I wouldn&#039;t personally use but is very popular is Cannacord.

If you like real estate the Dynamic real estate fund is a good one. It has a 2.58% MER though.....&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10290&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mold City, I was doing index funds too, but figured pPillips Hager North are the way to go. They have a Balanced fund which is a Morningstar Fund Pick and has an MER of .88 (versus 2% for comparable funds at RBC).<br />
You need $25,000 to open an account with them, or you can pay a financial planner an extra .5% with $5,000 down.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the opening paragraph from the morningstar.ca article</p>
<p>&#8221;<br />
Low costs and an excellent team of managers make this fund a top pick.</p>
<p>Even with the overabundance of balanced offerings, there are still only a handful of names that we would consider worthy of owning, and PH&amp;N Balanced is definitely one of them. With rock-bottom fees and an excellent management team that attempts to add value with all facets of the port&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.morningstar.ca/globalhome/quicktakes/fund_articles.asp?fundid=5580" rel="nofollow">http://www.morningstar.ca/glob.....undid=5580</a></p>
<p>The market is volatile so a balanced fund with really low fees and a consistent track record could be a good move right now.</p>
<p>There are other Vancouver Brokerages, which are highly rated with lower MER than the bank funds.</p>
<p>Leith Wheeler is another one, and another one that I wouldn&#8217;t personally use but is very popular is Cannacord.</p>
<p>If you like real estate the Dynamic real estate fund is a good one. It has a 2.58% MER though&#8230;..
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		<title>By: Mold City</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mold City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;A much more alarming statistic is that it is at 1/3 of what it was in 1990.&lt;/b&gt;  

Damn! Is that true? Some of them must have had their networth thrashed in a crash like that.  Does Japan have an old age pension to support their older citizens?

What are people doing with their RRSP contributions this year? I have a feeling we&#039;re going to be in for a rough ride in the markets, so is it a good time to be buying equities or index funds?  I&#039;m paying too much for MER on mutual funds and trying to pay closer attention to this stuff, so I started a topic in the forum to ask for ideas on this: 

http://vancouvercondo.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=25&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10287&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>A much more alarming statistic is that it is at 1/3 of what it was in 1990.</b>  </p>
<p>Damn! Is that true? Some of them must have had their networth thrashed in a crash like that.  Does Japan have an old age pension to support their older citizens?</p>
<p>What are people doing with their RRSP contributions this year? I have a feeling we&#8217;re going to be in for a rough ride in the markets, so is it a good time to be buying equities or index funds?  I&#8217;m paying too much for MER on mutual funds and trying to pay closer attention to this stuff, so I started a topic in the forum to ask for ideas on this: </p>
<p><a href="http://vancouvercondo.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=25" rel="nofollow">http://vancouvercondo.info/for.....2&amp;t=25</a>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>patriotz: details on what 10% down meant was never specified. Listen for what it&#039;s worth; inklings of anything negative in the MSM, regardless of the exact number, is maveric IMO.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10286&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>patriotz: details on what 10% down meant was never specified. Listen for what it&#8217;s worth; inklings of anything negative in the <acronym title="Main Stream Media">MSM</acronym>, regardless of the exact number, is maveric <acronym title="In my opinion">IMO</acronym>.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/friday-free-for-all-7.html#comment-10285</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure. Nominal price is simply the price in dollars. Real price is this price adjusted for inflation to some base date. The consumer price index is almost always used for this (real = nominal/CPI). That&#039;s just a convention, there is nothing magical about CPI.

&lt;i&gt;Analysts (unnamed in the commentary) are apparently muttering of a 10% drop in Canadian prices this year.&lt;/i&gt;

What price? Median or average? It matters, because BC and Alberta RE is so expensive compared to the rest of the country. A correction to fundamentals in the West could drop the national average a lot all by itself.

But a 10% drop in the Canadian median would have to mean a significant drop in the non-bubble areas where most Canadians live.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10285&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure. Nominal price is simply the price in dollars. Real price is this price adjusted for inflation to some base date. The consumer price index is almost always used for this (real = nominal/CPI). That&#8217;s just a convention, there is nothing magical about CPI.</p>
<p><i>Analysts (unnamed in the commentary) are apparently muttering of a 10% drop in Canadian prices this year.</i></p>
<p>What price? Median or average? It matters, because BC and Alberta <acronym title="Real Estate">RE</acronym> is so expensive compared to the rest of the country. A correction to fundamentals in the West could drop the national average a lot all by itself.</p>
<p>But a 10% drop in the Canadian median would have to mean a significant drop in the non-bubble areas where most Canadians live.
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		<title>By: Not Mathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Mathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive the ignorant question, but can somebody please explain what the difference is between nominal and real prices?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10282&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive the ignorant question, but can somebody please explain what the difference is between nominal and real prices?
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bearish &lt;a href=&quot;http://cbc.ca/calgary/media/audio/biznet/20080215F18-COL.ram&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commentary&lt;/a&gt; (Real Audio file!!!) on CBC&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbc.ca/biznet/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Biznet&lt;/a&gt; this morning. Analysts (unnamed in the commentary) are apparently muttering of a 10% drop in Canadian prices this year. This is one of the first openly and extremely bearish predictions of future and imminent Canadian RE troubles.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10280&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bearish <a href="http://cbc.ca/calgary/media/audio/biznet/20080215F18-COL.ram" rel="nofollow">commentary</a> (Real Audio file!!!) on CBC&#8217;s <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/biznet/" rel="nofollow">Biznet</a> this morning. Analysts (unnamed in the commentary) are apparently muttering of a 10% drop in Canadian prices this year. This is one of the first openly and extremely bearish predictions of future and imminent Canadian <acronym title="Real Estate">RE</acronym> troubles.
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		<title>By: freako</title>
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		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Agreed for Vancouver. Other cities experience “core rot” meaning sprawl occurs in lieu of densification.&lt;b&gt;

Yes, the underlying assumption is population AND economic growth.

&lt;b&gt;If the Nikkei 225 is an adequate proxy for the Japanese economy, the fact that the Nikkei is at the same level now as it was in 1985&lt;/b&gt;

A much more alarming statistic is that it is at 1/3 of what it was in 1990.

&lt;b&gt;I read somewhere that Vancouver house prices only recently attained the peak value that they had in the early 80s? How long did it take for those prices to return to their bubble peak price anyways?&lt;/b&gt;

Real prices took 25 years almost to the day. That happened in 2006. Nominal prices, can&#039;t remember exactly, but much less, maybe 7 years. Don&#039;t forget that inflation was quite high then. Now it isn&#039;t. Nominal and real price drops are almost identical.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10278&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Agreed for Vancouver. Other cities experience “core rot” meaning sprawl occurs in lieu of densification.</b><b></p>
<p>Yes, the underlying assumption is population AND economic growth.</p>
<p></b><b>If the Nikkei 225 is an adequate proxy for the Japanese economy, the fact that the Nikkei is at the same level now as it was in 1985</b></p>
<p>A much more alarming statistic is that it is at 1/3 of what it was in 1990.</p>
<p><b>I read somewhere that Vancouver house prices only recently attained the peak value that they had in the early 80s? How long did it take for those prices to return to their bubble peak price anyways?</b></p>
<p>Real prices took 25 years almost to the day. That happened in 2006. Nominal prices, can&#8217;t remember exactly, but much less, maybe 7 years. Don&#8217;t forget that inflation was quite high then. Now it isn&#8217;t. Nominal and real price drops are almost identical.
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		<title>By: blueskies</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....and poster zero is just that!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10277&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.and poster zero is just that!
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		<title>By: krrish1</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/friday-free-for-all-7.html#comment-10276</link>
		<dc:creator>krrish1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Randallbard,
Micheal you can call it what ever but they will burn on slow pace and those are brand new so you can feel good unless their life come to an end.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10276&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Randallbard,<br />
Micheal you can call it what ever but they will burn on slow pace and those are brand new so you can feel good unless their life come to an end.
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		<title>By: krrish1</title>
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		<dc:creator>krrish1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evergreen,Andreas,

you guys are unbeatable again great sense of humor while your opponents are trying to put infuance by force.

Poster 1 does not know what is inflation and how does that work and with lack of math skill he forgot to put half of dozens zeros behind price plus he don&#039;t know average age of human life.

Poster 2 was a blind bear jump to support without reading the fact.

poster 3 is some what correct but absolutley wrong here.

Freako (as poster 4)is absolutely right so poster no 2 and 3 disappear and poster 1 never returned back to say sorry to evergreen,

Poster 5 Andreas is absolutely right because this is depend on buyers what does he/she keep in mind while buying a place for them self,our home is not a bussiness it is a place to live in the best desirable neighborhood.

Poster 6 is wrong because poster 5 is right.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10275&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evergreen,Andreas,</p>
<p>you guys are unbeatable again great sense of humor while your opponents are trying to put infuance by force.</p>
<p>Poster 1 does not know what is inflation and how does that work and with lack of math skill he forgot to put half of dozens zeros behind price plus he don&#8217;t know average age of human life.</p>
<p>Poster 2 was a blind bear jump to support without reading the fact.</p>
<p>poster 3 is some what correct but absolutley wrong here.</p>
<p>Freako (as poster 4)is absolutely right so poster no 2 and 3 disappear and poster 1 never returned back to say sorry to evergreen,</p>
<p>Poster 5 Andreas is absolutely right because this is depend on buyers what does he/she keep in mind while buying a place for them self,our home is not a bussiness it is a place to live in the best desirable neighborhood.</p>
<p>Poster 6 is wrong because poster 5 is right.
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		<title>By: Mold City</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/friday-free-for-all-7.html#comment-10274</link>
		<dc:creator>Mold City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From blueskies link above:

&lt;b&gt;If the Nikkei 225 is an adequate proxy for the Japanese economy, the fact that the Nikkei is at the same level now as it was in 1985 is telling evidence of the troubles that the Japanese economy has had to slog through. It&#039;s also a telling counter-example for advocates of a government-stimulus package to save the economy. Japan tried the Keynesian remedy last decade, which may have helped keep things ticking over but did not turn the slump around.&lt;/b&gt;

This reminded me of something - I likely have this wrong, but didn&#039;t I read somewhere that Vancouver house prices only recently attained the peak value that they had in the early 80s?  How long did it take for those prices to return to their bubble peak price anyways?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10274&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From blueskies link above:</p>
<p><b>If the Nikkei 225 is an adequate proxy for the Japanese economy, the fact that the Nikkei is at the same level now as it was in 1985 is telling evidence of the troubles that the Japanese economy has had to slog through. It&#8217;s also a telling counter-example for advocates of a government-stimulus package to save the economy. Japan tried the Keynesian remedy last decade, which may have helped keep things ticking over but did not turn the slump around.</b></p>
<p>This reminded me of something &#8211; I likely have this wrong, but didn&#8217;t I read somewhere that Vancouver house prices only recently attained the peak value that they had in the early 80s?  How long did it take for those prices to return to their bubble peak price anyways?
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/friday-free-for-all-7.html#comment-10273</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to carp too much... But those are some pretty definitive stats to come out with. Heck, what am I saying, stats that good stand up by themselves, certainly don&#039;t need a link or a source to give any cred. For example: 93.5% of real estate agents believe privately Vancouver is in a bubble and will crash soon. No link but you can tell from the precision of the number that I didn&#039;t just make that up.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10273&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to carp too much&#8230; But those are some pretty definitive stats to come out with. Heck, what am I saying, stats that good stand up by themselves, certainly don&#8217;t need a link or a source to give any cred. For example: 93.5% of real estate agents believe privately Vancouver is in a bubble and will crash soon. No link but you can tell from the precision of the number that I didn&#8217;t just make that up.
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		<title>By: blueskies</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting read on &lt;b&gt;credit deflation&lt;/b&gt;

http://tinyurl.com/25ckpr

&lt;i&gt;As the extent of the now-collapsed subprime bubble continues to be revealed, there have been an increasing number of comparisons to the pre-Great-Depression 1920s.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10270&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting read on <b>credit deflation</b></p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/25ckpr" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/25ckpr</a></p>
<p><i>As the extent of the now-collapsed subprime bubble continues to be revealed, there have been an increasing number of comparisons to the pre-Great-Depression 1920s.</i>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noticed you purposely left out the poor grades Vancouver got for housing affordability.  But...then again you never post anything negative.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10269&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noticed you purposely left out the poor grades Vancouver got for housing affordability.  But&#8230;then again you never post anything negative.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you view property as a place to live, you view it as an investment.

Specifically an income or &quot;value&quot; investment rather than a speculative or &quot;growth&quot; investment.

Ditto an investor who buys for cash flow.

Unfortunately in the popular lexicon &quot;investment&quot; has come to mean &quot;speculative investment&quot; only. I wonder how many people consider a GIC to be an investment (which of course it is).

Greater Fool Planet.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10264&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you view property as a place to live, you view it as an investment.</p>
<p>Specifically an income or &#8220;value&#8221; investment rather than a speculative or &#8220;growth&#8221; investment.</p>
<p>Ditto an investor who buys for cash flow.</p>
<p>Unfortunately in the popular lexicon &#8220;investment&#8221; has come to mean &#8220;speculative investment&#8221; only. I wonder how many people consider a GIC to be an investment (which of course it is).</p>
<p>Greater Fool Planet.
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t view property as an investment I view it as a place to live.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10260&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t view property as an investment I view it as a place to live.
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		<title>By: Michael Randallbard</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/friday-free-for-all-7.html#comment-10259</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Randallbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While scientists don’t like it, a Simon Fraser University marketing professor is praising an advertising brochure circulating overseas for condos at B.C.’s Whistler and Big White ski resorts that claims they are “global warming resistant.&quot;

Global warming resistant? What does that mean? Do you mean to say that overseas investors won&#039;t be able to buy a condo in Hongcouver and have it burn down with them in it? Drat!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10259&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While scientists don’t like it, a Simon Fraser University marketing professor is praising an advertising brochure circulating overseas for condos at B.C.’s Whistler and Big White ski resorts that claims they are “global warming resistant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Global warming resistant? What does that mean? Do you mean to say that overseas investors won&#8217;t be able to buy a condo in Hongcouver and have it burn down with them in it? Drat!
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/friday-free-for-all-7.html#comment-10258</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;&quot;Hence central low density should would be expected to appreciate faster than inflation.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Agreed for Vancouver. Other cities experience &quot;core rot&quot; meaning sprawl occurs in lieu of densification. Income stratification can also lead to faster appreciation in some areas (the location^3 adage).&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10258&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Hence central low density should would be expected to appreciate faster than inflation.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Agreed for Vancouver. Other cities experience &#8220;core rot&#8221; meaning sprawl occurs in lieu of densification. Income stratification can also lead to faster appreciation in some areas (the location^3 adage).
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		<title>By: evergreen</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/friday-free-for-all-7.html#comment-10257</link>
		<dc:creator>evergreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I assume you have an interest in disseminating misinformation...Don’t let vested interest people like evergreen tell you otherwise!&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The bulls have become a little more subtle and stealthy at disseminating the bs haven’t they?&lt;/i&gt;

Just because I voiced an opinion which you don’t agree with doesn’t make me a bull nor mean I have a vested interest in property or want to mislead people. 

We sure have different concepts of what it means to be bullish or bearish. For me, being a bull or bear refers to the time between now and maybe, the next few years. That’s the only meaningful way it’s used in financial circles. In my post, I only referred to a time 10-15 years from now. Even if I feel that property prices will be at a new high then (adjusted or unadjusted for inflation), logically I can still be bearish for the next few years. 

But, I have no idea where the present BC property market is headed in the next few years. If you have, good for you.

I don’t view property from a pure investment angle (value for money). Unlike stocks, bonds, currency, gold, a property has got investment cum other values. My main issue is that most of us have only about a 20 year time frame from our 20s to 40s to make that important decision to buy a house. So if you want or need to buy, why care about what might happen over 50 to 400 years especially if you can afford it?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10257&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I assume you have an interest in disseminating misinformation&#8230;Don’t let vested interest people like evergreen tell you otherwise!</i></p>
<p><i>The bulls have become a little more subtle and stealthy at disseminating the bs haven’t they?</i></p>
<p>Just because I voiced an opinion which you don’t agree with doesn’t make me a bull nor mean I have a vested interest in property or want to mislead people. </p>
<p>We sure have different concepts of what it means to be bullish or bearish. For me, being a bull or bear refers to the time between now and maybe, the next few years. That’s the only meaningful way it’s used in financial circles. In my post, I only referred to a time 10-15 years from now. Even if I feel that property prices will be at a new high then (adjusted or unadjusted for inflation), logically I can still be bearish for the next few years. </p>
<p>But, I have no idea where the present BC property market is headed in the next few years. If you have, good for you.</p>
<p>I don’t view property from a pure investment angle (value for money). Unlike stocks, bonds, currency, gold, a property has got investment cum other values. My main issue is that most of us have only about a 20 year time frame from our 20s to 40s to make that important decision to buy a house. So if you want or need to buy, why care about what might happen over 50 to 400 years especially if you can afford it?
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