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	<description>Bubble? What Bubble?</description>
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		<title>By: ex-vancouverite</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11120</link>
		<dc:creator>ex-vancouverite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from the Sun article...

&lt;i&gt;but look at your Vancouver friends and relatives over the last 40 years - 20 years - 10 years - even two years. We could not have had a more volatile market and yet had you bought, at any time, you would have outperformed all others.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, that does it.  Sign me up right now.  Imagine that; it wouldn't matter if you bought 40 years ago or two years ago - it's all the same.  Money in the bag. 

I'm so totally sold on that idea.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11120"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">from the Sun article&#8230;</p>
<p><i>but look at your Vancouver friends and relatives over the last 40 years - 20 years - 10 years - even two years. We could not have had a more volatile market and yet had you bought, at any time, you would have outperformed all others.</i></p>
<p>Well, that does it.  Sign me up right now.  Imagine that; it wouldn&#8217;t matter if you bought 40 years ago or two years ago - it&#8217;s all the same.  Money in the bag. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so totally sold on that idea.
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		<title>By: scullboy</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11119</link>
		<dc:creator>scullboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHAHAHAHA!

"Restricted", eh?

Here's the footer at the bottom of the article:

Ozzie Jurock is a Canadian real estate adviser and author of Forget About Location, Location, Location. He is featured in Donald Trump's latest book, Trump: The Best Real Estate Advice I Ever Received. Your can reach him by email at oz@jurock.com or at www.reag.ca.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good call Jade!&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11119"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">HAHAHAHAHAHA!</p>
<p>&#8220;Restricted&#8221;, eh?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the footer at the bottom of the article:</p>
<p>Ozzie Jurock is a Canadian real estate adviser and author of Forget About Location, Location, Location. He is featured in Donald Trump&#8217;s latest book, Trump: The Best Real Estate Advice I Ever Received. Your can reach him by email at <a href="mailto:oz@jurock.com">oz@jurock.com</a> or at <a href="http://www.reag.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.reag.ca</a>.</p>
<p>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good call Jade!
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		<title>By: jadeeast</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11112</link>
		<dc:creator>jadeeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blueskies.

Looks like it was written by Ozzie Jurock.

"It is the ONLY true wealth creator over time. "&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11112"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Blueskies.</p>
<p>Looks like it was written by Ozzie Jurock.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the ONLY true wealth creator over time. &#8220;
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		<title>By: blueskies</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11110</link>
		<dc:creator>blueskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pw:

 loved that Sun article!

they couldn't even print the name of the shill that wrote it.

  me thinks the end times are nigh......&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11110"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p> loved that Sun article!</p>
<p>they couldn&#8217;t even print the name of the shill that wrote it.</p>
<p>  me thinks the end times are nigh&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>By: -A-</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11107</link>
		<dc:creator>-A-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the latest according to a realtor's blog who has blocked access to some readers:

"There were 271 new listings today and 188 sales for a sell/list of 69.37%.  Inventory reached 10,808, of which 2,633, or 24.36% were over 90s.

Over the last three days there have been 760 new listings and 428 sales, for a sell/list of 56.32%"&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11107"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">This is the latest according to a realtor&#8217;s blog who has blocked access to some readers:</p>
<p>&#8220;There were 271 new listings today and 188 sales for a sell/list of 69.37%.  Inventory reached 10,808, of which 2,633, or 24.36% were over 90s.</p>
<p>Over the last three days there have been 760 new listings and 428 sales, for a sell/list of 56.32%&#8221;
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		<title>By: Patiently Waiting</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11106</link>
		<dc:creator>Patiently Waiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Don't listen to the gloomers"

http://tinyurl.com/26l7ob&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11106"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">&#8220;Don&#8217;t listen to the gloomers&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/26l7ob" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/26l7ob</a>
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		<title>By: Patiently Waiting</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11105</link>
		<dc:creator>Patiently Waiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"They might have also assigned the units… wow… big losses."

So I guess the assignees will be paying the "lift" twice. Am I understanding this correctly? This could mean many hundreds of thousands of dollars in losses for some people. Possibly bankruptcies over this. Maybe even lengthy legal battles.

Is this just the beginning of a wave of condo projects going into receivership?

This is getting exciting. (munch munch) I wonder what's next...&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11105"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">&#8220;They might have also assigned the units… wow… big losses.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I guess the assignees will be paying the &#8220;lift&#8221; twice. Am I understanding this correctly? This could mean many hundreds of thousands of dollars in losses for some people. Possibly bankruptcies over this. Maybe even lengthy legal battles.</p>
<p>Is this just the beginning of a wave of condo projects going into receivership?</p>
<p>This is getting exciting. (munch munch) I wonder what&#8217;s next&#8230;
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		<title>By: bcubbins</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11089</link>
		<dc:creator>bcubbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dingus, I didn't say their prediction was wackadoo or anything like it. I said the operators of Housing Predictor have no credibility. Anybody can create a website and throw up some numbers, but it doesn't mean they're worth quoting.

Unlike the OFHEO or Case-Shiller (or for that matter CMHC and the real estate boards), we don't know anything about Housing Predictor. We don't know who they are, we don't know their credentials, we don't know their track record, we don't know their methodology, and we don't know their motivations.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11089"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Dingus, I didn&#8217;t say their prediction was wackadoo or anything like it. I said the operators of Housing Predictor have no credibility. Anybody can create a website and throw up some numbers, but it doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re worth quoting.</p>
<p>Unlike the OFHEO or Case-Shiller (or for that matter CMHC and the real estate boards), we don&#8217;t know anything about Housing Predictor. We don&#8217;t know who they are, we don&#8217;t know their credentials, we don&#8217;t know their track record, we don&#8217;t know their methodology, and we don&#8217;t know their motivations.
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11084</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They might have also assigned the units... wow... big losses.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11084"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">They might have also assigned the units&#8230; wow&#8230; big losses.
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		<title>By: BBY</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11082</link>
		<dc:creator>BBY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 more Vancouver condo projects in receivership -- CBC News

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/02/27/bc-condosintrouble.html

If these insiders were speculators, this is really, really funny...

"The receiver has discovered that 23 condos in the Chandler Development Group projects were allegedly &lt;b&gt;sold to insiders at prices well below market value&lt;/b&gt;, Bowra said.

They may get to keep their condos, &lt;b&gt;but will likely have to pay today's prices, he said.&lt;/b&gt;"&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11082"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">2 more Vancouver condo projects in receivership &#8212; CBC News</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/02/27/bc-condosintrouble.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/canada/briti.....ouble.html</a></p>
<p>If these insiders were speculators, this is really, really funny&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The receiver has discovered that 23 condos in the Chandler Development Group projects were allegedly <b>sold to insiders at prices well below market value</b>, Bowra said.</p>
<p>They may get to keep their condos, <b>but will likely have to pay today&#8217;s prices, he said.</b>&#8220;
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		<title>By: dingus</title>
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		<dc:creator>dingus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The OFHEO national house price index recorded a 1.3% decline in the price of a typical U.S. home during the fourth quarter of 2007, while the S&#38;P/Case-Shiller home price index registered a 5.7% decline during the last three months of 2007... For the year as a whole, Case-Shiller calculates that home prices fell 9.8% nationally"

OFHEO is based on mortgages handled by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, while Case-Shiller uses publicly recorded data on all home sales in selected communities. 

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2008/02/house_prices_fa.html

Dunno, bcubbins, 9.8% last year. Is 8% so wackadoo for 2009?

Keep repeating it until it sinks in though.  House prices in the US declined nearly 10% nationally last year.  And the bottom is nowhere near.  

Nothing to do with us, though.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11079"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">&#8220;The OFHEO national house price index recorded a 1.3% decline in the price of a typical U.S. home during the fourth quarter of 2007, while the S&amp;P/Case-Shiller home price index registered a 5.7% decline during the last three months of 2007&#8230; For the year as a whole, Case-Shiller calculates that home prices fell 9.8% nationally&#8221;</p>
<p>OFHEO is based on mortgages handled by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, while Case-Shiller uses publicly recorded data on all home sales in selected communities. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2008/02/house_prices_fa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.econbrowser.com/arc.....es_fa.html</a></p>
<p>Dunno, bcubbins, 9.8% last year. Is 8% so wackadoo for 2009?</p>
<p>Keep repeating it until it sinks in though.  House prices in the US declined nearly 10% nationally last year.  And the bottom is nowhere near.  </p>
<p>Nothing to do with us, though.  Nothing to see here.  Move along.
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		<title>By: krrish1</title>
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		<dc:creator>krrish1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BDK
Laguna Parkside-1925 Alberni is on sale buy developers realtor- on current market prices,if the go down further than that still their is big chunk of profit than the presale but they can not reduce the price,just to remind you few unit in any projects are hard to sell because of
floor#,sq.ft.direction,views etc.

I like your comment tough atleast put my head back to where it belongs.

SONIKA,

You don't know the economy of the world right?Do you know who is depend on whom? anyway this world is affordable because of China and India. we get cheap stuff because of labour cost in their countries are cheap,lots of people in the world can fill their tummy on low cost and decorate their homes with needy items.

Special:China and India can produce 95% of their necessities they are depend on the world for only five per-cent.

If you turn the table around 95% people can not afford to buy our stuff because of labour cost in westren and european countries.-Lesson for the quarter you are throwing.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11075"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">BDK<br />
Laguna Parkside-1925 Alberni is on sale buy developers realtor- on current market prices,if the go down further than that still their is big chunk of profit than the presale but they can not reduce the price,just to remind you few unit in any projects are hard to sell because of<br />
floor#,sq.ft.direction,views etc.</p>
<p>I like your comment tough atleast put my head back to where it belongs.</p>
<p>SONIKA,</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t know the economy of the world right?Do you know who is depend on whom? anyway this world is affordable because of China and India. we get cheap stuff because of labour cost in their countries are cheap,lots of people in the world can fill their tummy on low cost and decorate their homes with needy items.</p>
<p>Special:China and India can produce 95% of their necessities they are depend on the world for only five per-cent.</p>
<p>If you turn the table around 95% people can not afford to buy our stuff because of labour cost in westren and european countries.-Lesson for the quarter you are throwing.
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		<title>By: -A-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-A-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"My guess is that their hoped-for business model is to issue sensational press releases thereby attracting traffic to their website, and then rake in ad revenue."

bcubbins: c'mon, you don't expect the same level of unbiased science based facts and figures you would get from the real estate board and CMHC?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11074"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">&#8220;My guess is that their hoped-for business model is to issue sensational press releases thereby attracting traffic to their website, and then rake in ad revenue.&#8221;</p>
<p>bcubbins: c&#8217;mon, you don&#8217;t expect the same level of unbiased science based facts and figures you would get from the real estate board and CMHC?
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		<title>By: bcubbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>bcubbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Housing Predictor has no real credibility. On their About page, they claim to have a "staff of journalists, researchers, analysts and economists" but they don't name any of them. They issue lots of press releases but don't offer any data to support their conclusions. They have no record of accurate predictions either, having only been up for just over a year. It also seems very odd for an economics research and forecasting organization to solicit advertising on their website.

My guess is that their hoped-for business model is to issue sensational press releases thereby attracting traffic to their website, and then rake in ad revenue.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11073"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Housing Predictor has no real credibility. On their About page, they claim to have a &#8220;staff of journalists, researchers, analysts and economists&#8221; but they don&#8217;t name any of them. They issue lots of press releases but don&#8217;t offer any data to support their conclusions. They have no record of accurate predictions either, having only been up for just over a year. It also seems very odd for an economics research and forecasting organization to solicit advertising on their website.</p>
<p>My guess is that their hoped-for business model is to issue sensational press releases thereby attracting traffic to their website, and then rake in ad revenue.
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		<title>By: blueskies</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from the good ol' US of A:

http://tinyurl.com/36vzmn

&lt;i&gt;Scrambling to find  a bottom, the U.S. real estate market is falling further and further in most areas of the country. Home prices nationally will deflate an average of more than 8% in 2008, according to the new Housing Predictor forecast.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11070"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">from the good ol&#8217; US of A:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/36vzmn" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/36vzmn</a></p>
<p><i>Scrambling to find  a bottom, the U.S. real estate market is falling further and further in most areas of the country. Home prices nationally will deflate an average of more than 8% in 2008, according to the new Housing Predictor forecast.</i>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;you can re-arrange the letters in ‘Stagflation’ to spell ‘A Tango Lifts’!&lt;/b&gt;

Unfortunately 'stagflation' also rearranges into 'got anal fits'! :mrgreen:&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11068"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><b>you can re-arrange the letters in ‘Stagflation’ to spell ‘A Tango Lifts’!</b></p>
<p>Unfortunately &#8217;stagflation&#8217; also rearranges into &#8216;got anal fits&#8217;! <img src='http://vancouvercondo.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Lager not Logger</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11067</link>
		<dc:creator>Lager not Logger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;“The last two U.S. recessions in 1990-91 and 2001 lasted eight months each. The current recession will last much longer and will be more severe… The main good news in this respect is that, after being behind the curve in its assessment of the economic and financial risks, the Fed now gets it and is worried about a serious systemic financial crisis.”

But the Fed will be hamstrung, he said: “At some point the Fed needs to worry that an aggressive fed funds easing will lead to a disorderly fall of the U.S. dollar, to foreign private investors pulling the plug on the financing of still large U.S. external deficits and to higher imported inflation. Second, monetary policy is relatively ineffective in stimulating the economy as: there is a glut of housing, consumer durables, automobiles and it will take years to clear that glut.”&lt;/b&gt;

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/02/27/fed-critiques-too-timid-or-too-aggressive/&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11067"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><b>“The last two U.S. recessions in 1990-91 and 2001 lasted eight months each. The current recession will last much longer and will be more severe… The main good news in this respect is that, after being behind the curve in its assessment of the economic and financial risks, the Fed now gets it and is worried about a serious systemic financial crisis.”</p>
<p>But the Fed will be hamstrung, he said: “At some point the Fed needs to worry that an aggressive fed funds easing will lead to a disorderly fall of the U.S. dollar, to foreign private investors pulling the plug on the financing of still large U.S. external deficits and to higher imported inflation. Second, monetary policy is relatively ineffective in stimulating the economy as: there is a glut of housing, consumer durables, automobiles and it will take years to clear that glut.”</b></p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/02/27/fed-critiques-too-timid-or-too-aggressive/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/economics.....ggressive/</a>
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		<title>By: dingus</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11066</link>
		<dc:creator>dingus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gloom?  You want gloom?  I got your gloom right here pal...

Check out Nouriel Roubini's testimony to Congress yesterday: 

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/financialsvcs_dem/roubini022608.pdf&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11066"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Gloom?  You want gloom?  I got your gloom right here pal&#8230;</p>
<p>Check out Nouriel Roubini&#8217;s testimony to Congress yesterday: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/financialsvcs_dem/roubini022608.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.house.gov/apps/list.....022608.pdf</a>
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		<title>By: Chilli Con Carne</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11062</link>
		<dc:creator>Chilli Con Carne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone has insomnia, a good cure is Chipman's blog.

Pathetic and desperate( aside from boring).

And he wanted to charge?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11062"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">If anyone has insomnia, a good cure is Chipman&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Pathetic and desperate( aside from boring).</p>
<p>And he wanted to charge?
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		<title>By: bdk</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11055</link>
		<dc:creator>bdk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laguna Parkside (1925 Alberni) has reduced the asking prices by about 10% and there is an extra $5,000 commission in it for realtor who brings in a sale, they have been sitting on the market for 364 days and no takers. 
There are also vacant units for rent in there for $3k-4k that no world class renters want to pay for either.

Now why would all these wisemans choose not to "buy our own place what we need is a monthly payment and some money for food and entertainment" 

Does this mean no one wants to spend over $6,000 a month to own a 1050 sq ft unit on a busy street in the west end? Where are these manual labourers who're making $240,000 like Krissh and Tom Vu who want to be world class and " Desire:when we know we have to live our life in this city forever" 
Forever or until the warehouse that Krissh works in lays him off and he ends up standing in line at Labour Ready, hoping to make $10 an hour to shovel dirt in the rain.

Go Krissh go! 
Please stick around as the market runs out of buyers and  the onslaught of new units hit the market. 

Bill Eden figured 95% of the Sophia buyers were speculators.
A wiseman told me that 75% of downtown units were purchased by speculators. 

This means krissh and dosh  better hurry up and start buying because no one else is.


"When we reach up to here no more fuss just beautiful life is above to begun rest is a history start of the new day."&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11055"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Laguna Parkside (1925 Alberni) has reduced the asking prices by about 10% and there is an extra $5,000 commission in it for realtor who brings in a sale, they have been sitting on the market for 364 days and no takers.<br />
There are also vacant units for rent in there for $3k-4k that no world class renters want to pay for either.</p>
<p>Now why would all these wisemans choose not to &#8220;buy our own place what we need is a monthly payment and some money for food and entertainment&#8221; </p>
<p>Does this mean no one wants to spend over $6,000 a month to own a 1050 sq ft unit on a busy street in the west end? Where are these manual labourers who&#8217;re making $240,000 like Krissh and Tom Vu who want to be world class and &#8221; Desire:when we know we have to live our life in this city forever&#8221;<br />
Forever or until the warehouse that Krissh works in lays him off and he ends up standing in line at Labour Ready, hoping to make $10 an hour to shovel dirt in the rain.</p>
<p>Go Krissh go!<br />
Please stick around as the market runs out of buyers and  the onslaught of new units hit the market. </p>
<p>Bill Eden figured 95% of the Sophia buyers were speculators.<br />
A wiseman told me that 75% of downtown units were purchased by speculators. </p>
<p>This means krissh and dosh  better hurry up and start buying because no one else is.</p>
<p>&#8220;When we reach up to here no more fuss just beautiful life is above to begun rest is a history start of the new day.&#8221;
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		<title>By: scullboy</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/02/us-economic-gloom-round-up.html#comment-11054</link>
		<dc:creator>scullboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Steve, consider:

1) the US is the world's foremost consumer of everything. 

2) They are losing their appetite for "stuff" (local housing, cars etc)

3) We are their biggest trading partners, NOT China. WE sell them BC lumber for their homes, and cars made in Ontario

4) Even the cheap crap they buy from China and India may be made in part or whole from our "commodities"

5) The world holds a huge number of US denominated debt and assets. As the USD falls those assets drop in value, reducing those countries' total ability to purchase our "stuff"

So no I would guess we're not in great shape.

And KRRRRISH,
the things that is better then owing "stuff" right now is having money in the bank. When the recession hits and you lose your job (and with people buying less "stuff", there's less "stuff" to move around, so get ready), and all those construction workers etc put their overvalued assets up for sale only to discover it isn't as easy as they thought to make a cool 100K in the market, you're going to learn a valuable lesson. 

But that's ok, I'll flip you a quarter when I see you on the sreet. Maybe you can sell a kidney or something to make the mortgage payment....&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11054"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Hey Steve, consider:</p>
<p>1) the US is the world&#8217;s foremost consumer of everything. </p>
<p>2) They are losing their appetite for &#8220;stuff&#8221; (local housing, cars etc)</p>
<p>3) We are their biggest trading partners, NOT China. WE sell them BC lumber for their homes, and cars made in Ontario</p>
<p>4) Even the cheap crap they buy from China and India may be made in part or whole from our &#8220;commodities&#8221;</p>
<p>5) The world holds a huge number of US denominated debt and assets. As the USD falls those assets drop in value, reducing those countries&#8217; total ability to purchase our &#8220;stuff&#8221;</p>
<p>So no I would guess we&#8217;re not in great shape.</p>
<p>And KRRRRISH,<br />
the things that is better then owing &#8220;stuff&#8221; right now is having money in the bank. When the recession hits and you lose your job (and with people buying less &#8220;stuff&#8221;, there&#8217;s less &#8220;stuff&#8221; to move around, so get ready), and all those construction workers etc put their overvalued assets up for sale only to discover it isn&#8217;t as easy as they thought to make a cool 100K in the market, you&#8217;re going to learn a valuable lesson. </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s ok, I&#8217;ll flip you a quarter when I see you on the sreet. Maybe you can sell a kidney or something to make the mortgage payment&#8230;.
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't it possible that Canada as a whole will just be a much better investment than the US going forward?  I know that our manufacturing work depends a lot of the US market, but as long as commodities stay strong aren't we in pretty good shape?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11052"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Isn&#8217;t it possible that Canada as a whole will just be a much better investment than the US going forward?  I know that our manufacturing work depends a lot of the US market, but as long as commodities stay strong aren&#8217;t we in pretty good shape?
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		<title>By: moldcity</title>
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		<dc:creator>moldcity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank goodness! :) Some people do think that way which is why I didn't get the joke right away. Haven't had my morning coffee yet either.


It's such a remarkable ignorance to think that somehow we'll seperate from the influence of our biggest trade partner at just the right time.  The government acknowledged that with yesterdays budget which expects more slowing and even then some have complained that it doesnt do enough. 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080226.wbudgeteconomy0226/BNStory/budget2008&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11047"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Thank goodness! <img src='http://vancouvercondo.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Some people do think that way which is why I didn&#8217;t get the joke right away. Haven&#8217;t had my morning coffee yet either.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s such a remarkable ignorance to think that somehow we&#8217;ll seperate from the influence of our biggest trade partner at just the right time.  The government acknowledged that with yesterdays budget which expects more slowing and even then some have complained that it doesnt do enough. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080226.wbudgeteconomy0226/BNStory/budget2008" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....budget2008</a>
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		<title>By: Londonernow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Londonernow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course its a joke Moldy, but I'm not sure people in Vancouver don't really think that way.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11046"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Of course its a joke Moldy, but I&#8217;m not sure people in Vancouver don&#8217;t really think that way.
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		<title>By: moldcity</title>
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		<dc:creator>moldcity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats a joke right londonernow?  You investing with the 100 year timeline without regard to entry point?  If so I have a car that will be worth a LOT in 100 years and I'm willing to give you a really good deal on it.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-11045"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Thats a joke right londonernow?  You investing with the 100 year timeline without regard to entry point?  If so I have a car that will be worth a LOT in 100 years and I&#8217;m willing to give you a really good deal on it.
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