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This weekend the Vancouver Sun ran a story about the top 15 real estate myths and realities which generated a lot of reader feedback.  As of last night their website had many comments, the majority of which disagreed with some of the points in that article or the way that it was presented.

Today the comment section looks different.  This morning all but two comments had disappeared, with many readers here claiming to have re-submitted comments that have not showed up.  I’ve personally submitted a comment that has not yet appeared on their site.  Since this morning one additional comment has been posted (congratulations ‘crabman!’).

I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is a temporary technical problem rather than a concerted effort to censor public feedback and appease real estate advertisers.  If they are experiencing technical difficulties I’m sure they would want to keep the conversation going, so please feel free to post your comments here while we wait for them to solve the problem and re-post reader comments on their website.

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Mariana

I'm looking for the blogger that wrote this (see below). I'm working on the CBC's "The Early Edition" and would love to talk to you. Please give me a call at 604-662-6957. Thanks. This weekend the Vancouver Sun ran a story about the top 15 real estate myths and realities which generated a lot of reader feedback. As of last night their website had many comments, the majority of which disagreed with some of the points in that article or the way that it was presented. Today the comment section looks different. This morning all but two comments had disappeared, with many readers here claiming to have re-submitted comments that have not showed up. I’ve personally submitted a comment that has not yet appeared on their site. Since this morning one additional comment has been posted (congratulations ‘crabman!’). I’m going… Read more »

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Michael Randallbard

T.hu……how about you head back to Hu Land or where ever you came from?

What you are about to witness in this city is going to crush you like a stale bitter melon. Those of us who have lived in this city for a generation know exactly what I mean.

And it always happens when it is least desireable for the hypers. The Olympics are going to be a major flop leaving us with a giant bill and not nearly as many visitors as they expected due to 200.00 oil and food shortages and riots around the world. No one will care about Vancouver by then.

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Snark

So who wants to bet we don't see anymore 'reader comment' forms on real estate stories on the Vancouver Sun site?

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dingus

Not sure if anyone else is as interested as me in this episode…perhaps condohype, which makes me feel guilty for not posting it on his first rate, terrific, absolutely fantabulous site.

But this essay

http://www.herecomeseverybody.org/2008/04/looking…

by Clay Shirky about …about… um…, well, the ability of the internet to channel "cognitive surplus" rather than relying on TV or gin to anaesthetize the general public. He has a book about organizing without organizations, which is kinda what's going on with VHB — vancondo — mohican — Chipman (commenters) — solipsist, fish et al. Not that it's a cause or anything, but it is a bunch of folks with cognitive surplus that collaborate in a particular area to create collaborative channels of meaning. And these channels recently interacted with Old Media on the 15 Myths thing, and … well, you know the rest.

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cambler

The 15 myths must have been put up in an effort to keep people buying condos. Most of points are irrelevant or don’t say enough to form an opinion. #3 -Real estate prices in Greater Vancouver can’t keep going up; they’re too high already. No one can predict for certain, but I would guess that realtors and lenders would love for everyone to think this statement is untrue so they can keep on making lots of money. I bet that’s where the info came from. #5: A bathroom or kitchen renovation is the best way to add lasting resale value to your home. Whoever wrote this doesn’t understand simple depreciation. Everything in your home depreciates in value. The appliances, the drywall, the plumbing, everything. The only thing that has been appreciating (and won’t forever) is the land value. The only… Read more »

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jj

Has anybody tried emailing Derrick Penner or the Sun and got a response? I'd love to see answers from them if anyone gets one.

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admin

New post to discuss statscan BC income news story here:
http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/05/bc-incomes-dro…

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patriotz

The drop would be probably attributed to the large number of low paid service and retail jobs (evidenced by help wanted signs in such establishments), and the reduction in high paid forestry jobs that are fast dissappearing.

Employment in the forest industry was clobbered in the 82 recession and never recovered. The industry used the downtime during the bust to automate, and most of the laid off workers were never rehired. And the few that remain are getting clobbered again.

Mining employment is also down substantially due to automation and shutdowns such as the Tumbler Ridge coal mines and the silver-lead-zinc mine in Kimberley. Employment in secondary resource industry like the smelters in Kitimat and Trail is also down.

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frank

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Don't let the Sun off the hook just when this is getting interesting.

Tell them how you feel about hiding the comments about the 15 myths:
http://www.canada.com/share/soundoff

Or email the editor direct:

depenner@png.canwest.com

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admin

I was also saddened to see coco has closed down her news blog. I didn't see the insulting comments, but if you're reading this coco, don't put too much stock in anonymous ranters.

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beatstreet

From globeinvestor gold this morning:

"BERTRAND MAROTTE

Thursday, May 01, 2008

MONTREAL — The Quebec government has lured New York finance powerhouse Morgan Stanley to Montreal with a generous package of tax credits.

Morgan Stanley says it will invest $200-million to build a technology centre in the city and create 500 jobs. More to come"

Oh well, just 500 high tech jobs not coming to Vancouver. I expect Montreal's housing price advantage had something to do with it along with Quebec tax payer generosity.

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admin

Thanks for the comment archive 'santas helper'. Speaking of comment deletion perhaps I should be chopping comments out of here.. I like to see debate, but posts of pure insults are generally dull to read. I tend to err on the side of 'free speech', but come on people – trollbait may look tasty, but its often unsatisfying.

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Krrish2

NO TONY,

*Gold 3X up but not all people can buy gold.

*Fuel 3X up but not all people drive or own cars.

*Energy3X up but not all people pay the bills just home owners or some tenent as per the contract.

*Grocery 3X up but you don't have to buy all the items in the store.

*Rates of pay 3X up but not for every single employees in bc.

*Home prices 3X up but not all people own a home.

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misanthropic curmudgeon,

I am glad that you still around us here- wg2c nice to read you again.

"you bellowed?"

Yes indeed miss curmudgeon still in love and i had miss you so much- btw SONIKA screwd up every thing.WG2C cheer up!

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cashisking

one more thing

check out the inventories for west van, north van, and van west

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cashisking

check out inventory #'s in Paul Boenisch's website – go to Blog to get his commentary and your morning bearish grin … and don't sh!t all over him b/c he's the only one who puts it in pictures for our simple bull friends!

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macciato

"Incomes dropping in BC despite a booming economy" So, the 'reality' is we are making less money .. and as the Sun myths/reality article states, job growth is solid and will contribute to demand, they forgot to mention we are making less money and that over half the new jobs in the last year were in construction (28K/55K, statcan). This confirms previous information. Great to have the most recent statcan data to show up to 2005. The sun ran a similar article about 2 years ago, saying almost exactly the same things related to real income decline. Strataman, I think during the time of the census forestry jobs were growing and that industry was booming, go figure and skilled tradepeople get paid more than the median, even labourers are up there, I think you can walk on a site for… Read more »

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Tony Danza

GV inventory of 16000 by mid May?

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Tony Danza

led by an 11.3 per cent plunge in British Columbia

But….but…but I thought incomes went up 3x in the last 10 years for box stackers and baristas! Does that mean that one of our posters is being dishonest? 🙁

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Strataman

exx "Could it be that it’s because our booming economy is based on construction? How much are these construction workers making?"

No it is the opposite most construction workers make substantially above the median so they are artificially supporting that figure. The drop would be probably attributed to the large number of low paid service and retail jobs (evidenced by help wanted signs in such establishments), and the reduction in high paid forestry jobs that are fast dissappearing.

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exx

Incomes dropping in BC despite a booming economy

New census data this morning shows the median income for full time workers in BC is a little over $42,000 a year, which is a drop of over 3% since 2000 and it's down 11% since 1980 when you take inflation into account.

Could it be that it's because our booming economy is based on construction? How much are these construction workers making?

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richard

With longer, lower payments, `you just have higher housing prices. Who the heck put this man in charge? Clearly he does not understand vancouver RE only goes UP UP UP.

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Anonymous

Sorry, that was alexcanuck

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