United Properties Anvil in trouble

acmeanvill.jpgAnother lower mainland condo project in trouble, this one in New West. Story at the CBC:

United Properties, the developer behind The Anvil in New Westminster, has run out money, and that means pre-sale buyers are being asked to pay an additional $20,00 to $40,00 if they want to keep their condos.

Pre-sale buyers have received letters from the developer saying they have 14 days to decide whether they want to pull out and get their deposit back or pay the additional costs. The project needs an additional $4 million to meet its financial obligations.

“Development is a tough game and United Properties has been at it for some time, so it is quite unique to have such a developer run into this kind of difficulty,” said real estate lawyer Ron Usher.

Apparently the Anvil is currently 18 months behind schedule. Insert appropriate Wile E. Coyote comment here.

Thanks to Macchiato and Exx for the story link.

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bdk
bdk
12 years ago

Scullboy, the point about staying at the Westing (or fairmont) etc. is very clever.

Furthermore it's possible to buy a strata unit in a hotel such as the Terminal city club (near coal harbour) or the Marriot Pinnacle (in coal harbour) and then you get a return on the hotel and can stay there for 30 days per year.

If the rich foreigners stay longer than 30 days they could buy 4 of them for $800k (or the price of a new 1+den in the same area) and get 120 days a year plus a small % return on the purchase price while it's in the rental pool.

scullboy
12 years ago

Actually, I *HATED* my old place, and the neighbors were getting worse and worse. As BDK pointed out, I'll stay in the new place as long as I like, though hopefully that'll be a while. THe building is professionally managed and it's all rental units, so the landlord will never evict people because he is selling the place. At this point you have to ask….. how long will it take to build equity in a place if you're paying down a 40 year mortgage? We can all do the math, so really the question is rhetorical. The real questions are: 1) How fast am I paying down equity 2) How much of my income is going into housing if I own as opposed to renting 3) do the advantages of buying and owning at this time (pride of ownership, paying… Read more »

Strataman
Strataman
12 years ago

bdk; "If you were able to lease your car for 1/3 of the price of owning it would you still buy the car?" Your comparison of condo's to cars is spot on. For some reason people believe condo's are more real estate when in truth that they are a rapidly depreciating consumer item such as a CAR. Very little of the value of a condo is in the land, most of it is typical of a car, nice finishes and a mechanical system and body that has a limited lifespan and will eventually depreciate to zero (the non-realestate portion 95% likely). Unlike a SFH where probably the land value will appreciate as a majority portion of the value. I very much doubt there is any presently built modern condo that will make it to the 40 year limit of new… Read more »

bdk
bdk
12 years ago

Krissh, that's one of the great things a about renting, you can move to a new building every year and still pay 1/3 the cost of what it'd cost to mortgage it. You mentioned appreciation but fail to realize that real estate is not the only asset with the potential to appreciate, if one were to save the $2,000 difference between a mortgage and a lease and have invested it in any of the other asset classes which increased in value since Real estate started appreciating again (2004)then you'd have done quite well. When you say the price doubles you're not including the opportunity costs of investing the $2k per month into oil stock or gold or pretty much any sector, since it's not just real estate that went up! If you had leveraged $500,000 on precious metals or gold… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

Sonika, you used to like your old place as well now you liked the new place,I don't know why you moved from the old place was it sold,asking for rent increase after contract or what? Now you like the new place but how long are you going to stay there?haaaaa ok -if you are looking for some solid answer-I don't think you have any question in your comment but i believe you have put a one sided forceful opinion that you are renting a good place for 1300 you feel good that way,I have no objection, if you are renting a beautiful place for cheap just enjoy your place,the only spin i can put on this is you are renting it, you does not own this same place. You can not gain the appreciation out of it,you may not be… Read more »

scullboy
12 years ago

Thumbs: Just for once I was being serious…. I figured I really had deciphered your opinion on real estate. If I haven't can you please explain it to us? I'm totally serious here. I mean you've been babbling on for… what…. years now? Surely you've got some kind of opinion that can make sense. I mean, you're saying buy in today, right? So, why should be buy in today? I'm sure everyone else is just as interested as I am. C'mon…. explain it to me. I'm paying $1300 today for a 700Sq Ft place in the West End. The building is clean, quiet and remarkably well constructed. It's very well run, and very well kept. It has a gorgeous view of the mountains AND the ocean. It's close ot the beach and close to the park. Friends of mine, some… Read more »

scullboy
12 years ago

Hey Pope,

You have to admit, I think my posts have served some kind of purpose. I think Krrish / thumbs have gone insane. You have to admit it looks like his personalities have completely split tin two, and they're both short circuited.

I feel just like Captain Kirk. Remember how he was always able to fry the brains of computers/space probes with logical constructs delivered in a completely over the top manner?

Unless someone's impersonating krrish in which case I say : GOOD SHOW! You've mastered his dreadful posting style. Well done.

NOw if you can just get his mom to stop texting me…..

Brittanny
Brittanny
12 years ago

Micheal – Thanx for the vids – I laughed my ass off!

-A-
-A-
12 years ago

Rob might be changing his tune again, apparently the market has started to heat up again trending toward white hot, and has posted the stats to prove it.

Therefore the 20% to 40% might be revised.

stagnate
stagnate
12 years ago

-A- : indeed i would agree there is little or no stimulus left in the bag, and what there is may be pushing on a string so to speak. the real vacancy rate may be a bit higher, not so certain on that.

Michael Randallbard
12 years ago
-A-
-A-
12 years ago

Stagnate:

"real interest rate spread at 1981 boom top=17%

real interest rate spread now=2%"

Not much room for monetary stimulus this time around,where are you going to get the 1500 bsp to stimulate?

rental vacancy rate at 1981 boom top=6%

rental vacancy rate now=2%"

The real vacancy rate is much higher, most of you homedebtors have 2 or 3 suites to rent out.

stagnate
stagnate
12 years ago

blueskies: you're one of the smarter posters here, leave the dumb comments to the fourth liners on your team.

Michael Randallbard
12 years ago

"But it is just part of the territory when you are living the Downtown life style"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GVE7lRZuFM

stagnate
stagnate
12 years ago

not stagnant: yes i can make money. yes i can get under your skin.

tony danza: 80's are over tough guy, thanks for coming out.

blueskies
blueskies
12 years ago

stagnant is one of those jealous bitter home owners…

Anonymous
Anonymous
12 years ago

😉 a,i think he forgot to print copy right protection warning.

Not stagnant
Not stagnant
12 years ago

Sorry stagnate, Maybe you're not so young after all. Just a lonely old man.

Not stagnant
Not stagnant
12 years ago

stagnate wrote "look for opportunities in the weakness, a shrewd investor can make money in any market. don’t let past mistakes hinder your future. use cogent thought and don’t be an assclown. ha ha."

You must be very young and accordingly arrogant. You assume that the goal of everyone in the friggin' world is to make money. It's not. Money can't buy you the most important things in the world; it only allows you to rent them.

They say "money can't buy you love" but you know you can rent it. So I guess you're a renter with regard to love; watch out for diseases, some of those girls are dangerous.

Stagnate, you're a friggin' renter! Oh that's too funny! All the money in the world and he's got no-one to love; he's a renter!

-A-
-A-
12 years ago

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So I assume, you don't agree with Rob Chipman, you don't think there will be a drop in price of 20% t 40%

Tony Danza
Tony Danza
12 years ago

Keep dreaming stagnate, the worm has turned and if you haven't sold out already you're obviously too late like your buddy SATV. You Realtards sure are entertaining though! I can hardly wait to read your sob stories in the local rags when you wail for a bailout:)

blueskies
blueskies
12 years ago

ascii images…. sigh

nostalgia ain't what it used to be

Thums up2
Thums up2
12 years ago

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