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		<title>By: bcubbins</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20709</link>
		<dc:creator>bcubbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Historically variable rates almost always beat fixed rates in terms of total borrowing cost.”

Going forward, as rates rise from 4% to x%, it is more likely that fixed rates will be your friend.&lt;/i&gt;

Why do think this would be the case?? With a variable rate, the borrower bears the interest rate risk. With a fixed rate, the lender takes on that risk and will charge a premium for doing so.

So going forward from any point in time, I'd expect that on average a variable rate will end up costing the borrower less. Whether that actually turns out to be true in hindsight depends on how accurately the lender had predicted future interest rates.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20709"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><i>“Historically variable rates almost always beat fixed rates in terms of total borrowing cost.”</p>
<p>Going forward, as rates rise from 4% to x%, it is more likely that fixed rates will be your friend.</i></p>
<p>Why do think this would be the case?? With a variable rate, the borrower bears the interest rate risk. With a fixed rate, the lender takes on that risk and will charge a premium for doing so.</p>
<p>So going forward from any point in time, I&#8217;d expect that on average a variable rate will end up costing the borrower less. Whether that actually turns out to be true in hindsight depends on how accurately the lender had predicted future interest rates.
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		<title>By: well said</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20694</link>
		<dc:creator>well said</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have faith that the market may be indicating nothing more than incompetence and greed at any given moment.&lt;/i&gt;

Most people attribute intelligence to the market.  Aetakeo has correctly articulated what many (most?) refuse to recognize.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20694"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><i>I have faith that the market may be indicating nothing more than incompetence and greed at any given moment.</i></p>
<p>Most people attribute intelligence to the market.  Aetakeo has correctly articulated what many (most?) refuse to recognize.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20564</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If a student needs a laptop computer for their university education they’d buy a system twice as good today as they would have two or three years ago&lt;/i&gt;

They also have the choice of buying that 2 or 3 year old computer way, way cheaper than it was new. That's an apples to apples comparison.

Technological advancement in new goods drives down the price of used goods.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20564"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><i>If a student needs a laptop computer for their university education they’d buy a system twice as good today as they would have two or three years ago</i></p>
<p>They also have the choice of buying that 2 or 3 year old computer way, way cheaper than it was new. That&#8217;s an apples to apples comparison.</p>
<p>Technological advancement in new goods drives down the price of used goods.
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20560</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;"Listen, it’s well documented that many gov’ts use a variety of techniques to under-report “inflation” (wrongly defined, btw) - the are reporting price changes, not inflation (an increase in supply of money/credit"&lt;/i&gt;

You can look at TIPS and RRB yields to see how well the CPI compares to what the market expects for inflation. You are welcome to know better. Driving constituents into poverty is not always the best policy for getting re-elected, right now especially true if you're the British government.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20560"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><i>&#8220;Listen, it’s well documented that many gov’ts use a variety of techniques to under-report “inflation” (wrongly defined, btw) - the are reporting price changes, not inflation (an increase in supply of money/credit&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You can look at TIPS and RRB yields to see how well the CPI compares to what the market expects for inflation. You are welcome to know better. Driving constituents into poverty is not always the best policy for getting re-elected, right now especially true if you&#8217;re the British government.
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		<title>By: cashisking</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20559</link>
		<dc:creator>cashisking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If CPI was calculated as it was in the early 80's our annual rate would be 10.4% ... interest rates are going higher,  long bond yields are going up,  as are mortgage rates ... 
But not in Vancouver, it's different out here!&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20559"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">If CPI was calculated as it was in the early 80&#8217;s our annual rate would be 10.4% &#8230; interest rates are going higher,  long bond yields are going up,  as are mortgage rates &#8230;<br />
But not in Vancouver, it&#8217;s different out here!
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		<title>By: Alpha_Bear</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20557</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpha_Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;"If farmers innovate and figure out how to produce twice as much wheat at the same cost, prices would drop..."&lt;/b&gt;

Farmers currently maximize production by adding as much fertiliser, pesticides, and other 'inputs' as necessary to produce the maximum yield. With rising oil, natural gas, and potash prices, farmers will have to calculate how much fertiliser to add in order to maximize their profit. Wheat production is not likely to rise.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20557"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><b>&#8220;If farmers innovate and figure out how to produce twice as much wheat at the same cost, prices would drop&#8230;&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Farmers currently maximize production by adding as much fertiliser, pesticides, and other &#8216;inputs&#8217; as necessary to produce the maximum yield. With rising oil, natural gas, and potash prices, farmers will have to calculate how much fertiliser to add in order to maximize their profit. Wheat production is not likely to rise.
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		<title>By: aetakeo</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20556</link>
		<dc:creator>aetakeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;By corollary you are saying government bond rates determined on the open market by tens of thousands of bond traders and in direct competition to other similar instruments from around the world are not correct.&lt;/i&gt;

Given the DotCom meltdown and the subsequent insanity of the sub-prime derivatives trade, and given that tens of thousands of economists and traders believed in the housing boom, I've become really comfortable with the idea that tens of thousands of anybodies can be radically incorrect. The herd seems to move based on really local indicators of potential profit, which means that Tulip Mania makes sense for some value of sense.
Seriously, having watched two bubbles, both times scratching my head as to WTF people were thinking, I have faith in the market correcting over time, and I have faith that the market may be indicating nothing more than incompetence and greed at any given moment.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20556"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><i>By corollary you are saying government bond rates determined on the open market by tens of thousands of bond traders and in direct competition to other similar instruments from around the world are not correct.</i></p>
<p>Given the DotCom meltdown and the subsequent insanity of the sub-prime derivatives trade, and given that tens of thousands of economists and traders believed in the housing boom, I&#8217;ve become really comfortable with the idea that tens of thousands of anybodies can be radically incorrect. The herd seems to move based on really local indicators of potential profit, which means that Tulip Mania makes sense for some value of sense.<br />
Seriously, having watched two bubbles, both times scratching my head as to WTF people were thinking, I have faith in the market correcting over time, and I have faith that the market may be indicating nothing more than incompetence and greed at any given moment.
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		<title>By: blueskies</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20554</link>
		<dc:creator>blueskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when satv is backing up rob a you
just know the end is near!

&lt;i&gt;price will effect the buyers &lt;/i&gt;

 the affection for the effect 
affected the effective effect&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20554"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">when satv is backing up rob a you<br />
just know the end is near!</p>
<p><i>price will effect the buyers </i></p>
<p> the affection for the effect<br />
affected the effective effect
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		<title>By: scc</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20553</link>
		<dc:creator>scc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"As for government bonds, if yields are off base, the currency moves to make the market."

My comment was a bit off. Central banks work off of their target rate which affect the general rates offered in the economy. In the states, treasury bonds are auctioned setting their yield. The currency moves as a function of the demand which is affected by the relative yields.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20553"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">&#8220;As for government bonds, if yields are off base, the currency moves to make the market.&#8221;</p>
<p>My comment was a bit off. Central banks work off of their target rate which affect the general rates offered in the economy. In the states, treasury bonds are auctioned setting their yield. The currency moves as a function of the demand which is affected by the relative yields.
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20549</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Historically variable rates almost always beat fixed rates in terms of total borrowing cost.&lt;/i&gt;

Impossible to justify such a conclusion. Adjustable rate mortgages weren't even legal in the US until 1982, meaning our entire history with them has been during a 2 decade long secular bear in interest rates.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20549"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><i>Historically variable rates almost always beat fixed rates in terms of total borrowing cost.</i></p>
<p>Impossible to justify such a conclusion. Adjustable rate mortgages weren&#8217;t even legal in the US until 1982, meaning our entire history with them has been during a 2 decade long secular bear in interest rates.
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		<title>By: scc</title>
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		<dc:creator>scc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse, I'm not following your train of thought. CPI really only affects rates through a central banks desire to keep the CPI in a target range. It affects everyone else based on expectations on what a central bank will do. 

As for government bonds, if yields are off base, the currency moves to make the market.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20548"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Jesse, I&#8217;m not following your train of thought. CPI really only affects rates through a central banks desire to keep the CPI in a target range. It affects everyone else based on expectations on what a central bank will do. </p>
<p>As for government bonds, if yields are off base, the currency moves to make the market.
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		<title>By: -A-</title>
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		<dc:creator>-A-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I do feel that the government currently does under-report CPI and creatively uses hedonics to the public’s detriment.”

It's a fact. Common sense confirms it everyday, eventually most people's purchasing power will be so eroded, a serious recession will set in.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20547"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">“I do feel that the government currently does under-report CPI and creatively uses hedonics to the public’s detriment.”</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fact. Common sense confirms it everyday, eventually most people&#8217;s purchasing power will be so eroded, a serious recession will set in.
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dion has just announced a plan to ensure the Liberals will not win the next election. I would say an election is now guaranteed to occur soon.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20546"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Dion has just announced a plan to ensure the Liberals will not win the next election. I would say an election is now guaranteed to occur soon.
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		<title>By: mechie</title>
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		<dc:creator>mechie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"By corollary you are saying government bond rates determined on the open market by tens of thousands of bond traders and in direct competition to other similar instruments from around the world are not correct."

Listen, it's well documented that many gov'ts use a variety of techniques to under-report "inflation" (wrongly defined, btw) - the are reporting price changes, not inflation (an increase in supply of money/credit - too much to explain here). This isn't discussed in MSM, but it's been well documented over many years. Others on this site can elaborate.

Furthermore, this low long interest rate period we've experienced (VHB is correct - that cycle is over) has been driven by multiple factor, including vast sums of price insensitive, mercantilist money recycled from Asia &#38; the Middle East recycled into Western gov't bonds. The presumptive corollary isn't the dominant factor.

Even furthermore...it's also a matter of economic history, through multiple multi-decade cycles, that credit (speculative) booms (like we've just completed) experience a flattening of the yield curve, drawing down long term rates.

This too has changed...take a look.

There are additional factors.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20545"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">&#8220;By corollary you are saying government bond rates determined on the open market by tens of thousands of bond traders and in direct competition to other similar instruments from around the world are not correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Listen, it&#8217;s well documented that many gov&#8217;ts use a variety of techniques to under-report &#8220;inflation&#8221; (wrongly defined, btw) - the are reporting price changes, not inflation (an increase in supply of money/credit - too much to explain here). This isn&#8217;t discussed in MSM, but it&#8217;s been well documented over many years. Others on this site can elaborate.</p>
<p>Furthermore, this low long interest rate period we&#8217;ve experienced (VHB is correct - that cycle is over) has been driven by multiple factor, including vast sums of price insensitive, mercantilist money recycled from Asia &amp; the Middle East recycled into Western gov&#8217;t bonds. The presumptive corollary isn&#8217;t the dominant factor.</p>
<p>Even furthermore&#8230;it&#8217;s also a matter of economic history, through multiple multi-decade cycles, that credit (speculative) booms (like we&#8217;ve just completed) experience a flattening of the yield curve, drawing down long term rates.</p>
<p>This too has changed&#8230;take a look.</p>
<p>There are additional factors.
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;"I do feel that the government currently does under-report CPI and creatively uses hedonics to the public’s detriment."&lt;/i&gt;

By corollary you are saying government bond rates determined on the open market by tens of thousands of bond traders and in direct competition to other similar instruments from around the world are not correct.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20544"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><i>&#8220;I do feel that the government currently does under-report CPI and creatively uses hedonics to the public’s detriment.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>By corollary you are saying government bond rates determined on the open market by tens of thousands of bond traders and in direct competition to other similar instruments from around the world are not correct.
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		<title>By: scc</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't let the high tech aspects of computers confuse the issue. If farmers innovate and figure out how to produce twice as much wheat at the same cost, prices would drop and the respective component to the CPI would decline. 

This is no different from silicon foundries moving from 1um to 65nm and from 8cm to 30cm wafers or for hard drive manufacturers making a 300GB hard drive with a single platter vs. 3 just a few years ago. The price of an "equivalent" computer has to decline. I am not advocating that the government use a linear relationship between CPU frequency to the computer component in the index, but it does need to reflect the reduced costs/improvements to stay valid. The flip side would be that the CPI would be too high relative to reality.

I do feel that the government currently does under-report CPI and creatively uses hedonics to the public's detriment. However, the more important issue is that the BoC seems to have been ignoring inflation in favor of keeping the dollar competitive with the USD, especially since Dodge "retired".&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20543"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Don&#8217;t let the high tech aspects of computers confuse the issue. If farmers innovate and figure out how to produce twice as much wheat at the same cost, prices would drop and the respective component to the CPI would decline. </p>
<p>This is no different from silicon foundries moving from 1um to 65nm and from 8cm to 30cm wafers or for hard drive manufacturers making a 300GB hard drive with a single platter vs. 3 just a few years ago. The price of an &#8220;equivalent&#8221; computer has to decline. I am not advocating that the government use a linear relationship between CPU frequency to the computer component in the index, but it does need to reflect the reduced costs/improvements to stay valid. The flip side would be that the CPI would be too high relative to reality.</p>
<p>I do feel that the government currently does under-report CPI and creatively uses hedonics to the public&#8217;s detriment. However, the more important issue is that the BoC seems to have been ignoring inflation in favor of keeping the dollar competitive with the USD, especially since Dodge &#8220;retired&#8221;.
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		<title>By: Thums up2</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comment#9
"If you want to beat inflation you should move downtown,if you work there."

Yeah rob a,some one actually did analysis to show how the commute time+gas price will effect the buyers who chose valley over vancouver now they must consider moving back where the actions are on free of gas infront of their doors,right rob a?

cafe,skirts,bikini's,and the Canadaline,
world famous shopping promenade,
bussiness district wine,
beach,resturant etc,
or sit in or out of the library
you will be fine
every single task consider saving $5
then count the total activities
from work to the beach 
then multiply by 30/31 days of month
- inflation=no inflation.
From cambie to davie
from west side granville to robson
denman to english bay
form burrard to millville
from yaletown to gastown 
from west hasting to stanley park
ladies and gentlemens 
Vancouver peninsula
is a place of action
&lt;b&gt;"THE BEST PLACE TO BE"-right rob a?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20542"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">comment#9<br />
&#8220;If you want to beat inflation you should move downtown,if you work there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah rob a,some one actually did analysis to show how the commute time+gas price will effect the buyers who chose valley over vancouver now they must consider moving back where the actions are on free of gas infront of their doors,right rob a?</p>
<p>cafe,skirts,bikini&#8217;s,and the Canadaline,<br />
world famous shopping promenade,<br />
bussiness district wine,<br />
beach,resturant etc,<br />
or sit in or out of the library<br />
you will be fine<br />
every single task consider saving $5<br />
then count the total activities<br />
from work to the beach<br />
then multiply by 30/31 days of month<br />
- inflation=no inflation.<br />
From cambie to davie<br />
from west side granville to robson<br />
denman to english bay<br />
form burrard to millville<br />
from yaletown to gastown<br />
from west hasting to stanley park<br />
ladies and gentlemens<br />
Vancouver peninsula<br />
is a place of action<br />
<b>&#8220;THE BEST PLACE TO BE&#8221;-right rob a?
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		<title>By: -A-</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20534</link>
		<dc:creator>-A-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the fact the greedy fools are missing all the signals, and aren’t yet fleeing the market like rats out of a sinking ship.

The inventory glut is building because the market is scraping from the bottom of the barrel for new entrants into the Ponzi scheme.

It will be out of the seller’s hands, there will be virtually no market left for the inflated boxes, but they will still hang on to the hope that next spring the market will pick up, while more boxes get built.

The only way they can keep this illusion afloat for a while longer is if they can engineer a 65 year mortgage and sell it to the prepubescent foreign investors.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20534"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">I like the fact the greedy fools are missing all the signals, and aren’t yet fleeing the market like rats out of a sinking ship.</p>
<p>The inventory glut is building because the market is scraping from the bottom of the barrel for new entrants into the Ponzi scheme.</p>
<p>It will be out of the seller’s hands, there will be virtually no market left for the inflated boxes, but they will still hang on to the hope that next spring the market will pick up, while more boxes get built.</p>
<p>The only way they can keep this illusion afloat for a while longer is if they can engineer a 65 year mortgage and sell it to the prepubescent foreign investors.
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		<title>By: dingus</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20533</link>
		<dc:creator>dingus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"you should move downtown if you work their!"

Buoy, dew eye here ewe!&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20533"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">&#8220;you should move downtown if you work their!&#8221;</p>
<p>Buoy, dew eye here ewe!
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20532</link>
		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have added.

The government tracks price when quality/price goes down.

But when quality/price goes up they insist on tracking quality.

They're only too happy to substitute hamburger for steaks when meat prices are rising.  But as computer quality rises they track 'quality' and say a basic model computer today is worth twice as much as a few years ago.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20532"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">I should have added.</p>
<p>The government tracks price when quality/price goes down.</p>
<p>But when quality/price goes up they insist on tracking quality.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re only too happy to substitute hamburger for steaks when meat prices are rising.  But as computer quality rises they track &#8216;quality&#8217; and say a basic model computer today is worth twice as much as a few years ago.
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		<title>By: freemarket</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20531</link>
		<dc:creator>freemarket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so much for free market eh?  look at what it brought us, speculators that do nothing but run up prices on houses, fuel and food.  now the whole world is suffering because there are some people are making a lot of money from things that are not worth as much as they are paid for.  someone remind me again how much these gas companies are making?  free market is based on supply and demand and for the last decade we're always victims of artificial shortages which drive prices up.  maybe its time we adopt a new ideology because both socialism and capitalism just wouldn't work in our world today.  that is until people start to figure out how to abuse the next one.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20531"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">so much for free market eh?  look at what it brought us, speculators that do nothing but run up prices on houses, fuel and food.  now the whole world is suffering because there are some people are making a lot of money from things that are not worth as much as they are paid for.  someone remind me again how much these gas companies are making?  free market is based on supply and demand and for the last decade we&#8217;re always victims of artificial shortages which drive prices up.  maybe its time we adopt a new ideology because both socialism and capitalism just wouldn&#8217;t work in our world today.  that is until people start to figure out how to abuse the next one.
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20530</link>
		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"In principal, there should be some adjustment as goods improve."

I disagree.  Mostly because as soon as you allow wiggle room you're opening the floodgates.

Computers are a great example.  If a student needs a laptop computer for their university education they'd buy a system twice as good today as they would have two or three years ago.  They'd pay the same amount but the government says because the RAM and CPU are twice as powerful the cost of that computer has actually deflated by 50% or so.

It's just a cheat to artificially lower inflation rates, the primary purpose of which is to cheat people out of their pensions and 'cost of living' wage increases.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20530"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">&#8220;In principal, there should be some adjustment as goods improve.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree.  Mostly because as soon as you allow wiggle room you&#8217;re opening the floodgates.</p>
<p>Computers are a great example.  If a student needs a laptop computer for their university education they&#8217;d buy a system twice as good today as they would have two or three years ago.  They&#8217;d pay the same amount but the government says because the RAM and CPU are twice as powerful the cost of that computer has actually deflated by 50% or so.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a cheat to artificially lower inflation rates, the primary purpose of which is to cheat people out of their pensions and &#8216;cost of living&#8217; wage increases.
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		<title>By: blueskies</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20529</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;you should move downtown if you work their!&lt;/i&gt;

  rob a
there is no their there!
they are where their there is&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20529"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><i>you should move downtown if you work their!</i></p>
<p>  rob a<br />
there is no their there!<br />
they are where their there is
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		<title>By: scc</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/06/canadian-inflation-22.html#comment-20528</link>
		<dc:creator>scc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hedonic regression or hedonic demand theory is the economic term for this. In principal, there should be some adjustment as goods improve. 

The problem rests is the conflict of interest the government has in determining this number (indexed entitlement payments, TIPS, etc.)&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20528"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-">Hedonic regression or hedonic demand theory is the economic term for this. In principal, there should be some adjustment as goods improve. </p>
<p>The problem rests is the conflict of interest the government has in determining this number (indexed entitlement payments, TIPS, etc.)
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		<dc:creator>exx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/story.html?id=fe0889f4-edaf-4412-8f5e-c3b0b63ead6a" rel="nofollow"&gt;Western Forest Products lays off 2,000 workers&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Cedar has been one of the few B.C. forest products where demand has remained strong but it is beginning to soften, Western said. Other markets – the U.S. and Japan – remain weak.

The Western announcement pushes the number of unemployed B.C. forest workers up to more than 12,000. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-20527"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="ckarma_body-"><a href="http://www.canada.com/globaltv/bc/story.html?id=fe0889f4-edaf-4412-8f5e-c3b0b63ead6a" rel="nofollow">Western Forest Products lays off 2,000 workers</a></p>
<p><i>Cedar has been one of the few B.C. forest products where demand has remained strong but it is beginning to soften, Western said. Other markets – the U.S. and Japan – remain weak.</p>
<p>The Western announcement pushes the number of unemployed B.C. forest workers up to more than 12,000. </i>
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