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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/07/friday-free-for-all-31.html#comment-23484</link>
		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Gadwin&lt;/b&gt;

A lot of it will expire.  Most people take out a three month contract with their selling agent.  Often after those three months are up they will drop the listing if they don&#039;t have pressure on them to make the sale (re-locating for a job, death, or inability to pay the mortgage).&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23484&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Gadwin</b></p>
<p>A lot of it will expire.  Most people take out a three month contract with their selling agent.  Often after those three months are up they will drop the listing if they don&#8217;t have pressure on them to make the sale (re-locating for a job, death, or inability to pay the mortgage).
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		<title>By: Gadwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is going to buy up all that inventory?  That&#039;s 20K inventory that needs to be absorbed.  And the supply is growing every day.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23462&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is going to buy up all that inventory?  That&#8217;s 20K inventory that needs to be absorbed.  And the supply is growing every day.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well another leg on the stool has been sawn off. How long can it remain standing up?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080727.wtourismwoes0727/BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostview&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;Perfect storm&#039; hits Canada&#039;s tourism market&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;TORONTO — A summer of record oil prices, a strong Canadian dollar and a slowing world economy are creating a “perfect storm” that&#039;s putting a dent in Canada&#039;s tourism market this summer, industry officials say.

Canada&#039;s three major tourist destinations — Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver — all reported noticeable declines in visitors in July, and experts say it&#039;s because of a myriad of factors.&quot;&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23461&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well another leg on the stool has been sawn off. How long can it remain standing up?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080727.wtourismwoes0727/BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostview" rel="nofollow">&#8216;Perfect storm&#8217; hits Canada&#8217;s tourism market</a></p>
<p>&#8220;TORONTO — A summer of record oil prices, a strong Canadian dollar and a slowing world economy are creating a “perfect storm” that&#8217;s putting a dent in Canada&#8217;s tourism market this summer, industry officials say.</p>
<p>Canada&#8217;s three major tourist destinations — Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver — all reported noticeable declines in visitors in July, and experts say it&#8217;s because of a myriad of factors.&#8221;
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/07/friday-free-for-all-31.html#comment-23460</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/opinion/28krugman.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Another Temporary Fix&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;Before I get to that, let’s be clear about one thing: Even if this bill succeeds in its aims, heading off a severe credit contraction and helping some homeowners avoid foreclosure, it won’t change the fact that this decade’s double bubble, in housing prices and loose lending, has been a disaster for millions of Americans.

After all, the new bill will, at best, make a modest dent in the rate of foreclosures. And it does nothing at all for those who aren’t in danger of losing their houses but are seeing much if not all of their net worth wiped out — a particularly bitter blow to Americans who are nearing retirement, or thought they were until they discovered that they couldn’t afford to stop working.&quot;

I&#039;m rather confused about the last sentence. Krugman has correctly called the housing bubble since 2005 - which means that the price of housing is inflated and must revert to fundamental valuation. And yet he talks as though there is something the government can do to stop that from happening.

A house is only worth what you can rent it out for, and people had better get that through their heads. Bubble valuations were an illusion.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23460&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/opinion/28krugman.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">Another Temporary Fix</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Before I get to that, let’s be clear about one thing: Even if this bill succeeds in its aims, heading off a severe credit contraction and helping some homeowners avoid foreclosure, it won’t change the fact that this decade’s double bubble, in housing prices and loose lending, has been a disaster for millions of Americans.</p>
<p>After all, the new bill will, at best, make a modest dent in the rate of foreclosures. And it does nothing at all for those who aren’t in danger of losing their houses but are seeing much if not all of their net worth wiped out — a particularly bitter blow to Americans who are nearing retirement, or thought they were until they discovered that they couldn’t afford to stop working.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rather confused about the last sentence. Krugman has correctly called the housing bubble since 2005 &#8211; which means that the price of housing is inflated and must revert to fundamental valuation. And yet he talks as though there is something the government can do to stop that from happening.</p>
<p>A house is only worth what you can rent it out for, and people had better get that through their heads. Bubble valuations were an illusion.
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and Saskatoon house prices have just started to go down.  50 sales last week, over 1,500 listings.  Prices predicted to go down 10 to 20% over next year.  Buying Saskatoon for investment kind of dumb move.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23459&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and Saskatoon house prices have just started to go down.  50 sales last week, over 1,500 listings.  Prices predicted to go down 10 to 20% over next year.  Buying Saskatoon for investment kind of dumb move.
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least Vancouver is still growing.  After a couple years of moderate population growth, apparently Saskatoon has lost 2,000 people as of late.  Over a time when housing prices doubled, and demand went down.  For a much smaller city, Saskatoon has 1,500 existing places for sale on MLS, 400 on one additional private website, and a few hundred more in bedroom communities.  Now more expensive to live in Saskatoon than: Edmonton, Red Deer, Abbotsford, Chilliwack, Regina or anywhere in Manitoba

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/story.html?id=4c0536a2-24b0-40d6-9cc7-e87c286159a9&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23458&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least Vancouver is still growing.  After a couple years of moderate population growth, apparently Saskatoon has lost 2,000 people as of late.  Over a time when housing prices doubled, and demand went down.  For a much smaller city, Saskatoon has 1,500 existing places for sale on MLS, 400 on one additional private website, and a few hundred more in bedroom communities.  Now more expensive to live in Saskatoon than: Edmonton, Red Deer, Abbotsford, Chilliwack, Regina or anywhere in Manitoba</p>
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		<title>By: Deliverator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deliverator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Forced relocation, which what this basically is, rarely has the right effects. Solve the problem at the source: provide properly funded housing, drug treatment, and psychiatric care. Other cities have done this with great success.&lt;/i&gt;

Do you honestly think those people in the DTES were borne there? Is there a Vancouver-raised French-speaking population at Main and Hastings I&#039;m not aware of? Those people relocated themselves to the DTES to partake in the, ahem, &#039;culture&#039; there.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23457&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Forced relocation, which what this basically is, rarely has the right effects. Solve the problem at the source: provide properly funded housing, drug treatment, and psychiatric care. Other cities have done this with great success.</i></p>
<p>Do you honestly think those people in the DTES were borne there? Is there a Vancouver-raised French-speaking population at Main and Hastings I&#8217;m not aware of? Those people relocated themselves to the DTES to partake in the, ahem, &#8216;culture&#8217; there.
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		<title>By: M-</title>
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		<dc:creator>M-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franko: I presume you&#039;re talking about Westwood Plateau.  The last time I visited there was a month or two ago, and I was blown away at the number of realtor trees.  The number of open house signs on almost every streetcorner is mind-boggling.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23441&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franko: I presume you&#8217;re talking about Westwood Plateau.  The last time I visited there was a month or two ago, and I was blown away at the number of realtor trees.  The number of open house signs on almost every streetcorner is mind-boggling.
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		<title>By: Clam Chowder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clam Chowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know they are a developer they also market and sale their own product instead of relying on an outside company such as Rennie or Mac. Bosa does the same.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23438&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know they are a developer they also market and sale their own product instead of relying on an outside company such as Rennie or Mac. Bosa does the same.
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		<title>By: franko</title>
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		<dc:creator>franko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know what that hillside north of Coqitlam is called, but took a drive through there and could not believe the number of &quot;for sale&quot; signs....I WAS GENUINELY SHOCKED!

WTF is going on there?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23437&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know what that hillside north of Coqitlam is called, but took a drive through there and could not believe the number of &#8220;for sale&#8221; signs&#8230;.I WAS GENUINELY SHOCKED!</p>
<p>WTF is going on there?
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concord Pacific is a developer Chowder.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23436&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concord Pacific is a developer Chowder.
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		<title>By: Clam Chowder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clam Chowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow didn&#039;t know Bob Rennie had anything do to with TV Towers, might want to let Concord Pacific know as they thought they marketed that project. 
Pretty sure the Woodward people aren&#039;t panicking too bad either as there isn&#039;t too many of the 500+ units up for sale.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23435&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow didn&#8217;t know Bob Rennie had anything do to with TV Towers, might want to let Concord Pacific know as they thought they marketed that project.<br />
Pretty sure the Woodward people aren&#8217;t panicking too bad either as there isn&#8217;t too many of the 500+ units up for sale.
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		<title>By: Real Estabe Bull/but everyone knows who I am</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Estabe Bull/but everyone knows who I am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real Estabe Bull/but everyone knows who I am { 07.27.08 at 11:39 am } Of course, that’s the Americans. Reckless, mad — them and their crazy subprime mortgage disaster. Our banks would never be so irresponsible.

Then, I looked at the Evening Herald quote from the Dublin County Sheriff, who is responsible for evictions, talking about the increasing numbers of people who can’t pay their debts. “There is a massive amount coming down the tracks. If it is all to be dealt with on a repossession basis, there will be an awful bloody mess.”

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/raise-a-glass-of-best-chateau-sucker-1441646.html

Newsflash, tqn, satv, does the above sound familiar to you?

Your comment is awaiting moderation.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23434&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real Estabe Bull/but everyone knows who I am { 07.27.08 at 11:39 am } Of course, that’s the Americans. Reckless, mad — them and their crazy subprime mortgage disaster. Our banks would never be so irresponsible.</p>
<p>Then, I looked at the Evening Herald quote from the Dublin County Sheriff, who is responsible for evictions, talking about the increasing numbers of people who can’t pay their debts. “There is a massive amount coming down the tracks. If it is all to be dealt with on a repossession basis, there will be an awful bloody mess.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/raise-a-glass-of-best-chateau-sucker-1441646.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.ie/opin.....41646.html</a></p>
<p>Newsflash, tqn, satv, does the above sound familiar to you?</p>
<p>Your comment is awaiting moderation.
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		<title>By: Brittanny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thumbs up 2 #88. Yes I can afford more haircuts now. Sold Dec 2007 Townhouse. Same unit with more updates now ASKING $31000.00 less. Maybe you would like to buy it before you are priced out forever?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23433&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thumbs up 2 #88. Yes I can afford more haircuts now. Sold Dec 2007 Townhouse. Same unit with more updates now ASKING $31000.00 less. Maybe you would like to buy it before you are priced out forever?
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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&#039;Perfect storm&#039; hits Canada&#039;s tourism market

TORONTO — A summer of record oil prices, a strong Canadian dollar and a slowing world economy are creating a “perfect storm” that&#039;s putting a dent in Canada&#039;s tourism market this summer, industry officials say.

Canada&#039;s three major tourist destinations — Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver — all reported noticeable declines in visitors in July, and experts say it&#039;s because of a myriad of factors.

Montreal officials expect roughly 7.8 million tourists this summer, bringing in nearly $2.7-billion, but that&#039;s down compared to other years, said John Dunn, executive vice-president of Tourisme Montreal.

“We&#039;re suffering the perfect storm right now,” said Mr. Dunn. “We&#039;ve got high gas prices, high dollar, American passport regulations and a slowing economy. So there&#039;s nothing worse for the tourism economy than all those things put together.”
A Toronto double decker sight-seeing tour bus sits empty up top as it roams the city earlier this year.

Although visits from Europe and South America are on the rise, those tourists have been unable to fill the void left by the Americans choosing to stay home because of a sluggish economy and high gas prices, he added.

Vancouver, which usually attracts around 8.7 million tourists a year and $3.7-billion in visitor spending, has seen six per cent fewer Americans this year compared to last.

Stretched over the course of the year, that number is significant, said Walt Judas of Tourism Vancouver.

“We&#039;re talking between 150,000 to 200,000 overnight visitors from the U.S., which is a substantial number,” he said.

Tourism in Canada is an integral part of economy, accounting for $28.6-billion of the country&#039;s gross domestic product in 2007, said Greg Klassen, vice-president of marketing for the Canadian Tourism Commission.

“(Tourism) is as big a contribution to the GDP of Canada as forestry, fishing and agriculture combined,” said Mr. Klassen.

“It&#039;s a massive impact but it&#039;s spread out across the country.”

The effect of high gas prices on tourism this summer won&#039;t be known for some time, but there&#039;s no doubt there will be an impact on both air and car travel, he added.

“I think by the end of the summer we&#039;ll look backwards and be able to isolate the fuel costs,” Mr. Klassen said.

Toronto, which attracted 10.6 million visitors and more than $4-billion in tourist spending in 2007, saw encouraging early summer figures in 2008, but has since tailed off, said Andrew Weir of Tourism Toronto.

“We&#039;re cautiously optimistic for the remainder of the summer, but we know it&#039;s been a difficult period for some tourism businesses,” he said.

The latest Statistics Canada numbers on travellers are from May 2008 and show that in the first five months of the year, nearly one million fewer visitors entered the country compared to 2007, a decline of more than 10 per cent.

In May alone, nearly 200,000 fewer tourists entered the country compared to the same month in 2007, a drop of seven per cent.

By contrast, more Canadians are choosing a vacation abroad.

Between January and May, nearly 2.5 million more Canadians left the country than did during the same period in 2007, a jump of almost 13 per cent.

A strong dollar means more Canadians leaving, and not enough tourists — mainly Americans — are arriving, said Mr. Klassen.

“Our travel deficit is ballooning,” he said. “It&#039;s a huge concern.”

Meanwhile, parts of the Maritimes have fared marginally better than the rest of the country, with Nova Scotia seeing a slight increase in tourists for the year up to May 2008, but those numbers include visitors for the World Hockey Championships held in Halifax.

Another concern is the unpredictable weather central Canada has experienced this summer, Mr. Klassen said. Toronto has seen its wettest summer on record and Quebec City&#039;s 400th anniversary has been a largely soggy affair.

Even sports haven&#039;t been immune, as the 2008 RBC Canadian Open in Oakville, Ont., had its first round delayed by heavy rain on Thursday and also saw a nearly three-hour delay on Saturday.

Although international airline travellers book well in advance, it&#039;s the short-term travellers who might be affected by rainy weather, said Mr. Klassen.

“If someone&#039;s planning a weekend trip from Montreal to Quebec City or Detroit to Toronto, weather outlooks can have an impact,” he said.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23424&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>&#8216;Perfect storm&#8217; hits Canada&#8217;s tourism market</p>
<p>TORONTO — A summer of record oil prices, a strong Canadian dollar and a slowing world economy are creating a “perfect storm” that&#8217;s putting a dent in Canada&#8217;s tourism market this summer, industry officials say.</p>
<p>Canada&#8217;s three major tourist destinations — Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver — all reported noticeable declines in visitors in July, and experts say it&#8217;s because of a myriad of factors.</p>
<p>Montreal officials expect roughly 7.8 million tourists this summer, bringing in nearly $2.7-billion, but that&#8217;s down compared to other years, said John Dunn, executive vice-president of Tourisme Montreal.</p>
<p>“We&#8217;re suffering the perfect storm right now,” said Mr. Dunn. “We&#8217;ve got high gas prices, high dollar, American passport regulations and a slowing economy. So there&#8217;s nothing worse for the tourism economy than all those things put together.”<br />
A Toronto double decker sight-seeing tour bus sits empty up top as it roams the city earlier this year.</p>
<p>Although visits from Europe and South America are on the rise, those tourists have been unable to fill the void left by the Americans choosing to stay home because of a sluggish economy and high gas prices, he added.</p>
<p>Vancouver, which usually attracts around 8.7 million tourists a year and $3.7-billion in visitor spending, has seen six per cent fewer Americans this year compared to last.</p>
<p>Stretched over the course of the year, that number is significant, said Walt Judas of Tourism Vancouver.</p>
<p>“We&#8217;re talking between 150,000 to 200,000 overnight visitors from the U.S., which is a substantial number,” he said.</p>
<p>Tourism in Canada is an integral part of economy, accounting for $28.6-billion of the country&#8217;s gross domestic product in 2007, said Greg Klassen, vice-president of marketing for the Canadian Tourism Commission.</p>
<p>“(Tourism) is as big a contribution to the GDP of Canada as forestry, fishing and agriculture combined,” said Mr. Klassen.</p>
<p>“It&#8217;s a massive impact but it&#8217;s spread out across the country.”</p>
<p>The effect of high gas prices on tourism this summer won&#8217;t be known for some time, but there&#8217;s no doubt there will be an impact on both air and car travel, he added.</p>
<p>“I think by the end of the summer we&#8217;ll look backwards and be able to isolate the fuel costs,” Mr. Klassen said.</p>
<p>Toronto, which attracted 10.6 million visitors and more than $4-billion in tourist spending in 2007, saw encouraging early summer figures in 2008, but has since tailed off, said Andrew Weir of Tourism Toronto.</p>
<p>“We&#8217;re cautiously optimistic for the remainder of the summer, but we know it&#8217;s been a difficult period for some tourism businesses,” he said.</p>
<p>The latest Statistics Canada numbers on travellers are from May 2008 and show that in the first five months of the year, nearly one million fewer visitors entered the country compared to 2007, a decline of more than 10 per cent.</p>
<p>In May alone, nearly 200,000 fewer tourists entered the country compared to the same month in 2007, a drop of seven per cent.</p>
<p>By contrast, more Canadians are choosing a vacation abroad.</p>
<p>Between January and May, nearly 2.5 million more Canadians left the country than did during the same period in 2007, a jump of almost 13 per cent.</p>
<p>A strong dollar means more Canadians leaving, and not enough tourists — mainly Americans — are arriving, said Mr. Klassen.</p>
<p>“Our travel deficit is ballooning,” he said. “It&#8217;s a huge concern.”</p>
<p>Meanwhile, parts of the Maritimes have fared marginally better than the rest of the country, with Nova Scotia seeing a slight increase in tourists for the year up to May 2008, but those numbers include visitors for the World Hockey Championships held in Halifax.</p>
<p>Another concern is the unpredictable weather central Canada has experienced this summer, Mr. Klassen said. Toronto has seen its wettest summer on record and Quebec City&#8217;s 400th anniversary has been a largely soggy affair.</p>
<p>Even sports haven&#8217;t been immune, as the 2008 RBC Canadian Open in Oakville, Ont., had its first round delayed by heavy rain on Thursday and also saw a nearly three-hour delay on Saturday.</p>
<p>Although international airline travellers book well in advance, it&#8217;s the short-term travellers who might be affected by rainy weather, said Mr. Klassen.</p>
<p>“If someone&#8217;s planning a weekend trip from Montreal to Quebec City or Detroit to Toronto, weather outlooks can have an impact,” he said.
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		<title>By: Infamous but not stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infamous but not stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the quote of the week:

&quot;“In Vancouver sellers are fool and buyers are smart”-Christina Aguilera&quot;

Excuse my french.. WTF???
Isnt she the dye blonde dancer/singer?  LOL&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23423&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the quote of the week:</p>
<p>&#8220;“In Vancouver sellers are fool and buyers are smart”-Christina Aguilera&#8221;</p>
<p>Excuse my french.. WTF???<br />
Isnt she the dye blonde dancer/singer?  LOL
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		<title>By: ProblemBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProblemBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scullboy,

I think you would love the military!  Not only do they march in pride pride parades now, but they fight religious extremism in Afghanistan.  Just think, after you have finished your tour of duty over there, you can go right to work on the Fraser Valley.  It will do wonders for the daily numbers!

Happy Pride!

Yep, the name really is a double entendre&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23422&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scullboy,</p>
<p>I think you would love the military!  Not only do they march in pride pride parades now, but they fight religious extremism in Afghanistan.  Just think, after you have finished your tour of duty over there, you can go right to work on the Fraser Valley.  It will do wonders for the daily numbers!</p>
<p>Happy Pride!</p>
<p>Yep, the name really is a double entendre
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		<title>By: ReductiMat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReductiMat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did he coerce people to buy at Woodward&#039;s?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23419&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did he coerce people to buy at Woodward&#8217;s?
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		<title>By: pooo</title>
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		<dc:creator>pooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think someone should expose bob rennie when the market crashes and get then some owners of woodwards with the camera crew to surround him and ask him why he lost all their money, and then start chucking eggs at him, and telling him hes a peice of sht, and then start running after him down the street chucking octopusses at him so he smells like food, then the seagulls will come and snipe at him, then all the foolish buyers can laugh at him, then at night all those buyers will be so pissed that they still are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars and then rennie will cozy up to his tens of millions of dollars in his bed and start making love to it.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23418&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think someone should expose bob rennie when the market crashes and get then some owners of woodwards with the camera crew to surround him and ask him why he lost all their money, and then start chucking eggs at him, and telling him hes a peice of sht, and then start running after him down the street chucking octopusses at him so he smells like food, then the seagulls will come and snipe at him, then all the foolish buyers can laugh at him, then at night all those buyers will be so pissed that they still are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars and then rennie will cozy up to his tens of millions of dollars in his bed and start making love to it.
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		<title>By: pooo</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/07/friday-free-for-all-31.html#comment-23417</link>
		<dc:creator>pooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23417&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/07/friday-free-for-all-31.html#comment-23416</link>
		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Metro Vancouver real estate is on an express elevator to hell, going down!&quot;

Somebody wake up Pope!


How many drops is this for you Rennie?

Seventeen...  Simulated.

How many &lt;b&gt;combat&lt;/b&gt; drops?

One, including this one...


(sorry I got swept up in the moment)&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23416&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Metro Vancouver real estate is on an express elevator to hell, going down!&#8221;</p>
<p>Somebody wake up Pope!</p>
<p>How many drops is this for you Rennie?</p>
<p>Seventeen&#8230;  Simulated.</p>
<p>How many <b>combat</b> drops?</p>
<p>One, including this one&#8230;</p>
<p>(sorry I got swept up in the moment)
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		<title>By: Thums up</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Prices will fall for decades to come&quot; Mat Damon

&quot;I told anyone who matters to me to sell all their property&quot; Ton Criuse

&quot;Wisemans already sold and dum warehouse worker buy now&quot; Stefan Harber

&quot;if stupid buy in north yaletown rich get richer and warehouse worker get poor for decades to come&quot; B.Renee

&quot;buy gold today and get rich&quot; krish2

&quot;negative equity and capital loss good for richer get richer&quot;&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23401&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Prices will fall for decades to come&#8221; Mat Damon</p>
<p>&#8220;I told anyone who matters to me to sell all their property&#8221; Ton Criuse</p>
<p>&#8220;Wisemans already sold and dum warehouse worker buy now&#8221; Stefan Harber</p>
<p>&#8220;if stupid buy in north yaletown rich get richer and warehouse worker get poor for decades to come&#8221; B.Renee</p>
<p>&#8220;buy gold today and get rich&#8221; krish2</p>
<p>&#8220;negative equity and capital loss good for richer get richer&#8221;
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		<title>By: VancouverGuy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thums up just said prices are going to fall...&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23400&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thums up just said prices are going to fall&#8230;
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		<title>By: condohype</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metro Vancouver real estate is on an express elevator to hell, going down!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23399&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metro Vancouver real estate is on an express elevator to hell, going down!
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		<title>By: Thums up2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SELLERS ARE FOOL AND BUYERS ARE SMART

Biding bar has shift towards rental market from buying and selling.I think last few moments for discount unless sellers realise the rental spin then the sitting out idiots will jump in like &quot;smart buyers&quot;

Despite a dip in home sales, inventories will soon edge lower as home sellers adjust their asking prices to reflect market conditions listing will be disappear as soon sellers realise their dumbest mistake ever sellers going to pull back their units and sitting out idiots or sold out cheaters  going to run back to buy what ever unit will be available in the market.

In response to Brittanny #37 since she has sold her house last year so far brittany got 75% hair cut
http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/images/Pic1282.jpg Hey Brittanny get back to market and get back your hair style then together.

Ah we can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind
Cause your friends dont dance and if they dont dance
Well theyre are no friends of mine
I say, we can go where we want to, a place where they will never find
And we can act like we come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind,
And we can dance..........

&lt;b&gt;&quot;In Vancouver sellers are fool and buyers are smart&quot;-Christina Aguilera&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-23398&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Biding bar has shift towards rental market from buying and selling.I think last few moments for discount unless sellers realise the rental spin then the sitting out idiots will jump in like &#8220;smart buyers&#8221;</p>
<p>Despite a dip in home sales, inventories will soon edge lower as home sellers adjust their asking prices to reflect market conditions listing will be disappear as soon sellers realise their dumbest mistake ever sellers going to pull back their units and sitting out idiots or sold out cheaters  going to run back to buy what ever unit will be available in the market.</p>
<p>In response to Brittanny #37 since she has sold her house last year so far brittany got 75% hair cut<br />
<a href="http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/images/Pic1282.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.killsometime.com/Pi.....ic1282.jpg</a> Hey Brittanny get back to market and get back your hair style then together.</p>
<p>Ah we can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind<br />
Cause your friends dont dance and if they dont dance<br />
Well theyre are no friends of mine<br />
I say, we can go where we want to, a place where they will never find<br />
And we can act like we come from out of this world<br />
Leave the real one far behind,<br />
And we can dance&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;In Vancouver sellers are fool and buyers are smart&#8221;-Christina Aguilera
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