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		<title>By: Rob A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFL, 
 
&quot;No. It tells us that these developers were betting that the market would go up long enough for them to cash out.&quot; 
 
You are saying the same thing as I am you moron.  You aren&#039;t disagreeing with you you are agreeing me.  The fact that builders aren&#039;t cashing out shows that experts with a vested intrest think the market is good in the long/medium term.  Hence it is a bullish story.  Maybe they are wrong, maybe they aren&#039;t, but you agree with me when I say all the people seeing this story as a sign of the apocolypse are morons. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFL,</p>
<p>&quot;No. It tells us that these developers were betting that the market would go up long enough for them to cash out.&quot;</p>
<p>You are saying the same thing as I am you moron.  You aren&#039;t disagreeing with you you are agreeing me.  The fact that builders aren&#039;t cashing out shows that experts with a vested intrest think the market is good in the long/medium term.  Hence it is a bullish story.  Maybe they are wrong, maybe they aren&#039;t, but you agree with me when I say all the people seeing this story as a sign of the apocolypse are morons.</p>
<p>Glad we are on the same page, lol.
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		<title>By: Vanguy</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/08/the-rental-backup-plan.html#comment-24622</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, somebody stole my name. 
 
anyway... 
 
&quot;had someone in that sales office playing solitaire on the computer every day for more than a year.&quot; 
 
That&#039;s so 1995, wouldn&#039;t the bored sales agent spend the day keeping their Facebook up to date? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24622&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, somebody stole my name.</p>
<p>anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>&quot;had someone in that sales office playing solitaire on the computer every day for more than a year.&quot;</p>
<p>That&#039;s so 1995, wouldn&#039;t the bored sales agent spend the day keeping their Facebook up to date?
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		<title>By: crabman</title>
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		<dc:creator>crabman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob A said: 
&lt;i&gt;So you guys are saying that renting out a condo is bad economics.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
With the current yields, yes.  Even with 50% down, you will have negative cash flow! 
 
&lt;i&gt;Then why are developers renting out units?&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Because they aren&#039;t selling. 
 
&lt;i&gt;The reason that builders are putting units for rent is that they are long term realestate bulls. They are taking a short term loss to maintain their long term payoff.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
No. They can&#039;t sell them, and they can&#039;t afford to leave them empty. Some income is better than none. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Softlanding, pause in the market, whatever. That is what this story is telling us.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
No. It tells us that these developers were betting that the market would go up long enough for them to cash out.  They were wrong. 
 
&lt;i&gt;Jeez, u ppl can&#8217;t even come up with a consistent model for the world, lmao.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Keep laughing Rob, but remember - he who laughs last laughs best!  :) &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24615&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob A said:</p>
<p><i>So you guys are saying that renting out a condo is bad economics.</i></p>
<p>With the current yields, yes.  Even with 50% down, you will have negative cash flow!</p>
<p><i>Then why are developers renting out units?</i></p>
<p>Because they aren&#039;t selling.</p>
<p><i>The reason that builders are putting units for rent is that they are long term realestate bulls. They are taking a short term loss to maintain their long term payoff.</i></p>
<p>No. They can&#039;t sell them, and they can&#039;t afford to leave them empty. Some income is better than none.</p>
<p><i>Softlanding, pause in the market, whatever. That is what this story is telling us.</i></p>
<p>No. It tells us that these developers were betting that the market would go up long enough for them to cash out.  They were wrong.</p>
<p><i>Jeez, u ppl can&rsquo;t even come up with a consistent model for the world, lmao.</i></p>
<p>Keep laughing Rob, but remember &#8211; he who laughs last laughs best!  <img src='http://vancouvercondo.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: markx</title>
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		<dc:creator>markx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, there&#039;s already a name for it.  It&#039;s call &quot;repartment&quot;.  The reverse of going condo.  This will be the very very beginning.  Next come the rigged auctions by developers, then the bank auction at foreclosure proceedings, then rigged REO auctions, then bank collapses, then taxpayer bailouts, etc. 
 
Ah, the anticipation. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24607&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, there&#039;s already a name for it.  It&#039;s call &quot;repartment&quot;.  The reverse of going condo.  This will be the very very beginning.  Next come the rigged auctions by developers, then the bank auction at foreclosure proceedings, then rigged REO auctions, then bank collapses, then taxpayer bailouts, etc.</p>
<p>Ah, the anticipation.
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rental prices are dropping too. Sorry if that&#039;s been said already. Going through Craigslist, I see some definite patterns. 
 
I noticed one condo for sale that has dropped the price $11,000 in month: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/rfs?query=%221177%20Hornby%22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/rfs?quer...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24605&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rental prices are dropping too. Sorry if that&#039;s been said already. Going through Craigslist, I see some definite patterns.</p>
<p>I noticed one condo for sale that has dropped the price $11,000 in month:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/rfs?query=%221177%20Hornby%22" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/rfs?quer" rel="nofollow">http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/search/rfs?quer</a>&#8230;
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		<title>By: Bluesman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some cool graphs from the IMF comparing the housing debt to GDP for various countries: 
 
(This one is more current - April 2008) 
 
&quot;The sharp weakening of the housing sector 
in several advanced economies over the past 
couple of years, and especially the financial turbulence 
triggered by increasing defaults in the 
subprime mortgage market in the United States, 
have raised concerns that, as a result of innovations 
in mortgage markets, the housing sector 
could be a source of macroeconomic instability.&quot; 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/5akhnb&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/5akhnb&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24603&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some cool graphs from the IMF comparing the housing debt to GDP for various countries:</p>
<p>(This one is more current &#8211; April 2008)</p>
<p>&quot;The sharp weakening of the housing sector</p>
<p>in several advanced economies over the past</p>
<p>couple of years, and especially the financial turbulence</p>
<p>triggered by increasing defaults in the</p>
<p>subprime mortgage market in the United States,</p>
<p>have raised concerns that, as a result of innovations</p>
<p>in mortgage markets, the housing sector</p>
<p>could be a source of macroeconomic instability.&quot;</p>
<p>  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5akhnb" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5akhnb</a>
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		<title>By: Bluesman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an historical analysis (1950-1998) I found by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp (FDIC) on the relationship of home foreclosures to other various factors such as house appreciation rates and loan-to-value (LTV) rates which explain some, but not all of the variance.  Increased leveraging was the third hypothesis that was supported.   
 
Unemployment and interest rates fail to explain the foreclosure trend, so it appears that personal financial responsibility is more important than the state of the economy for explaining home foreclosure rates. 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/6ot8wj&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/6ot8wj&lt;/a&gt;  
 
You might be interested in looking at this. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an historical analysis (1950-1998) I found by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp (FDIC) on the relationship of home foreclosures to other various factors such as house appreciation rates and loan-to-value (LTV) rates which explain some, but not all of the variance.  Increased leveraging was the third hypothesis that was supported.  </p>
<p>Unemployment and interest rates fail to explain the foreclosure trend, so it appears that personal financial responsibility is more important than the state of the economy for explaining home foreclosure rates.</p>
<p>  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6ot8wj" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6ot8wj</a>  </p>
<p>You might be interested in looking at this.</p>
<p>Please comment.
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		<title>By: scoop</title>
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		<dc:creator>scoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT - Sun says Vancouver prices are negative YOY: 
 
&quot;The result was Vancouver home prices actually fell 0.7 per cent in July from a year earlier, though it is still the most expensive market in the country with an average price of $575,730.&quot; 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/5kth4b&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/5kth4b&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24601&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT &#8211; Sun says Vancouver prices are negative YOY:</p>
<p>&quot;The result was Vancouver home prices actually fell 0.7 per cent in July from a year earlier, though it is still the most expensive market in the country with an average price of $575,730.&quot;</p>
<p>  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5kth4b" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5kth4b</a>
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		<title>By: stagnate</title>
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		<dc:creator>stagnate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>partisan, i think that&#039;s a fake story, but if not his/her solution is simple. nothing down so no equity acrued. he/she is going to live a few months for free until the foreclosure runs its course and he/she has to leave. might as well rent out the other suite and stop paying the mortgage/strata fees on that one also. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24600&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>partisan, i think that&#039;s a fake story, but if not his/her solution is simple. nothing down so no equity acrued. he/she is going to live a few months for free until the foreclosure runs its course and he/she has to leave. might as well rent out the other suite and stop paying the mortgage/strata fees on that one also.
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		<title>By: Partisan Spectator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Partisan Spectator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Help needed! 
A co-worker narrated a weepy story and was asking for help. 
End of 2007 he bought two apartments in the same strata (one for himself and one for rent) and now he is facing a somewhat 40K assessment for two units combined for some costly repairs. He tried to get a loan or another mortgage from the bank, but as he has 0 down his request was declined. He is desperate as he can&#039;t cough up that sum and knows little what he should do next. Anybody could give a hint? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24599&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help needed!</p>
<p>A co-worker narrated a weepy story and was asking for help.</p>
<p>End of 2007 he bought two apartments in the same strata (one for himself and one for rent) and now he is facing a somewhat 40K assessment for two units combined for some costly repairs. He tried to get a loan or another mortgage from the bank, but as he has 0 down his request was declined. He is desperate as he can&#039;t cough up that sum and knows little what he should do next. Anybody could give a hint?
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