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	<description>Bubble? What Bubble?</description>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/09/economy-the-key-issue-in-this-election.html#comment-26955</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an interesting article from Merril Lynch.  http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iZKecWf3E7uf4utai070ArlP703g

Here&#039;s a response by Harper.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/09/24/canada-housing.html&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26955&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting article from Merril Lynch.  <a href="http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iZKecWf3E7uf4utai070ArlP703g" rel="nofollow">http://canadianpress.google.co.....70ArlP703g</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a response by Harper.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/09/24/canada-housing.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.....using.html</a>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/09/economy-the-key-issue-in-this-election.html#comment-26932</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said it before and I&#039;ll say it again. BC&#039;s economy is in tip top shape and it&#039;s because of the beach, the rain and rich asians. Condos have a big part to play in the booming BC economy too. Just drive out to the Okanagan and have some wine. We&#039;ve got salmon and crab too. It&#039;s the best place on earth and the economy knows it.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26932&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again. BC&#8217;s economy is in tip top shape and it&#8217;s because of the beach, the rain and rich asians. Condos have a big part to play in the booming BC economy too. Just drive out to the Okanagan and have some wine. We&#8217;ve got salmon and crab too. It&#8217;s the best place on earth and the economy knows it.
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		<title>By: Crabman_</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/09/economy-the-key-issue-in-this-election.html#comment-26927</link>
		<dc:creator>Crabman_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do you think that the canuck real estate bubble is smaller than the US?&lt;/i&gt;

No. From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080807.WBmarkets20080807142319/WBStory/WBmarkets/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Globe and Mail&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;The ratio of house prices to rents is now 25 per cent above the average. The ratio of house prices to incomes is also a troubling statistic: It is now about 4:1, meaning that the average house price is four-times the average household&#039;s annual income. During the previous cyclical peak, in 1989, the ratio topped out at 3.2:1. Even more troubling, the U.S. market topped out at 3.9:1 in 2006, just before doom set in.&lt;/i&gt;

RBC has the affordability of major Canadian markets since 1985 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rbc.com/economics/market/pdf/house.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. The following cities have record low affordability:

Saint John
Halifax
Saskatoon
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Victoria&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26927&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do you think that the canuck real estate bubble is smaller than the US?</i></p>
<p>No. From <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080807.WBmarkets20080807142319/WBStory/WBmarkets/" rel="nofollow">The Globe and Mail</a>:</p>
<p><i>The ratio of house prices to rents is now 25 per cent above the average. The ratio of house prices to incomes is also a troubling statistic: It is now about 4:1, meaning that the average house price is four-times the average household&#8217;s annual income. During the previous cyclical peak, in 1989, the ratio topped out at 3.2:1. Even more troubling, the U.S. market topped out at 3.9:1 in 2006, just before doom set in.</i></p>
<p>RBC has the affordability of major Canadian markets since 1985 <a href="http://www.rbc.com/economics/market/pdf/house.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>. The following cities have record low affordability:</p>
<p>Saint John<br />
Halifax<br />
Saskatoon<br />
Calgary<br />
Edmonton<br />
Vancouver<br />
Victoria
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		<title>By: Brittanny</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/09/economy-the-key-issue-in-this-election.html#comment-26918</link>
		<dc:creator>Brittanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friend of mine just got laid off who works for a company that makes large trucks for the construction industry. They were making 40 trucks a month. Now making 1 a month.
Just sayin.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26918&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friend of mine just got laid off who works for a company that makes large trucks for the construction industry. They were making 40 trucks a month. Now making 1 a month.<br />
Just sayin.
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/09/economy-the-key-issue-in-this-election.html#comment-26917</link>
		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks patriotz, I didn&#039;t have time to look up the issue of property rights in the US. 

Once again, it would be interesting to have some data to compare the two jurisdictions. Alas.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26917&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks patriotz, I didn&#8217;t have time to look up the issue of property rights in the US. </p>
<p>Once again, it would be interesting to have some data to compare the two jurisdictions. Alas.
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/09/economy-the-key-issue-in-this-election.html#comment-26915</link>
		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gadwin said:  Thanks ReductiMat. I wrote most of that post, except for the cited quotes and references. I’m surprised nobody is talking about Credit Default Swaps yet.

Not a big deal though. In time, everybody will learn and will be discussing Credit Default Swaps.

Gadwin, you are ahead of your time.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26915&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gadwin said:  Thanks ReductiMat. I wrote most of that post, except for the cited quotes and references. I’m surprised nobody is talking about Credit Default Swaps yet.</p>
<p>Not a big deal though. In time, everybody will learn and will be discussing Credit Default Swaps.</p>
<p>Gadwin, you are ahead of your time.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/09/economy-the-key-issue-in-this-election.html#comment-26914</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the link in #49:

&lt;i&gt;For the past 25 years we have lived through a glorious party.

We have all — governments, companies, banks and, of course, consumers — lived beyond our means and are paying the price.&lt;/i&gt;

There it is in a nutshell. The party is over. And nowhere has the party been more excessive than in BC.

Gordo&#039;s &quot;golden decade&quot; is going to end in the hangover of a lifetime. Think the 80&#039;s were bad? This is going to be a lot worse.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26914&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the link in #49:</p>
<p><i>For the past 25 years we have lived through a glorious party.</p>
<p>We have all — governments, companies, banks and, of course, consumers — lived beyond our means and are paying the price.</i></p>
<p>There it is in a nutshell. The party is over. And nowhere has the party been more excessive than in BC.</p>
<p>Gordo&#8217;s &#8220;golden decade&#8221; is going to end in the hangover of a lifetime. Think the 80&#8242;s were bad? This is going to be a lot worse.
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		<title>By: Time</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/09/economy-the-key-issue-in-this-election.html#comment-26913</link>
		<dc:creator>Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economy the key issue in this election?


*Approved immune system*Economy is not bad here *Unemployement rates are more than 30 year low*Child benefits are up*Income tax is down*Student loan is down/*Cdn university to offer free tuition for top students *Gst is down by 2%*Tax rebate for first time buyers is up*Increased amount of basic personal income /*save more by sharing with spouse*Interest rates are low.

When real estate bears complain about insane prices the above bundel is a relief for common people,I am not restricted to any political party but you can read the election result from the bundel above.

And oye that is my opinion so please do not yell at me like angry bear.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26913&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economy the key issue in this election?</p>
<p>*Approved immune system*Economy is not bad here *Unemployement rates are more than 30 year low*Child benefits are up*Income tax is down*Student loan is down/*Cdn university to offer free tuition for top students *Gst is down by 2%*Tax rebate for first time buyers is up*Increased amount of basic personal income /*save more by sharing with spouse*Interest rates are low.</p>
<p>When real estate bears complain about insane prices the above bundel is a relief for common people,I am not restricted to any political party but you can read the election result from the bundel above.</p>
<p>And oye that is my opinion so please do not yell at me like angry bear.
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		<title>By: Morally bankrupt</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/09/economy-the-key-issue-in-this-election.html#comment-26912</link>
		<dc:creator>Morally bankrupt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like thumbsucker2 think that this is all a game.  It&#039;s just numbers and words.  But words are powerful, and life is not a game.  Numbers represent real money to real people, most of whom struggle in various ways.  So thumbsucker2 or whoever you want to call yourself on a given day, take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself &quot;Is this asshole really me?&quot;  Maybe it&#039;s time to change?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26912&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like thumbsucker2 think that this is all a game.  It&#8217;s just numbers and words.  But words are powerful, and life is not a game.  Numbers represent real money to real people, most of whom struggle in various ways.  So thumbsucker2 or whoever you want to call yourself on a given day, take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself &#8220;Is this asshole really me?&#8221;  Maybe it&#8217;s time to change?
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/09/economy-the-key-issue-in-this-election.html#comment-26911</link>
		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apocalypse Now?: New world order could have devastating implications for Western nations

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1058601/Apocalypse-Now--New-world-order-devastating-implications-Western-nations.html&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26911&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apocalypse Now?: New world order could have devastating implications for Western nations</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1058601/Apocalypse-Now--New-world-order-devastating-implications-Western-nations.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....tions.html</a>
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		<title>By: greed</title>
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		<dc:creator>greed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not specifically related to Vancouver market, but Sydney Australia&#039;s market is almost a mirror image.  Would be good if CBC would arrange a similar interview with decent, unbiased profs/experts to educate the public (although way too late) about this coming bust.  Link is below:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2008/2369074.htm&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26910&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not specifically related to Vancouver market, but Sydney Australia&#8217;s market is almost a mirror image.  Would be good if CBC would arrange a similar interview with decent, unbiased profs/experts to educate the public (although way too late) about this coming bust.  Link is below:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2008/2369074.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/rn/count.....369074.htm</a>
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#46 read the date on comment May 20th, 2008 at 8:17 pm&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26909&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#46 read the date on comment May 20th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Thunbs:

What&#039;s up buddy? Someone&#039;s numbers bothering you?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26907&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Thunbs:</p>
<p>What&#8217;s up buddy? Someone&#8217;s numbers bothering you?
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		<title>By: Gadwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks ReductiMat.  I wrote most of that post, except for the cited quotes and references.  I&#039;m surprised nobody is talking about Credit Default Swaps yet.

Not a big deal though.  In time, everybody will learn and will be discussing Credit Default Swaps.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26906&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks ReductiMat.  I wrote most of that post, except for the cited quotes and references.  I&#8217;m surprised nobody is talking about Credit Default Swaps yet.</p>
<p>Not a big deal though.  In time, everybody will learn and will be discussing Credit Default Swaps.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There was a recent case on eminent domain in the US that suggested that the ‘right to property’ codified in the constitution may not offer protections beyond those found in other anglo-american jurisdictions.&lt;/i&gt;

Contrary to what a lot of people think, there is no &quot;right to property&quot; in the US Constitution. If you think there is a &quot;right to property&quot;, try growing dope in your back yard and see what happens.

What it actually says is this (Bill of Rights):

&quot;No person shall be... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation&quot;

Which means that 
(1) the government can seize property as punishment for an offense and
(2) the government can take private property for public use provided the owner is paid market value for it.

A recent Supreme Court ruling has said that &quot;public use&quot; means any purpose for which the government sees fit, including giving it to private developers.

In fact the situation in Canada is exactly the same, except that property rights are not defined in the Constitution but in statute law.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26905&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There was a recent case on eminent domain in the US that suggested that the ‘right to property’ codified in the constitution may not offer protections beyond those found in other anglo-american jurisdictions.</i></p>
<p>Contrary to what a lot of people think, there is no &#8220;right to property&#8221; in the US Constitution. If you think there is a &#8220;right to property&#8221;, try growing dope in your back yard and see what happens.</p>
<p>What it actually says is this (Bill of Rights):</p>
<p>&#8220;No person shall be&#8230; deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation&#8221;</p>
<p>Which means that<br />
(1) the government can seize property as punishment for an offense and<br />
(2) the government can take private property for public use provided the owner is paid market value for it.</p>
<p>A recent Supreme Court ruling has said that &#8220;public use&#8221; means any purpose for which the government sees fit, including giving it to private developers.</p>
<p>In fact the situation in Canada is exactly the same, except that property rights are not defined in the Constitution but in statute law.
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		<title>By: ReductiMat</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic post Gadwin.  It&#039;s unfortunate that very few people will take the time to understand this.

One other point I think is a major player in all of this is outlined at &lt;a href=&quot;http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/09/regulatory-exem.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Big Picture&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26904&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic post Gadwin.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that very few people will take the time to understand this.</p>
<p>One other point I think is a major player in all of this is outlined at <a href="http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/09/regulatory-exem.html" rel="nofollow">The Big Picture</a>.
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		<title>By: Hindsight is 20/20</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hindsight is 20/20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sold2Soon Says:
May 21st, 2008 at 9:13 am
Caught some of the exchange on CKNW this morning. “Booster-Bill” (as Warren labels him) begins incredulously: some are saying real-estate prices will go down “even here”… “especially here!” comes back Garth emphatically.

Some amazement on the longetivity of Harper’s government ensues till Bill comes back to comment on how after he built his home some years ago, his builder commented on how much more it would cost to build if he were to start then (prices of building materials have gone up). Garth replies things can change quickly…Rona profits are down 90%, Linen &amp; Things has gone belly up and Home Depot is hurting.

Sadly, at that point my 15 minute commute was up and so was my access to the radio!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26902&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sold2Soon Says:<br />
May 21st, 2008 at 9:13 am<br />
Caught some of the exchange on CKNW this morning. “Booster-Bill” (as Warren labels him) begins incredulously: some are saying real-estate prices will go down “even here”… “especially here!” comes back Garth emphatically.</p>
<p>Some amazement on the longetivity of Harper’s government ensues till Bill comes back to comment on how after he built his home some years ago, his builder commented on how much more it would cost to build if he were to start then (prices of building materials have gone up). Garth replies things can change quickly…Rona profits are down 90%, Linen &amp; Things has gone belly up and Home Depot is hurting.</p>
<p>Sadly, at that point my 15 minute commute was up and so was my access to the radio!
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		<title>By: Timeless Stupidity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timeless Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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Thums up2 Says:
May 20th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
To The idiot in-charge,
those numbers are not your personal property, you can publish them but if you comment on them that makes you to call some one’s whore you dum head.

“Congratulation North Vancouver Prices are up-some time ago”
To whom the fuck were you telling all that bs?

“Excellent North Vancouver +3%” what the fuck was that?

North Vancouver is 3% down oh now what to do?

Mother fucking Realtors like you and jeff stand for best filthy idiots on earth.Tell us….
What do you tell to your client as buyers?
what do you tell to your clients as sellers?
if you know the answer in your mind, you and jeff should figure out properly who the fuck you are? you fucking filthy idiot.Did you ever talk to your dad Cameron Muir about this I am sure you are registerd with some othername to the board.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26901&quot;&gt;7&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<br />
54<br />
Thums up2 Says:<br />
May 20th, 2008 at 8:17 pm<br />
To The idiot in-charge,<br />
those numbers are not your personal property, you can publish them but if you comment on them that makes you to call some one’s whore you dum head.</p>
<p>“Congratulation North Vancouver Prices are up-some time ago”<br />
To whom the fuck were you telling all that bs?</p>
<p>“Excellent North Vancouver +3%” what the fuck was that?</p>
<p>North Vancouver is 3% down oh now what to do?</p>
<p>Mother fucking Realtors like you and jeff stand for best filthy idiots on earth.Tell us….<br />
What do you tell to your client as buyers?<br />
what do you tell to your clients as sellers?<br />
if you know the answer in your mind, you and jeff should figure out properly who the fuck you are? you fucking filthy idiot.Did you ever talk to your dad Cameron Muir about this I am sure you are registerd with some othername to the board.
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		<title>By: dingus</title>
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		<dc:creator>dingus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;my understanding is that in Canada no private person actually owns anything, basically. It’s all property of the state. &quot;

&quot;Think you own that house or condo? Think again, because in Canada, the Crown actually owns all the land. That mortgage you’re paying is just for a leasehold from the Crown.&quot;

Whoa, nelly!

If you own in fee simple, you own.  Full stop.  The state does not own anything.  This is not the USSR.  It is not a leasehold.  The state cannot arbitrarily take the land back.  

There is a difference between ownership and having your own little empire, though.  You do have to abide by the laws of the state, still.  And there may be laws that permits the state to impair those ownership rights, and do things like trespass or expropriate.  However, like Dave said, that is true of all nations -- you couldn&#039;t have a functioning state without it (imagine no more roads, or power lines, or the ability of emergency services to access property).  However, most legislation in this vein will have checks on the use of this power -- limited purposes, consultation, compensation. And this stuff tends to get litigated up the ying-yang.  Governments don&#039;t take messing with the underpinnings of economic system lightly (uh, never mind the past week).  True, it is not part of the Charter, but that does not mean that property is &quot;owned&quot; by the state.  Just that the rights in the Charter don&#039;t protect property rights. Other laws will continue to apply.  For example, animal rights aren&#039;t in the Charter either, but that doesn&#039;t mean that you can be cruel to animals -- there&#039;s laws against that.  There are other legal doctrines that can be used to defend an abuse of the legal power to trespass or expropriate. 

If you own, you own.  Mkay?   You don&#039;t lease, and the Queen ain&#039;t taking it back just to be a bitch.  Don&#039;t sweat it until you see the application from BCTC to put a Hydro tower in your backyard.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26900&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;my understanding is that in Canada no private person actually owns anything, basically. It’s all property of the state. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Think you own that house or condo? Think again, because in Canada, the Crown actually owns all the land. That mortgage you’re paying is just for a leasehold from the Crown.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whoa, nelly!</p>
<p>If you own in fee simple, you own.  Full stop.  The state does not own anything.  This is not the USSR.  It is not a leasehold.  The state cannot arbitrarily take the land back.  </p>
<p>There is a difference between ownership and having your own little empire, though.  You do have to abide by the laws of the state, still.  And there may be laws that permits the state to impair those ownership rights, and do things like trespass or expropriate.  However, like Dave said, that is true of all nations &#8212; you couldn&#8217;t have a functioning state without it (imagine no more roads, or power lines, or the ability of emergency services to access property).  However, most legislation in this vein will have checks on the use of this power &#8212; limited purposes, consultation, compensation. And this stuff tends to get litigated up the ying-yang.  Governments don&#8217;t take messing with the underpinnings of economic system lightly (uh, never mind the past week).  True, it is not part of the Charter, but that does not mean that property is &#8220;owned&#8221; by the state.  Just that the rights in the Charter don&#8217;t protect property rights. Other laws will continue to apply.  For example, animal rights aren&#8217;t in the Charter either, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that you can be cruel to animals &#8212; there&#8217;s laws against that.  There are other legal doctrines that can be used to defend an abuse of the legal power to trespass or expropriate. </p>
<p>If you own, you own.  Mkay?   You don&#8217;t lease, and the Queen ain&#8217;t taking it back just to be a bitch.  Don&#8217;t sweat it until you see the application from BCTC to put a Hydro tower in your backyard.
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		<title>By: Gadwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suppose that the entire world had another Great Depression. But that&#039;s not possible, is it? Well, suppose it did happen. Do you think Vancouver real estate will only decline by 50% if we had another Great Depression? Probably not. Vancouver real estate will probably decline by 70% or more if the unemployment rate in BC rivaled levels seen in the Great Depression and the BC &amp; Canadian economy grinds to a halt as it did during the Great Depression.

Now how could the global economy rival the Great Depression? In a nutshell, this is what the U.S. Treasury Department, U.S. Federal Reserve, and SEC tried to avoid by bailing out Bear Stearns, AIG, and is now proposing a $700 billion bailout package. Their biggest fear, is the unregulated Credit Default Swap market that has the potential to cause another Great Depression and they are using all their ammo to prevent the &quot;worse case scenario&quot; from happening.

In a nutshell, a Credit Default Swap (CDS) is insurance against a bond or loan. Let&#039;s say you are holding a bond from company XYZ. You are worried about XYZ going bankrupt, and defaulting on its bond payments. Thus, you go to a company, such as AIG, and purchase insurance for the bond, in case that XYZ defaults on its payments - in other words, you&#039;ve obtained a Credit Default Swap from AIG.

Now here is where the problem for Credit Default Swaps has ballooned. Because Credit Default Swaps aren&#039;t regulated, companies like AIG don&#039;t have to back them up with collateral. During the &quot;good times,&quot; this was the perfect way for AIG to make money because they could sell a bunch of Credit Default Swaps, knowing that company XYZ would never go bankrupt. Thus, AIG would continue to collect premiums from you and things are hunky dory. As you can guess, everything goes to h*ll when XYZ indeed goes bankrupt, and now, AIG doesn&#039;t have the collateral to pay your insurance. From your end, not only can you not collect from the XYZ bond because they went bankrupt, you can&#039;t collect the insurance from AIG either because they never had the collateral to back up the Credit Default Swap in the first place. Thus, you may go bankrupt as well!

To add to this, Credit Default Swaps were offered on mortgage backed securities, CDOs, and other mortgage backed debt. That&#039;s great during the housing boom when everybody is making their mortgage payments, but when there is a housing downturn ...

To put in perspective of the sh*t hole the financial system is in, the &quot;total outstanding balance of the CDS market is $50 trillion, compared with the entire U.S. home mortgage market at about $11 trillion.&quot;: http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/04/02/credit-default-swaps-a-50-trillion-problem/
Because Credit Default Swaps aren&#039;t regulated, financial institutions worldwide have gone and ballooned the CDS market with little or no collateral. As you can guess, if companies like Bear Stearns and AIG, who offered CDS, go bankrupt, it will have a huge domino effect on the remaining financial institutions (AIG had issues paying off its CDS, it tried to collect collateral, rating agencies lowered AIG&#039;s debt rating because of that, and AIG had to obtain more collateral, etc).

And this is the worst case scenario that the U.S. Treasury Department, Federal Reserve, and SEC are trying to avoid.

As for Canadian banks? Unfortunately, they are also exposed to Credit Default Swaps:

&quot;Canadian banks have more than $800-billion in exposure to one of the most closely watched segments of this market -- credit default swaps. It is estimated that Royal Bank of Canada has the biggest position -- with about $300-billion of notional exposures to this market, an amount many times greater than the entire value of Canada&#039;s largest bank.

Its peers are thought to be similarly positioned, with Toronto-Dominion Bank&#039;s at $197-billion, Bank of Montreal at $118-billion, Bank of Nova Scotia at $110-billion and CIBC at $86-billion.

The banks said yesterday they would not disclose who their counter-parties were on these positions, but with AIG controlling about US$441-billion of this market through its financial products division, analysts said its demise would be laden with material risks.&quot;

http://www.financialpost.com/news/story.html?id=794968

Hopefully, this doesn&#039;t happen. As I said before, if Vancouver real estate declined 50% but we get out of this financial mess, that is really a best case scenario. Lets hope that the $700 billion bailout by the U.S. works and the CDS crisis doesn&#039;t get any worse.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26899&quot;&gt;7&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suppose that the entire world had another Great Depression. But that&#8217;s not possible, is it? Well, suppose it did happen. Do you think Vancouver real estate will only decline by 50% if we had another Great Depression? Probably not. Vancouver real estate will probably decline by 70% or more if the unemployment rate in BC rivaled levels seen in the Great Depression and the BC &amp; Canadian economy grinds to a halt as it did during the Great Depression.</p>
<p>Now how could the global economy rival the Great Depression? In a nutshell, this is what the U.S. Treasury Department, U.S. Federal Reserve, and SEC tried to avoid by bailing out Bear Stearns, AIG, and is now proposing a $700 billion bailout package. Their biggest fear, is the unregulated Credit Default Swap market that has the potential to cause another Great Depression and they are using all their ammo to prevent the &#8220;worse case scenario&#8221; from happening.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, a Credit Default Swap (CDS) is insurance against a bond or loan. Let&#8217;s say you are holding a bond from company XYZ. You are worried about XYZ going bankrupt, and defaulting on its bond payments. Thus, you go to a company, such as AIG, and purchase insurance for the bond, in case that XYZ defaults on its payments &#8211; in other words, you&#8217;ve obtained a Credit Default Swap from AIG.</p>
<p>Now here is where the problem for Credit Default Swaps has ballooned. Because Credit Default Swaps aren&#8217;t regulated, companies like AIG don&#8217;t have to back them up with collateral. During the &#8220;good times,&#8221; this was the perfect way for AIG to make money because they could sell a bunch of Credit Default Swaps, knowing that company XYZ would never go bankrupt. Thus, AIG would continue to collect premiums from you and things are hunky dory. As you can guess, everything goes to h*ll when XYZ indeed goes bankrupt, and now, AIG doesn&#8217;t have the collateral to pay your insurance. From your end, not only can you not collect from the XYZ bond because they went bankrupt, you can&#8217;t collect the insurance from AIG either because they never had the collateral to back up the Credit Default Swap in the first place. Thus, you may go bankrupt as well!</p>
<p>To add to this, Credit Default Swaps were offered on mortgage backed securities, CDOs, and other mortgage backed debt. That&#8217;s great during the housing boom when everybody is making their mortgage payments, but when there is a housing downturn &#8230;</p>
<p>To put in perspective of the sh*t hole the financial system is in, the &#8220;total outstanding balance of the CDS market is $50 trillion, compared with the entire U.S. home mortgage market at about $11 trillion.&#8221;: <a href="http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/04/02/credit-default-swaps-a-50-trillion-problem/" rel="nofollow">http://www.moneymorning.com/20.....n-problem/</a><br />
Because Credit Default Swaps aren&#8217;t regulated, financial institutions worldwide have gone and ballooned the CDS market with little or no collateral. As you can guess, if companies like Bear Stearns and AIG, who offered CDS, go bankrupt, it will have a huge domino effect on the remaining financial institutions (AIG had issues paying off its CDS, it tried to collect collateral, rating agencies lowered AIG&#8217;s debt rating because of that, and AIG had to obtain more collateral, etc).</p>
<p>And this is the worst case scenario that the U.S. Treasury Department, Federal Reserve, and SEC are trying to avoid.</p>
<p>As for Canadian banks? Unfortunately, they are also exposed to Credit Default Swaps:</p>
<p>&#8220;Canadian banks have more than $800-billion in exposure to one of the most closely watched segments of this market &#8212; credit default swaps. It is estimated that Royal Bank of Canada has the biggest position &#8212; with about $300-billion of notional exposures to this market, an amount many times greater than the entire value of Canada&#8217;s largest bank.</p>
<p>Its peers are thought to be similarly positioned, with Toronto-Dominion Bank&#8217;s at $197-billion, Bank of Montreal at $118-billion, Bank of Nova Scotia at $110-billion and CIBC at $86-billion.</p>
<p>The banks said yesterday they would not disclose who their counter-parties were on these positions, but with AIG controlling about US$441-billion of this market through its financial products division, analysts said its demise would be laden with material risks.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.financialpost.com/news/story.html?id=794968" rel="nofollow">http://www.financialpost.com/n.....?id=794968</a></p>
<p>Hopefully, this doesn&#8217;t happen. As I said before, if Vancouver real estate declined 50% but we get out of this financial mess, that is really a best case scenario. Lets hope that the $700 billion bailout by the U.S. works and the CDS crisis doesn&#8217;t get any worse.
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		<title>By: Patiently Waiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patiently Waiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching Bernanke and Paulson, made me think of a Ministry song I hadn&#039;t listened to in a while:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG_-rq1ON9Y

&quot;Hey thanks for nothing!
Morals in the dust
Two-faced bastards and syncophants
No trust&quot;

We Canadians shouldn&#039;t be too smug. Can the same thing happen here?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26898&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching Bernanke and Paulson, made me think of a Ministry song I hadn&#8217;t listened to in a while:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG_-rq1ON9Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG_-rq1ON9Y</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Hey thanks for nothing!<br />
Morals in the dust<br />
Two-faced bastards and syncophants<br />
No trust&#8221;</p>
<p>We Canadians shouldn&#8217;t be too smug. Can the same thing happen here?
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two words: exprop riation. The needs of the many and all that Vulcan mumbo jumbo.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26897&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two words: exprop riation. The needs of the many and all that Vulcan mumbo jumbo.
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		<title>By: womp</title>
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		<dc:creator>womp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also a separation of surface and subsurface rights.  No landowner automatically has rights to subsurface resources - you must explicitly stake them, or else others will be able to snatch it right from under you, and gain legal access to your land. In BC, staking a claim for mineral or subsurface rights used to have to be done physically, with actual stakes and claim tags.  This gave the landholder opportunity to come to an understanding with prospectors, as they would have to physically trespass to stake their claim otherwise.

Recently the BC government changed the staking process so that it could be done 100% online, without even setting foot on the property.  This has led to some cases where homeowners get invaded by prospectors and have no real legal recourse.

Moral of the story - stake your own land!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26896&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also a separation of surface and subsurface rights.  No landowner automatically has rights to subsurface resources &#8211; you must explicitly stake them, or else others will be able to snatch it right from under you, and gain legal access to your land. In BC, staking a claim for mineral or subsurface rights used to have to be done physically, with actual stakes and claim tags.  This gave the landholder opportunity to come to an understanding with prospectors, as they would have to physically trespass to stake their claim otherwise.</p>
<p>Recently the BC government changed the staking process so that it could be done 100% online, without even setting foot on the property.  This has led to some cases where homeowners get invaded by prospectors and have no real legal recourse.</p>
<p>Moral of the story &#8211; stake your own land!
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to agree with Dave on this one. We inherited a system of land ownership from the UK, enforced (however unfairly) by musket and treaty over the existing aboriginal culture. Fee simple is a type of estate that the Crown can grant to individuals. In the traditional system, fee simple estates were subject to the power of eminent domain.

In that respect, you&#039;d have to look at the empirical evidence to see whether the US offers more protection for property owners vis-a-vis expropriations by the State. There was a recent case on eminent domain in the US that suggested that the &#039;right to property&#039; codified in the constitution may not offer protections beyond those found in other anglo-american jurisdictions. However, I lack any references to studies on the matter.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26892&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to agree with Dave on this one. We inherited a system of land ownership from the UK, enforced (however unfairly) by musket and treaty over the existing aboriginal culture. Fee simple is a type of estate that the Crown can grant to individuals. In the traditional system, fee simple estates were subject to the power of eminent domain.</p>
<p>In that respect, you&#8217;d have to look at the empirical evidence to see whether the US offers more protection for property owners vis-a-vis expropriations by the State. There was a recent case on eminent domain in the US that suggested that the &#8216;right to property&#8217; codified in the constitution may not offer protections beyond those found in other anglo-american jurisdictions. However, I lack any references to studies on the matter.
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		<title>By: alexcanuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexcanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In contrast, in the US, this is less certain and historic owners may have claims on the ownership of the land.&lt;/i&gt;
Ahem. &quot;First Nations&quot;. &quot;Native Land Claims&quot;.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-26891&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In contrast, in the US, this is less certain and historic owners may have claims on the ownership of the land.</i><br />
Ahem. &#8220;First Nations&#8221;. &#8220;Native Land Claims&#8221;.
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