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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;They are a LOT different from a stock broker:&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
I&#039;d say there is more similarity of a Realtor to a financial advisor than a &quot;stock broker&quot;, the latter of whom is more a technician and is prevented from offering financial advice. 
 
Ask your financial advisor, should you have one, about commission disclosure of the specific funds and stocks they are selling. I would treat a home purchase with a Realtor with as much, if not more, skepticism as advice from a commissioned investment dealer. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29251&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;They are a LOT different from a stock broker:&quot;</i></p>
<p>I&#039;d say there is more similarity of a Realtor to a financial advisor than a &quot;stock broker&quot;, the latter of whom is more a technician and is prevented from offering financial advice.</p>
<p>Ask your financial advisor, should you have one, about commission disclosure of the specific funds and stocks they are selling. I would treat a home purchase with a Realtor with as much, if not more, skepticism as advice from a commissioned investment dealer.
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		<title>By: NO -LYMPICS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NO -LYMPICS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading about the Quattro in Surrey, the one that burned down, and how they had a meeting yesterday in Surrey amongst developer, realtors, bankers and purchasers in . This will be an interesting project to watch as a market parameter. 
 
In todays paper, one buyer stated he bought into this project based on brochures of having &quot;Yaletown&quot; in Surrey&#039;s Whalley area (LOL !) but all he sees is addicts and fights. He requested a refund , but was told he can&#039;t get his money back unless he sells.  
 
Given the fire will obviously move all timelines forward, and people will not get any funds REfunded , I wonder how many will choose Plan B and simply walk and the whole thing falls into bankruptcy? I mean, for all intents and purposes...they are starting fresh with new construction like any other development, but there will also be a lot of desperate sellers of other completed projects. I&#039;ll bet many will  bail on Quattro and go bottom - feeding elsewhere . &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29242&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading about the Quattro in Surrey, the one that burned down, and how they had a meeting yesterday in Surrey amongst developer, realtors, bankers and purchasers in . This will be an interesting project to watch as a market parameter.</p>
<p>In todays paper, one buyer stated he bought into this project based on brochures of having &quot;Yaletown&quot; in Surrey&#039;s Whalley area (LOL !) but all he sees is addicts and fights. He requested a refund , but was told he can&#039;t get his money back unless he sells. </p>
<p>Given the fire will obviously move all timelines forward, and people will not get any funds REfunded , I wonder how many will choose Plan B and simply walk and the whole thing falls into bankruptcy? I mean, for all intents and purposes&#8230;they are starting fresh with new construction like any other development, but there will also be a lot of desperate sellers of other completed projects. I&#039;ll bet many will  bail on Quattro and go bottom &#8211; feeding elsewhere .
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		<title>By: alexcanuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexcanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;they are not much different than a stock broker&lt;/i&gt; 
5. I can call my stockbroker and say &quot;sell&quot; and he will say &quot;(clickety-click) Done.&quot; 
Liquidity, baby! Anyone out there wish they had a bit more liquidity right about now? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29241&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>they are not much different than a stock broker</i></p>
<p>5. I can call my stockbroker and say &quot;sell&quot; and he will say &quot;(clickety-click) Done.&quot;</p>
<p>Liquidity, baby! Anyone out there wish they had a bit more liquidity right about now?
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		<title>By: NO -LYMPICS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NO -LYMPICS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patriotz: 
 
I appreciate your insight, and whatever expertise you have and collectively adding to the debate. 
 
My previous take on realtors was on the theme that they promote a commodity, and their bread and butter is commission - based on both ends of the transaction ie Buying and Selling.  
 
They will promote the given commodity in as positive a light as possible...Stock Brokers and realtors literally read out of the same sales manual .  That&#039;s the basics, they are very similar ,  the rest is just hair-splitting semantics .  
 
It&#039;s often not in their interest to be candid, but to promote things on the upbeat/positive light, that IS my point. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29240&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriotz:</p>
<p>I appreciate your insight, and whatever expertise you have and collectively adding to the debate.</p>
<p>My previous take on realtors was on the theme that they promote a commodity, and their bread and butter is commission &#8211; based on both ends of the transaction ie Buying and Selling. </p>
<p>They will promote the given commodity in as positive a light as possible&#8230;Stock Brokers and realtors literally read out of the same sales manual .  That&#039;s the basics, they are very similar ,  the rest is just hair-splitting semantics . </p>
<p>It&#039;s often not in their interest to be candid, but to promote things on the upbeat/positive light, that IS my point.
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like patriotz is in the equity business. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29239&quot;&gt;-1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like patriotz is in the equity business.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;they are not much different than a stock broker&lt;/i&gt; 
 
They are a LOT different from a stock broker: 
 
1. Stocks are sold on an open market with known bid and ask prices. 
2. Stockbrokers do not negotiate selling prices. The market does that. 
3. Stockbrokers are not paid on a % commission basis. 
4. Stockbrokers are forbidden from making any representation about the future performance of stocks. 
 
Those with more knowledge of the securities industry may add more. 
 
Realtors are like used car salesmen, except a used car salesman would never claim that the car he&#039;s trying to sell will be worth more next year. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29238&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>they are not much different than a stock broker</i></p>
<p>They are a LOT different from a stock broker:</p>
<p>1. Stocks are sold on an open market with known bid and ask prices.</p>
<p>2. Stockbrokers do not negotiate selling prices. The market does that.</p>
<p>3. Stockbrokers are not paid on a % commission basis.</p>
<p>4. Stockbrokers are forbidden from making any representation about the future performance of stocks.</p>
<p>Those with more knowledge of the securities industry may add more.</p>
<p>Realtors are like used car salesmen, except a used car salesman would never claim that the car he&#039;s trying to sell will be worth more next year.
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		<title>By: NO -LYMPICS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NO -LYMPICS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s too bad Canadians are so insular and have been brainwashed into thinking what happens elswhere won&#039;t happen here. Having many relatives in the eastern U.S. we muse how what happens in the U.S. on mnay fronts  eventually finds it way north to Canada ... it used to maybe a 5-10 year delay lag. Now it is much quicker, like the border doesn&#039;t exist. 
 
Without  trying to casting Realtors in a negative light....they are not much different than a stock broker simply promoters, they are promoting a commodity which in this case is real estate. It is their job to promote, not critique or criticize. One well known local realtor and I had a conversation re: the business, and he said that of his original class of approx. 30 realtors who graduated from the licensing program,  only 2 were still practicing. Most of those that last probably have a lot more credibility,  and a straight shooter is the one to seek out, moreso in these turbulent times. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29237&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s too bad Canadians are so insular and have been brainwashed into thinking what happens elswhere won&#039;t happen here. Having many relatives in the eastern U.S. we muse how what happens in the U.S. on mnay fronts  eventually finds it way north to Canada &#8230; it used to maybe a 5-10 year delay lag. Now it is much quicker, like the border doesn&#039;t exist.</p>
<p>Without  trying to casting Realtors in a negative light&#8230;.they are not much different than a stock broker simply promoters, they are promoting a commodity which in this case is real estate. It is their job to promote, not critique or criticize. One well known local realtor and I had a conversation re: the business, and he said that of his original class of approx. 30 realtors who graduated from the licensing program,  only 2 were still practicing. Most of those that last probably have a lot more credibility,  and a straight shooter is the one to seek out, moreso in these turbulent times.
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		<title>By: Keeping an Eye on th</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keeping an Eye on th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#8220;Realtors are incapable of feeling silly. Read Tim Ayres&#8217; response of 19 October on the 624blog (link above) to see what I&#8217;m talking about.&#8221; 
Patriotz: Agreed, in general, Maggie, Rob, Aaron, come to mind. But in all fairness, there are those like Jeff, Paul, and the realtor below and I quote: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/real-estate-crash-in-canada.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/real-estate-c...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
 
Get a grip, I&#8217;m a Realtor on the front lines in Victoria. I see the disaster that is slowly unfolding. Don&#8217;t fool yourself into believing that Canadian 40 years ams aren&#8217;t the American version of subprime. Rampant overbuilding, greedy speculators, and buyers that just &#8216;need to get in right now&#8217;. The writing is on the wall people &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29236&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&ldquo;Realtors are incapable of feeling silly. Read Tim Ayres&rsquo; response of 19 October on the 624blog (link above) to see what I&rsquo;m talking about.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Patriotz: Agreed, in general, Maggie, Rob, Aaron, come to mind. But in all fairness, there are those like Jeff, Paul, and the realtor below and I quote:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/real-estate-crash-in-canada.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/real-estate-c" rel="nofollow">http://www.milliondollarjourney.com/real-estate-c</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>Get a grip, I&rsquo;m a Realtor on the front lines in Victoria. I see the disaster that is slowly unfolding. Don&rsquo;t fool yourself into believing that Canadian 40 years ams aren&rsquo;t the American version of subprime. Rampant overbuilding, greedy speculators, and buyers that just &lsquo;need to get in right now&rsquo;. The writing is on the wall people
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Whomever wrote that crap on the Sooke blog is going to feel pretty silly for writing what he has and leaving an open forum&#8230;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Realtors are incapable of feeling silly. Read Tim Ayres&#039; response of 19 October on the 624blog (link above) to see what I&#039;m talking about. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29228&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Whomever wrote that crap on the Sooke blog is going to feel pretty silly for writing what he has and leaving an open forum&hellip;</i></p>
<p>Realtors are incapable of feeling silly. Read Tim Ayres&#039; response of 19 October on the 624blog (link above) to see what I&#039;m talking about.
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		<title>By: bdk</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whomever wrote that crap on the  Sooke blog is going to feel pretty silly for writing what he has and leaving an open forum... 
 
&quot;You would have to be seriously dimb or delusional to think that prices can only fall 30% now that investor sentiment has changed, supply far exceeds demand, and the world is slipping into a recession. 
We will be lucky to get out with only a 50% drop! 
Especially in a backwater town like Sooke which had gone too high too fast. 
 
Prices will go up again just give it 25 years or so&#8230;..&quot; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-29218&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whomever wrote that crap on the  Sooke blog is going to feel pretty silly for writing what he has and leaving an open forum&#8230;</p>
<p>&quot;You would have to be seriously dimb or delusional to think that prices can only fall 30% now that investor sentiment has changed, supply far exceeds demand, and the world is slipping into a recession.</p>
<p>We will be lucky to get out with only a 50% drop!</p>
<p>Especially in a backwater town like Sooke which had gone too high too fast.</p>
<p>Prices will go up again just give it 25 years or so&hellip;..&quot;
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