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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28511</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have total confidence in George Bush, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke.  They are working feverishly right now to solve this problem and we should not worry our little heads about any of it.  All of you should be sleeping soundly, knowing that your interests are being well looked after.  Of course Mr. Harper should also be mentioned, along with Mr. Flaherty.  People, we are in good hands,  just as the old Allstate commercial used to say.  This is just a big deal at the top,  where a bunch of international banksters and bigwigs have ransacked not only the cookie jar, but everything else in the cupboard as well - therefore it has to be solved by other people at the top, which is being done now.  Be happy that we have such marvellous leaders who will see us through these rocky waters!e&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28511&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have total confidence in George Bush, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke.  They are working feverishly right now to solve this problem and we should not worry our little heads about any of it.  All of you should be sleeping soundly, knowing that your interests are being well looked after.  Of course Mr. Harper should also be mentioned, along with Mr. Flaherty.  People, we are in good hands,  just as the old Allstate commercial used to say.  This is just a big deal at the top,  where a bunch of international banksters and bigwigs have ransacked not only the cookie jar, but everything else in the cupboard as well &#8211; therefore it has to be solved by other people at the top, which is being done now.  Be happy that we have such marvellous leaders who will see us through these rocky waters!e
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		<title>By: freako</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28421</link>
		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Care to expound on why everyone and everything are doing their best to fight deflation? What’s wrong with it?&lt;/b&gt;

Like I said, people stop spending because prices are dropping. Would you buy anything non-essential if you knew it would be cheaper next week? It is almost the exact reverse of hyperinflation (where people rush to buy things before price goes up). Since people aren&#039;t buying, business slow production, leading to unemployment, even less demand, lower prices still. And so on.

The whole idea is to keep inflation reasonable, which is not too high, not too low. Too close to zero risks deflationary spiral. Too high is unpopular, and may risk hyperinflation.

As many have pointed out, it is possible to simultaneously have high consumer inflation, but deflating investment assets. That is bad, because your home is going down while food may be going up.

Again, I can&#039;t under emphasize the role of productivity. All the other stuff isn&#039;t nearly as important. Can we as a society influence productivity? Hard to say, but bubbles hurt it by misallocating resources. As do protectionism, strong labour laws, high taxation etc.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28421&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Care to expound on why everyone and everything are doing their best to fight deflation? What’s wrong with it?</b></p>
<p>Like I said, people stop spending because prices are dropping. Would you buy anything non-essential if you knew it would be cheaper next week? It is almost the exact reverse of hyperinflation (where people rush to buy things before price goes up). Since people aren&#8217;t buying, business slow production, leading to unemployment, even less demand, lower prices still. And so on.</p>
<p>The whole idea is to keep inflation reasonable, which is not too high, not too low. Too close to zero risks deflationary spiral. Too high is unpopular, and may risk hyperinflation.</p>
<p>As many have pointed out, it is possible to simultaneously have high consumer inflation, but deflating investment assets. That is bad, because your home is going down while food may be going up.</p>
<p>Again, I can&#8217;t under emphasize the role of productivity. All the other stuff isn&#8217;t nearly as important. Can we as a society influence productivity? Hard to say, but bubbles hurt it by misallocating resources. As do protectionism, strong labour laws, high taxation etc.
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		<title>By: ReductiMat</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28420</link>
		<dc:creator>ReductiMat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff, thanks Freako.  Care to expound on why everyone and everything are doing their best to fight deflation?  What&#039;s wrong with it?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28420&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, thanks Freako.  Care to expound on why everyone and everything are doing their best to fight deflation?  What&#8217;s wrong with it?
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		<title>By: freako</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28404</link>
		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another related point is that high rates aren&#039;t necessarily bad, nor is high inflation bad. Everything is relative.

What is generally thought of as undesirable is UNEXPECTED inflation. Even that isn&#039;t as bad as thought. Contrary to popular belief (and what gold bugs and coin collectors like to tell you), it doesn&#039;t devour wealth. It simply redistributes wealth between long term lenders and long term borrowers. That leads to nervousness and excessive risk premiums, but other than that no big deal.

High inflation does &quot;tax&quot; cash, so one has more incentive to keep as little around as possible (think hot potato). If inflation is TOO high, we do risk an inflationary spiral, but that is fairly extreme and easily remedied. The other danger is of course a deflationary spiral, which I think is a tangible risk at this time. In one of those, nobody buys anything because prices are falling, stalling the economy. Cash literally earns a real return (and tax free to boot).&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28404&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another related point is that high rates aren&#8217;t necessarily bad, nor is high inflation bad. Everything is relative.</p>
<p>What is generally thought of as undesirable is UNEXPECTED inflation. Even that isn&#8217;t as bad as thought. Contrary to popular belief (and what gold bugs and coin collectors like to tell you), it doesn&#8217;t devour wealth. It simply redistributes wealth between long term lenders and long term borrowers. That leads to nervousness and excessive risk premiums, but other than that no big deal.</p>
<p>High inflation does &#8220;tax&#8221; cash, so one has more incentive to keep as little around as possible (think hot potato). If inflation is TOO high, we do risk an inflationary spiral, but that is fairly extreme and easily remedied. The other danger is of course a deflationary spiral, which I think is a tangible risk at this time. In one of those, nobody buys anything because prices are falling, stalling the economy. Cash literally earns a real return (and tax free to boot).
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		<title>By: freako</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28399</link>
		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;That said, isn’t one of the major components of our grief right now because of easy credit, ie., low interest rates?&lt;/b&gt;

Not necessarily. Our grief is the result of excess liquidity and the related bad lending and excess consumption.

Low rates need not be bad. If productivity is high, we can have low rates AND a strong economy. This is the missing link that all the talking heads are oblivious of.

Productivity growth is THE true reason why we have had a rising standard of living, and is truly the fruit we&#039;ve been picking. But how many times do we hear it in debates? Never. Instead it is about consumers driving the economy, RE going up up and up just because. Tragic really.

Our problem stems from Greenspan&#039;s miscalculation. He felt that he could keep rates lower than what previously was thought prudent because he felt that productivity would increase sufficiently to provide goods to absorb all the liquidity. He though this because of:

a) The IT revolution finally bearing fruit.
b) The fall of communist Soviet Union.

He calculated WRONG and we are all paying the price.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28399&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>That said, isn’t one of the major components of our grief right now because of easy credit, ie., low interest rates?</b></p>
<p>Not necessarily. Our grief is the result of excess liquidity and the related bad lending and excess consumption.</p>
<p>Low rates need not be bad. If productivity is high, we can have low rates AND a strong economy. This is the missing link that all the talking heads are oblivious of.</p>
<p>Productivity growth is THE true reason why we have had a rising standard of living, and is truly the fruit we&#8217;ve been picking. But how many times do we hear it in debates? Never. Instead it is about consumers driving the economy, RE going up up and up just because. Tragic really.</p>
<p>Our problem stems from Greenspan&#8217;s miscalculation. He felt that he could keep rates lower than what previously was thought prudent because he felt that productivity would increase sufficiently to provide goods to absorb all the liquidity. He though this because of:</p>
<p>a) The IT revolution finally bearing fruit.<br />
b) The fall of communist Soviet Union.</p>
<p>He calculated WRONG and we are all paying the price.
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		<title>By: ReductiMat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReductiMat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freako, I&#039;m not an economist, nor do I play one on TV.

That said, isn&#039;t one of the major components of our grief right now because of easy credit, ie., low interest rates?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28355&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freako, I&#8217;m not an economist, nor do I play one on TV.</p>
<p>That said, isn&#8217;t one of the major components of our grief right now because of easy credit, ie., low interest rates?
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		<title>By: freako</title>
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		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I am old enough to recall the days (not that long ago)when one received double digit interest for a basic savings rate.

When the interests rate became laughable ie 1/2 to 1/3 of what they one were….many people shifted their investment focus.&lt;/b&gt;

You are forgetting that it is real interest rates that matter, not nominal. What good is 13% savings rate when inflation is 12%?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28334&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I am old enough to recall the days (not that long ago)when one received double digit interest for a basic savings rate.</p>
<p>When the interests rate became laughable ie 1/2 to 1/3 of what they one were….many people shifted their investment focus.</b></p>
<p>You are forgetting that it is real interest rates that matter, not nominal. What good is 13% savings rate when inflation is 12%?
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		<title>By: Partisan Spectator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Partisan Spectator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan in Calgary,

My message was about sharing few observations with readers of this blog. Everyone is free to interpret them.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28263&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan in Calgary,</p>
<p>My message was about sharing few observations with readers of this blog. Everyone is free to interpret them.
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		<title>By: no-lympics</title>
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		<dc:creator>no-lympics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm:

I am old enough to recall the days (not that long ago)when one received double digit interest for a basic savings rate.

When the interests rate became laughable ie 1/2 to 1/3 of what they one were....many people shifted their investment focus.

Many were literally forced to enter the stock market, and later the real estate market, in order to attempt to acquire returns on par with what they once had with &quot;safe&quot; bank deposits.

In my view, this forced rampant speculation, ie we saw this over the past 20 years is based on (i) phoney money with the ink still wet &quot;off the presses&quot;  that is also ( ii )lent out cheap. This is the equivalent of a loaded gun to a drunk.

The only ones that gained were the ones who pimp it...ie Gov&#039;ts with bogus economies to placate the masses,and  stock brokers and realtors, whose vested interests is to sell this fantasy and walk away like this was an economic equivalent of a one night stand.

When I see the CEO of Lehman brothers before Congress and admitting they will walk home with $400 Million for running  a 100 + year old company that is now , finito...history...thats pretty much sums it up.

Solution is to raise the interst rates and keep the speculation D-O-W-N !!!!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28251&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm:</p>
<p>I am old enough to recall the days (not that long ago)when one received double digit interest for a basic savings rate.</p>
<p>When the interests rate became laughable ie 1/2 to 1/3 of what they one were&#8230;.many people shifted their investment focus.</p>
<p>Many were literally forced to enter the stock market, and later the real estate market, in order to attempt to acquire returns on par with what they once had with &#8220;safe&#8221; bank deposits.</p>
<p>In my view, this forced rampant speculation, ie we saw this over the past 20 years is based on (i) phoney money with the ink still wet &#8220;off the presses&#8221;  that is also ( ii )lent out cheap. This is the equivalent of a loaded gun to a drunk.</p>
<p>The only ones that gained were the ones who pimp it&#8230;ie Gov&#8217;ts with bogus economies to placate the masses,and  stock brokers and realtors, whose vested interests is to sell this fantasy and walk away like this was an economic equivalent of a one night stand.</p>
<p>When I see the CEO of Lehman brothers before Congress and admitting they will walk home with $400 Million for running  a 100 + year old company that is now , finito&#8230;history&#8230;thats pretty much sums it up.</p>
<p>Solution is to raise the interst rates and keep the speculation D-O-W-N !!!!
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		<title>By: Tokyo - Other information &#124; Worlds Biggest Cities</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tokyo - Other information &#124; Worlds Biggest Cities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan in Calgary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan in Calgary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I recall it was freako betting few years ago (on VHB?) that oil would be back to $50. Once it tipped the mark and bounced back. Today it looks like $50 is not the limit. All good and bad news are now considered bad. Not so long ago all good and bad news were deemed good… &lt;/i&gt;

Partisan Spectator, What do you mean?  I&#039;m admittedly old, and ... well I just don&#039;t get what your message is here.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28233&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I recall it was freako betting few years ago (on VHB?) that oil would be back to $50. Once it tipped the mark and bounced back. Today it looks like $50 is not the limit. All good and bad news are now considered bad. Not so long ago all good and bad news were deemed good… </i></p>
<p>Partisan Spectator, What do you mean?  I&#8217;m admittedly old, and &#8230; well I just don&#8217;t get what your message is here.
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		<title>By: The Van Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Van Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This banking crisis had happened before!  In fact, if you google Japan ten years recession, you will read an explanation as to why the economy faltered and went into a serious decade long depression and asset deflation.  But if you read the cause and effect, you will notice that it is &quot;VERY SIMILAR&quot; to what our central bankers around the world are doing!!

1, Nationalizing banks
2, Buying up toxic loans
3, Propping up dead businesses and faulty banks instead of letting them go
4, Preventing the housing bust and the asset price deflation by keeping people in homes that they can&#039;t afford

All of that Japan had done so for 10 long years!  That&#039;s 10 years and still they couldn&#039;t fix it.  We were laughing on the tube when we heard Japan said they were cutting interest rates with the rest of the banks.  Yeah, from 0.1% to what?!?

We are saddened to see that all the central bankers had done were to try and inflate the money supply again in the desperate attempt to jump start the economy.  But if there is anything to learn from Japan is that, banks weren&#039;t afraid to lend money.  It is the borrowers who the lenders believed have no credibility whatsoever to lend to.  This is happening now.  We just recently came back from our vacation and visited our bank and spoke with our bank manager.  She had this to say..

1, Loans of all kinds will be more difficult to obtain.
2, Interest on loans will be prime rate + 1% or more
3, Loans will be evaluated via traditional lending terms and determination (the old fashioned way)
4, Credit line will be chopped to high risk borrowers without notice

If many of you think our economy is in good footing, why are banks now so unwilling to loan money easily?!?  Isn&#039;t this an omen to possible trouble coming ahead..

What happens to individuals and businesses that rely on line of credit to run their daily operation?!?

Again, this happened in Japan and is ongoing, because all the excessive liquidity sloshing around were used to build up a cash reserve against the mounting bad debt and failing asset bubbles (inflated real estate) that deprive lending capital to other growth businesses around.
When growth businesses are starved of running capital, they will capitulate and wither.

We are in this stage that we rather see the economy stagnate and wither slowly rather than a big chop on the head if the Fed and the US government didn&#039;t approve the rescue package.  Either way, we are sinking Canada included.  There&#039;s no escaping as our Canadian banks will keep its liquidity in check to hold their own fort.  With Canadians saving nothing, it means Canadian banks will have no way to raise extra capital to finance other private capital projects.  Which leaves only the government to fund projects, and when they do, they will ALWAYS fund to those of the elected and well connected business associates, which then further distorts the economic reality.

Again, this had happened in Japan..

I suggest that everyone learn from what happened in Japan and prepare yourself for it.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28232&quot;&gt;13&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This banking crisis had happened before!  In fact, if you google Japan ten years recession, you will read an explanation as to why the economy faltered and went into a serious decade long depression and asset deflation.  But if you read the cause and effect, you will notice that it is &#8220;VERY SIMILAR&#8221; to what our central bankers around the world are doing!!</p>
<p>1, Nationalizing banks<br />
2, Buying up toxic loans<br />
3, Propping up dead businesses and faulty banks instead of letting them go<br />
4, Preventing the housing bust and the asset price deflation by keeping people in homes that they can&#8217;t afford</p>
<p>All of that Japan had done so for 10 long years!  That&#8217;s 10 years and still they couldn&#8217;t fix it.  We were laughing on the tube when we heard Japan said they were cutting interest rates with the rest of the banks.  Yeah, from 0.1% to what?!?</p>
<p>We are saddened to see that all the central bankers had done were to try and inflate the money supply again in the desperate attempt to jump start the economy.  But if there is anything to learn from Japan is that, banks weren&#8217;t afraid to lend money.  It is the borrowers who the lenders believed have no credibility whatsoever to lend to.  This is happening now.  We just recently came back from our vacation and visited our bank and spoke with our bank manager.  She had this to say..</p>
<p>1, Loans of all kinds will be more difficult to obtain.<br />
2, Interest on loans will be prime rate + 1% or more<br />
3, Loans will be evaluated via traditional lending terms and determination (the old fashioned way)<br />
4, Credit line will be chopped to high risk borrowers without notice</p>
<p>If many of you think our economy is in good footing, why are banks now so unwilling to loan money easily?!?  Isn&#8217;t this an omen to possible trouble coming ahead..</p>
<p>What happens to individuals and businesses that rely on line of credit to run their daily operation?!?</p>
<p>Again, this happened in Japan and is ongoing, because all the excessive liquidity sloshing around were used to build up a cash reserve against the mounting bad debt and failing asset bubbles (inflated real estate) that deprive lending capital to other growth businesses around.<br />
When growth businesses are starved of running capital, they will capitulate and wither.</p>
<p>We are in this stage that we rather see the economy stagnate and wither slowly rather than a big chop on the head if the Fed and the US government didn&#8217;t approve the rescue package.  Either way, we are sinking Canada included.  There&#8217;s no escaping as our Canadian banks will keep its liquidity in check to hold their own fort.  With Canadians saving nothing, it means Canadian banks will have no way to raise extra capital to finance other private capital projects.  Which leaves only the government to fund projects, and when they do, they will ALWAYS fund to those of the elected and well connected business associates, which then further distorts the economic reality.</p>
<p>Again, this had happened in Japan..</p>
<p>I suggest that everyone learn from what happened in Japan and prepare yourself for it.
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28231</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe you fools are talking about bank failures in this country. Please please please read up on the CMHC and our Bank Act and you&#039;ll see that a bank failure is next to impossible. I know there&#039;s not much that will convince you but whatever like I&#039;ve said I&#039;m preparing for an early retirement to Mexico.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28231&quot;&gt;-14&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe you fools are talking about bank failures in this country. Please please please read up on the CMHC and our Bank Act and you&#8217;ll see that a bank failure is next to impossible. I know there&#8217;s not much that will convince you but whatever like I&#8217;ve said I&#8217;m preparing for an early retirement to Mexico.
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28230</link>
		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strataman, it&#039;s not CAD that is responsible for the recent change in the exchange rate, it is a USD rally against pretty much every other currency out there. CAD is worth less than USD not because oil is down, but oil is down because of the same reasons why USD is up. Hope this makes sense. Basically as long as current wave of market fear continues to feed on itself CAD will keep going down relative to USD.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28230&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strataman, it&#8217;s not CAD that is responsible for the recent change in the exchange rate, it is a USD rally against pretty much every other currency out there. CAD is worth less than USD not because oil is down, but oil is down because of the same reasons why USD is up. Hope this makes sense. Basically as long as current wave of market fear continues to feed on itself CAD will keep going down relative to USD.
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		<title>By: Raincouver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raincouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse quotes #76

&lt;b&gt;A plan originally earmarked for Friday morning would see the government assume some mortgages currently held by the banks by giving them to the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corp., a Crown corporation. In turn, the banks might receive CMHC paper – possibly bonds – against which they could use as collateral for their own loans from other banks.&lt;/b&gt;

Oh, this looks real good.  Banks are &quot;giving&quot; mortgages to CMHC.  How fabulous is that?

Thanks for the link, man.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28229&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse quotes #76</p>
<p><b>A plan originally earmarked for Friday morning would see the government assume some mortgages currently held by the banks by giving them to the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corp., a Crown corporation. In turn, the banks might receive CMHC paper – possibly bonds – against which they could use as collateral for their own loans from other banks.</b></p>
<p>Oh, this looks real good.  Banks are &#8220;giving&#8221; mortgages to CMHC.  How fabulous is that?</p>
<p>Thanks for the link, man.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28228</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A plan originally earmarked for Friday morning would see the government assume some mortgages currently held by the banks by giving them to the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corp., a Crown corporation.&lt;/i&gt;

CMHC has been doing this for years (Canada Housing Trust). So just what is new about this?

http://www.financialpost.com/scripts/story.html?id=d0c20b90-8b0b-4506-991e-a30a82981cb4&amp;k=20957

But is that really the right thing to do? I think the last thing Canada needs right now is to supply more cheap capital to an overvalued asset class - housing.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28228&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A plan originally earmarked for Friday morning would see the government assume some mortgages currently held by the banks by giving them to the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corp., a Crown corporation.</i></p>
<p>CMHC has been doing this for years (Canada Housing Trust). So just what is new about this?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.financialpost.com/scripts/story.html?id=d0c20b90-8b0b-4506-991e-a30a82981cb4&amp;k=20957" rel="nofollow">http://www.financialpost.com/s.....mp;k=20957</a></p>
<p>But is that really the right thing to do? I think the last thing Canada needs right now is to supply more cheap capital to an overvalued asset class &#8211; housing.
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28227</link>
		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can anyone explain why the us dollar is so much higher than the Canadian dollar right now?&quot;

It&#039;s not &quot;so much higher&quot;. To put things in perspective look at AUD- less than three months ago it was almost equal to USD, and now it is trading at 1.51... Don&#039;t be surprised if CAD follows the same trajectory.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28227&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can anyone explain why the us dollar is so much higher than the Canadian dollar right now?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not &#8220;so much higher&#8221;. To put things in perspective look at AUD- less than three months ago it was almost equal to USD, and now it is trading at 1.51&#8230; Don&#8217;t be surprised if CAD follows the same trajectory.
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		<title>By: Partisan Spectator</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28226</link>
		<dc:creator>Partisan Spectator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall it was freako betting few years ago (on VHB?) that oil would be back to $50. Once it tipped the mark and bounced back. Today it looks like $50 is not the limit. All good and bad news are now considered bad. Not so long ago all good and bad news were deemed good...&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28226&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall it was freako betting few years ago (on VHB?) that oil would be back to $50. Once it tipped the mark and bounced back. Today it looks like $50 is not the limit. All good and bad news are now considered bad. Not so long ago all good and bad news were deemed good&#8230;
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oil $82.00

 Hey cool, so gas should be about $0.82 per liter real soon now, right?  Right?

 Anyone? Bueller?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28225&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oil $82.00</p>
<p> Hey cool, so gas should be about $0.82 per liter real soon now, right?  Right?</p>
<p> Anyone? Bueller?
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		<title>By: Brittanny</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28223</link>
		<dc:creator>Brittanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9:58 PM :

Nikkei (-862.48)
Oil $82.00

Canucks/Flames 4-0

Gonna be an interesting day in the makets tommorrow.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28223&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9:58 PM :</p>
<p>Nikkei (-862.48)<br />
Oil $82.00</p>
<p>Canucks/Flames 4-0</p>
<p>Gonna be an interesting day in the makets tommorrow.
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28222</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081009.wbankpolitics10/BNStory/politics/?page=rss&amp;id=RTGAM.20081009.wbankpolitics10&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ottawa admits it must act on the economy&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;A plan originally earmarked for Friday morning would see the government assume some mortgages currently held by the banks by giving them to the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corp., a Crown corporation. In turn, the banks might receive CMHC paper – possibly bonds – against which they could use as collateral for their own loans from other banks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28222&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081009.wbankpolitics10/BNStory/politics/?page=rss&amp;id=RTGAM.20081009.wbankpolitics10" rel="nofollow">Ottawa admits it must act on the economy</a></p>
<blockquote><p>A plan originally earmarked for Friday morning would see the government assume some mortgages currently held by the banks by giving them to the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corp., a Crown corporation. In turn, the banks might receive CMHC paper – possibly bonds – against which they could use as collateral for their own loans from other banks.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Brittanny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9:46 PM :

Nikkei (-888.48)
Oil $82.49

Canucks/Flames 3-0

Gonna be an interesting day in the makets tommorrow.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28221&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9:46 PM :</p>
<p>Nikkei (-888.48)<br />
Oil $82.49</p>
<p>Canucks/Flames 3-0</p>
<p>Gonna be an interesting day in the makets tommorrow.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;MOVE ALONG FOLKS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE!&lt;/b&gt;

http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081009.wcreacall1009/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview

&lt;i&gt;The real estate industry has gone into damage-control mode to try to quell fears Canada&#039;s housing market could enter into a U.S.-style freefall.

Industry representatives held a conference call Thursday to challenge a recent report by Merrill Lynch Canada Inc. that made headlines by suggesting Canada&#039;s housing market could be heading for the same perils as that of the United States.

“We want to draw attention to the fact that despite some recent stories that suggest the Canadian housing market is heading for a crash similar to the States, that just isn&#039;t in the cards,” Gregory Klump, chief economist at the Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA), said on the call.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28220&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>MOVE ALONG FOLKS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE!</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081009.wcreacall1009/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview" rel="nofollow">http://www.reportonbusiness.co.....m_mostview</a></p>
<p><i>The real estate industry has gone into damage-control mode to try to quell fears Canada&#8217;s housing market could enter into a U.S.-style freefall.</p>
<p>Industry representatives held a conference call Thursday to challenge a recent report by Merrill Lynch Canada Inc. that made headlines by suggesting Canada&#8217;s housing market could be heading for the same perils as that of the United States.</p>
<p>“We want to draw attention to the fact that despite some recent stories that suggest the Canadian housing market is heading for a crash similar to the States, that just isn&#8217;t in the cards,” Gregory Klump, chief economist at the Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA), said on the call.</i>
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There was a crowd of men in the bullion exchange and when I asked someone what was up it was explained to me that they were lining-up to buy gold coins. &lt;/i&gt;

People lining up to buy gold coins? Hey,just like in 1980. Come to think up it, people were lining up to buy condos around that time as well.

So what happened over the next few years?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28219&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There was a crowd of men in the bullion exchange and when I asked someone what was up it was explained to me that they were lining-up to buy gold coins. </i></p>
<p>People lining up to buy gold coins? Hey,just like in 1980. Come to think up it, people were lining up to buy condos around that time as well.</p>
<p>So what happened over the next few years?
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Second, it has been around for a century. If it was total crap, then it probably wouldn’t still be around.&quot;

Lehman Bros was around for 158 years before people figured out it was crap.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28218&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Second, it has been around for a century. If it was total crap, then it probably wouldn’t still be around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lehman Bros was around for 158 years before people figured out it was crap.
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