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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have total confidence in George Bush, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke.  They are working feverishly right now to solve this problem and we should not worry our little heads about any of it.  All of you should be sleeping soundly, knowing that your interests are being well looked after.  Of course Mr. Harper should also be mentioned, along with Mr. Flaherty.  People, we are in good hands,  just as the old Allstate commercial used to say.  This is just a big deal at the top,  where a bunch of international banksters and bigwigs have ransacked not only the cookie jar, but everything else in the cupboard as well - therefore it has to be solved by other people at the top, which is being done now.  Be happy that we have such marvellous leaders who will see us through these rocky waters!e &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28511&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have total confidence in George Bush, Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke.  They are working feverishly right now to solve this problem and we should not worry our little heads about any of it.  All of you should be sleeping soundly, knowing that your interests are being well looked after.  Of course Mr. Harper should also be mentioned, along with Mr. Flaherty.  People, we are in good hands,  just as the old Allstate commercial used to say.  This is just a big deal at the top,  where a bunch of international banksters and bigwigs have ransacked not only the cookie jar, but everything else in the cupboard as well &#8211; therefore it has to be solved by other people at the top, which is being done now.  Be happy that we have such marvellous leaders who will see us through these rocky waters!e
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		<title>By: freako</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28421</link>
		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Care to expound on why everyone and everything are doing their best to fight deflation? What&#8217;s wrong with it?&lt;/b&gt; 
 
Like I said, people stop spending because prices are dropping. Would you buy anything non-essential if you knew it would be cheaper next week? It is almost the exact reverse of hyperinflation (where people rush to buy things before price goes up). Since people aren&#039;t buying, business slow production, leading to unemployment, even less demand, lower prices still. And so on. 
 
The whole idea is to keep inflation reasonable, which is not too high, not too low. Too close to zero risks deflationary spiral. Too high is unpopular, and may risk hyperinflation. 
 
As many have pointed out, it is possible to simultaneously have high consumer inflation, but deflating investment assets. That is bad, because your home is going down while food may be going up. 
 
Again, I can&#039;t under emphasize the role of productivity. All the other stuff isn&#039;t nearly as important. Can we as a society influence productivity? Hard to say, but bubbles hurt it by misallocating resources. As do protectionism, strong labour laws, high taxation etc. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28421&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Care to expound on why everyone and everything are doing their best to fight deflation? What&rsquo;s wrong with it?</b></p>
<p>Like I said, people stop spending because prices are dropping. Would you buy anything non-essential if you knew it would be cheaper next week? It is almost the exact reverse of hyperinflation (where people rush to buy things before price goes up). Since people aren&#039;t buying, business slow production, leading to unemployment, even less demand, lower prices still. And so on.</p>
<p>The whole idea is to keep inflation reasonable, which is not too high, not too low. Too close to zero risks deflationary spiral. Too high is unpopular, and may risk hyperinflation.</p>
<p>As many have pointed out, it is possible to simultaneously have high consumer inflation, but deflating investment assets. That is bad, because your home is going down while food may be going up.</p>
<p>Again, I can&#039;t under emphasize the role of productivity. All the other stuff isn&#039;t nearly as important. Can we as a society influence productivity? Hard to say, but bubbles hurt it by misallocating resources. As do protectionism, strong labour laws, high taxation etc.
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		<title>By: ReductiMat</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28420</link>
		<dc:creator>ReductiMat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff, thanks Freako.  Care to expound on why everyone and everything are doing their best to fight deflation?  What&#039;s wrong with it? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28420&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, thanks Freako.  Care to expound on why everyone and everything are doing their best to fight deflation?  What&#039;s wrong with it?
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		<title>By: freako</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28404</link>
		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another related point is that high rates aren&#039;t necessarily bad, nor is high inflation bad. Everything is relative. 
 
What is generally thought of as undesirable is UNEXPECTED inflation. Even that isn&#039;t as bad as thought. Contrary to popular belief (and what gold bugs and coin collectors like to tell you), it doesn&#039;t devour wealth. It simply redistributes wealth between long term lenders and long term borrowers. That leads to nervousness and excessive risk premiums, but other than that no big deal. 
 
High inflation does &quot;tax&quot; cash, so one has more incentive to keep as little around as possible (think hot potato). If inflation is TOO high, we do risk an inflationary spiral, but that is fairly extreme and easily remedied. The other danger is of course a deflationary spiral, which I think is a tangible risk at this time. In one of those, nobody buys anything because prices are falling, stalling the economy. Cash literally earns a real return (and tax free to boot). &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28404&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another related point is that high rates aren&#039;t necessarily bad, nor is high inflation bad. Everything is relative.</p>
<p>What is generally thought of as undesirable is UNEXPECTED inflation. Even that isn&#039;t as bad as thought. Contrary to popular belief (and what gold bugs and coin collectors like to tell you), it doesn&#039;t devour wealth. It simply redistributes wealth between long term lenders and long term borrowers. That leads to nervousness and excessive risk premiums, but other than that no big deal.</p>
<p>High inflation does &quot;tax&quot; cash, so one has more incentive to keep as little around as possible (think hot potato). If inflation is TOO high, we do risk an inflationary spiral, but that is fairly extreme and easily remedied. The other danger is of course a deflationary spiral, which I think is a tangible risk at this time. In one of those, nobody buys anything because prices are falling, stalling the economy. Cash literally earns a real return (and tax free to boot).
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		<title>By: freako</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28399</link>
		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;That said, isn&#8217;t one of the major components of our grief right now because of easy credit, ie., low interest rates?&lt;/b&gt; 
 
Not necessarily. Our grief is the result of excess liquidity and the related bad lending and excess consumption. 
 
Low rates need not be bad. If productivity is high, we can have low rates AND a strong economy. This is the missing link that all the talking heads are oblivious of. 
 
Productivity growth is THE true reason why we have had a rising standard of living, and is truly the fruit we&#039;ve been picking. But how many times do we hear it in debates? Never. Instead it is about consumers driving the economy, RE going up up and up just because. Tragic really. 
 
Our problem stems from Greenspan&#039;s miscalculation. He felt that he could keep rates lower than what previously was thought prudent because he felt that productivity would increase sufficiently to provide goods to absorb all the liquidity. He though this because of: 
 
a) The IT revolution finally bearing fruit. 
b) The fall of communist Soviet Union. 
 
He calculated WRONG and we are all paying the price. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28399&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>That said, isn&rsquo;t one of the major components of our grief right now because of easy credit, ie., low interest rates?</b></p>
<p>Not necessarily. Our grief is the result of excess liquidity and the related bad lending and excess consumption.</p>
<p>Low rates need not be bad. If productivity is high, we can have low rates AND a strong economy. This is the missing link that all the talking heads are oblivious of.</p>
<p>Productivity growth is THE true reason why we have had a rising standard of living, and is truly the fruit we&#039;ve been picking. But how many times do we hear it in debates? Never. Instead it is about consumers driving the economy, RE going up up and up just because. Tragic really.</p>
<p>Our problem stems from Greenspan&#039;s miscalculation. He felt that he could keep rates lower than what previously was thought prudent because he felt that productivity would increase sufficiently to provide goods to absorb all the liquidity. He though this because of:</p>
<p>a) The IT revolution finally bearing fruit.</p>
<p>b) The fall of communist Soviet Union.</p>
<p>He calculated WRONG and we are all paying the price.
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		<title>By: ReductiMat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReductiMat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freako, I&#039;m not an economist, nor do I play one on TV. 
 
That said, isn&#039;t one of the major components of our grief right now because of easy credit, ie., low interest rates? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28355&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freako, I&#039;m not an economist, nor do I play one on TV.</p>
<p>That said, isn&#039;t one of the major components of our grief right now because of easy credit, ie., low interest rates?
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		<title>By: freako</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2008/10/of-bank-failures-and-bailouts.html#comment-28334</link>
		<dc:creator>freako</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;I am old enough to recall the days (not that long ago)when one received double digit interest for a basic savings rate. 
 
When the interests rate became laughable ie 1/2 to 1/3 of what they one were&#8230;.many people shifted their investment focus.&lt;/b&gt; 
 
You are forgetting that it is real interest rates that matter, not nominal. What good is 13% savings rate when inflation is 12%? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28334&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I am old enough to recall the days (not that long ago)when one received double digit interest for a basic savings rate.</p>
<p>When the interests rate became laughable ie 1/2 to 1/3 of what they one were&hellip;.many people shifted their investment focus.</b></p>
<p>You are forgetting that it is real interest rates that matter, not nominal. What good is 13% savings rate when inflation is 12%?
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		<title>By: Tokyo - Other information &#124; Worlds Biggest Cities</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tokyo - Other information &#124; Worlds Biggest Cities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comment on Of Bank Failures and Bailouts. by The Van Man [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28247&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Partisan Spectator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Partisan Spectator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan in Calgary, 
 
My message was about sharing few observations with readers of this blog. Everyone is free to interpret them. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28263&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan in Calgary,</p>
<p>My message was about sharing few observations with readers of this blog. Everyone is free to interpret them.
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		<title>By: no-lympics</title>
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		<dc:creator>no-lympics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm: 
 
I am old enough to recall the days (not that long ago)when one received double digit interest for a basic savings rate. 
 
When the interests rate became laughable ie 1/2 to 1/3 of what they one were....many people shifted their investment focus. 
 
Many were literally forced to enter the stock market, and later the real estate market, in order to attempt to acquire returns on par with what they once had with &quot;safe&quot; bank deposits. 
 
In my view, this forced rampant speculation, ie we saw this over the past 20 years is based on (i) phoney money with the ink still wet &quot;off the presses&quot;  that is also ( ii )lent out cheap. This is the equivalent of a loaded gun to a drunk. 
 
The only ones that gained were the ones who pimp it...ie Gov&#039;ts with bogus economies to placate the masses,and  stock brokers and realtors, whose vested interests is to sell this fantasy and walk away like this was an economic equivalent of a one night stand. 
 
When I see the CEO of Lehman brothers before Congress and admitting they will walk home with $400 Million for running  a 100 + year old company that is now , finito...history...thats pretty much sums it up. 
 
Solution is to raise the interst rates and keep the speculation D-O-W-N !!!! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-28251&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm:</p>
<p>I am old enough to recall the days (not that long ago)when one received double digit interest for a basic savings rate.</p>
<p>When the interests rate became laughable ie 1/2 to 1/3 of what they one were&#8230;.many people shifted their investment focus.</p>
<p>Many were literally forced to enter the stock market, and later the real estate market, in order to attempt to acquire returns on par with what they once had with &quot;safe&quot; bank deposits.</p>
<p>In my view, this forced rampant speculation, ie we saw this over the past 20 years is based on (i) phoney money with the ink still wet &quot;off the presses&quot;  that is also ( ii )lent out cheap. This is the equivalent of a loaded gun to a drunk.</p>
<p>The only ones that gained were the ones who pimp it&#8230;ie Gov&#039;ts with bogus economies to placate the masses,and  stock brokers and realtors, whose vested interests is to sell this fantasy and walk away like this was an economic equivalent of a one night stand.</p>
<p>When I see the CEO of Lehman brothers before Congress and admitting they will walk home with $400 Million for running  a 100 + year old company that is now , finito&#8230;history&#8230;thats pretty much sums it up.</p>
<p>Solution is to raise the interst rates and keep the speculation D-O-W-N !!!!
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