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November 8th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Pandora, I appreciate your difference of opinion on the market and your relatively civilized comments, but I don’t think you’re being completely honest.
compared to many other cities Vancouver is relatively good value.
Comparing one city to another is pointless, you can only compare a city to its own fundamentals: local incomes and rents. On that basis Forbes put Vancouver as second most over-priced market in North America after Los Angeles a year ago. Guess whats happened to prices in Los Angeles since then?
November 8th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Re Campbell’s Property Assessment freeze.
Today’s Vancouver Sun article (NOV. 8 , 2008 )by Don Cayo in the Business Section PG. 1
http://www.canada.com/vancouve.....a18caef830
Cayo’s excellent analysis (recommended reading) seems to conclude that only a few in small assessment niche’s (like commercial properties) will benefit.
Condo’s apparently will NOT benefit, given their assessments will be stuck at older/ higher levels.
Seems like Campbell is doing a good Don Quixote imitation chasing political windmills with all these ill- conceived fantasies to blow smoke up the masses’ asses . Loved his shit eating grin in an old news clip and his kool-aid swigging chant that the Vancouver Convention Cente will be on budget….now its $400 million over(at least what they will admit to).
November 8th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
As you probably know, CUCBC charges for Pastrick’s reports. If I paid money for that advice and relied on it, I’d be MIGHTY pissed.
Hahaha! Indeed! What a stellar track record that guys got, check out the predictions from just the last half year here:
http://vancouvercondo.info/wik.....edit_Union
In March of 2008 the prediction was for a 10% INCREASE this year. In August it was a 10% DECREASE and I think the most recent one is a 13% DECREASE.
Those aren’t predictions, they’re rear-view mirror forecasts.
November 8th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
I think even our mega-bears don’t realize just how fast our market is actually crumbling. The sudden bombardment of recession/depression headlines is unprecedented….makes 1982 look like a mere speedpump. It happened so damned fast that the carnage from the shock did’nt have time to make the cut for inclusion in the October price drop of 4.2%
Reports from the trenches are worsening by the week, if not the day as sellers panic and buyers are finally getting some sense pounded into their thick sculls….the mind boggles of what lies ahead.
November 8th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Or are they looking forward to lower prices as that will make home ownership a reality for many more people – in which case how do they reconcile that with the unemployment they see as a contributing factor to the decline?
No, you got it backwards. It is the bubble that caused the unemployment by misallocating resources (too many construction workers, too much consumer spending). You are merely taking swipes at the messenger. You should really point your finger at the at those responsible. The list is long:
-Industry shills
-MSM blindly quoting industry shills
-Specuvestors
-Homebuyers overbidding in order to “get in”
-The lenders who lent to the specuvestors/desperate buyers.
-Those who insured the lenders loans (CMHC)
-Lax regulators who allowed lenders/CMHC to lend to marginal buyers.
Do you know who ABSOLUTELY is NOT responsible. Those who did not participate, but rather spoke out against the bubble. And yet, that is where you place blame.
November 8th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Re. BMO: I asked my mortgage rep a few weeks ago if I would have any trouble getting a mortgage now, and he said no. Of course this relates only to my condition, which is a cash-heavy bear with 25%+ to put down in addition to other assets (all obtained by renting and saving – fancy that!)
I’m willing to buy places for 35% off of peak pricing. Do any realtors think this is possible yet for someone with a list of places he likes that have been on the market for 4+ months and no fear of rejection?
November 8th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
The dumbass desrves to loose.
from weak hands to strong hands…
very Darwinian but thems the rules
plus at any time a person can choose to be a contrarian and not drink the koolaid….
November 8th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
the world watches
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/
November 8th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Personally speaking, I get rather tired of these politicians who have put both public interest and the public assets at risk yet claim they are not .
Duly note that the City jumped in bed with what is effectively a foreign company, and that no local or Canadian company was involved. Does that not indicate anything ?
If Vancouver has surplus $100 Million to throw around and they claim they will not raise property taxes…why is it into risky ventures and not buffering other costs to taxpayers? This Millenium project HAS TO BE COMPLETED !!!unlike others that may be shelved. Millenium condos will then be dumped onto the condo market aftet the 2010 Olympics, correct? …adding to the glut, perhaps driving down the RE market further.
What is even more interesting is the recent ” In Camera ” kool- aid drinking to cover – up the original kool- aid drinking that signed this deal . These political whores simply want self – glory to be Elected Officials at the 2010 games…and all the perks,… then likely bail when the truth comes out ie 2011, the next civic election .
They, as part of the original “Plan A” obviously didn’t want this to get out but it HAS got leaked. Now its cover-up time ie”Plan B” …what other conclusion is there given their original in -camera meeting? Now we have “Godfather-esque” threats of “silence -or -else ” amonsgt the Vancouver Council or “sleep with the False Creek fishes” LOL
They continually dance on the head of a pin and blow smoke of the public’s ass that what IS Public money no matter how you slice it but in their view is none of the public’s business.
Regardless ….I love the timing of this ….ONE WEEK before the civc elections …is Old Sam S’s swan song fingerprints on this leak ?
The Olympics is at least non – discriminatory / non – partisan, it has politicians of all stripes drink the same batch of Kool Aid at the same time (and STFU or else).
November 8th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
To further respond to Pandora and others who share the same views, this is a capitalist system. It is based on competition where the strong and the smart survive and thrive. If some dumbass looses his home and his job because of taking on too much debt in the hope for “money for nothing” then too bad for him. For those who saved and have lots of cash, they will buy the dumbass’s assets for very cheap.
The dumbass desrves to loose. If his family suffers it is his fault. The person who buys at the bottom deserves to win and deserves to be happy about it. If you are on the wrong side of capitalism right now, take the opportunity to learn a lesson and do not be so foolish next time.
This is the worst crisis since the great depression. Goldman Sachs has forecast the worst unemployment since world war II. I am happy about it because I have enough cash to buy lots of assets at forced liquidation prices.
The jobs that the debt bubble created were illusory and based on fantasy. When they disappear, we as a society can begin to create real industries based on real production of real wealth. Pandora, if you think that is cruel then you do not understand the creation of wealth and would rather have somthing for nothing.
November 8th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
The run from 87 to 94 is basically identical to the one from 01 to 08. Same period of time and the same percent run-up from the bottom.
The dot-com bubble didn’t start until after the mid 1990’s, well after the previous real estate boom in BC.
The nominal increases are similar, but real increases are were about 25% larger in 2001-2008.
I don’t have the stats handy at the moment, but suspect that the runup in the late 80’s/early 90’s was more fundamentally valid, partially due to a lower starting point.
In any case, comparing to past downturns and expecting repeat is a bit silly because each situation is unique. Generally, the size of the downturn is related to the size of the previous boom, but not all booms are created equal. Some are more fundamentally justified than others. The deviation of indicators such as price/rent and price/income from historical averages are much better predictors. I do think we will see more of 1981 and less of 1997.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Pandora, all those specuvestors created a big bubble and the bursting of the bubble is pulling down the entire global economy. Even people that never intended to buy real estate are now suffering lay offs because of the specuvstor generated bubble.
The specuvestors are getting what they deserve now. If the specuvestors weren’t so greedy in the first place, they wouldn’t be in the position they are now. Why should we feel sorry for all those greedy specuvestors?
By the way Pandora, are you a specuvestor too?
November 8th, 2008 at 11:20 am
There seem to be rumors that CFO for Vancouver resigned over concerns about Millennium loan and was not present at the in camera meeting because of this. Starting to really stink. See G&M article today “Opposition angry over city CFO’s absence from loan meeting”.
It is understandable if there are currently negotiations going on, that a black out period is advisable, like in a labor negotiation. But the public is entitled to know at least what is being negotiated in broad terms. It should be possible to do this without jeopardizing the project. As politicians, that is part of their job to balance these two obligations.
If all parties would simply confirm that such negotiations are still taking place, there would be no more controversy. End of story.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:19 am
You Tube has a lot of features re: the Global RE pimping:
A German crew did a feature on Spain. Given what was going on you’d think it was BC except for the locale and scenery.
Apparently Spain became a popular investment throughout Europe, and became an RE pimpimg hotspot. They featured a couple who bought into the RE pimping for their own principal residence , (ie ” BUY NOW or you’ll never be able to afford !!!” ) for what was a tiny apartment, but their financing costs ran from about $600 Euros to $800 then $1000 Euros per month, They were continually cutting back to the point their own car as going to be sold.
Then they showed ” For Sale” signs all over the place ..the bubble had burst.
This documentary was made in 2007 . Same story as BC (and elsewhere)though, RE pimping Hot Spot…lots of Non Resident pimping , Local Residents then caught up in it, lots of new construction , economy dependent on the construction, then bubble bursts ….down the old proverbial toilet.
BC perhaps lagged, but was long overdue.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Dave says “Yes, if the metrics are right for an individual, then it is indeed a great time to buy.” I suppose technically that is true, for instance if I ran across a place I liked that was 70% below the peak in May of this year I would consider the metrics quite good and I would buy!
November 8th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Pandora: I, at least, am not so delusional as to believe that anything I “hope” for or against has any effect on reality.
I merely make the best choices for me and mine in this very imperfect world we live in. It is up to the people who run the world to make my rational choice for my own good coincide with the greater good. Right now their abysmal failure to do that is being exposed.
November 8th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Pandora, you simply do not ‘get it’. I wish you all the best because you seem like a decent caring person, but your understanding of this market is very poor to say the least. Perhaps we could be a little more humble in our posts, but it works both ways, not long ago we were hearing it from the bulls.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Yes, if the metrics are right for an individual, then it is indeed a great time to buy.
given that there are very few buyers out there would suggest the metrics now are terrible…and about to become much worse.
read somewhere that BMO was looking for 35-40% down payment from qualified buyers
sounds like the easy money is gone….
November 8th, 2008 at 10:43 am
I simply said compared to many other cities Vancouver is relatively good value.
It isn’t. Value for an asset means yield, and yield on Vancouver RE is among the lowest in the world.
Rents in all other cities (I really don’t think there are any exceptions) that are as expensive as Vancouver are way higher.
“Cheaper” does not mean “better value”. Not for houses, not for stocks, and really not for anything.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:37 am
How can it possibly be a great time to buy when you can buy an equivalent place for 40-60% less by waiting? And pay less monthly to rent that same place. Retire 5 years earlier! Simply by ignoring people desperate for a commission check. Anyone in the RE industry does not have your best interest at heart! More broadly, ANYONE who gets paid or not depending on your choice is NOT a source for unbiased advice.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Some very enlightened posters on here who can obviously put a view across eloquently and politely.
Conversely some obviously very rude and I suspect intellectually inadequate people who take any point of view apparently contrary to theirs as a personal affront.
I say apparently because nowhere in my post did I “talk up” the market. I simply said compared to many other cities Vancouver is relatively good value. And I have no doubt it is going to become better value because the market is going to continue to correct. That will be good news for people who want to enter the market but perhaps not such good news for those who have lost their jobs as they will not be able to take advantage of the lower prices will they?
So my point is simply this – are people here hoping for lower prices at any cost (including severe unemployment with its attendant vices) simply so they can revel in other people having lost money (in many cases only on paper)? Or are they looking forward to lower prices as that will make home ownership a reality for many more people – in which case how do they reconcile that with the unemployment they see as a contributing factor to the decline?
With best wishes – (even to the “wankers”)
P
November 8th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Rates of pay:One should read $480 per hours
November 8th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Drachen,
A group of people can make some one fool for while but after adjustment of job loss,home prices,income etc. the strongest part or big fishes are ready to play again.
Lets do some math http://poll.pollhost.com/cm9iY.....Nzb3J0ZWQ/
Top 85 bears bloggers make more than $1 Million plus means atleast $240 per hour are they willing to work on half prices? Answer is no because they might think that $240 per hour is not insane rates according to their current status they deserve that rate of pay but they are wishful to stop the money flow to damage real estate prices are willing to tell other part of society that real estate prices are insane.
If they use their option to run society perfectly they can stop the demolision of society by buying according to their age,if they are home owner stick to their unit unless trade is required to upgrade their space area not to flip flop and re-enter otherwise this transaction will go through job loss not necesserily their jobs but some one else’s job.
I don’t think i can write 10 page this time but the reality is real estate prices in Vancouver type of cities in the world virtualy poised to never go down however lots of people act as a crocodiles,make other fool or foreclose others home to re-enter at low then start riding high.The best thing is people on the bottom line or middle line should use their option anytime to buy principle residence then don’t look for market trend ever just enjoy your life.
November 8th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Anyone got an update on the Ritz – Carlton excavation hole ? ( Last update was that work had again commenced )
— still digging ?
— stopped work ?
— or completed ?
November 8th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Dave: are you still telling Vancouverites it’s a great time to buy if the metrics are right?
Yes, if the metrics are right for an individual, then it is indeed a great time to buy.
November 8th, 2008 at 9:49 am
“You guys should watch re-runs of flip that house, good humour. dont think they are making any more episodes. so how do you bear renters feel every day knowing you are saving around $500.”
Greed,
I can’t speak for the other bears, but I can tell you It feels almost orgasmic, to see how some of the fools who thought they were financial geniuses because they listened to the Bill Good Show, finally get their comeuppance.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t have anything against legitimate returns on legitimate calculated risk, that’s all good with me.
But RE pimps, who damage the economy and stress families should be taxed out of existence, but the problem is that the legislators themselves whether provincial or municipal may be living off the avails of the RE whores.
Otherwise why would they all be on the bandwagon, cheerleading the Olympic BS?
November 8th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Nobody
Ahh, so given that your argument is essentially that prices cannot fall.
And, given that prices are falling.
Which one is wrong, you or reality?
November 8th, 2008 at 9:38 am
“because the circus is over and normalcy will return”
Freako,
Why the cost is runing over on lots of projects?
If current market situation or your excpected further normalcy justify your opinion then cost shouldn’t be runing over it means home price are worth higher but SOME PART OF SOCIETY IS A SICK who’s wishful thinking is to stop the money flow (a wheel of economy).
Regarding job loss:Nobody knows if those employees are home owners or tenents so you can’t use their impact on real estate but you can use their impact on economy then the responsible group is a sick part of society who stop the money flow,A wishful Damage to our
employement,society,and economy.
November 8th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Financial woes follow Olympic builder to W. Van
http://www.canada.com/theprovi.....14c93192a3
“Prices may not hold up [in the future],” Somerville said”
“Whistler mayor worried about Intrawest debt restructuring
Refinancing deal may involve $1.4 billion”
http://www.canada.com/vancouve.....74d30c1e73
“The debt — trading at less than 70 cents on the dollar — is due on Thursday and Intrawest owner Fortress Investment Group has approached lenders about a refinancing deal involving $1.4 billion in senior debt, according to a Financial Times report”
Dave: are you still telling Vancouverites it’s a great time to buy if the metrics are right?
November 8th, 2008 at 9:31 am
#110. looks like one of those sophisticated flippers is going to get burnt. You guys should watch re-runs of flip that house, good humour. dont think they are making any more episodes. so how do you bear renters feel every day knowing you are saving around $500. I am one of the few around town skipping and whistling. I pick it up a notch whenever I see a hard hat construction worker, a realtor or some dumb ass 20 something YO driving a fancy truck or SUV.
November 8th, 2008 at 9:27 am
It seems most housing economists are predicting a greater correction than last time around, but not by much.
These of course are the very same people who last spring were saying that house prices would keep going up.
If you want to get an accurate prediction of the magnitude of the coming decline, how about listening to the people who were right about the decline in the first place? In other words, us.
You also don’t seem (or don’t want) to understand that the US recession’s root cause is the debt-fueled bubble economy of the last half-dozen years, which has been replicated in BC with an even lower savings rate. The cause of the upcoming global recession is the global housing bubble. BC is not some innocent bystander, it was one of the most enthusiastic participants.
And one last thing – I’m not interested in defending Glen Clark, among other things because he’s the guy who brought the Olympics to Vancouver, but if you think the real price peak in 1995 was sustainable and prices would have kept going up if there had been a change in government the next year, you’re as out of it as the people who predicted earlier this year that prices would keep going up. Oh I forgot – you are one of the people who predicted that prices would keep going up.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:47 am
” “So ignore the stress, disruption, and potentially devastating effect on all the individuals and families involved but rejoice in the fact this might have some effect on prices.”
Oh, I intend to. Who was wringing their hands and crying crocodile tears for MY family when we were shut out of the market. You, Pandora? Do you have any regard for the disruption the bubble has caused for many families like mine? ” +++++
” WITH THE PURCHASE OF THIS HOUSE COMES A FREE TRIP FOR 2 TO LAS VEGAS AND FREE LOCAL MOVING FROM R & R MOVERS “++++
My comment: Wow.. las vegas and free moving?!! Well, I guess I will have to line up with all eager buyers and take part in a bidding war!! OMG.. HOW TIMES CHANGED, in a matter of months. A bidding war!! Remember?
Like Dingus, I guess my attitude is the same. I have always been an orderly chick, saving, no habits, forgoing things, been told by even low income peeps, if people were like me, there would be no economy. I stand by: if they want too much, they get nothing, I substitute or change goals.
Walk away.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:44 am
the 90’s was BCs lost decade. The NDP mismanaged our economy while the rest of North America did well.
Ok,leave the political affiliation out of it for just a moment, but consider this.
Maybe, just maybe what is crowed about as a “strong economy” was just the result of people, en masse, being suckered into taking on debt and spending it. That does mean an apparent boost to the economy, but it is not real, not sustainable and certainly not beneficial to those poor suckers who are now seeing the paper wealth of their homes and stocks evaporate while the debt IS STILL THERE, demanding monthly payments as the economy gives up the artificial boost and then some. All the while ignoring any real and sustainable growth, in fact allowing massive amounts of production to be lost.
During a time of recession, a temporary boost of this nature may be warranted, with trepidation and caution, but we (at least our fearless leaders) used this technique continuously, throwing more gasoline everytime the flames started to die down. Recently this has stopped working! The bed is made at this point. Sleep well.
I could rant on for hours, but must go.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:21 am
So ignore the stress, disruption, and potentially devastating effect on all the individuals and families involved but rejoice in the fact this might have some effect on prices. Utterly charming.
You posted in the other thread, and got some honest answers from the bear perspective. For somebody who has stayed sane during the this senseless mania, the unravelling is welcome news. Those construction jobs should never have existed in the first place.
Analogy: You are a clean athlete competing against steroid and growth hormone filled monsters. You soldier on, but keep getting your ass handed to you. A new drug test is developed, and all the cheaters get nailed. The clean athletes are very happy about this. However, Pandora pipes in and scolds the clean athletes. First, they shouldn’t be happy about the other athletes demise, they have families to feed. Second, now the quality of the athletes will decline.
He totally misses the point that the “cheaters” success was an illusion, and the downfall was inevitable. A clean athlete would be excited, because the circus is over and normalcy will return. He is not happy per se about the pesonal negative impact on the athletes being disqualified, but he does feel that they are responsible for their own downfall, as well as the dislocations they have caused.
November 8th, 2008 at 8:10 am
” Market Intelligence Subscriptions
British Columbia
Vancouver Lower Mainland: $ 5,950.00
Yeah, that is funny. They collect good money to hand out dish out industry propaganda. As you probably know, CUCBC charges for Pastrick’s reports. If I paid money for that advice and relied on it, I’d be MIGHTY pissed.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Deflect away, but I can only assume you agree with my response to your statement of ‘nowhere near’.
And no, we have no yet equaled that decline. We are about 10% down from the peak. It seems most housing economists are predicting a greater correction than last time around, but not by much. The US economic recession will obviously be a major factor in that outcome.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:52 am
Repeating the same lies won’t change reality.
Got that right Dave. If the facts on the ground are any indication, we have already equaled the decline of the late 90’s in just over 6 months.
Spin that one.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:49 am
How come people never compare Vancouver prices to Seattle, which is only 150 miles away, bigger, has lower taxes, and has more major employers than Vancouver – Microsoft, Boeing, Starbucks, Costco, etc. ?
Oh right – Seattle is a lot cheaper, and still people there say it’s overpriced.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Patriotz – “Last time” was the late 90’s. The runup had been nowhere near what we have seen in the last 6 years, and the economy both here and in the US was doing well (forest industry healthy, dot-com boom).
So what have we got now? RE bubble, dead forest industry, US recession. Now when have we seen that before? Not in the 90’s, folks. Put on some Dire Straits, because that’s what we’re headed for.
Repeating the same lies won’t change reality.
The run from 87 to 94 is basically identical to the one from 01 to 08. Same period of time and the same percent run-up from the bottom.
The dot-com bubble didn’t start until after the mid 1990’s, well after the previous real estate boom in BC.
If anything, the 90’s was BCs lost decade. The NDP mismanaged our economy while the rest of North America did well. Were you not here at the time? I remember and will not forget.
November 8th, 2008 at 6:25 am
“Whatever the prices are (or perhaps were is more apt!) in Vancouver, they looked fairly attractive as against NY, London or Paris psf.”
No, they didn’t. This comment is precisely why the crash in Vancouver is going to be huge. I am a Canadian who has been living in England for over 10 years. I have been planning on returning to Vancouver for several years now and have found myself priced out of the Vancouver market.
But the thing is, although I prefer Vancouver over all of those cities, most people know nothing about the place. Vancouver is NOT comparable to London, NY or Paris. It does NOT have anything like what these places have to offer in terms of employment. Those cities are so huge economically that they operate more like city-states. They have economies bigger than some countries. There are over 300 banks based in London alone. OK this is contributing to the problems there, but believe me London will survive and prosper in the long run.
Vancouver, on the other hand, had property prices that at the peak were actually comparable to London. Two bedroom condos priced between $500K and $1M. People buying properties without surveys because they were in a bidding war. This didn’t even happen in England during the heights of the boom here! Absolutely ridiculous.
This is why the crash is going to be so bad.
For me though, it is good news, because I will finally be able to return home, after the dust settles.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:40 am
“$419000 Don’t be FOOLED by the headlines! (SW Maple Ridge)
Now is the best time to be buying or moving up while prices are back at affordable levels.”
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.....31536.html
November 8th, 2008 at 5:35 am
WITH THE PURCHASE OF THIS HOUSE COMES A FREE TRIP FOR 2 TO LAS VEGAS AND FREE LOCAL MOVING FROM R & R MOVERS
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.....11426.html
Free trip anyone? Now how could you pass up free moving from R&R movers. That’s R&R movers, folks. Now is your chance.
November 8th, 2008 at 5:03 am
Ah yes, Telegraph Road from Love over Gold, 1982. How appropriate.
And just to show you that great minds think alike:
patriotz said…
Ozzie showed up on Global and agreed that prices would fall but don’t worry it only dropped 17% over 3 years in Vancouver last time.
“Last time” was the late 90’s. The runup had been nowhere near what we have seen in the last 6 years, and the economy both here and in the US was doing well (forest industry healthy, dot-com boom).
So what have we got now? RE bubble, dead forest industry, US recession. Now when have we seen that before? Not in the 90’s, folks. Put on some Dire Straits, because that’s what we’re headed for.
June 3, 2008 8:51 PM
http://househuntvictoria.blogs.....-sign.html
November 8th, 2008 at 4:24 am
I wonder who is pulling out their old Dire Straights album and CDs. It seems a good time for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYzzJWW4nY
“I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there’s no work here to be found
Yes and they say were gonna have to pay whats owed
Were gonna have to reap from some seed that’s been sowed
And the birds up on the wires and the telegraph poles
They can always fly away from this rain and this cold
You can hear them singing out their telegraph code
All the way down the telegraph road
You know Id sooner forget but I remember those nights
When life was just a bet on a race between the lights
You had your head on my shoulder you had your hand in my hair
Now you act a little colder like you don’t seem to care
But believe in me baby and Ill take you away
From out of this darkness and into the day
From these rivers of headlights these rivers of rain
From the anger that lives on the streets with these names
cos Ive run every red light on memory lane
Ive seen desperation explode into flames
And I dont want to see it again. . .”
November 8th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Alex: Gotcha. I love those old girls, several of them kicked my ass in a half marathon.
Quite frankly I find it more then a little disturbing that krrish seems to have developed a scullboy2 persona. Hey krrish, what the hell is that about? It seems to belie a certain desire to be me, which in turn pulls the rug out from under your random bullish babblings.
Oh, I know, it’s hard to resist… I imagine you as one ugly little homonculous so it’s gotta be hard to know there’s an attractive, successful gay dude running circles around you mentally, making fun of your mom and encouraging others to point and laugh…. but dude, taking my name? That’s a little Single White Female, don’t you think?
Is it that you envy my looks, my Casanova love ‘em and leave ‘em lifestyle, or the freedom to change careers that I enjoy and you don’t? C’mon dude ….. you can tell me. It’s ok, I understand….. between the crappy warehouse job, the ugly spouse (admit it, your mate’s fuggers) or the awful dawning realization that this is as good as it will get…. why wouldn’t you want to escape?
Maybe you should do something constructive, like watching the equity in your Tranny Towers sh*tbox disappear. Or…. you know…. talk to Mrs. Fuggers. I’m sure she appreciates your company way more then we do.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:35 am
Pandora,
Are you being dumb?
November 8th, 2008 at 2:33 am
Pandora,
There is a mad rush to exit the market. Prices are falling. Get out now while you can. Tell your friends not to be stupid.
November 8th, 2008 at 2:26 am
Anonymous 23,
You are dumb.
November 8th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Some more good news in Vancouver….
http://www.canada.com/theprovi.....14c93192a3
November 7th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Scullboy:
Chill, I’m more savvy than that. It’s more the effect on browntown I like.
I do the grouse grind a LOT. You should see the face of some cocky young bucks when a woman old enough to be their grandmother passes them! That’s the picture I had in mind.