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Onni to liquidate 375 condo units

Over the last week or two on this site readers A1 and Macchiato have posted rumors that a local developer was getting ready to announce big price cuts to clear out unsold condo units.. According to the CBC it looks like those rumors may be coming true. Developer Onni has 375 condo’s that aren’t selling and the CBC is reporting that they will be liquidating these units in a ‘dutch auction’, which could potentially set a new low price point for the thousands of condo units still to be completed over the next couple of years.

The CBC is reporting that Onni will be holding a media event on Thursday to announce details. If you find a link to more information on this story, please post it in the comments section.

update: Lilypad posted a link to this PDF advertising the sale, it does not appear to be a ‘dutch auction’ as CBC radio reported, but the PDF does not include a lot of detail. It does include the following as part of a FAQ:

Is it auction??
No. It is a bulk purchase. There is no extra contract work of any kind required.
What are the homes being discounted??
Aggressive speculators lined up overnight at launches to scoop up prime units and then could not ﬂip them before completion. Many could not afford to complete and lost 15% deposits. Much of the available inventory is made up of these homes. They are 375 completed, fully warranted, brand new, never occupied homes featuring the latest ﬁnishings and amenities.
Where??
Spread over seven projects located across the Lower Mainland.

They also include the following comments on prices:

How inexpensive will they be??
These homes will sell under assessed values, current comparables and independent market appraisals at prices that get buyers very, very excited.
Why is the developer selling for such low prices??
These homes are standing inventory and costing the developer strata fees, property taxes, capital carrying cost and other costs. Also, many of these homes have been partially paid for by the abandoned deposits of speculators.

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escada

11 years ago

re: Liquidation sale by Onni upto 40% on pre-sale price: I went to Onni's surrey location, Escada to see if I could buy a condo. First few days they showed different condos saying all of them were 25% off. They quoted the price $289,900 less 25% for a condo I liked. When I went to sign the sale offer contract, they increased the price to 334,000 for the same condo. After a brief discussion they agreed to give me 35% off to bring the discounted price to what was quoted a day ago. The Onni sales rep prepared the sale contract and I signed it. After 2 days I was told the "vendor", Onni has increased the price again. Now I was told to make a counter offer, $30,000 more than that was quoted, agreed and put on the original… Read more »

Stephen xoxox

11 years ago

scary thing is we are entering a depression… Irving Fisher argued that the predominant factor leading to the Great Depression was over indebtedness and deflation. Fisher tied loose credit to over-indebtedness, which fueled speculation and asset bubble. He then outlined 9 factors interacting with one another under conditions of debt and deflation to create the mechanics of boom to bust. The chain of events proceeded as follows: 1. Debt liquidation and distress selling (check) 2. Contraction of the money supply as bank loans are paid off (check) 3. A fall in the level of asset prices (check) 4. A still greater fall in the net worth of business, precipitating bankruptcies (check) 5. A fall in profits (check) 6. A reduction in output, in trade and in employment. (check) 7. Pessimism and loss of confidence (check) 8. Hoarding of money (check)… Read more »

Stoxxman

11 years ago

RCMP embroiled in family feud over Whistler condo Arrested, handcuffed in front of own unit. Susan Lazaruk, The Province Published: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 A Vancouver businessman is suing the RCMP after officers arrested and handcuffed him, his son and a business associate while sitting in his Hummer outside his Whistler condo. Donato De Cotiis is seeking damages for "battery, false imprisonment, assault, excessive use of force and carrying out their duties in a grossly negligent manner." "Apart from the physical pain and injury that he sustained, the actions by the RCMP and its officers has held him up to ridicule and damaged his reputation while he was entertaining an important business connection," his B.C. Supreme Court writ said in reference to his guest, Robert Kanaat, a "successful American businessman in the computer industry who had sold his company to… Read more »

Stoxxman

11 years ago

Confessions of an Onni site superintendent … I did indeed briefly work for the De Cotiss Onni brothers grim. I quit after 2 weeks. (they shorted my cheque too) There are at very least two major flaws (of many) with the building and business practices of the De Cotiss clan. 1. What the engineer and drawings say is irrelevant to what actually gets built. We poured a very large slab and the design called for 6 inches of concrete. In the end that slab was less than 4 inches thick. Savings for the multi-millionaires? Probably close to 6 figures. There was a major crack in the foundation and the engineer required a relatively simple structural fix. The crack was patched and hidden and remains to this day. 2. The De Cotiss do not pay their tradesmen for completion of work… Read more »

Stoxxman

11 years ago

Of course on the other hand the taxpayer sponsored luxury condos at Millennieum Water are being built for $ 800 per foot.

Just goes to show how much taxpayers will get screwed on THAT deal. Almost certainly $ 300 million down the freakin tubes and thats assuming things in the condo market won't get any worse.

Stoxxman

11 years ago

So the De Cotiss braintrust have a 40% off sale when the current value is probably half the original asking price and dropping like a rock, every month?

$ 400 a foot for a shoebox in Richmond doesn't sound like much of a deal to get excited about, particulalry with the De Cotiss reputation for quality. People should wait beyond March 7 to roll the bones on an overpriced condo … I believe there will be more than one desperately broke developer willing to sell at virtually any price and soon enough.

squidly77

11 years ago

whoa..something stinks in vancouver..

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Onni has bad reputat

11 years ago

Onni teamed up with Mac because they were receiving bad press lately, leaving many buyers unhappy with the quality and service. Once they get your money they don't care about you anymore. So they are using Macs name to help them sell.

Be careful and really do your research when buying a condo. If you don't trust me just visit a site and look at a vacant suite and look at the quality. You'll see what I'm talking about.

Onni is crap

11 years ago

I'm renting at Suter Brook Village and I heard that Room Living has been leaking on the 7th floor. Also the underground parking in Aria is leaking water in several areas. Definitely do NOT buy or you'll be sorry. I have a friend who worked at the site and said quality isn't the greatest.

Onni's prices reflect 2007 with a 25-40% discount on top of that. So in realty you aren't getting the deal they say you are.

Buyers be very careful, it may be worth while to wait and see prices drop further.

TUT

11 years ago

real state crak: For sure, and I feel sad for them. Still if they plan to live in this (overpriced) units for several years, assuming that they're lucky enough to meet the payments, they will be somehow better than those flippers that borrowed money from their equity and are now risking to lose everything. Regarding the purchase or a home in the current situation I agree that it is a very difficult decision but I don't dare to call anyone stupid for doing it. Right now the future does not look very promising for most of us, but if we look at our own families a couple of generations before we may find that they lived through tougher times that ourselves and not only survived but gave us the opportunity to be in this planet, with all its glory and… Read more »

alexcanuck

11 years ago

onni owner:

Ever thought about why you don't have any money?

MrBear

11 years ago

Millennium Under Water is so boring next to this freak show. March 7 is going to be fun to watch; any hypothetical buyers will earn every bit of pain they get out of the deal. The key word being hypothetical, of course. Who would be crazy enough to buy?

Speaking of accidents you can't peel your eyes away from, when is Woodwards going to complete? Google gives me dates between Sept 2008 and Dec 2009. That's going to be a disaster – looking for the completion date I found a one bedroom for sale at $650/sf. Granite and stainless, no doubt. I guess that makes it worthwhile, right?

arit

11 years ago

MickeyFinn:

"And we all know that when markets correct, they typically over shoot the mean. "

That is the key point of interest to me. I have a "nasty" feeling that the overshoot will be dramatic. How dramatic? Could we see those Vancouver shacks on Oak that were selling for 1,000,000 suddenly go for 18,000? In Detroit nicer houses go for 1$…

"My prediction is that Onni will sell very little if any product on March 7th."

I am with you on that one, but we still win, as that sets the new prices for January. Did we say "Spring from Hell 2009" yet in this thread?

Regards

arit

real estate crack

11 years ago

TUT:

wouldn't you feel stupid if you bought recently? wouldn't you feel stupid if you buy now knowing that the market is in free fall.

TUT

11 years ago

I've been this morning at Sutter Brook (Port Mody) ans seen several units al Libra (Low rises). The price reduction is exactly 100$ less per square foot. The unist was originally $419,000 and has 960n sqft, thus 436$ per sqft, no reduced to 336$ sets the price at $323,000, or 27% less. This is only an example and, possibly, cannot be generalized but it fits with the initial statement made by Onni of reducing 20% to 40%.

My two cents.

MickeyFinn

11 years ago

I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall in the meeting room when the owners and management of Onni Developments were discussing the risks and rewards associated with holding a fire sale of their unsold inventory. You know of course that they had to address the question of whether this was tantamount to soiling their own bed. After all, they were essentially making a decision to announce that they've screwed-up and that they have more inventory than they know what to do with… in a falling market (ouch). Worse yet, they must have discussed the fact that every other developer in the Province would now hate them. Before this move by Onni, the Vancouver area real estate developers were living by an unspoken code. The most important unspoken code when the proverbial shite hits the fan:… Read more »

real estate crack

11 years ago

Vansanity:

the result is this

"Add it all up, and economists believe unemployment is set to jump dramatically over the next two years, and no province or industry is immune. TD Economics estimates 251,000 jobs will be lost over the next nine months."

VERY BAD NEWS

Vansanity

11 years ago

Hopefully the delusional can understand this: Credit has tightened. Capice? "What does that mean, angry blogger?" It means that the party is OVER!

Picture the amount of debt (money) floating around, reduced after the banks (money creators aka lenders) realized that the debts were unable to be paid, ala the bubble they created had burst. Credit tightened.

Remember all those hundreds of billions of write-downs and losses last year around the globe? What did you think the impact would be after the amount of money floating through the system shrank?

Here's a hint: Picture the exact opposite of the last decade.

People are not delusional, they are f**king stupid!

real estate crack

11 years ago

http://blog.macleans.ca/2009/01/08/the-employment…

zoloft

11 years ago

sorry exx, random error

TD Economics predicts 250,000 jobs will be lost in the NEXT NINE MONTHS. Maybe not a good time to get suckered into the condo market. It may not be safe to get back in the water.

http://blog.macleans.ca/2009/01/08/the-employment…

zoloft

11 years ago

exx:

sorry exx, a random error.

TD Economics predicts 250,000 jobs will be lost in the next 9 months. They call it an 'Employment Storm'. many of them will not be buying anything like condos. Maybe it's not a good time to get suckered into thinking that it's OK to get back in the water.

http://blog.macleans.ca/2009/01/08/the-employment…

exx

11 years ago

Wow, I'm popular today…

92, 94, 96 & 97 were not posted by me.

exx

11 years ago

onni owner:

nice sales pitch, got any bridges for sale Mr. Real Estate Agent?

exx

11 years ago

slade:

suckers abound

onni owner

11 years ago

I currently live in one of the developments onni is trying to sell off. It's a shame it had to come to this. The unit is very well finished un-like other people seem to be writting on here. I am jealous of anybody who gets a unit at a better deal. If I had more cash kicking around, I'd get another.

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