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		<title>By: mousie</title>
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		<dc:creator>mousie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with #1.  I think it sums it up. 
 
High cost of housing is bad for society.  It made me think of fleeing, it made me not wanting to spend, it made me uncertain of the future.  So what do one do?  One gets into the prepare for disaster mode:  spend as little as possible, get rid off stuff, be prepared to move on a short notice, and be very careful of whom you may trust. 
Apparently I could not trust the media, the blingy realtors, the government, or banks.   
So, being observant, making own sense out of the mess,  I had to rely on my own gut, logic, thinking. 
Nobody I knew had gotten any raises, so how can housing keep going up like this?  The media did not say anything that would make the equation work, searched the internet - somebody, there must be somebody out there that must have felt something was out of kilter.  Salvation: Vancouver Housing blog.  Finally, I felt I was not some weird loner, an outcast that refused to follow the lemmels.  I am a thinking human and happy to find other humans that questioned and think. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-45710&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with #1.  I think it sums it up.</p>
<p>High cost of housing is bad for society.  It made me think of fleeing, it made me not wanting to spend, it made me uncertain of the future.  So what do one do?  One gets into the prepare for disaster mode:  spend as little as possible, get rid off stuff, be prepared to move on a short notice, and be very careful of whom you may trust.</p>
<p>Apparently I could not trust the media, the blingy realtors, the government, or banks.  </p>
<p>So, being observant, making own sense out of the mess,  I had to rely on my own gut, logic, thinking.</p>
<p>Nobody I knew had gotten any raises, so how can housing keep going up like this?  The media did not say anything that would make the equation work, searched the internet &#8211; somebody, there must be somebody out there that must have felt something was out of kilter.  Salvation: Vancouver Housing blog.  Finally, I felt I was not some weird loner, an outcast that refused to follow the lemmels.  I am a thinking human and happy to find other humans that questioned and think.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re talking about unemployment all right. Just pay attention to the posts. 
 
I lost my own job in 1982, so I&#039;ve never thought &quot;it could never happen to me&quot;. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-45619&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#039;re talking about unemployment all right. Just pay attention to the posts.</p>
<p>I lost my own job in 1982, so I&#039;ve never thought &quot;it could never happen to me&quot;.
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is nobody here talking about unemployment?  It doesn&#039;t matter if you are a bear or a bull, losing your job, and maybe not finding another one for months are going to seriously impact your ability to pay your mortgage or keep your down payment savings intact.  Everyone seems to think &quot;it could never happen to me&quot;. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-45618&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is nobody here talking about unemployment?  It doesn&#039;t matter if you are a bear or a bull, losing your job, and maybe not finding another one for months are going to seriously impact your ability to pay your mortgage or keep your down payment savings intact.  Everyone seems to think &quot;it could never happen to me&quot;.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-45614&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dan&lt;/a&gt;:  
&lt;i&gt;At least when/if your home goes down in value 50%, you still have a home to live in, not just a piece of paper saying you own a home.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
What you have is a piece of paper that says you &quot;own&quot; a house worth, say, 300K, and another piece of paper that says you owe the bank 600K on which you have to pay interest for decades. 
 
To stay in that house, you have to pay the bank twice as much as to rent the same house. 
 
You don&#039;t really own anything. The bank owns you. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-45617&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-45614" rel="nofollow">dan</a>: </p>
<p><i>At least when/if your home goes down in value 50%, you still have a home to live in, not just a piece of paper saying you own a home.</i></p>
<p>What you have is a piece of paper that says you &quot;own&quot; a house worth, say, 300K, and another piece of paper that says you owe the bank 600K on which you have to pay interest for decades.</p>
<p>To stay in that house, you have to pay the bank twice as much as to rent the same house.</p>
<p>You don&#039;t really own anything. The bank owns you.
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I have a 2.5% interest rate on my 5 year fixed rate, closed term mortgage, so it is possible... but I didn&#039;t just walk off the street and get that and understand that rate might not be possible for everyone. 
 
My examples were over simplified.  There are so many things to consider if it&#039;s the right time to buy.  Inflation and higher rates do put pressure on real estate prices, but after it normalizes, I think higher inflation and higher rates actually deliver a benefit to those who have mortgages since home prices catch up with the inflation (historically), but the amount you owe on your mortgage doesn&#039;t. 
 
Nobody can predict where prices will be exactly in 1, 5, or 10 years.  If I had to guess, I&#039;d say in 1 year they will be down.  I wouldn&#039;t even bother to guess about 5 years or 10 years. 
 
You do have to look at real estate as an investment, but when stocks are down 50%, you have a 50% loss (on paper anyways).  At least when/if your home goes down in value 50%, you still have a home to live in, not just a piece of paper saying you own a home. 
 
I think this blog serves a useful purpose, but it isn&#039;t really a great place to share different opinions.  People who are real estate bears tend to flock here and support each other, and there will always be real estate bears, even at the very very bottom of the market (which we won&#039;t know until we are looking back at it!) &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-45614&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I have a 2.5% interest rate on my 5 year fixed rate, closed term mortgage, so it is possible&#8230; but I didn&#039;t just walk off the street and get that and understand that rate might not be possible for everyone.</p>
<p>My examples were over simplified.  There are so many things to consider if it&#039;s the right time to buy.  Inflation and higher rates do put pressure on real estate prices, but after it normalizes, I think higher inflation and higher rates actually deliver a benefit to those who have mortgages since home prices catch up with the inflation (historically), but the amount you owe on your mortgage doesn&#039;t.</p>
<p>Nobody can predict where prices will be exactly in 1, 5, or 10 years.  If I had to guess, I&#039;d say in 1 year they will be down.  I wouldn&#039;t even bother to guess about 5 years or 10 years.</p>
<p>You do have to look at real estate as an investment, but when stocks are down 50%, you have a 50% loss (on paper anyways).  At least when/if your home goes down in value 50%, you still have a home to live in, not just a piece of paper saying you own a home.</p>
<p>I think this blog serves a useful purpose, but it isn&#039;t really a great place to share different opinions.  People who are real estate bears tend to flock here and support each other, and there will always be real estate bears, even at the very very bottom of the market (which we won&#039;t know until we are looking back at it!)
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		<title>By: Noname</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you pay $2100 per month for 5 years, what difference it makes whether you call $45K interest or $100K interest? The only thing matters is the outstanding balance of your mortgage after 5 years because you simply paid $2100X60=$126K. There is no way anyone can get a mortgage at 2.5%, even variable. The best 5 year rate you can get now is 3.7%. The best 10 year rate you can get is 5%. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-45590&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you pay $2100 per month for 5 years, what difference it makes whether you call $45K interest or $100K interest? The only thing matters is the outstanding balance of your mortgage after 5 years because you simply paid $2100X60=$126K. There is no way anyone can get a mortgage at 2.5%, even variable. The best 5 year rate you can get now is 3.7%. The best 10 year rate you can get is 5%.
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		<title>By: ella</title>
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		<dc:creator>ella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no goldbug, but I feel like one world currency is a TERRIBLE idea. Not that terrible ideas have been stopped before... &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-45541&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m no goldbug, but I feel like one world currency is a TERRIBLE idea. Not that terrible ideas have been stopped before&#8230;
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		<title>By: blueskies</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;China calls for new reserve currency&lt;/b&gt; 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/ch4skl&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/ch4skl&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-45517&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>China calls for new reserve currency</b></p>
<p>  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ch4skl" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ch4skl</a>
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		<title>By: blueskies</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueskies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;China has put in a proposal to the IMF for a world currency?&lt;/i&gt; 
 
China + Amero = Chimero 
 
we are joined at the hip! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-45516&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>China has put in a proposal to the IMF for a world currency?</i></p>
<p>China + Amero = Chimero</p>
<p>we are joined at the hip!
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		<title>By: ella</title>
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		<dc:creator>ella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it only an internet rumour or is it true that China has put in a proposal to the IMF for a world currency? 
 
! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-45507&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it only an internet rumour or is it true that China has put in a proposal to the IMF for a world currency?</p>
<p>!
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