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		<title>By: Someguy</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/04/regional-growth-strategy-meetings.html#comment-47059</link>
		<dc:creator>Someguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I appreciate the passionate remarks about Transit and Olympics etc. realpaul, NONE of the projects that you talk about are Metro Vancouver projects.  I understand that you are angry, but blind rage never solved anything. 
 
For a person that claims qualifications in Urban Economics, I would think you would know the difference between the Federal Government, Provincial Government, Regional Government, individual municipalities, Translink, VANOC, and individual developers.  So I would caution you against whining and complaining about every poor government decision and blaming everything on an individual organization that had as much control over the projects you describe as you do. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47059&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I appreciate the passionate remarks about Transit and Olympics etc. realpaul, NONE of the projects that you talk about are Metro Vancouver projects.  I understand that you are angry, but blind rage never solved anything.</p>
<p>For a person that claims qualifications in Urban Economics, I would think you would know the difference between the Federal Government, Provincial Government, Regional Government, individual municipalities, Translink, VANOC, and individual developers.  So I would caution you against whining and complaining about every poor government decision and blaming everything on an individual organization that had as much control over the projects you describe as you do.
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		<title>By: read on</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/04/regional-growth-strategy-meetings.html#comment-47044</link>
		<dc:creator>read on</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it really is irrational evening, isn&#039;t it?  Typical of the purile level of the argument on this blog (cogent posters such as Patriotz etc aside). &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47044&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it really is irrational evening, isn&#039;t it?  Typical of the purile level of the argument on this blog (cogent posters such as Patriotz etc aside).
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		<title>By: yaletowngirl</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/04/regional-growth-strategy-meetings.html#comment-47043</link>
		<dc:creator>yaletowngirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-47039&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;read on&lt;/a&gt;:  
 
#65 read on, are you really as stupid as you come off. Get your head out of your ass. Are you a girl? Talk about an over sensitive limpo. Were you breastfed until you twelve? 
 
D was right missy, Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Get a life. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47043&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-47039" rel="nofollow">read on</a>: </p>
<p>#65 read on, are you really as stupid as you come off. Get your head out of your ass. Are you a girl? Talk about an over sensitive limpo. Were you breastfed until you twelve?</p>
<p>D was right missy, Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Get a life.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/04/regional-growth-strategy-meetings.html#comment-47042</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-47040&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jesse&lt;/a&gt;:  
&lt;i&gt;I think the Libs have indicated boring for the planned line out to UBC.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Wouldn&#039;t have anything to do with the local MLA would it? 
 
Anyway, I&#039;d be surprised if the line ever gets farther west than Granville. There is nowhere near enough density to support underground rapid transit (compare with Toronto or Montreal), the local residents don&#039;t want increased density, nor do I think most of them want a line in the first place,  
 
That of course will not prevent the plans from being &quot;announced&quot; as regularly as the Second Coming. 
 
I think both political and economic considerations would favour expansion in Coquitlam, Surrey, and Langley where these negatives do not apply. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47042&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-47040" rel="nofollow">jesse</a>: </p>
<p><i>I think the Libs have indicated boring for the planned line out to UBC.</i></p>
<p>Wouldn&#039;t have anything to do with the local MLA would it?</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#039;d be surprised if the line ever gets farther west than Granville. There is nowhere near enough density to support underground rapid transit (compare with Toronto or Montreal), the local residents don&#039;t want increased density, nor do I think most of them want a line in the first place, </p>
<p>That of course will not prevent the plans from being &quot;announced&quot; as regularly as the Second Coming.</p>
<p>I think both political and economic considerations would favour expansion in Coquitlam, Surrey, and Langley where these negatives do not apply.
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		<title>By: read on</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/04/regional-growth-strategy-meetings.html#comment-47041</link>
		<dc:creator>read on</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it will be interesting to see whether the UBC line goes ahead given the current turmoil.  On the one hand, cost will be a consideration, but on the other, a great make-work scheme (infrastructure) while contracting costs are lower than boom times. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47041&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it will be interesting to see whether the UBC line goes ahead given the current turmoil.  On the one hand, cost will be a consideration, but on the other, a great make-work scheme (infrastructure) while contracting costs are lower than boom times.
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/04/regional-growth-strategy-meetings.html#comment-47040</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-47036&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patriotz&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Or why wasn&#8217;t the Arbutus corridor considered? Well those questions pretty well answer themselves.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Regarding Arbutus corridor, Cambie was the better choice anyways, given its proximity to higher density housing and shopping along its path. 
 
Interesting note: cut and cover was tried in Victorian London 150 years ago on the first tube lines and the results were the same as Vancouver&#039;s experience: pissed off residents and years of traffic congestion. London went to a tunnel boring method for most subsequent tube lines. I think the Libs have indicated boring for the planned line out to UBC. What&#039;s better is if the boring equipment and expertise stay local, it could well be subsequent tunneling costs decrease. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47040&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-47036" rel="nofollow">patriotz</a>: <i>&quot;Or why wasn&rsquo;t the Arbutus corridor considered? Well those questions pretty well answer themselves.&quot;</i></p>
<p>Regarding Arbutus corridor, Cambie was the better choice anyways, given its proximity to higher density housing and shopping along its path.</p>
<p>Interesting note: cut and cover was tried in Victorian London 150 years ago on the first tube lines and the results were the same as Vancouver&#039;s experience: pissed off residents and years of traffic congestion. London went to a tunnel boring method for most subsequent tube lines. I think the Libs have indicated boring for the planned line out to UBC. What&#039;s better is if the boring equipment and expertise stay local, it could well be subsequent tunneling costs decrease.
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		<title>By: read on</title>
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		<dc:creator>read on</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear yaletowngirl: 
 
&quot;DIR re # 57 this &#8216;read on&#8217; twit is obviously a troll. &quot; 
 
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How on earth am I a troll?  Denial makes blanket statements about salary and conditions across ALL fields, and then loses it when someone contradicts him.  In some fields (and only some, as I make no claims as to the general picture of living standards etc), professionals in Canada ARE better off then in the US and the UK.  In MY field (and that is all I am commenting on) things are better in CA than elsewhere.  I&#039;m talking specifics, not generalities. 
 
So, instead of addressing the poorly constructed nature of his/her argument, Denial retreats to the fortress of the ignorant: ad hominem attacks.  Good luck with that. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47039&quot;&gt;-4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear yaletowngirl:</p>
<p>&quot;DIR re # 57 this &lsquo;read on&rsquo; twit is obviously a troll. &quot;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>How on earth am I a troll?  Denial makes blanket statements about salary and conditions across ALL fields, and then loses it when someone contradicts him.  In some fields (and only some, as I make no claims as to the general picture of living standards etc), professionals in Canada ARE better off then in the US and the UK.  In MY field (and that is all I am commenting on) things are better in CA than elsewhere.  I&#039;m talking specifics, not generalities.</p>
<p>So, instead of addressing the poorly constructed nature of his/her argument, Denial retreats to the fortress of the ignorant: ad hominem attacks.  Good luck with that.
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		<title>By: the source</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/04/regional-growth-strategy-meetings.html#comment-47038</link>
		<dc:creator>the source</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skytrain is like any real estate investment, inflation/population growth/currency debasement make it a good call. Ten years from now the millenium line cost will look like chump change. The source knows these things. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47038&quot;&gt;-5&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skytrain is like any real estate investment, inflation/population growth/currency debasement make it a good call. Ten years from now the millenium line cost will look like chump change. The source knows these things.
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		<title>By: tragicspin</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/04/regional-growth-strategy-meetings.html#comment-47037</link>
		<dc:creator>tragicspin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has to be the most irresposible comment from a banker that I&#039;ve ever heard, 
 
&quot;&quot;This is a good thing for the home-buying market,&quot; John Turner, director of mortgages for BMO Financial Group, said in a conference call. 
 
For example, Turner said, the prime-rate cut brought the rate on BMO&#039;s five-year variable-rate mortgage to 3.05 per cent from 3.3 per cent, which would reduce payments on a $200,000 mortgage by $26 a month. 
 
While it doesn&#039;t sound like a lot, Turner said the reduction of rates &quot;brings more consumers into the market who likely may not have qualified before.&quot; 
 
 
Wait just a freaking minute. If a &#039;buyer&#039; is $26 dollars away from qualifying for a mortgage ( or not) is it a good idea to try and shoehorn the poor smhuck into a deathgrip ( latin for mortgage) at the lowest intrest rate in history. Rates can only go up, so why are they pimping real estate to people that really CAN&#039;T afford it if they are going to have to take it away in five years anyway when rates normalize and that Yahooooo !!!!! low intrest rate has doubled. Think about it. Someone who is barely qualified now is probably at the bottom of the income ladder has no way of increasing his income at the same rate as inflation, so he&#039;s guaranteed a screwing when rates go up. 
 
Are his friendly helpers at the realwhore office and bankster pimp considering the strata fees, increased property taxes, food price inflation ( $26 bucks don&#039;t go far) , utilities increase of 13%, transpo (up), Nah I didn&#039;t think so. A pimp doesn&#039;t usually guarantee the health of the john after the screwing. 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.househunting.ca/buying-homes/story.html?id=03aaf0cf-2e42-47d3-b53d-17eabbcb9205&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.househunting.ca/buying-homes/story.htm...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47037&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has to be the most irresposible comment from a banker that I&#039;ve ever heard,</p>
<p>&quot;&quot;This is a good thing for the home-buying market,&quot; John Turner, director of mortgages for BMO Financial Group, said in a conference call.</p>
<p>For example, Turner said, the prime-rate cut brought the rate on BMO&#039;s five-year variable-rate mortgage to 3.05 per cent from 3.3 per cent, which would reduce payments on a $200,000 mortgage by $26 a month.</p>
<p>While it doesn&#039;t sound like a lot, Turner said the reduction of rates &quot;brings more consumers into the market who likely may not have qualified before.&quot;</p>
<p>Wait just a freaking minute. If a &#039;buyer&#039; is $26 dollars away from qualifying for a mortgage ( or not) is it a good idea to try and shoehorn the poor smhuck into a deathgrip ( latin for mortgage) at the lowest intrest rate in history. Rates can only go up, so why are they pimping real estate to people that really CAN&#039;T afford it if they are going to have to take it away in five years anyway when rates normalize and that Yahooooo !!!!! low intrest rate has doubled. Think about it. Someone who is barely qualified now is probably at the bottom of the income ladder has no way of increasing his income at the same rate as inflation, so he&#039;s guaranteed a screwing when rates go up.</p>
<p>Are his friendly helpers at the realwhore office and bankster pimp considering the strata fees, increased property taxes, food price inflation ( $26 bucks don&#039;t go far) , utilities increase of 13%, transpo (up), Nah I didn&#039;t think so. A pimp doesn&#039;t usually guarantee the health of the john after the screwing.</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.househunting.ca/buying-homes/story.html?id=03aaf0cf-2e42-47d3-b53d-17eabbcb9205" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.househunting.ca/buying-homes/story.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.househunting.ca/buying-homes/story.htm</a>&#8230;
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-47017&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt;:  
&lt;i&gt;RAV was studied to death. We needed it. Opposing it based on the project structure was a disservice to all in the Lower Mainland.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
How about opposing it because it is simply too expensive and the ridership is unlikely to meet projections? How come an elevated line was OK for East Van and Burnaby but RAV had to go underground all the way to Marine Drive? Or why wasn&#039;t the Arbutus corridor considered? Well those questions pretty well answer themselves. 
 
If the ridership does not meet projections, local taxpayers are 100% responsible for meeting the shortfall. That means property tax increases and/or transit service cuts. Everyone likes big-ticket projects, until they find out who&#039;s going to pay for them - themselves. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47036&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-47017" rel="nofollow">Dave</a>: </p>
<p><i>RAV was studied to death. We needed it. Opposing it based on the project structure was a disservice to all in the Lower Mainland.</i></p>
<p>How about opposing it because it is simply too expensive and the ridership is unlikely to meet projections? How come an elevated line was OK for East Van and Burnaby but RAV had to go underground all the way to Marine Drive? Or why wasn&#039;t the Arbutus corridor considered? Well those questions pretty well answer themselves.</p>
<p>If the ridership does not meet projections, local taxpayers are 100% responsible for meeting the shortfall. That means property tax increases and/or transit service cuts. Everyone likes big-ticket projects, until they find out who&#039;s going to pay for them &#8211; themselves.
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