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		<title>By: VanBanker</title>
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		<dc:creator>VanBanker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jeff Barkley Says:Reply to this comment 
May 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pm 
It was a gold rush for the forest companies, at first, as they clear cut and sent all the logs to china.&quot; 
 
BC sells very little wood to China. The number one market is the US, with Japan a distant second. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47472&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>May 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pm</p>
<p>It was a gold rush for the forest companies, at first, as they clear cut and sent all the logs to china.&quot;</p>
<p>BC sells very little wood to China. The number one market is the US, with Japan a distant second.
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		<title>By: lemontory</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 09:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t forget to vote today!! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47453&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#039;t forget to vote today!!
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		<title>By: Strataman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strataman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 07:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay this is off topic but kinda fun! 
&quot;Its full impact on the UK is not likely to be known until the annual flu season in the autumn and winter, when a &quot;really major epidemic&quot; can be expected in the northern hemisphere, says Professor Ferguson.&quot; 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8045364.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8045364.stm&lt;/a&gt;  
 
So here is the scenario.HEADLINE Vancouver airport YVR has closed because of the world wide flue epidemic. Although well protected against the unlikely event of a terrorist attack YVR had absolutely NO infrared scanners for detecting fever and did not have even one well trained medical evaluation &quot;swat team&quot;. Due to this the winter Olympics has been canceled. However due to the large number of security personnel the facilities will be used as various police and army navy air force personal with nothing to do have a competition. :-) 
 
My comment? This is way more likely to happen then any terrorist attack! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47451&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay this is off topic but kinda fun!</p>
<p>&quot;Its full impact on the UK is not likely to be known until the annual flu season in the autumn and winter, when a &quot;really major epidemic&quot; can be expected in the northern hemisphere, says Professor Ferguson.&quot;</p>
<p>  <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8045364.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8045364.stm</a>  </p>
<p>So here is the scenario.HEADLINE Vancouver airport YVR has closed because of the world wide flue epidemic. Although well protected against the unlikely event of a terrorist attack YVR had absolutely NO infrared scanners for detecting fever and did not have even one well trained medical evaluation &quot;swat team&quot;. Due to this the winter Olympics has been canceled. However due to the large number of security personnel the facilities will be used as various police and army navy air force personal with nothing to do have a competition. <img src='http://vancouvercondo.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My comment? This is way more likely to happen then any terrorist attack!
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		<title>By: Clam Chowderhead</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/05/political-free-for-all.html#comment-47447</link>
		<dc:creator>Clam Chowderhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spring is here the bears should be waking up.  The Bulls have been busy nailing cows for the last couple of weeks. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47447&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spring is here the bears should be waking up.  The Bulls have been busy nailing cows for the last couple of weeks.
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		<title>By: Niko</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/05/political-free-for-all.html#comment-47445</link>
		<dc:creator>Niko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t there a political forum somewhere where you can talk politics? This was a real estate forum last time I checked. Let&#039;s keep it this way. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47445&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#039;t there a political forum somewhere where you can talk politics? This was a real estate forum last time I checked. Let&#039;s keep it this way.
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		<title>By: Galileo</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/05/political-free-for-all.html#comment-47443</link>
		<dc:creator>Galileo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moderation is a form of censorship. I will not post here anymore. Strange how people fear words...it seems that words, people feel, now have as much power as a gun to enforce harm.  
 
Or is it just that people&#039;s paranoia is now a force for good. I shudder at the thought. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47443&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderation is a form of censorship. I will not post here anymore. Strange how people fear words&#8230;it seems that words, people feel, now have as much power as a gun to enforce harm. </p>
<p>Or is it just that people&#039;s paranoia is now a force for good. I shudder at the thought.
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		<title>By: Galileo</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/05/political-free-for-all.html#comment-47442</link>
		<dc:creator>Galileo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DO NOT VOTE: The case. 
 
As everyone is well aware the participation rate among voters over the years is dropping. Many people have their reasons, especially politicians, and academics. It doesn&#039;t take a genius to understand that people do not get involved with something unless they feel they get something out of it. And that&#039;s the problem, voting is becoming more and more an action in futility. Politicians do not answer to the people, in fact they do not even listen to them, unless it is one of those very rare occasions when the People&#039;s ire is up. So why is this so? 
 
The problem is very simple to understand. We have a political system where the people are disengaged from how they wish to be governed. This disengagement is facilitated by the political system we have (and that exists in most countries of the world). Central to enabling this disengagement is the political party. Political parties are representative of the people&#039;s desire in name only. For they function strictly as an elitist organization with their own plutocratic goals, and really do not give a damn about the population as a whole. Parties foster their own special interests and look after their own agendas. It is this reason why, nothing ever really changes, because we vote for not a representative, we vote for an individual who is elected who will take orders from a political party that is not responsible to answering to, or interested in the will of the populace.  
 
Political parties get this power from us, when we vote. When you vote, you are doing several things that these parties want you to believe and not to know:  
 
- Firstly, it empowers their existence. By voting, you give away the control and responsibility that you thought you had for your life and your part in the decision making of how you would like the society that your apart of to be run. These parties then take it for granted that they can make decisions for you, even for those that you do not want them to. Voting only empowers the existence of political parties and the enslavement of yourself.  
 
- Secondly, parties do not formulate social policies by the people&#039;s will, they construct social policies behind closed doors by those who have vested interests in the way things are run. When you vote, you are not voting for someone to represent you. That so called representative has absolutely no power to make decisions or speak for you, for if they tried, they will get thrown out of the party. All you have voted for is for someone to take orders from a leader(s) that you have no direct control over. In short, you have only voted for a patsy, or puppet, that&#039;s all MLA&#039;s are.  
 
- Thirdly, and most importantly, you lose your entitlement to life. As everyone is well aware when you are part of a family, the everyday trials and tribulations that come to dealing with everyday issues, from the house budget, to just the ordinary joys of living, it enlivens you. Alas, this process is dying in modern democracies, people do not feel involved or attached to their communities as they once did. People often talk about community souls lacking, well you get that, when people do not feel they have any part in the running of their communities. This happens when you hand over the reins of your community, province or country to elitists. Like management of a home, a country&#039;s, province&#039;s or community&#039;s soul has to be enliven by the people, and that means the people must be allowed to be involved with the way things are run. This can never happen with party politics, even if you become a member of a political party, cause members are just puppets. The elitists are in control.  
 
So change the system you say? Change the way parties vote for each other like for instance with the Single Transferable Vote, STV. I have news for you, nothing will change. Why? Cause you will still have the same parties, with the same elitists, and the same backroom decision making. It is not the political voting structure that is the problem, it is the political infrastructure itself that is the problem! As someone who has lived under a form of STV in another country, I can tell you, politicians find ingenious ways to undermine the system, the crafty bastards they are.  
 
So what to do? Some thoughts.  
 
- Get rid of parties. Ban them. Do not allow the representative you voted for to form associations with other representatives. A representative must represent the people who elected him, absolutely.  
 
- Governance by federation. Representatives must come up with policy that is based upon the people&#039;s will. This can be done by voting by representing what their ridings want.  
 
- Get rid of multilevel governments. We do not need to have three level of governments, one representative for a riding is enough. Provincial issues will be handled by representatives in the respective provinces. City issues by the representatives in that city. 
 
- Open government. Government must be open to the people. People must be able to see how their representatives speak and act for them.  
 
Non of these things can happen with a political party oriented system. Don&#039;t make the mistake that you can change things from within. You can not. The vested interests in a political party will only keep things the way they are, they have no desire to changes things, especially if it means lessening their power. 
 
So what to do? 
 
To make changes first you have to get rid of the system you have. To do that, you have to take the political elites power away, and this is done through the vote. DO NOT VOTE. Yes this sounds counter intuitive but that is what must be done. No political party will have the nerve to run a country or province, if they win power with only a few percent of the electorate, if they did, it would eventually incite bloody revolution. Once they have no power, then things can be changed. Yes there will be turmoil for a short period of time. But eventually, the people will win. 
 
This was in kind how the first democracy was, in Greece two and half millennia ago. So it does work, in fact, in works very well, the only people who lose out, are the elites, and so they should, this is not their country, or province or city, IT IS OURS. 
 
So I say: DO NOT VOTE!  
 
Don&#039;t empower the political elites, they do not deserve to lead you. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47442&quot;&gt;-3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DO NOT VOTE: The case.</p>
<p>As everyone is well aware the participation rate among voters over the years is dropping. Many people have their reasons, especially politicians, and academics. It doesn&#039;t take a genius to understand that people do not get involved with something unless they feel they get something out of it. And that&#039;s the problem, voting is becoming more and more an action in futility. Politicians do not answer to the people, in fact they do not even listen to them, unless it is one of those very rare occasions when the People&#039;s ire is up. So why is this so?</p>
<p>The problem is very simple to understand. We have a political system where the people are disengaged from how they wish to be governed. This disengagement is facilitated by the political system we have (and that exists in most countries of the world). Central to enabling this disengagement is the political party. Political parties are representative of the people&#039;s desire in name only. For they function strictly as an elitist organization with their own plutocratic goals, and really do not give a damn about the population as a whole. Parties foster their own special interests and look after their own agendas. It is this reason why, nothing ever really changes, because we vote for not a representative, we vote for an individual who is elected who will take orders from a political party that is not responsible to answering to, or interested in the will of the populace. </p>
<p>Political parties get this power from us, when we vote. When you vote, you are doing several things that these parties want you to believe and not to know: </p>
<p>- Firstly, it empowers their existence. By voting, you give away the control and responsibility that you thought you had for your life and your part in the decision making of how you would like the society that your apart of to be run. These parties then take it for granted that they can make decisions for you, even for those that you do not want them to. Voting only empowers the existence of political parties and the enslavement of yourself. </p>
<p>- Secondly, parties do not formulate social policies by the people&#039;s will, they construct social policies behind closed doors by those who have vested interests in the way things are run. When you vote, you are not voting for someone to represent you. That so called representative has absolutely no power to make decisions or speak for you, for if they tried, they will get thrown out of the party. All you have voted for is for someone to take orders from a leader(s) that you have no direct control over. In short, you have only voted for a patsy, or puppet, that&#039;s all MLA&#039;s are. </p>
<p>- Thirdly, and most importantly, you lose your entitlement to life. As everyone is well aware when you are part of a family, the everyday trials and tribulations that come to dealing with everyday issues, from the house budget, to just the ordinary joys of living, it enlivens you. Alas, this process is dying in modern democracies, people do not feel involved or attached to their communities as they once did. People often talk about community souls lacking, well you get that, when people do not feel they have any part in the running of their communities. This happens when you hand over the reins of your community, province or country to elitists. Like management of a home, a country&#039;s, province&#039;s or community&#039;s soul has to be enliven by the people, and that means the people must be allowed to be involved with the way things are run. This can never happen with party politics, even if you become a member of a political party, cause members are just puppets. The elitists are in control. </p>
<p>So change the system you say? Change the way parties vote for each other like for instance with the Single Transferable Vote, STV. I have news for you, nothing will change. Why? Cause you will still have the same parties, with the same elitists, and the same backroom decision making. It is not the political voting structure that is the problem, it is the political infrastructure itself that is the problem! As someone who has lived under a form of STV in another country, I can tell you, politicians find ingenious ways to undermine the system, the crafty bastards they are. </p>
<p>So what to do? Some thoughts. </p>
<p>- Get rid of parties. Ban them. Do not allow the representative you voted for to form associations with other representatives. A representative must represent the people who elected him, absolutely. </p>
<p>- Governance by federation. Representatives must come up with policy that is based upon the people&#039;s will. This can be done by voting by representing what their ridings want. </p>
<p>- Get rid of multilevel governments. We do not need to have three level of governments, one representative for a riding is enough. Provincial issues will be handled by representatives in the respective provinces. City issues by the representatives in that city.</p>
<p>- Open government. Government must be open to the people. People must be able to see how their representatives speak and act for them. </p>
<p>Non of these things can happen with a political party oriented system. Don&#039;t make the mistake that you can change things from within. You can not. The vested interests in a political party will only keep things the way they are, they have no desire to changes things, especially if it means lessening their power.</p>
<p>So what to do?</p>
<p>To make changes first you have to get rid of the system you have. To do that, you have to take the political elites power away, and this is done through the vote. DO NOT VOTE. Yes this sounds counter intuitive but that is what must be done. No political party will have the nerve to run a country or province, if they win power with only a few percent of the electorate, if they did, it would eventually incite bloody revolution. Once they have no power, then things can be changed. Yes there will be turmoil for a short period of time. But eventually, the people will win.</p>
<p>This was in kind how the first democracy was, in Greece two and half millennia ago. So it does work, in fact, in works very well, the only people who lose out, are the elites, and so they should, this is not their country, or province or city, IT IS OURS.</p>
<p>So I say: DO NOT VOTE! </p>
<p>Don&#039;t empower the political elites, they do not deserve to lead you.
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t matter what party is voted in.  Real estate in greater Vancouver is going to crash!!!! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47437&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#039;t matter what party is voted in.  Real estate in greater Vancouver is going to crash!!!!
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		<title>By: Declan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Declan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fairly indifferent with respect to the party (not a big fan of any of them), but I figure the single transferrable vote (STV) would mean more power to the voters and less to the parties, which I count as a good thing (no surprise that the &#039;No&#039; campaign is primarily staffed by party insiders like Tieleman and Schreck).  
 
Plus the seat counts under STV by party might match the vote counts by party reasonably closely, and running Conservative candidates wouldn&#039;t help elect the NDP, and running Green candidates wouldn&#039;t help elect the Liberals so those would be nice improvements from the current dysfunctional system as well.   
 
I&#039;m cautious by nature so I see some reason to be careful in changing the voting system, but if you figure the proposed system (STV) has been used in Ireland and parts of Australia for about a century with no ill effects, I don&#039;t really see much cause to worry. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47436&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m fairly indifferent with respect to the party (not a big fan of any of them), but I figure the single transferrable vote (STV) would mean more power to the voters and less to the parties, which I count as a good thing (no surprise that the &#039;No&#039; campaign is primarily staffed by party insiders like Tieleman and Schreck). </p>
<p>Plus the seat counts under STV by party might match the vote counts by party reasonably closely, and running Conservative candidates wouldn&#039;t help elect the NDP, and running Green candidates wouldn&#039;t help elect the Liberals so those would be nice improvements from the current dysfunctional system as well.  </p>
<p>I&#039;m cautious by nature so I see some reason to be careful in changing the voting system, but if you figure the proposed system (STV) has been used in Ireland and parts of Australia for about a century with no ill effects, I don&#039;t really see much cause to worry.
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		<title>By: CZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 12:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Canucks depress everyone? 
 
Seems nobody wants to vote here, so do I. 
 
We may be better stick to Vancouver RE. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-47430&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Canucks depress everyone?</p>
<p>Seems nobody wants to vote here, so do I.</p>
<p>We may be better stick to Vancouver RE.
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