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		<title>By: patriotzed</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-48657&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;:  
&lt;i&gt;Now might be a great time to buy real estate, no one can say with certainty.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
There is no credible scenario - whether inflationary, deflationary, or price stability, apart from selling to a greater fool - where buying Vancouver RE will give competitive returns to an investor. 
 
You have the evidence of the world&#039;s biggest economy the other side of Zero Avenue. What more could anyone want? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-48665&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-48657" rel="nofollow">Anonymous</a>: </p>
<p><i>Now might be a great time to buy real estate, no one can say with certainty.</i></p>
<p>There is no credible scenario &#8211; whether inflationary, deflationary, or price stability, apart from selling to a greater fool &#8211; where buying Vancouver RE will give competitive returns to an investor.</p>
<p>You have the evidence of the world&#039;s biggest economy the other side of Zero Avenue. What more could anyone want?
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patriotz, that is a dumb post. Inflation might skyrocket, the government might sabatoge the bond market like the 70&#039;s, a lot of variables. Now might be a great time to buy real estate, no one can say with certainty. You&#039;ve sure been wrong a lot of years, don&#039;t bother with any crystal balling. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-48657&quot;&gt;-5&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriotz, that is a dumb post. Inflation might skyrocket, the government might sabatoge the bond market like the 70&#039;s, a lot of variables. Now might be a great time to buy real estate, no one can say with certainty. You&#039;ve sure been wrong a lot of years, don&#039;t bother with any crystal balling.
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		<title>By: &#8220;I have none of my clients lock up. &#8220; &#171; Vancouver Real Estate Anecdote Archive</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;I have none of my clients lock up. &#8220; &#171; Vancouver Real Estate Anecdote Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 15 June 2009 &#183; No Comments  Many suspect that ultra-low borrowing rates are continuing to levitate Vancouver&#8217;s RE market. This from a &#8216;horse&#8217;s mouth&#8217;, Anonymous on vancouvercondoinfo June 12th, 2009 at 7:09 pm - [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-48643&quot;&gt;-8&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: patriotzed</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 22:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-48640&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;other ted&lt;/a&gt;:  
&lt;i&gt;Patriotz what about the term risk when used in context of risk/reward. I think Angryslav was right also because that was his context.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
That was my context. The long-term total return of an asset class is positively correlated to its risk, because the more uncertain the returns, the more return rational investors will want. 
 
Vancouver RE is no more risky today than it ever was. It&#039;s just ridiculously overpriced. That&#039;s something else entirely.  
 
If anyone thinks I&#039;m being pedantic, would you say it&#039;s &quot;risky&quot; to jump out of an airplane without a parachute? No, it&#039;s suicidal. Just like buying Vancouver RE at today&#039;s prices is financial suicide. Risk means undertaking an action with an uncertain outcome, not one with a virtual certainty of a negative outcome. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-48656&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-48640" rel="nofollow">other ted</a>: </p>
<p><i>Patriotz what about the term risk when used in context of risk/reward. I think Angryslav was right also because that was his context.</i></p>
<p>That was my context. The long-term total return of an asset class is positively correlated to its risk, because the more uncertain the returns, the more return rational investors will want.</p>
<p>Vancouver RE is no more risky today than it ever was. It&#039;s just ridiculously overpriced. That&#039;s something else entirely. </p>
<p>If anyone thinks I&#039;m being pedantic, would you say it&#039;s &quot;risky&quot; to jump out of an airplane without a parachute? No, it&#039;s suicidal. Just like buying Vancouver RE at today&#039;s prices is financial suicide. Risk means undertaking an action with an uncertain outcome, not one with a virtual certainty of a negative outcome.
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		<title>By: realpaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>realpaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-48635&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patriotzed&lt;/a&gt;:  
 
Risk also refers to &#039;capital risk&#039;, not just an interuption of earnings. Capital risk can account for any potential exposure to loss from currency fluctuation, opportunity cost and direct loss through malfeasance etc etc. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-48645&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-48635" rel="nofollow">patriotzed</a>: </p>
<p>Risk also refers to &#039;capital risk&#039;, not just an interuption of earnings. Capital risk can account for any potential exposure to loss from currency fluctuation, opportunity cost and direct loss through malfeasance etc etc.
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		<title>By: realpaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>realpaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cynical douchebags who fronted the little retarded boy into the mayors chair are striking quickly to cash in. They have just proposed changing the by laws to allow 205 sq ft condos to be built. Think of it, instead of 300 condos in a tower you get 600 on the same land. Quite a windfall for the douchebags. Who sees through this cash grab? Not the little retarded boy in the mayors chair, thats for sure. Instead of letting the market do it&#039;s work and bring the costs down, they instead propose another way to make it all seem more &#039;affordable&#039;. You people better not think of having children or they&#039;ll be sleeping on top of the toilet tank. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-48644&quot;&gt;12&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cynical douchebags who fronted the little retarded boy into the mayors chair are striking quickly to cash in. They have just proposed changing the by laws to allow 205 sq ft condos to be built. Think of it, instead of 300 condos in a tower you get 600 on the same land. Quite a windfall for the douchebags. Who sees through this cash grab? Not the little retarded boy in the mayors chair, thats for sure. Instead of letting the market do it&#039;s work and bring the costs down, they instead propose another way to make it all seem more &#039;affordable&#039;. You people better not think of having children or they&#039;ll be sleeping on top of the toilet tank.
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		<title>By: exx</title>
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		<dc:creator>exx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20090615_164714_7076&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Leaky condo concerns cropping up in post-2000 condos&lt;/a&gt; 
 
&lt;i&gt;VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - The man who led an earlier fight against Vancouver&#039;s leaky condos has a warning for owners of recently built condos: Just because it was built after the year 2000, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s free of the problem.  James Balderson with the Coalition of Leaky Condo Owners says they&#039;ve started to get reports from homeowners in condos built after 2000.  
 
In many cases, balconies are needing to replaced, among other projects...but the existing warranties are running out.  Balderson says the current leaky condo warning period that ranges between 1982 to 1999 isn&#039;t realistic.  &quot;I think the real warning period is for condos converted or built after 1970 to the present day.  We&#039;re hearing reports about the warranties that are supposed to be looking after everything, and disputes are arising regarding the performance of the warranty companies who look after the problem.&quot; 
&lt;/i&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-48642&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.news1130.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20090615_164714_7076" rel="nofollow">Leaky condo concerns cropping up in post-2000 condos</a></p>
<p><i>VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) &#8211; The man who led an earlier fight against Vancouver&#039;s leaky condos has a warning for owners of recently built condos: Just because it was built after the year 2000, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s free of the problem.  James Balderson with the Coalition of Leaky Condo Owners says they&#039;ve started to get reports from homeowners in condos built after 2000. </p>
<p>In many cases, balconies are needing to replaced, among other projects&#8230;but the existing warranties are running out.  Balderson says the current leaky condo warning period that ranges between 1982 to 1999 isn&#039;t realistic.  &quot;I think the real warning period is for condos converted or built after 1970 to the present day.  We&#039;re hearing reports about the warranties that are supposed to be looking after everything, and disputes are arising regarding the performance of the warranty companies who look after the problem.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: betamax</title>
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		<dc:creator>betamax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are not using the term &#8220;risk&#8221; correctly.&quot; 
 
Risk means different things to different people in different contexts. No one likes a pedant. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-48641&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;You are not using the term &ldquo;risk&rdquo; correctly.&quot;</p>
<p>Risk means different things to different people in different contexts. No one likes a pedant.
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		<title>By: other ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>other ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patriotz what about the term risk when used in context of risk/reward. I think Angryslav was right also because that was his context. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-48640&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriotz what about the term risk when used in context of risk/reward. I think Angryslav was right also because that was his context.
<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-48640">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p>
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		<title>By: Vansanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vansanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soaring household debt threatens recovery: BoC 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bnn.ca/news/10115.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bnn.ca/news/10115.html&lt;/a&gt;  
 
&quot;But the risk posed by household balance sheets has grown, the Bank of Canada. The level of debt to income reached a record in the fourth quarter as real net worth dropped 6.7 percent from the same period a year ago, the central bank said. 
 
While stressing that the possibility of a mass bankruptcy is remote, the ability of Canadians to repay their bank loans has replaced frozen credit markets as the main fear factor among policy makers, the report said. 
 
&quot;There has been a further deterioration in the financial position of the Canadian household sector as a result of the continued turmoil in financial markets, the deepening global recession, and worsening labour market conditions,&quot; the report said. &quot;Nonetheless, in aggregate, the financial situation of Canadian households remains reasonably healthy.&quot; 
 
Canadians&#039; household debt is about 140 percent of disposable income, compared with about 150 percent in Britain and almost 170 percent in the United States. The level is about 90 percent among the countries that use the euro.&quot; 
 
Yet, the cost to borrow remains... cheap. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-48639&quot;&gt;12&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soaring household debt threatens recovery: BoC</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.bnn.ca/news/10115.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bnn.ca/news/10115.html</a>  </p>
<p>&quot;But the risk posed by household balance sheets has grown, the Bank of Canada. The level of debt to income reached a record in the fourth quarter as real net worth dropped 6.7 percent from the same period a year ago, the central bank said.</p>
<p>While stressing that the possibility of a mass bankruptcy is remote, the ability of Canadians to repay their bank loans has replaced frozen credit markets as the main fear factor among policy makers, the report said.</p>
<p>&quot;There has been a further deterioration in the financial position of the Canadian household sector as a result of the continued turmoil in financial markets, the deepening global recession, and worsening labour market conditions,&quot; the report said. &quot;Nonetheless, in aggregate, the financial situation of Canadian households remains reasonably healthy.&quot;</p>
<p>Canadians&#039; household debt is about 140 percent of disposable income, compared with about 150 percent in Britain and almost 170 percent in the United States. The level is about 90 percent among the countries that use the euro.&quot;</p>
<p>Yet, the cost to borrow remains&#8230; cheap.
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