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		<title>By: observer</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/07/friday-free-for-all-72.html#comment-49274</link>
		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-49268&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patriotzed&lt;/a&gt;: It&#039;s even worst than that. A guy with 5 drunk driving convictions and several accidents would be put in jail but the guy who ruins the economy by using our currency to feed the RE bubble gets further encouragement from the government and banks. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-49274&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-49268" rel="nofollow">patriotzed</a>: It&#039;s even worst than that. A guy with 5 drunk driving convictions and several accidents would be put in jail but the guy who ruins the economy by using our currency to feed the RE bubble gets further encouragement from the government and banks.
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		<title>By: patriotzed</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/07/friday-free-for-all-72.html#comment-49268</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-49243&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;observer&lt;/a&gt;:  
 
This is yet another indication that CMHC does not provide insurance in the true sense at all. CHMC charges the same premiums everywhere in Canada, all the time. It&#039;s like an auto insurer charging the same premiums to a guy with 5 drunk driving convictions and several major accidents and a little old lady (and before someone gets smart, no ICBC does not charge these people the same). 
 
CMHC&#039;s de facto mandate today is simply to pump as much capital into the RE industry as possible. Go to their website and look at their board of directors and you&#039;ll see why this is no surprise. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-49268&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-49243" rel="nofollow">observer</a>: </p>
<p>This is yet another indication that CMHC does not provide insurance in the true sense at all. CHMC charges the same premiums everywhere in Canada, all the time. It&#039;s like an auto insurer charging the same premiums to a guy with 5 drunk driving convictions and several major accidents and a little old lady (and before someone gets smart, no ICBC does not charge these people the same).</p>
<p>CMHC&#039;s de facto mandate today is simply to pump as much capital into the RE industry as possible. Go to their website and look at their board of directors and you&#039;ll see why this is no surprise.
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		<title>By: observer</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/07/friday-free-for-all-72.html#comment-49243</link>
		<dc:creator>observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-49226&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patriotzed&lt;/a&gt;: If the CMHC were smart, they would increase their premiums for BC properties due to the bubble risk, just like bad drivers need to pay more for their car insurance. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-49243&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-49226" rel="nofollow">patriotzed</a>: If the CMHC were smart, they would increase their premiums for BC properties due to the bubble risk, just like bad drivers need to pay more for their car insurance.
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#101 this is a blog about condos 
condo means shared ownership, which means neighbours regardless of whether you rent or own. thanks for trolling &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-49242&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#101 this is a blog about condos</p>
<p>condo means shared ownership, which means neighbours regardless of whether you rent or own. thanks for trolling
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		<title>By: Vancondobear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vancondobear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhat unrelated...but I was in the lovely vacation-y area of Semiahmoo this weekend. There seemed to be a lot of for sale signage... 
 
So I went to Trulia. There are a total of 657 residences for sale. Then I checked the census and the Blaine area constitutes 1496 in total households.  657 out of 1496 - 44% !!  WOW. 
 
Guess the second home thing for Seattlelites and Vancouverites is off. Possibly some good summer rentals to be had! Good for me so I can get out of my half a mill box in the sky. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-49241&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhat unrelated&#8230;but I was in the lovely vacation-y area of Semiahmoo this weekend. There seemed to be a lot of for sale signage&#8230;</p>
<p>So I went to Trulia. There are a total of 657 residences for sale. Then I checked the census and the Blaine area constitutes 1496 in total households.  657 out of 1496 &#8211; 44% !!  WOW.</p>
<p>Guess the second home thing for Seattlelites and Vancouverites is off. Possibly some good summer rentals to be had! Good for me so I can get out of my half a mill box in the sky.
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		<title>By: /dev/null</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather buy when rates are at 10% than at 3%.  The prices will drop to keep the monthly payment in the same range and there is less chance of rates doubling over the course of the loan. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-49237&quot;&gt;9&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d rather buy when rates are at 10% than at 3%.  The prices will drop to keep the monthly payment in the same range and there is less chance of rates doubling over the course of the loan.
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		<title>By: Van Man not asian</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/07/friday-free-for-all-72.html#comment-49235</link>
		<dc:creator>Van Man not asian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word to all you over educated underpaid vancouver rental people, from a so called blogg trogg. 
Does it make you&#039;all feel better to cut down the city you live in and call home. 
I&#039;m sure any of you could afford to buy a home in any other city in Canada! 
Have you ever been invited to a barbeque in Van with the outdoor speakers blasting good tunes, hottub/pool maybe,neighbors are guests, well behaved adult social gathering. 
Then you go home to your stinky,smokey/curry/noisey apt, that is a $great deal? C&#039;mon, get real! 
If you could afford to buy a detached home in The Lower Mainland, without being financially stretched, who wouldn&#039;t. 
LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO LIVE IN A STINKY RENTAL APT/CONDO LISTENING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS NASTY NOISES! 
Yes, waiting for RE prices to come down in Van is a financially smart idea, but when prices bottom out interest rates will be maxed out. 
You will never see 1998 home prices at 4-5% int rates. 
Vancouver RE has always been $$$ more than the rest of Canada! 
So, my question to buyers waiting? 
You will either be unemployed, or have to deal with 10%+ interest rates when RE prices enter your realm. 
 
Good luck buying a home here! 
 
It just doesn&#039;t matter. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-49235&quot;&gt;-7&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word to all you over educated underpaid vancouver rental people, from a so called blogg trogg.</p>
<p>Does it make you&#039;all feel better to cut down the city you live in and call home.</p>
<p>I&#039;m sure any of you could afford to buy a home in any other city in Canada!</p>
<p>Have you ever been invited to a barbeque in Van with the outdoor speakers blasting good tunes, hottub/pool maybe,neighbors are guests, well behaved adult social gathering.</p>
<p>Then you go home to your stinky,smokey/curry/noisey apt, that is a $great deal? C&#039;mon, get real!</p>
<p>If you could afford to buy a detached home in The Lower Mainland, without being financially stretched, who wouldn&#039;t.</p>
<p>LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO LIVE IN A STINKY RENTAL APT/CONDO LISTENING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS NASTY NOISES!</p>
<p>Yes, waiting for RE prices to come down in Van is a financially smart idea, but when prices bottom out interest rates will be maxed out.</p>
<p>You will never see 1998 home prices at 4-5% int rates.</p>
<p>Vancouver RE has always been $$$ more than the rest of Canada!</p>
<p>So, my question to buyers waiting?</p>
<p>You will either be unemployed, or have to deal with 10%+ interest rates when RE prices enter your realm.</p>
<p>Good luck buying a home here!</p>
<p>It just doesn&#039;t matter.
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		<title>By: rubberduckie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rubberduckie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NLL - I live in one of the primo locations.  I&#039;ve lived all over the city and I know what I like. 
 
Most of our friends agree that although it&#039;s smallish and old, our rental has some charm and we&#039;ve done a nice job.  You know who practically insulted it outright?  Our realtor.  He said &quot;I can&#039;t believe at your age you would sell your lovely townhouse and live like students.&quot;  This same realtor would probably be singing the praises of this house&#039;s stained glass etc. if we&#039;d bought it for $1M!! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-49233&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NLL &#8211; I live in one of the primo locations.  I&#039;ve lived all over the city and I know what I like.</p>
<p>Most of our friends agree that although it&#039;s smallish and old, our rental has some charm and we&#039;ve done a nice job.  You know who practically insulted it outright?  Our realtor.  He said &quot;I can&#039;t believe at your age you would sell your lovely townhouse and live like students.&quot;  This same realtor would probably be singing the praises of this house&#039;s stained glass etc. if we&#039;d bought it for $1M!!
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came across this and had to laugh. I live about half a block away from this listing in a large one bedroom apartment. I rent for $780 a month. Even if someone had this place paid off, their maintenance and tax every month would be about $558 a month, plus any other expenses. Granted it&#039;s a bigger, nicer place than mine, but $555,000?  
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.6717000.com/mls/V757491-1404-1111-haro-st.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.6717000.com/mls/V757491-1404-1111-haro...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-49230&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across this and had to laugh. I live about half a block away from this listing in a large one bedroom apartment. I rent for $780 a month. Even if someone had this place paid off, their maintenance and tax every month would be about $558 a month, plus any other expenses. Granted it&#039;s a bigger, nicer place than mine, but $555,000? </p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.6717000.com/mls/V757491-1404-1111-haro-st.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.6717000.com/mls/V757491-1404-1111-haro" rel="nofollow">http://www.6717000.com/mls/V757491-1404-1111-haro</a>&#8230;
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		<title>By: patriotzed</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-49198&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;observer&lt;/a&gt;:  
&lt;i&gt;Exactly how would CMHC handle a situation (what would happen to bond holders, bond prices, yields) where widespread defaults happen.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
CMHC is a Crown corporation and its obligations carry a Crown guarantee, no ifs, ands, or buts. 
 
If CMHC got into a position where it was unable to pay its bondholders due to mortgage defaults the GoC could advance it the funds to do so, or CMHC could simply sell more bonds on the open market. The GoC could either lend the money or grant it (purchasing equity in effect). The BoC could also purchase CMHC debt but cannot buy equity. If CMHC were lent the money either by the GoC, BoC, or the bond market it would have to recover it though higher premiums which would be just desserts IMHO. 
 
There is no doubt CMHC will suffer big losses in BC but the question is how big these will be compared to its reserves. The last major bust in Canada was the Toronto bust of the early 90&#039;s, so they should have a good sized war chest. Note, again, that the RE market in the rest of Canada is nowhere as inflated as in BC. IMHO the CMHC will suffer the majority of its losses (in dollar terms) in this bust in BC alone. 
 
I think if the GoC chose to grant CMHC taxpayer&#039;s money to cover losses it would be politically explosive. It would be seen as a bailout of BC and to a lesser extent Alberta and Toronto by Canada&#039;s non-bubble regions - in particular Quebec. Just imagine Gilles Duceppe taking that one on. 
 
My views on the irresponsibility of the &quot;Conservative&quot; government on this issue are well known on this board and I think they deserve to be defeated on this issue alone. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-49226&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-49198" rel="nofollow">observer</a>: </p>
<p><i>Exactly how would CMHC handle a situation (what would happen to bond holders, bond prices, yields) where widespread defaults happen.</i></p>
<p>CMHC is a Crown corporation and its obligations carry a Crown guarantee, no ifs, ands, or buts.</p>
<p>If CMHC got into a position where it was unable to pay its bondholders due to mortgage defaults the GoC could advance it the funds to do so, or CMHC could simply sell more bonds on the open market. The GoC could either lend the money or grant it (purchasing equity in effect). The BoC could also purchase CMHC debt but cannot buy equity. If CMHC were lent the money either by the GoC, BoC, or the bond market it would have to recover it though higher premiums which would be just desserts IMHO.</p>
<p>There is no doubt CMHC will suffer big losses in BC but the question is how big these will be compared to its reserves. The last major bust in Canada was the Toronto bust of the early 90&#039;s, so they should have a good sized war chest. Note, again, that the RE market in the rest of Canada is nowhere as inflated as in BC. IMHO the CMHC will suffer the majority of its losses (in dollar terms) in this bust in BC alone.</p>
<p>I think if the GoC chose to grant CMHC taxpayer&#039;s money to cover losses it would be politically explosive. It would be seen as a bailout of BC and to a lesser extent Alberta and Toronto by Canada&#039;s non-bubble regions &#8211; in particular Quebec. Just imagine Gilles Duceppe taking that one on.</p>
<p>My views on the irresponsibility of the &quot;Conservative&quot; government on this issue are well known on this board and I think they deserve to be defeated on this issue alone.
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