I believe another game is played with the Education sytem, whereby if they simply get their Grade 12 Dogwood diploma in BC(as opposed to being here from grades K – 12), they have the same access to post secondary education(ie not deemed international student).

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As for the rationing of medical care in British Columbia on the basis of age, I truly don’t know enough to have an informed opinion. I’ve only recently moved back to the province after a 15-year extended hiatus abroad.

Eerily enough, however, at almost the exact minute that I wrote my first post, my dissertation advisor passed away from the effects of pancreatic cancer. I just found out a couple of hours ago. He was 64.

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$4600 – $1500 rent = $3100 LEFT monthly to SPEND. Truly, not bad! May even quality for a fat mortgage with some tweaking.

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#79 NO, don’t forget that the CDN is perpetually in the toilet and that HK dollars , being tied the US buck, fetch a premium over the CDN peso. Hell of a way to treat the CDN’s who built the system on generations of taxes only to be shown the door when the LIBs decided to allow waves of unqualified immigrants in for a free ride on the social, medial and educational system.

The one I like the best are the grandfathers of large families who may have been an engineer in China ( not a professional designation recognized in a CDN work enviornment) retired in China for 20 years is qualified under the points system to immigrate , bring the entire family for the freebies and never intend to work or pay taxes , and due to his age immediately start collecting an old age pension. Nice going Canada. Give aways and freebies to people who have only one reason to come to this country, that is, to leach off the CDN taxpayer who is too stupid to realise whats going on.

In the Chinese community the free money the old ladies get is called ” gambling money’ because its been scammed away from the stupid Quai Lo.

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BMO?? guess we’ll wait and see..

Interest rates go up, housing prices comes down, I’ve looked at all the other factors, this is the only thing that will ultimately change the vancouver market. They don’t have to move much and things will get messy. Buyers these days don’t plan for the future , so long as they can pay the mortgage at the end of the month, they figure they are a f#*king real estate guru. My wife and I have been renting and saving for 4 year watching people assume massive amount of debt. best wishes to all those that are not deep in debt and not highly leveraged.

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http://vancouver.en.craigslist.....21057.html

This mini-house was originally built as place to rest outside our house,,
It is solid and 2 years old with tile roof, stucco ecterior and baseboard heat, it is
10feet by 10feet and have a sink/shower/toilet/hotplate/microwae/tv in same room
very secure with its own enternace, would suite only 1 adult
with minimal belongings,, there is room tohang your clothes
but oviously no room for a sofa or any other furnituresmall bed only
hydro and cable are included and wireless internet
1 minute walk to busstop

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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/briti.....ansen.html

As government revenues plunge, B.C. taxpayers should brace themselves for a “very, very difficult” budget in two weeks, Finance Minister Colin Hansen is warning.

The government is desperately trying to maintain key services, but a $3-billion shortfall is making that a real challenge, Hansen said.

“We are desperately trying to maintain the critical services in health care and education and the social services. So it’s definitely been a challenging summer,” the finance minister said Wednesday.

In the last three months, British Columbia has faced a financial whipsaw, he said, including:

Corporate income tax and personal income tax revenue — down by about $1 billion.
Projected revenue from natural gas — down by about $500 million.
Projected revenue from other natural resources — down by about $500 million.
Projected revenue from the social services tax — down by about $200 million.
Spending on forest fires and social services — up by about $500 million.

Addendum:
On News Hansen says Gov’t projections indicate deficit for at least 2 years. More indication the HST is a pay off meets cash grab.

Also: 1300 Auto workers called back to work whooppeeee !

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Who pissed in your corn flakes?
What advantage is there in making this up? These are anecdotes. It’s not the first time I have heard of a fiscal means test for health care. Do you know first hand that it is BS ? I had an RN tell me this, (ie if granny has a million dollar home and seeks an old folks home, she better sell her home and use that to pay for it, the public won’t) and heard it from a couple of other parties.
I hope it is BS.

As I stated, the health care system will be increasingly on life support. It will be more costly and concurrently less universal. The front end of the baby boom is retiring.

Dentists are complaining they have 14% fewer patient visits and blaming the economy.

BTW: I’m glad your 90 year old Dad recovered.

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August 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

Vancouverite:

#69 V, I think the number is $200,000 CDN ti immigrate to Canada under the business category.
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It was my understanding that when the BC’s Asian boom started in the 1980′s, investment (of around $200,000) was a requirement “to buy your way in”. It was not supposed to allow Real Estate as an eligible investment, certainly not residential RE.

However, my further understanding was that was waived,thus RE investment would be deemed an eligible investment , hence our massive B.C. RE bubble in the late 1980′s.
I can still recall pre Expo 86 that a house on a big lot on the West Side near 41st and Granville could be had for less than $250,000, or a Richmond home for just over $100,000. It doubled and tripled before 1990 rolled around.

I can’t recall any offshore investment that was new and created real middle class jobs such as manufacturing. All we got was a regurgitative ponzi scheme where we buy Hong Kong, then mainland Chinese products, then they come over here with their profits and buy our RE. These cheap Asian goods lured us into a false sense of fiscal security, (aka cost of living has gone down)as our RE was sold out via policy subsidization. Even ol’ Trudeau once had controls of foreign ownership.

As per usual our Gov’ts were lobbied by special interest groups(realturds and banksters) to sell us out. Perhaps the more recent bubble is a realization that the Asia tap has run out and we need to lure domestically born and bred greater fools.

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#69 V, I think the number is $200,000 CDN ti immigrate to Canada under the business category. It is obviously impossible to set up any kind of business in Vancouver for that amount so in fact its just a scam. Ergo, a lot of so called immigrants with limited funds all driving rented cars and sharing clothes.

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#68 NO, that is my understanding as well. The’death panel’ doesn’t have the power to arbtrarily cancel granny’s surgery but it takes form insidiously wherein the facility and doctors begin to ‘suggest’ that death is inevitable and resources are better allocated elesewhere. The idea is to save the expense of prolonging life unnessecarily through counselling the patient rather than treating them aggressivley.

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#62 Don’t blame the Chinese for the underground economy. That market is definatley colour/creed free. The real problem in Canada is that people are over taxed and they are revolting. The government waste and corruption (Canadian style) is unconsionable. The real cost of living is so high that people can’t make a go of it after taxes so who can blame them for trying to shield a few dollars from the gov.

Don’t blame the tax cheats blame the system that cheats us all.

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“An MD once stated that the vast majority of health care per capita is spent in the last 2 years of one’s life.
That same fate could eventually await us all.”

Sounds like a great idea to me. Why in the world would the medical system start a chemotheraphy regime on a person who is 75yrs old??

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realpaul said:
” The ‘death Panels’ in the states will determine which people are terminal and who will no longer benefit from any type of procedure. here we are letting people who could be saved die, laying unattended in hallways and closets. Shame beyond shame”.

oneangryslav said
” This “death panel” garbage is absolute bullshit. No panel would determine whether “granny dies” or not.”

When our family member was in hospital recently , they discussed the “Will not resucitate” possibility. We had presumed they wanted us to sign a form. No, this was not a option on our part , it would be more of a given on the hospitals part if the situation got to that point. IMHO, That’s a death panel. (However, the patient is at home for the most part, and reasonably mobile).

BTW not attempting anything more than a debate. Unfortunately many of us will be part of the sandwich generation with elderly relatives that lived longer than their parents. Health care needs and subsequent costs will rise, with fewer taxpayers to fund it. I recall the ratio was once 10:1(of taxpayer to beneficiary)….now its down to 3:1 ? and getting worse ?

This type of age demographic bubble was forecast years ago. Call them what you will, but I foresee more and more “mortal” civil servants in health care will end up playing “God” and creating ever shifting demarcation points related to budgets.

I have also heard stories from health care professionals that if the patient has assest such as a house, they will be forced to sell and pay their own health care, it is NOT universal.

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Now you may know many people who want to emigrate to Canada (Vancouver), but extrapolating that to China’s population as a whole is an example of selection bias.

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Without more knowledge about the specifics of the case, it’s difficult to assess whether your relative has been given what amounts to a death sentence by BC medical services. The larger point, however, is that one would expect the protocol for treating a disease to vary by age. Younger persons are, obviously, stronger and healthier generally than older persons, and medical intervention (paricularly chemotherapy) puts tremendous stress on the body. Once again, though, one would have to know a lot more of the specifics in the case of your relative.

The point that I tried to make in my previous post was to debunk the “death panels” myth vis-a-vis the health care debate in the US. Oh, and you’re correct about “death panels” existing in the United States. If you can’t afford health insurance, you get no health care. Period.

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Death panels (for lack of a better name) DO exist, and our family is going through that right now.

A family member in their 70′s has been diagnosed with cancer and give their age they are not being given the same treatment protocol as someone younger. No surgery, chemo just started this week. There was no immediate intervention as they bounce from doctor to doctor. The tumour has been allowed to grow 14 X’s its original size . WTF?

In essence, they ( the medical staff and whoever else has a say) are directing the resources as they see fit. Are they basing their treatment protocol using sound objective judgement? One hopes so.

However these people have lived through wars and paid taxes all their lives. I most certainly hope that they are not being viewed as having served a purpose and are now expendable / disposable.

An MD once stated that the vast majority of health care per capita is spent in the last 2 years of one’s life.
That same fate could eventually await us all.

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http://cbs4.com/local/miami.co…..33338.html

Are the good ‘old days of real estate back? It appears so in Downtown Miami.

In recent weeks developers have sold hundreds of condos, in a flurry of activity they haven’t seen since the peak of the housing market. Some builders are actually running out of inventory. The first building to sell out, Brickell on the River, happened quietly and quickly selling 120 units in just six weeks time.”

Sure, why not buy now if it makes sense (ratios), prices have dropped around 50% I believe according to the latest Case-Shiller.

Although I wonder how many option ARM mortgages were in Florida? I definitely would not buy in California yet, even with prices down the same amount or more, given there is going to be another wave of defaults over the next two years.

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