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		<title>By: Population Growth: Vancouver BC vs. Raleigh, Las Vegas, Austin, Phoenix &#38; more. &#124; Vancouver Condo Info</title>
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		<dc:creator>Population Growth: Vancouver BC vs. Raleigh, Las Vegas, Austin, Phoenix &#38; more. &#124; Vancouver Condo Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] live in Vancouver right?  Well apparently not so many of them are achieving that dream.  Crabman posted these numbers in a comment last week putting our population growth in perspective when compared to a few other [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53190&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] live in Vancouver right?  Well apparently not so many of them are achieving that dream.  Crabman posted these numbers in a comment last week putting our population growth in perspective when compared to a few other [...]
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/09/less-money-more-expense.html#comment-53105</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah.  well, that&#039;s much more reasonable.  Should&#039;ve RTFL.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53105&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah.  well, that&#8217;s much more reasonable.  Should&#8217;ve RTFL.
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		<title>By: Tiny Brained Timmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiny Brained Timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the change from 2001 to 2006.  That is a 1.2% annual rate of growth.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53090&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the change from 2001 to 2006.  That is a 1.2% annual rate of growth.
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, 
  Vancouver, BC 6.5%
6.5% growth means that the population will double in 10 years.  That&#039;s... pretty fast still.  Is Vancouver properly architected to accommodate this growth?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53088&quot;&gt;-1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW,<br />
  Vancouver, BC 6.5%<br />
6.5% growth means that the population will double in 10 years.  That&#8217;s&#8230; pretty fast still.  Is Vancouver properly architected to accommodate this growth?
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		<title>By: Bently</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@crabman: 
Exactly, comparing Vancouver to La Jolla or Beverly Hills is just stupid. Why not Vancouver to Paris or London, New York. The fact is that Vancouver is none of those things. &quot;Seattle is a far better comparision in terms of location, industry, pop, etc etc.....&quot;

And, of course, there&#039;s the rain!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53069&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@crabman:<br />
Exactly, comparing Vancouver to La Jolla or Beverly Hills is just stupid. Why not Vancouver to Paris or London, New York. The fact is that Vancouver is none of those things. &#8220;Seattle is a far better comparision in terms of location, industry, pop, etc etc&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>And, of course, there&#8217;s the rain!
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		<title>By: Bently</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;@32 patriotz. What prices are coming down now? are your groceries cheaper, cars, clothing etc.? Not so sure where you are seeing the deflation. &quot;

Well, my rent has gone down.  Cars? Are you kidding me?  Have you read the motoring section of the sun lately?  Cars are way, way down in price!  If car prices are an indicator of where we’re headed, gee wiz, fasten your seatbelt!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53068&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;@32 patriotz. What prices are coming down now? are your groceries cheaper, cars, clothing etc.? Not so sure where you are seeing the deflation. &#8221;</p>
<p>Well, my rent has gone down.  Cars? Are you kidding me?  Have you read the motoring section of the sun lately?  Cars are way, way down in price!  If car prices are an indicator of where we’re headed, gee wiz, fasten your seatbelt!
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		<title>By: other ted</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response guys. At first I saw prices dropping. Cars especially used. Flights, etc.  But it seems I am starting to see prices go up again. Groceries. Gas has gone up, down again. And who knows next week. I have heard of good deals on new cars in the US but the Canadian consumer is stubborn. We really have a complex where we like to pay more. I am hoping for deflation. Not too sure.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53046&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response guys. At first I saw prices dropping. Cars especially used. Flights, etc.  But it seems I am starting to see prices go up again. Groceries. Gas has gone up, down again. And who knows next week. I have heard of good deals on new cars in the US but the Canadian consumer is stubborn. We really have a complex where we like to pay more. I am hoping for deflation. Not too sure.
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 03:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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NO - LYMPICS Says: 
October 1st, 2009 at 5:10 pm 
Also from Garth’s blog:
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NO - LYMPICS, thanks, but we can read Garth&#039;s blog if we want to.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53044&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>56<br />
NO &#8211; LYMPICS Says:<br />
October 1st, 2009 at 5:10 pm<br />
Also from Garth’s blog:<br />
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<p>NO &#8211; LYMPICS, thanks, but we can read Garth&#8217;s blog if we want to.
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		<title>By: patriotzed</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-53040&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;other ted&lt;/a&gt;: 
My post #32 was about Japan.

But I think cars really are getting cheaper here. Can&#039;t say much about the rest, you might want to check out that statcan link in my post #33 to see where they get their information from. My point was not to make a claim that consumer prices were going up or down, but to point out that CPI really does include basic necessities.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53043&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-53040" rel="nofollow">other ted</a>:<br />
My post #32 was about Japan.</p>
<p>But I think cars really are getting cheaper here. Can&#8217;t say much about the rest, you might want to check out that statcan link in my post #33 to see where they get their information from. My point was not to make a claim that consumer prices were going up or down, but to point out that CPI really does include basic necessities.
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		<title>By: read on</title>
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		<dc:creator>read on</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>60 - ted, my holidays were cheaper this year.  my flights to europe were cheaper.  if i were to buy a new car, it would be cheaper (but i am happy with my current one).  many things are, or are becoming cheaper.  not everything, no, but some things.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53042&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>60 &#8211; ted, my holidays were cheaper this year.  my flights to europe were cheaper.  if i were to buy a new car, it would be cheaper (but i am happy with my current one).  many things are, or are becoming cheaper.  not everything, no, but some things.
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		<title>By: read on</title>
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		<dc:creator>read on</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>59 - &quot;Gov’ts are ,in essence, a service provider , and shouldn’t go off on tangents with pet projects and agendas&quot;
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so say you.  there are many different theories of what govt &quot;should&quot; be.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53041&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>59 &#8211; &#8220;Gov’ts are ,in essence, a service provider , and shouldn’t go off on tangents with pet projects and agendas&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>so say you.  there are many different theories of what govt &#8220;should&#8221; be.
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		<title>By: other ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>other ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@32 patriotz.  What prices are coming down now? are your groceries cheaper, cars, clothing etc.? Not so sure where you are seeing the deflation.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53040&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@32 patriotz.  What prices are coming down now? are your groceries cheaper, cars, clothing etc.? Not so sure where you are seeing the deflation.
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		<title>By: NO - LYMPICS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NO - LYMPICS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>57   patriotzed :
58   Wishitwaswarmer:

Sorry, but while no Gov&#039;t is perfect, I&#039;ve noticed an increasing detest  for the citizenry , and politicians increasingly assuming their elected mandate as a venue for a dictatorship. 



Referendums are in place for certain uses, and I can recall participating in them...if the capital project is placed on the civic election ballot, no extra cost. Civic elections are every 3 years, surely  a Local Gov&#039;t can plan ahead and put them to a vote after making a good case why we need them, given the given project and its capital costs are often outside the normal civic budget.

 Gov&#039;ts are ,in essence, a service provider , and shouldn&#039;t go off on tangents with pet projects and agendas to satisfy their egos. I see too much of this in the present, moreso than in the past.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53039&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>57   patriotzed :<br />
58   Wishitwaswarmer:</p>
<p>Sorry, but while no Gov&#8217;t is perfect, I&#8217;ve noticed an increasing detest  for the citizenry , and politicians increasingly assuming their elected mandate as a venue for a dictatorship. </p>
<p>Referendums are in place for certain uses, and I can recall participating in them&#8230;if the capital project is placed on the civic election ballot, no extra cost. Civic elections are every 3 years, surely  a Local Gov&#8217;t can plan ahead and put them to a vote after making a good case why we need them, given the given project and its capital costs are often outside the normal civic budget.</p>
<p> Gov&#8217;ts are ,in essence, a service provider , and shouldn&#8217;t go off on tangents with pet projects and agendas to satisfy their egos. I see too much of this in the present, moreso than in the past.
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		<title>By: Wishitwaswarmer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-53031&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NO - LYMPICS&lt;/a&gt;: But that&#039;s how democracy works.  You vote for people to make decisions, if you don&#039;t like the choices they make, you vote them out.  If you think government is expensive and wasteful now imagine if they spent money for a referendum for every single decision.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53038&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-53031" rel="nofollow">NO &#8211; LYMPICS</a>: But that&#8217;s how democracy works.  You vote for people to make decisions, if you don&#8217;t like the choices they make, you vote them out.  If you think government is expensive and wasteful now imagine if they spent money for a referendum for every single decision.
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		<title>By: patriotzed</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-53031&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NO - LYMPICS&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;True re COV voters in THAT case, but by and large democracy, R.I.P.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In what respect is BC less democratic today than a generation ago under Bill Bennett or two generations ago under WAC Bennett? Or under the NDP?

Most people would say that Canada is more democratic now under a minority government than under Cretien&#039;s or Mulroney&#039;s or Trudeau&#039;s majorities.

So if democracy is dead, just when did it die?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53037&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-53031" rel="nofollow">NO &#8211; LYMPICS</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>True re COV voters in THAT case, but by and large democracy, R.I.P.</p></blockquote>
<p>In what respect is BC less democratic today than a generation ago under Bill Bennett or two generations ago under WAC Bennett? Or under the NDP?</p>
<p>Most people would say that Canada is more democratic now under a minority government than under Cretien&#8217;s or Mulroney&#8217;s or Trudeau&#8217;s majorities.</p>
<p>So if democracy is dead, just when did it die?
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		<title>By: NO - LYMPICS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NO - LYMPICS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also from Garth&#039;s blog:

Tourism in Manitoba’s in the crapper. Visits from Americans have plunged, hotel vacancy rates are up and business in poor Churchill is off 30%.
 
The giant government fund standing behind US banks is empty. Goose eggs. Starkers. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation has burned through $60 billion and will remain in the red until at least 2012, despite a massive new levy on solvent banks. Evidently saving capitalism’s a bitch.
 
Tons of grapes will rot on the vines in the Niagara Peninsula and the Okanagan this autumn as the Canadian wine industry deflates. Prices have crashed by 40% or so as consumers stop boozing, or turn to rotgut. In a classic case of supply and demand, supply loses.
 
Expect the orgy of bank loans and cheap money to end soon, says the IMF. As the government stimulus tap starts to shut in North American and Europe, ‘funding gaps’ will materialize, which will stall the recovery and likely add to unemployment.
 
And, of course, a new ruckus over whether the economy is getting plumper or limper in the wake of plunging numbers in Japan, news Canada stalled out again and predictions the US faces a lost decade. 


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No surprises....even the wine industry.

I always wondered how many new wineries the Okanagan (and Vancouver Island) could support. I guess they have run out of uppity buyers willing to spend big $$ on overtaxed plonk.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53036&quot;&gt;-2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also from Garth&#8217;s blog:</p>
<p>Tourism in Manitoba’s in the crapper. Visits from Americans have plunged, hotel vacancy rates are up and business in poor Churchill is off 30%.</p>
<p>The giant government fund standing behind US banks is empty. Goose eggs. Starkers. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation has burned through $60 billion and will remain in the red until at least 2012, despite a massive new levy on solvent banks. Evidently saving capitalism’s a bitch.</p>
<p>Tons of grapes will rot on the vines in the Niagara Peninsula and the Okanagan this autumn as the Canadian wine industry deflates. Prices have crashed by 40% or so as consumers stop boozing, or turn to rotgut. In a classic case of supply and demand, supply loses.</p>
<p>Expect the orgy of bank loans and cheap money to end soon, says the IMF. As the government stimulus tap starts to shut in North American and Europe, ‘funding gaps’ will materialize, which will stall the recovery and likely add to unemployment.</p>
<p>And, of course, a new ruckus over whether the economy is getting plumper or limper in the wake of plunging numbers in Japan, news Canada stalled out again and predictions the US faces a lost decade. </p>
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<p>No surprises&#8230;.even the wine industry.</p>
<p>I always wondered how many new wineries the Okanagan (and Vancouver Island) could support. I guess they have run out of uppity buyers willing to spend big $$ on overtaxed plonk.
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		<title>By: NO - LYMPICS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NO - LYMPICS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Garth&#039;s blog:

Judging by some comments here in the last twenty-four hours, there are people disturbed I would write such things. And while I personally think higher rates, higher taxes and a sputtering economy are what likely lies ahead, a deflationary spiral into the unknown has been a possibility now for almost a year. Last winter I put the odds at 20%. Still do.

Don’t know about you, but anything I judge has a 20% chance of happening to me, I do something about. It’s called insurance. Maybe you should get some, too.

Regardless of which road opens, there’s one inescapable conclusion: Real estate loses.

If inflation wins and rates rise, the market will correct. Has to. Affordability takes a big hit and an asset priced at the top of its cycle declines. Hundreds of thousands of people face the real potential of negative equity.

If deflation wins, and rates stagnate, the market will correct. Has to. Falling demand, consumer stress, rising unemployment and business failure dictate it. Hundreds of thousands of people in this scenario also face negative equity.

There is one consistent message on this blog. Whether you like it or not.

Having the bulk of your net worth in one asset is a very bad idea.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Garth&#8217;s blog:</p>
<p>Judging by some comments here in the last twenty-four hours, there are people disturbed I would write such things. And while I personally think higher rates, higher taxes and a sputtering economy are what likely lies ahead, a deflationary spiral into the unknown has been a possibility now for almost a year. Last winter I put the odds at 20%. Still do.</p>
<p>Don’t know about you, but anything I judge has a 20% chance of happening to me, I do something about. It’s called insurance. Maybe you should get some, too.</p>
<p>Regardless of which road opens, there’s one inescapable conclusion: Real estate loses.</p>
<p>If inflation wins and rates rise, the market will correct. Has to. Affordability takes a big hit and an asset priced at the top of its cycle declines. Hundreds of thousands of people face the real potential of negative equity.</p>
<p>If deflation wins, and rates stagnate, the market will correct. Has to. Falling demand, consumer stress, rising unemployment and business failure dictate it. Hundreds of thousands of people in this scenario also face negative equity.</p>
<p>There is one consistent message on this blog. Whether you like it or not.</p>
<p>Having the bulk of your net worth in one asset is a very bad idea.</p>
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		<dc:creator>NO - LYMPICS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>49   patriotzed

BC municipalities (and I think also those in other provinces) are forbidden to borrow for operating expenses. It has long been standard practice for them to borrow for all capital expenditures, which is the reason why you get that ballot with all the capital projects on it at election time.

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True,....Local Gov&#039;ts generally went to referendum to request votoe permission for capital projects/expenditures.

However, they can still skirt this if the are creative enough. City of Richmond, for example re-built City Hall(Approx. $50 Million) with no referendum. It engaged in an RE  venture called Odlinwood rezoned and re-developed 30+ acres for housing(right under the YVR flightpath), and who knows how it really did ..they developed it in the late 1990&#039;s when the market was flat...? 

Same with Olympic Oval...Richmond Council cut a deal in the summer months 2004, and never went to referendum...who knows what it dipped into to pay...VANOC contributed approx. $60 Million,...Casino revenue of $5 Million /year for 10 years...so where did the balance come from to pay for the $180 million tab?

The Local Gov&#039;t Act/Community Charter has many loopholes that allow Local Gov&#039;ts to set up various business ventures so as to skirt accountability.

Didn&#039;t Langley hide behind P3&#039;s to build that new multi-plex ? Wasn&#039;t one of the Tri Cities in a similar mess after P3 details were devulged?

Gov&#039;ts fear their citizens...referendums are becoming extinct. 

Local Gov&#039;ts are  some of the most corrupt dictatorships out there.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53034&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>49   patriotzed</p>
<p>BC municipalities (and I think also those in other provinces) are forbidden to borrow for operating expenses. It has long been standard practice for them to borrow for all capital expenditures, which is the reason why you get that ballot with all the capital projects on it at election time.</p>
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<p>True,&#8230;.Local Gov&#8217;ts generally went to referendum to request votoe permission for capital projects/expenditures.</p>
<p>However, they can still skirt this if the are creative enough. City of Richmond, for example re-built City Hall(Approx. $50 Million) with no referendum. It engaged in an RE  venture called Odlinwood rezoned and re-developed 30+ acres for housing(right under the YVR flightpath), and who knows how it really did ..they developed it in the late 1990&#8242;s when the market was flat&#8230;? </p>
<p>Same with Olympic Oval&#8230;Richmond Council cut a deal in the summer months 2004, and never went to referendum&#8230;who knows what it dipped into to pay&#8230;VANOC contributed approx. $60 Million,&#8230;Casino revenue of $5 Million /year for 10 years&#8230;so where did the balance come from to pay for the $180 million tab?</p>
<p>The Local Gov&#8217;t Act/Community Charter has many loopholes that allow Local Gov&#8217;ts to set up various business ventures so as to skirt accountability.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Langley hide behind P3&#8242;s to build that new multi-plex ? Wasn&#8217;t one of the Tri Cities in a similar mess after P3 details were devulged?</p>
<p>Gov&#8217;ts fear their citizens&#8230;referendums are becoming extinct. </p>
<p>Local Gov&#8217;ts are  some of the most corrupt dictatorships out there.
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		<title>By: Boombust</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m seeing more listings in my hood.&quot;

Yup. This is it. Not Dieppe. Juno.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53033&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m seeing more listings in my hood.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yup. This is it. Not Dieppe. Juno.
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		<title>By: hongcouvercrackhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>hongcouvercrackhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>datsunboy - quit slackin and get back to work... stickin yer nose up cam muirs ass&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53032&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>datsunboy &#8211; quit slackin and get back to work&#8230; stickin yer nose up cam muirs ass
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		<title>By: NO - LYMPICS</title>
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		<dc:creator>NO - LYMPICS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 50 patriotzed

True re COV voters in THAT case, but by and large democracy, R.I.P.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53031&quot;&gt;-2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 50 patriotzed</p>
<p>True re COV voters in THAT case, but by and large democracy, R.I.P.
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		<title>By: patriotzed</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/09/less-money-more-expense.html#comment-53029</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-52970&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NO - LYMPICS&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Elections have been bastardized to the point democracy only exists on voting day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Vancouver voters were asked in February, 2003 whether they wanted the Olympics. 2/3 said &quot;yes&quot; (I said &quot;no&quot;).

They got what they voted for.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53029&quot;&gt;7&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-52970" rel="nofollow">NO &#8211; LYMPICS</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>Elections have been bastardized to the point democracy only exists on voting day.</p></blockquote>
<p>Vancouver voters were asked in February, 2003 whether they wanted the Olympics. 2/3 said &#8220;yes&#8221; (I said &#8220;no&#8221;).</p>
<p>They got what they voted for.
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		<title>By: patriotzed</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/09/less-money-more-expense.html#comment-53028</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-53025&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Renter&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not sure about the complexities of issuing municipal bonds in Canada, but we could see these cities getting more of their capital and operating cash from selling a lot more bonds than they have in the past.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
BC municipalities (and I think also those in other provinces) are forbidden to borrow for operating expenses. It has long been  standard practice for them to borrow for all capital expenditures, which is the reason why you get that ballot with all the capital projects on it at election time.

BTW only the City of Vancouver borrows in its own name, all other municipalities borrow though the Municipal Finance Authority which is a BC crown corporation.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53028&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-53025" rel="nofollow">Renter</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>I’m not sure about the complexities of issuing municipal bonds in Canada, but we could see these cities getting more of their capital and operating cash from selling a lot more bonds than they have in the past.</p></blockquote>
<p>BC municipalities (and I think also those in other provinces) are forbidden to borrow for operating expenses. It has long been  standard practice for them to borrow for all capital expenditures, which is the reason why you get that ballot with all the capital projects on it at election time.</p>
<p>BTW only the City of Vancouver borrows in its own name, all other municipalities borrow though the Municipal Finance Authority which is a BC crown corporation.
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		<title>By: patriotzed</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/09/less-money-more-expense.html#comment-53027</link>
		<dc:creator>patriotzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-53024&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;There are private mortgage insurance options available (e.g. GE).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No there aren&#039;t. 90% of Genworth and AIC&#039;s obligations are guaranteed by the federal government. And they aren&#039;t satisfied with that:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canadianmortgagetrends.com/canadian_mortgage_trends/2009/01/genworth-aig-push-for-100-guarantee.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As the Globe reported this week, Genworth and AIG want the finance department to guarantee their mortgage insurance 100%, just like it does for Crown corporation CMHC.&lt;/a&gt;

Isn&#039;t &quot;free enterprise&quot; great?

The last genuinely private mortgage insurer in Canada, MICC, went bankrupt and there is no way any company would be in the business today without government backstopping. Especially after the events of the last couple of years.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53027&quot;&gt;11&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-53024" rel="nofollow">Dave</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>There are private mortgage insurance options available (e.g. GE).</p></blockquote>
<p>No there aren&#8217;t. 90% of Genworth and AIC&#8217;s obligations are guaranteed by the federal government. And they aren&#8217;t satisfied with that:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canadianmortgagetrends.com/canadian_mortgage_trends/2009/01/genworth-aig-push-for-100-guarantee.html" rel="nofollow">As the Globe reported this week, Genworth and AIG want the finance department to guarantee their mortgage insurance 100%, just like it does for Crown corporation CMHC.</a></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t &#8220;free enterprise&#8221; great?</p>
<p>The last genuinely private mortgage insurer in Canada, MICC, went bankrupt and there is no way any company would be in the business today without government backstopping. Especially after the events of the last couple of years.
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-53023&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;: 

I am generalizing that governments are bloated and inefficient.  To claim otherwise is simply ignorance. I am sure that some groups and branches are focussed and efficient.  Most are not.  

Higher efficiency and focussed programs allow us to achieve more for a smaller cost.    This is a positive thing for whatever political position you advocate.  

Having multiple levels of government working on the same problems is simply not efficient.  

I have seen City of Vancouver workers playing cards for half the day in their site trailers.  Do you support that?  We could probably cut the union labour in half and not have an effect on the level of service to the City.   Do you not find it strange that City managers were able to run things with only 10% of the workforce for numerous months?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-53026&quot;&gt;-1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-53023" rel="nofollow">Anonymous</a>: </p>
<p>I am generalizing that governments are bloated and inefficient.  To claim otherwise is simply ignorance. I am sure that some groups and branches are focussed and efficient.  Most are not.  </p>
<p>Higher efficiency and focussed programs allow us to achieve more for a smaller cost.    This is a positive thing for whatever political position you advocate.  </p>
<p>Having multiple levels of government working on the same problems is simply not efficient.  </p>
<p>I have seen City of Vancouver workers playing cards for half the day in their site trailers.  Do you support that?  We could probably cut the union labour in half and not have an effect on the level of service to the City.   Do you not find it strange that City managers were able to run things with only 10% of the workforce for numerous months?
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