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		<title>By: Supraboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supraboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-57028&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oneangryslav2&lt;/a&gt;:  
So you heard from people. Watch the rental rates skyrocket at the last few days before the Olympics begin. There will be a mad scramble for accommodations.  
 
There are so many bears here it&#039;s unbelievable. You people think it&#039;s all about the Olympics. There are so many new immigrants ready to scoop out properties here at any cost. It&#039;s unfortunate that some of you don&#039;t own a place, if you do and decide to put up a for sale sign on your house, you&#039;ll have people lined up ready to bid up the prices. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-57051&quot;&gt;-10&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-57028" rel="nofollow">oneangryslav2</a>: </p>
<p>So you heard from people. Watch the rental rates skyrocket at the last few days before the Olympics begin. There will be a mad scramble for accommodations. </p>
<p>There are so many bears here it&#039;s unbelievable. You people think it&#039;s all about the Olympics. There are so many new immigrants ready to scoop out properties here at any cost. It&#039;s unfortunate that some of you don&#039;t own a place, if you do and decide to put up a for sale sign on your house, you&#039;ll have people lined up ready to bid up the prices.
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		<title>By: logic</title>
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		<dc:creator>logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>98: 
 
Yeah - I have friends trying to let their condo - which overlooks the Olympic village - and the company they lsited with failed compeltetly to do so, despite continual reassurances. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-57046&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>98:</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; I have friends trying to let their condo &#8211; which overlooks the Olympic village &#8211; and the company they lsited with failed compeltetly to do so, despite continual reassurances.
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		<title>By: oneangryslav2</title>
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		<dc:creator>oneangryslav2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard a story on CBC Radio this morning warning would-be landlords to Olympics visitors that the riches they&#039;d dreamed about may remain but a dream. This was with Cecilia Walters and she interviewed someone local--who runs a company that helps place visitors in private accommodation--and this gentleman (whose name I failed to catch) claimed that expected room rates have fallen 50%.  
 
So, while landlords had believed that they could get about $600/night for their condo/apartment, they should only expect about $300/night. I think that even this is wishful thinking for most. I&#039;ve also heard from people who work there, that some local hotels--Richmond, Burnaby, Coquitlam--have many, many rooms to spare during February. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-57028&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a story on CBC Radio this morning warning would-be landlords to Olympics visitors that the riches they&#039;d dreamed about may remain but a dream. This was with Cecilia Walters and she interviewed someone local&#8211;who runs a company that helps place visitors in private accommodation&#8211;and this gentleman (whose name I failed to catch) claimed that expected room rates have fallen 50%. </p>
<p>So, while landlords had believed that they could get about $600/night for their condo/apartment, they should only expect about $300/night. I think that even this is wishful thinking for most. I&#039;ve also heard from people who work there, that some local hotels&#8211;Richmond, Burnaby, Coquitlam&#8211;have many, many rooms to spare during February.
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, I added &quot;At the same time affordability is dropping as the BOC begins to raise rates and some borderline mortgage owners are forced to sell because they can no longer make payments.&quot; to the wrong section, I meant that to be at the end of Spring 2010. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-57022&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, I added &quot;At the same time affordability is dropping as the BOC begins to raise rates and some borderline mortgage owners are forced to sell because they can no longer make payments.&quot; to the wrong section, I meant that to be at the end of Spring 2010.
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-57007&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Purp&lt;/a&gt;:  
 
My predictions are as follows: 
 
Spring 2010 there is a listings boom as people who have been holding out for the post-olympic rush of foreign investment finally sell, prices stagnate or fall somewhat while inventory skyrockets, by the end of summer prices are falling decisively. 
 
Fall 2010 prices continue to fall while listings remain above anything we&#039;ve seen up until now although many are taken off the market in the hopes that they can be re-listed to sell (at a lower price) in the spring. 
 
Spring-Summer 2011 prices continue to fall, people around Vancouver who have been stubbornly refusing to admit that real-estate can and does go down suddenly realize they were wrong, in the rush for the exits listings boom and prices begin to drop like a stone (until 2011 I do not foresee really big drops, here is where the curve begins to pick up steam).  At the same time affordability is dropping as the BOC begins to raise rates and some borderline mortgage owners are forced to sell because they can no longer make payments. 
 
Fall 2012 - Time to buy!  Prices have fallen nearly 60% and if you do some bargain hunting you can make some serious deals from shell-shocked owners or on bank foreclosures. 
 
2013- onwards.  Prices begin to settle, at approximately 40% of peak values.  Government regulation (I hope!) and the shock of thousands of people declaring bankruptcy helps to stabilize the market as people realize the dangers inherent in this sort of bubble (and then everyone promptly goes off to invest in a DIFFERENT bubble). 
 
That&#039;s my best guess.  I&#039;d only give about even odds on the exact timing, as we&#039;ve seen government intervention can delay the inevitable for years and I think it&#039;s entirely possible that we&#039;re so far beyond what other markets in North America have seen things could fall abnormally fast, so give or take a year on the overall cycle. 
 
Price percentages are in adjusted dollars from peak values. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-57021&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-57007" rel="nofollow">Purp</a>: </p>
<p>My predictions are as follows:</p>
<p>Spring 2010 there is a listings boom as people who have been holding out for the post-olympic rush of foreign investment finally sell, prices stagnate or fall somewhat while inventory skyrockets, by the end of summer prices are falling decisively.</p>
<p>Fall 2010 prices continue to fall while listings remain above anything we&#039;ve seen up until now although many are taken off the market in the hopes that they can be re-listed to sell (at a lower price) in the spring.</p>
<p>Spring-Summer 2011 prices continue to fall, people around Vancouver who have been stubbornly refusing to admit that real-estate can and does go down suddenly realize they were wrong, in the rush for the exits listings boom and prices begin to drop like a stone (until 2011 I do not foresee really big drops, here is where the curve begins to pick up steam).  At the same time affordability is dropping as the BOC begins to raise rates and some borderline mortgage owners are forced to sell because they can no longer make payments.</p>
<p>Fall 2012 &#8211; Time to buy!  Prices have fallen nearly 60% and if you do some bargain hunting you can make some serious deals from shell-shocked owners or on bank foreclosures.</p>
<p>2013- onwards.  Prices begin to settle, at approximately 40% of peak values.  Government regulation (I hope!) and the shock of thousands of people declaring bankruptcy helps to stabilize the market as people realize the dangers inherent in this sort of bubble (and then everyone promptly goes off to invest in a DIFFERENT bubble).</p>
<p>That&#039;s my best guess.  I&#039;d only give about even odds on the exact timing, as we&#039;ve seen government intervention can delay the inevitable for years and I think it&#039;s entirely possible that we&#039;re so far beyond what other markets in North America have seen things could fall abnormally fast, so give or take a year on the overall cycle.</p>
<p>Price percentages are in adjusted dollars from peak values.
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		<title>By: realpaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>realpaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krikey, double post, sorry. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-57019&quot;&gt;-4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krikey, double post, sorry.
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		<title>By: realpaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>realpaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/mother-of-all-carry-trades-faces-an-inevitable-bust/article1347932/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/mot...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Nice to see the fools are being dragged into the story kicking and screaming. Denial becomes increasingly uncomfortable doesn&#039;t it. One fool at a time, thats all it takes. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-57018&quot;&gt;-4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/mother-of-all-carry-trades-faces-an-inevitable-bust/article1347932/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/mot" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/mot</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>Nice to see the fools are being dragged into the story kicking and screaming. Denial becomes increasingly uncomfortable doesn&#039;t it. One fool at a time, thats all it takes.
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		<title>By: realpaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>realpaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This unraveling may not occur for a while, as easy money and excessive global liquidity can push asset prices higher for a while. But the longer and bigger the carry trades and the larger the asset bubble, the bigger will be the ensuing asset bubble crash. The Fed and other policymakers seem unaware of the monster bubble they are creating. The longer they remain blind, the harder the markets will fall. &quot; 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/mother-of-all-carry-trades-faces-an-inevitable-bust/article1347932/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/mot...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
 
PS, good to see the clowns are still following the story. Awareness changes attitudes, one fool at a time. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-57017&quot;&gt;-3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;This unraveling may not occur for a while, as easy money and excessive global liquidity can push asset prices higher for a while. But the longer and bigger the carry trades and the larger the asset bubble, the bigger will be the ensuing asset bubble crash. The Fed and other policymakers seem unaware of the monster bubble they are creating. The longer they remain blind, the harder the markets will fall. &quot;</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/mother-of-all-carry-trades-faces-an-inevitable-bust/article1347932/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/mot" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/mot</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>PS, good to see the clowns are still following the story. Awareness changes attitudes, one fool at a time.
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		<title>By: nothing to read..</title>
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		<dc:creator>nothing to read..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the paper and they said it will burst on Nov. 6 at 4pm..  better double check with a realtor. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-57015&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the paper and they said it will burst on Nov. 6 at 4pm..  better double check with a realtor.
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		<title>By: Purp</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s clear this market is still wildly overvalued, however it&#039;s been chugging ever upwards in obvious defiance of fundamentals and bears&#039; analysis for quite a few years now, so what bursts the bubble and when?  People who need to make future RE plans (rent/buy) want to know!  Predictions? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-57007&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s clear this market is still wildly overvalued, however it&#039;s been chugging ever upwards in obvious defiance of fundamentals and bears&#039; analysis for quite a few years now, so what bursts the bubble and when?  People who need to make future RE plans (rent/buy) want to know!  Predictions?
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