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		<title>By: What happens if the debtor of a lien dies in califiornia &#124; Money Talks...</title>
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		<description>[...] Metro Vancouver industrial real estate prices plummet, vacancies &#8230; [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-66032&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: space889</title>
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		<dc:creator>space889</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58969&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Purp&lt;/a&gt;: Not all municipalities follow that model.  Majority do but not all.  The big one is apparently City of Vancouver which operates more on a % level rather than on a budget level. 
 
Also doesn&#039;t change the fact that higher property assessment values can mean a lower property tax rate even if the tax has actually gone up.  If enough people believe the property tax is set based on a rate then a lower rate will give the appareance of doing a good job to keep the costs down. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58998&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-58969" rel="nofollow">Purp</a>: Not all municipalities follow that model.  Majority do but not all.  The big one is apparently City of Vancouver which operates more on a % level rather than on a budget level.</p>
<p>Also doesn&#039;t change the fact that higher property assessment values can mean a lower property tax rate even if the tax has actually gone up.  If enough people believe the property tax is set based on a rate then a lower rate will give the appareance of doing a good job to keep the costs down.
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		<title>By: patriotzed</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58978&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deliverator&lt;/a&gt;:  
&lt;blockquote&gt;Tamil is a state in India, not a race&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Well actually Tamil is the language spoken by (surprise) Tamils. Tamil Nadu (which literally means &quot;Tamil Land&quot; is a state in India. Tamils are an ethnic group whose homeland is Tamil Nadu and who also live in Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Singapore and elsewhere. Whether you want to call an ethnic group a &quot;race&quot; is subjective and not worth debating. 
 
realpaul: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Big Lie is that prices go up. They don&#8217;t. The purchasing power of your dollars goes DOWN.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Are there prizes for this kind of thinking? The price of something is how much money it takes to buy it. The purchasing power of money is how much of something you get for a given amount of money. In other words, one is the reciprocal of the other, and if one goes up the other goes down, by definition. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58982&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-58978" rel="nofollow">Deliverator</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>Tamil is a state in India, not a race</p></blockquote>
<p>Well actually Tamil is the language spoken by (surprise) Tamils. Tamil Nadu (which literally means &quot;Tamil Land&quot; is a state in India. Tamils are an ethnic group whose homeland is Tamil Nadu and who also live in Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Singapore and elsewhere. Whether you want to call an ethnic group a &quot;race&quot; is subjective and not worth debating.</p>
<p>realpaul:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Big Lie is that prices go up. They don&rsquo;t. The purchasing power of your dollars goes DOWN.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are there prizes for this kind of thinking? The price of something is how much money it takes to buy it. The purchasing power of money is how much of something you get for a given amount of money. In other words, one is the reciprocal of the other, and if one goes up the other goes down, by definition.
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		<title>By: Deliverator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deliverator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58952&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;realpaul&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;Sikh is a tribe currently occupying the state of Punjab not a race and Tamil is a state in India, not a race&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Sikh is a religion. 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58978&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-58952" rel="nofollow">realpaul</a>: <i>Sikh is a tribe currently occupying the state of Punjab not a race and Tamil is a state in India, not a race</i></p>
<p>Sikh is a religion.</p>
<p>  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh</a>
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		<title>By: Purp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Truthiness : I think it&#039;s been discussed here lots before, but property taxes are not calculated as you describe.  The annual budget is determined, and then property assessments are used to divide this tax burden based on a property&#039;s assessment relative to other properties.  Total assessed value of all properties do not affect the total amount of taxes collected. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58969&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Truthiness : I think it&#039;s been discussed here lots before, but property taxes are not calculated as you describe.  The annual budget is determined, and then property assessments are used to divide this tax burden based on a property&#039;s assessment relative to other properties.  Total assessed value of all properties do not affect the total amount of taxes collected.
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthiness; 
 
You don&#039;t really understand how municipal taxes work this has been covered 1,000 times here so I won&#039;t go into detail but it doesn&#039;t work the way you think it does. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58968&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthiness;</p>
<p>You don&#039;t really understand how municipal taxes work this has been covered 1,000 times here so I won&#039;t go into detail but it doesn&#039;t work the way you think it does.
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		<title>By: tincup</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58954&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ulsterman&lt;/a&gt;: #44 
I agree, Ulsterman. I lived in South Granville for about five years, and it was sad to see old places like the Normandy shut down to make way for yet another women&#039;s shoe store.  Even the butcher has moved to kits (on 4th) because it&#039;s more affordable.  I guess its proximity to Shaugnessy makes the landlords ask high rents.  Glad they are not getting them. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58967&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-58954" rel="nofollow">Ulsterman</a>: #44</p>
<p>I agree, Ulsterman. I lived in South Granville for about five years, and it was sad to see old places like the Normandy shut down to make way for yet another women&#039;s shoe store.  Even the butcher has moved to kits (on 4th) because it&#039;s more affordable.  I guess its proximity to Shaugnessy makes the landlords ask high rents.  Glad they are not getting them.
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		<title>By: truthiness</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another gem from g&#039;s blog comments points out that civil service unions love the rise in assesments because it clears the way for higher wage and benefit demands. Sneaky eh? 
 
&quot;High real estate prices are a stealth tax. Governments, at all levels, pursue policies that tend toward higher real estate prices.  
 
Why? It&#8217;s a way to raise taxes without officially &#8220;raising taxes.&#8221;  
 
The key beneficiaries are the municipal politicians and municipal public employees, but also the provincial governments, along with the federal government.  
 
Higher assessments mean higher property tax revenue. This means that municipalities require less in the way of transfer payments from the provinces, and, in turn the provinces need less from the federal government.  
 
Feeding the municipalities with high real estate prices leaves the feds and the provinces with more money to &#8220;redistribute.&#8221; 
 
This is before we even start talking about the sales tax revenues associated with building, buying, selling, and maintaining property. 
 
Maybe we need to rethink the way we do municipal finance?  
 
Perhaps eliminate all property taxes, with a corresponding increase in provincial sales taxes, with municipalities getting a transfer from the provinces based on population? 
 
Has anyone thought about or written about the housing bubble from this angle? 
 
&#8220;None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.&#8221; 
 
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58962&quot;&gt;-1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another gem from g&#039;s blog comments points out that civil service unions love the rise in assesments because it clears the way for higher wage and benefit demands. Sneaky eh?</p>
<p>&quot;High real estate prices are a stealth tax. Governments, at all levels, pursue policies that tend toward higher real estate prices. </p>
<p>Why? It&rsquo;s a way to raise taxes without officially &ldquo;raising taxes.&rdquo; </p>
<p>The key beneficiaries are the municipal politicians and municipal public employees, but also the provincial governments, along with the federal government. </p>
<p>Higher assessments mean higher property tax revenue. This means that municipalities require less in the way of transfer payments from the provinces, and, in turn the provinces need less from the federal government. </p>
<p>Feeding the municipalities with high real estate prices leaves the feds and the provinces with more money to &ldquo;redistribute.&rdquo;</p>
<p>This is before we even start talking about the sales tax revenues associated with building, buying, selling, and maintaining property.</p>
<p>Maybe we need to rethink the way we do municipal finance? </p>
<p>Perhaps eliminate all property taxes, with a corresponding increase in provincial sales taxes, with municipalities getting a transfer from the provinces based on population?</p>
<p>Has anyone thought about or written about the housing bubble from this angle?</p>
<p>&ldquo;None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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		<title>By: Starving Artist</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also an interesting comment from the Greater Fool blog.... 
 
Cariboojohn on 11.12.09 at 3:56 pm 
Hi Garth 
I live downtown Vancouver- Gastown, in somewhat of a new building. 1996 It has 170 suites in it. 
I was just reading my council minutes. 
One lien has been placed on a unit. 
Two last warning letters for two units. 
And four warning letters to units. 
That seams high to me.That thay can`t pay the mantenace fee`s &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58961&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also an interesting comment from the Greater Fool blog&#8230;.</p>
<p>Cariboojohn on 11.12.09 at 3:56 pm</p>
<p>Hi Garth</p>
<p>I live downtown Vancouver- Gastown, in somewhat of a new building. 1996 It has 170 suites in it.</p>
<p>I was just reading my council minutes.</p>
<p>One lien has been placed on a unit.</p>
<p>Two last warning letters for two units.</p>
<p>And four warning letters to units.</p>
<p>That seams high to me.That thay can`t pay the mantenace fee`s
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		<title>By: Starving Artist</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting precedent.... 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/11/11/bc-home-inspection-lawsuit.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
The B.C. Supreme Court has ordered a home inspector to pay nearly $200,000 in compensation to a North Vancouver couple for a faulty home inspection he performed. 
 
The court found that Imre Toth of Aldergrove was negligent because he failed to inspect the entire home, and should have advised the couple to hire a structural engineer before they bought the $1.1-million house in September 2006. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58960&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting precedent&#8230;.</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/11/11/bc-home-inspection-lawsuit.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>The B.C. Supreme Court has ordered a home inspector to pay nearly $200,000 in compensation to a North Vancouver couple for a faulty home inspection he performed.</p>
<p>The court found that Imre Toth of Aldergrove was negligent because he failed to inspect the entire home, and should have advised the couple to hire a structural engineer before they bought the $1.1-million house in September 2006.
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