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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58913&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vic&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;They had to put up job ads and brought in government IT workers to fill the position. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Yeah because they want to pay below market rates to save money. Below market rates for temporary position no less, not a permanent full-time position. Good luck filling those positions with quality applicants. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58953&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-58913" rel="nofollow">Vic</a>:<br />
<blockquote>They had to put up job ads and brought in government IT workers to fill the position. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah because they want to pay below market rates to save money. Below market rates for temporary position no less, not a permanent full-time position. Good luck filling those positions with quality applicants.
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		<title>By: Music Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Music Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The real reason for high prices isn&#8217;t rich foreigners or even record low interest rates. It&#8217;s the locals who buy at the high prices. Nobody, especially the developers, is holding a gun to their heads and there are thousands of places available for rent every month if they don&#8217;t want to buy.&quot; 
 
Local buyers are in the game partly because of propaganda perpetuated by &#039;the developers&#039;. True, no one is holding a gun to their heads, but the &#039;fear of loss&#039; pitch is scaring people into never being able to buy if they don&#039;t do it now. 
 
Scullboy, good luck back east! I grew up in Ottawa and have also lived for 2 years in Toronto, and 2 years in Montreal. There&#039;s nothing bad whatsoever about living back there IMO. It&#039;s a totally different lifestyle than Vancouver, that&#039;s all. The only reason I&#039;m still here is due to my ties to the music and film biz. Oh, and I rent by the way. I would never buy here unless prices dropped dramatically. Nice city, but best in the world? Not likely. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58932&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;The real reason for high prices isn&rsquo;t rich foreigners or even record low interest rates. It&rsquo;s the locals who buy at the high prices. Nobody, especially the developers, is holding a gun to their heads and there are thousands of places available for rent every month if they don&rsquo;t want to buy.&quot;</p>
<p>Local buyers are in the game partly because of propaganda perpetuated by &#039;the developers&#039;. True, no one is holding a gun to their heads, but the &#039;fear of loss&#039; pitch is scaring people into never being able to buy if they don&#039;t do it now.</p>
<p>Scullboy, good luck back east! I grew up in Ottawa and have also lived for 2 years in Toronto, and 2 years in Montreal. There&#039;s nothing bad whatsoever about living back there IMO. It&#039;s a totally different lifestyle than Vancouver, that&#039;s all. The only reason I&#039;m still here is due to my ties to the music and film biz. Oh, and I rent by the way. I would never buy here unless prices dropped dramatically. Nice city, but best in the world? Not likely.
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in the hi-tech industry and its been downhill for our industry since 2000.  I am sure you all know about the 2000 tech bubble and we haven&#039;t really recovered since.  A lot of tech companies like Kodak, EA, SAP (aka Business Obj aka Crystal Decisions), Glenayre, PMC-Sierra have been downsizing and ofshoring for years.  We have big tech parks that sit empty for years -- because nobody is really expanding and there are very few sustainable and quality startups.  The big US companies aren&#039;t buying startups like they used to.  Back in 2000, if you had a business with the word .com...you would be rich instantly.  Today...its not quite the same.  

But what&#039;s funny...is that with all these layoffs and high tech workers being idle in Vancouver....and we have a shortage of high tech volunteers for 2010 Olympics.  They had to put up job ads and brought in government IT workers to fill the position.  Strange...&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58913&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in the hi-tech industry and its been downhill for our industry since 2000.  I am sure you all know about the 2000 tech bubble and we haven&#8217;t really recovered since.  A lot of tech companies like Kodak, EA, SAP (aka Business Obj aka Crystal Decisions), Glenayre, PMC-Sierra have been downsizing and ofshoring for years.  We have big tech parks that sit empty for years &#8212; because nobody is really expanding and there are very few sustainable and quality startups.  The big US companies aren&#8217;t buying startups like they used to.  Back in 2000, if you had a business with the word .com&#8230;you would be rich instantly.  Today&#8230;its not quite the same.  </p>
<p>But what&#8217;s funny&#8230;is that with all these layoffs and high tech workers being idle in Vancouver&#8230;.and we have a shortage of high tech volunteers for 2010 Olympics.  They had to put up job ads and brought in government IT workers to fill the position.  Strange&#8230;
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		<title>By: No Longer Looking</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Longer Looking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58913&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vic&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;But what&#8217;s funny&#8230;is that with all these layoffs and high tech workers being idle in Vancouver&#8230;.and we have a shortage of high tech volunteers for 2010 Olympics. They had to put up job ads and brought in government IT workers to fill the position. Strange&#8230;&quot; 
 
Why would anybody work for free while others are making big bucks off the Olympics? Nobody wants to be a sucker (not intentionally). &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58916&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-58913" rel="nofollow">Vic</a>: &quot;But what&rsquo;s funny&hellip;is that with all these layoffs and high tech workers being idle in Vancouver&hellip;.and we have a shortage of high tech volunteers for 2010 Olympics. They had to put up job ads and brought in government IT workers to fill the position. Strange&hellip;&quot;</p>
<p>Why would anybody work for free while others are making big bucks off the Olympics? Nobody wants to be a sucker (not intentionally).
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		<title>By: Ultraman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ultraman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#93 was from me. 
 
Ultraman &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58902&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#93 was from me.</p>
<p>Ultraman
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#83 krazy kanuck said 
 &quot;Having said this, I disagree with you about the steep price. If you are willing to rent...&quot; 
 
Totally agree with you as many have demonstrated on this blog before, renting is the way to go. This is why I sold my condo. Moving this weekend in a brand new apart at the Woodward&#039;s. About $700-$800 cheaper than owning, worry free, cash in the bank and like I said 1 month notice away from moving. I find the transition to renters to be very liberating. This consumable desire to buy that so many people are obsessed with is making them slaves. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58901&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#83 krazy kanuck said</p>
<p> &quot;Having said this, I disagree with you about the steep price. If you are willing to rent&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>Totally agree with you as many have demonstrated on this blog before, renting is the way to go. This is why I sold my condo. Moving this weekend in a brand new apart at the Woodward&#039;s. About $700-$800 cheaper than owning, worry free, cash in the bank and like I said 1 month notice away from moving. I find the transition to renters to be very liberating. This consumable desire to buy that so many people are obsessed with is making them slaves.
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		<title>By: stagnate</title>
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		<dc:creator>stagnate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chumpdawg, there is nothing special about vancouver at all. the demand for sfh&#039;s is a mammoth multiple above the land available for sfh&#039;s. the notion that developers have something to do with it is bogus. all they can do is build condos: and look at the new condo guide this month- they&#039;re back to building condos like there&#039;s no tomorrow. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58889&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chumpdawg, there is nothing special about vancouver at all. the demand for sfh&#039;s is a mammoth multiple above the land available for sfh&#039;s. the notion that developers have something to do with it is bogus. all they can do is build condos: and look at the new condo guide this month- they&#039;re back to building condos like there&#039;s no tomorrow.
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58864&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chumpdawg&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;&quot;The profits produced for a small group are incredible-and so the will to protect those profits is powerful.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 
 
I don&#039;t agree with you that the tail is wagging the dog. There is no scarcity of housing in Vancouver and yet there is a plenitude of people -- under no duress -- willing to take out significant levels of debt to be owners. The developers would have no power if there were no buyers. Just witness last year when sales fell through the floor and projects were canceled left right and centre. 
 
The real reason for high prices isn&#039;t rich foreigners or even record low interest rates. It&#039;s the locals who buy at the high prices. Nobody, especially the developers, is holding a gun to their heads and there are thousands of places available for rent every month if they don&#039;t want to buy. 
 
But go ahead and run your expose on the Real Estate Industrial Complex. IMO the real story are the buyers willing to make bad investment decisions. But nobody wants to read about that. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58879&quot;&gt;10&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-58864" rel="nofollow">chumpdawg</a>: <i>&quot;The profits produced for a small group are incredible-and so the will to protect those profits is powerful.&quot;</i></p>
<p>I don&#039;t agree with you that the tail is wagging the dog. There is no scarcity of housing in Vancouver and yet there is a plenitude of people &#8212; under no duress &#8212; willing to take out significant levels of debt to be owners. The developers would have no power if there were no buyers. Just witness last year when sales fell through the floor and projects were canceled left right and centre.</p>
<p>The real reason for high prices isn&#039;t rich foreigners or even record low interest rates. It&#039;s the locals who buy at the high prices. Nobody, especially the developers, is holding a gun to their heads and there are thousands of places available for rent every month if they don&#039;t want to buy.</p>
<p>But go ahead and run your expose on the Real Estate Industrial Complex. IMO the real story are the buyers willing to make bad investment decisions. But nobody wants to read about that.
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		<title>By: nonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>nonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58864&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chumpdawg&lt;/a&gt;:  
 
Chumpdog if you look at the history of Vancouver it is one of speculation. 
 
&#8220;You or your agent hold on to it till property rises, then sell out and buy more land further out of town and repeat the process. I do not quite see how this sort of thing helps the growth of a town, but the English Boy says that it is the &#039;essence of speculation,&#039; so it must be all right.&quot; 
 
 Rudyard Kipling writing about his investment about 100 years ago. 
 
Vancouver &quot;is suffering in a special degree from haphazard growth and speculation in real estate, notwithstanding the progress that has taken place in the last few years in regard to the control of sanitary matters and local improvements.&quot; 
 
Thomas Adams urban planner in 1915. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58876&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-58864" rel="nofollow">chumpdawg</a>: </p>
<p>Chumpdog if you look at the history of Vancouver it is one of speculation.</p>
<p>&ldquo;You or your agent hold on to it till property rises, then sell out and buy more land further out of town and repeat the process. I do not quite see how this sort of thing helps the growth of a town, but the English Boy says that it is the &#039;essence of speculation,&#039; so it must be all right.&quot;</p>
<p> Rudyard Kipling writing about his investment about 100 years ago.</p>
<p>Vancouver &quot;is suffering in a special degree from haphazard growth and speculation in real estate, notwithstanding the progress that has taken place in the last few years in regard to the control of sanitary matters and local improvements.&quot;</p>
<p>Thomas Adams urban planner in 1915.
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		<title>By: asalvari1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-58830&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;scullboy&lt;/a&gt;:  
 
Good luck and wish you success. I will definitely miss your rants - one of the kind. In a way, I envy you - you are getting out of the madness and going back to the real world. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-58870&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-58830" rel="nofollow">scullboy</a>: </p>
<p>Good luck and wish you success. I will definitely miss your rants &#8211; one of the kind. In a way, I envy you &#8211; you are getting out of the madness and going back to the real world.
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