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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Resolutions for 2010: Honesty First 
By Kevin Gaudet  Thursday, December 31, 2009   &lt;a href=&quot;http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/18471&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1847...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
The political year of 2009 in Canada was &#8211; yet again &#8211; marked too often by hypocrisy and self-interest. Looking forward to 2010 there are many ways which politicians could raise the bar higher. Start with more honesty in politics, focusing on making Canada more prosperous, instead of only worrying about grabbing and holding on to power for its own sake. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61224&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>By Kevin Gaudet  Thursday, December 31, 2009<br />
  <a href="http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/18471" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1847" rel="nofollow">http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1847</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>The political year of 2009 in Canada was &ndash; yet again &ndash; marked too often by hypocrisy and self-interest. Looking forward to 2010 there are many ways which politicians could raise the bar higher. Start with more honesty in politics, focusing on making Canada more prosperous, instead of only worrying about grabbing and holding on to power for its own sake.
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		<title>By: domus</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/12/raising-down-payments-would-sideline-ftbs.html#comment-61222</link>
		<dc:creator>domus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renters win 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/12/renters-win.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/12/renters...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Best luck to all! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61222&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renters win</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/12/renters-win.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/12/renters" rel="nofollow">http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/12/renters</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>Best luck to all!
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		<title>By: pricedoutfornow</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2009/12/raising-down-payments-would-sideline-ftbs.html#comment-61221</link>
		<dc:creator>pricedoutfornow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-61211&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bubble Lad&lt;/a&gt;:  
 
Good article, it points out just how intertwined the housing market is with the entire economy. I was talking to someone the other day who believes that the housing market will have a hard time crashing simply because everyone, the banks, government, entire housing industry is determined to keep the market up and prices high. My argument is, well, it didn&#039;t exactly work in the US, did it? Eventually you&#039;ll run out of fools, like any ponzi scheme. Or so I hope. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61221&quot;&gt;7&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-61211" rel="nofollow">Bubble Lad</a>: </p>
<p>Good article, it points out just how intertwined the housing market is with the entire economy. I was talking to someone the other day who believes that the housing market will have a hard time crashing simply because everyone, the banks, government, entire housing industry is determined to keep the market up and prices high. My argument is, well, it didn&#039;t exactly work in the US, did it? Eventually you&#039;ll run out of fools, like any ponzi scheme. Or so I hope.
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		<title>By: logic</title>
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		<dc:creator>logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>27: 
 
&quot;Special buildings such as Museums, Mansions and Castles&quot; 
 
There&#039;s Van&#039;s next trick!  We don&#039;t have a CASTLE yet!  lolz &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61220&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>27:</p>
<p>&quot;Special buildings such as Museums, Mansions and Castles&quot;</p>
<p>There&#039;s Van&#039;s next trick!  We don&#039;t have a CASTLE yet!  lolz
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		<title>By: rubberduckie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rubberduckie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking of other things FTB might stand for.  Jump in any time. 
 
Full Time Borrowers 
Future Taxed Bozos &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61217&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of other things FTB might stand for.  Jump in any time.</p>
<p>Full Time Borrowers</p>
<p>Future Taxed Bozos
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		<title>By: domus</title>
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		<dc:creator>domus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy new year to all! Sit down and enjoy the coming crash 2.0 (delayed, but arguably better than the first release!) &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61216&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy new year to all! Sit down and enjoy the coming crash 2.0 (delayed, but arguably better than the first release!)
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		<title>By: Bcite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bcite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a good chuckle and an eye roll or two: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://store.steampowered.com/app/38080/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://store.steampowered.com/app/38080/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61212&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a good chuckle and an eye roll or two:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://store.steampowered.com/app/38080/" rel="nofollow">http://store.steampowered.com/app/38080/</a>
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		<title>By: Bubble Lad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubble Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A continuation of arit&#039;s posting (from the same site) I think fills in the other half of the equation: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://patrick.net/housing/crash2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://patrick.net/housing/crash2.html&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61211&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A continuation of arit&#039;s posting (from the same site) I think fills in the other half of the equation:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://patrick.net/housing/crash2.html" rel="nofollow">http://patrick.net/housing/crash2.html</a>
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		<title>By: Bubble Lad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubble Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>24 - I think &quot;taylor&quot; hit the nail on the head: that is the flip side of the &quot;everyone wants to live here&quot; argument: if people have the ability to pick up stakes and move here to enjoy the good times, then they also have the ability to hit the &quot;eject&quot; button if things go belly up. 
 
The one thing that has always struck me about Vancouver is how transitory a large portion of the population is here.  No one seems particularly invested in long term solutions that might require any effort.  The province is CURSED with a boom-and-bust, get rich quick, mindset that has meshed to perfection with the housing bubble.  That, coupled with an almost complete absence of any entrepreneurial spirit has created a perfect storm of speculations. 
 
Those who have lived here more than a generations seem caught in a &quot;company town&quot; mentality - a passive mindset that sits and waits for those at the top to close or re-open the mine, fishery, or timber patch - except now the industry is RE, so everyone just sits around speculating on interest rates, housing values, whether or not the Olympics will jump start the market - instead of actually DOING THINGS like starting a new business, that might benefit the province down the road. 
 
For this reason, Vancouver is royally screwed when the bust comes (just like it has every single time before). &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61210&quot;&gt;17&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>24 &#8211; I think &quot;taylor&quot; hit the nail on the head: that is the flip side of the &quot;everyone wants to live here&quot; argument: if people have the ability to pick up stakes and move here to enjoy the good times, then they also have the ability to hit the &quot;eject&quot; button if things go belly up.</p>
<p>The one thing that has always struck me about Vancouver is how transitory a large portion of the population is here.  No one seems particularly invested in long term solutions that might require any effort.  The province is CURSED with a boom-and-bust, get rich quick, mindset that has meshed to perfection with the housing bubble.  That, coupled with an almost complete absence of any entrepreneurial spirit has created a perfect storm of speculations.</p>
<p>Those who have lived here more than a generations seem caught in a &quot;company town&quot; mentality &#8211; a passive mindset that sits and waits for those at the top to close or re-open the mine, fishery, or timber patch &#8211; except now the industry is RE, so everyone just sits around speculating on interest rates, housing values, whether or not the Olympics will jump start the market &#8211; instead of actually DOING THINGS like starting a new business, that might benefit the province down the road.</p>
<p>For this reason, Vancouver is royally screwed when the bust comes (just like it has every single time before).
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		<title>By: taylor192</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#19 Nero 
 
You are very correct that housing costs need to drop in BC to encourage economic growth.  
 
I am one of many young Canadians that migrated west to take advantage of the economic boom. I might be one of many that won&#039;t stay cause I&#039;m priced out of the housing market.  
 
I&#039;ve had discussions recently with other 25-35yos that are considering a move back east once the economy here starts to struggle or its time to start a family. It just doesn&#039;t make sense to take on high housing costs to stay here, or when the Olympic/construction job markets dry up.  
 
The alternative is to flee metro Vancouver to the burbs of Surrey leaving behind the beach/mountains that brought us here. Might as well continue heading east, back to where we came and much cheaper housing costs. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61206&quot;&gt;16&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#19 Nero</p>
<p>You are very correct that housing costs need to drop in BC to encourage economic growth. </p>
<p>I am one of many young Canadians that migrated west to take advantage of the economic boom. I might be one of many that won&#039;t stay cause I&#039;m priced out of the housing market. </p>
<p>I&#039;ve had discussions recently with other 25-35yos that are considering a move back east once the economy here starts to struggle or its time to start a family. It just doesn&#039;t make sense to take on high housing costs to stay here, or when the Olympic/construction job markets dry up. </p>
<p>The alternative is to flee metro Vancouver to the burbs of Surrey leaving behind the beach/mountains that brought us here. Might as well continue heading east, back to where we came and much cheaper housing costs.
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