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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Flame

“The modern convention of moving the Olympic Flame via a relay system from Olympia to the Olympic venue began with the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin, Germany.

The relay, captured in Leni Riefenstahl’s film Olympia, was part of the Nazi propaganda machine’s attempt to add myth and mystique to Adolf Hitler’s regime. Hitler saw the link with the ancient Games as the perfect way to illustrate his belief that classical Greece was an Aryan forerunner of the modern German Reich.”

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The government isn’t doing the lending to individuals. But yeah if the bank bails and calls in the mortgage insurance the government will go through the same steps a bank or other institution would to collect their money.

“CMHC really is no different than any other creditors and will follow the standard collection processes available. Essentially you would be looking at them trying to collect by directly making arrangements with you. If that fails then you will be looking at being subject to a garnishee.” – Barton Goth (Bankruptcy Lawyer)

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http://matrix.millersamuel.com/?p=6067

Also the owner occupied dwelling isnt 30% its 55% and a big contributor is manhatten wich is ~20%. However business rentals are a good reason for this which must compete with regular properties; vancouver doesnt have that. In order for that to develop I really think you need some major industries (and dope doesnt count for downtown).

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Is that like a hybrid of leverage to the hilt and leverage to the tits?

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Greaterfool.ca is back up now.

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I don’t know, it was running yesterday. Perhaps Bob Rennie put out a web ‘contract’ on that site? I’m sure it will be up again soon enough.

@Johnny O:

“I think your alter ego is Drachen.”

Well I probably do have enough ego for two people but I certainly don’t have that much time to waste. Plus, I go on vacation occasionally, you might have noticed I didn’t post at all for three or so weeks around Christmas.

Anyhow, I can guarantee you I’m not him.

“Worst case scenario, if you can’t wait it out till properties recover (and they always do, look at Argentina after their 2001 bond defaults) then you tell the bank to GFY and throw them the keys.”

This is not California, the bank has the very legitimate right to come after you for everything you own, your only recourse would be to declare bankruptcy. And of course buying a house with 5% down and the intent to never make any monthly payments is almost certainly considered a form of fraud in Canada. But good luck with that plan! Write to me from Jail and tell me how it worked out for you!

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Vancouver west end downtown false creek north
false creek south according to election stats
are approx 70% renters and 30% owner/occupied

we are Manhattanized already, nothing new here!

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4. NYC’s 70% rental ownership, I believe it was in the NYTimes posting or the economist.

70% of households renting is not the same as 70% of individually titled dwellings being rented. Multi-unit rentals have to be rented (duh) and NYC has the highest % of these out of total dwellings of any US city. This issue here is how many dwellings which could be owner-occupied are rented out, and I haven’t seen any evidence that NYC is higher than any other US city in this respect.

That’s a question of fact. As to your other points, which are conjectures, you have no facts to back them up.

As for alternate identities, I must admit to using “patriotzed” when I’m away from my own computer so I don’t have to log onto WordPress. But that’s all.

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[1] dope industry – this is new is it? Wasn’t around prior to the 2002 start of the boom? Next myth please.

[2] “I can’t find the source” – ie: you don’t have a source. Please return when you have one to support your “opinion”.

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Btw, patriotz, I think your alter ego is Drachen. If i’m correct in that statement (and only you would know) then you better start believing in what I say to be dead on.

Look, I’m not a bull or else I would be leveraging myself to the tilt to buy more Vancouver properties. It’s not my point.

But I would at least like to educate those that think waiting while inflation destroys your hard earned savings is not very smart. (I liked your posting ‘rp’ but giving up is not the solution) People have to get creative to get in the market.

Patriotz, in response to Q 1-4:

1. who’s going to buy the homes vacated? C’mon! look at who is importing their new found wealth!!! It’s also been published (christ I’m bad with my references!) that the dope industry is bigger than tourism in this province. Guess where that cash is being laundered?

2. See (1) That’s correct. They’re the ones buying up property.

3. those rental dwellings are going to be rented with the other unfortunates not wanting to accept reality. There is NO over capacity in rentals in Vancouver or else all those midget height basement suites would not be rented out by those who depend on them.

I like to call this new class of Vancouver landlords living in their over-priced decriped homes, Slum Dog Millionaires!

4. NYC’s 70% rental ownership, I believe it was in the NYTimes posting or the economist. F@%&! I can’t find the source, you’ll have to dig. But yes, that’s the state Vancouver is getting to. The Elite will own most of the properties.

5. Finally, the The Stuyvesant Town in NYC which has 11,000 rental units. You read it correctly, shit I even have my source (look below)did a strategic default because they used $5.4B of leveraged money — meaning they stiffed someone else — to buy a property that is apparently only valued at $1.8B

Well Intrawest did the very same thing with their Whistler investments, yet you don’t see the property values crashing. It’s someone else’s money that was mal-invested.

Let me give you a hint, if you get a 5% down/35 year CMHC approved loan, and the 5% down is smaller than let’s say the next 2 year’s worth of rental, why do you care if the market crashed? Worst case scenario, if you can’t wait it out till properties recover (and they always do, look at Argentina after their 2001 bond defaults) then you tell the bank to GFY and throw them the keys. You’ll simply be back in a rental and you’ll only be able to eat craft dinners and drive a $200 throw-away car. Forget going to restaurants as you’ll have no credit card for about 1 year!

That’s not a bad price to pay for a failed investment!!hehe

But in all likely hood, it will not happen that way. You’ll just become another disgruntled home owner sweating it out to pay your property taxes like the rest of us as we see our local politicians throwing themselves lavish parties such at the Olympics at tax payer’s expense. That’s it.

God speed renters

http://blogs.wsj.com/developme.....sant-town/

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What happened to greaterfool.ca?

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They didn’t “carve” anything out. It has been a vacant lot waiting for development for years now. At least now they’re using it for something.

Guess what’s slated to be built there? It rhymes with “Rondo”.

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scooters and canes…that is awesome

make sure you load up on defibulators, ensure, and dentures while you are at it…

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B.S. I look at all this free money, and the interest rates offered for my savings, which are well below the rate of inflation, never mind house price inflation, and I ask: why the FUCK am I paying for this ?! I’m young, working hard, trying to raise a family, and we’re just being left behind so that everyone can get cheap financing for shit they can’t afford. Most of these people are older and already “rich”.

I just don’t give a shit anymore. This country can fuck itself. When you can’t save your own country’s money and expect to get anything for it later, a fundamental trust has been broken. What’s the point of working? Seriously, just buy something someone else may want later and get rich. I’m going to buy all the canes and scooters so those baby boomers are fucked.

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A double top is a reversal chart pattern which is defined by a chart where a financial instrument makes a run up to a particular level, then drops back from that level, then makes a second run at that level, and then finally drops back off again.

[edit] Significance for traders
The double top pattern shows demand outpacing supply (buyers predominate) up to the first top, causing prices to rise. The supply/demand situation then reverses; supply outpaces demand (sellers predominate), causing prices to fall. After a price “valley”, buyers again predominate and prices rise. If traders see that prices are not pushing past their level at the first top, sellers may again prevail, lowering prices and causing a double top to form. It is generally regarded as a bearish sign if prices drop below their level at the earlier valley between the two tops.

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“First Garth says RE’s only going down 15%”

15% THIS YEAR Pricedout, only for this year.

Even if that were the entire fall for Canada if all properties fell to an equal level (3.15 median multiples I believe it worked out to) it would mean nearly a two thirds drop in real estate prices here!

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Regarding your request or order for source or base is not really a requirement.Why? Because if you look at 4.5% prediction for economy growth in Vancouver one can easily take it as opinion.

So you or Logic were able to creat an opinion against CB of Canada,You could have use any of the source like un employements,Higher mls listings,Flood of lisings for rents,Lower rents,People are moving out of Vancouver or reverse all the source of information in favour of Vancouver economy growth 2010 that will add the numbers inline with prediction.

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Some assets crash therefore Real Estate will crash is not really compelling CC, in fact it’s not even a logically sound construct.

But ALL asset bubbles crash and Vancouver RE is demonstrably a bubble so it WILL crash works. It might be a little more complicated and the case for proving it’s a bubble takes some work to explain but it’s a logically sound argument and I have never yet seen the bulls come up with a comparatively sound counter-argument.

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Ergo, RE is going to go back down again, as all bubble markets over recorded history have always returned to the mean.

Reading what some peoeple are saying here about how RE is just going to keep going up and will not fall is just like watching the movie “Groundhog Day” over and over……..and, FWIW, it too, ends.

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Truth is like wind and water against the ill designed ‘Arizona style’ facade of a leaking condo. No matter how much plaster on top, the truth finds a way to fuck up the circle jerk.

Nothing that happens in our society is in isolation from everything else. Its all the same problem. The media blitzkrieg has many people confusing the advertising spin with reality. This is not healthy for anyone going forward.

The RE market is never going to be a ‘happy place’ as long as so many elements of our society have to live with a pointy stick in the eye. You don’t have a right to choose who gets to starve and who gets to party and still be comfortable in your isolated bubble.

I had a comment from a girl who has put up a gushy blog about Vancshitzer being ‘the best place on earth’ (VANFAN2010). This deluded dipshit has really been swilling the kool aid. When I posted a list of what was really going on in Vancouver she also wanted the bad news to ‘go away’. It just makes people ‘so uncomfortable’ especially as the happy face she was trying to promote actually has big syphlitic lesions under its cheap threads.

Meanwhile I want to confirm what I heard from a cabbie at at the airport. Vanocstan has cut out all ground transpo companies out of the Oy OY. On the south side of Marine at Boundary they have carved out a huge lot out of the bush along the river and there looks to be thousands of white vehicles sitting there, all with California license plates, painted with the Oy OY logos.The cabbies and all the small business people who thought that they would get some cake are left eating shit.

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Who is going to buy all those houses at today’s prices?

“2-REFI but risk leaving nothing for the kids. Which is why reverse-mortgages are doing so well.”

Leave nothing to the kids? See (1).

“3-let the kid’s family move back with them so that they can pay for the ever-so crazy property taxes.(ALA Japanese style!)Kids will then inherit the house.”

What happens to the dwellings that the kids used to live in?

“4-Let them rot in their homes and slowly but surely Vancouver will become like NYC where only 25% of the top income earners will own 70% of all properties. The rich will get richer and poor,poorer.”

What evidence do you have that 70% of all individually titled properties in NYC are rentals? Ever hear of Archie Bunker?

Why would a rich person, in NYC or anywhere else, want to rent a place out to someone for 1/2 the ownership costs (cash or opportunity)? Does that make the owner richer or poorer?

Oh BTW how come your rationalizations didn’t work south of the border? Including NYC itself?

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