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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2010/01/more-on-boc-housing-market-risk-speech.html#comment-62538</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved this well written article and great website.  Very informative.  Keep up the good work!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-62538&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this well written article and great website.  Very informative.  Keep up the good work!
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-61838&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patriotz&lt;/a&gt;: 

In other words eight people move into a house that used to have just two occupants. 

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There&#039;s a name for that: &#039;Kitsalanofication&#039;.  Funny, it used to be the Russians that didn&#039;t have any single family dwellings.  Seems like we’re headed there now!  What happened?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61864&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-61838" rel="nofollow">patriotz</a>: </p>
<p>In other words eight people move into a house that used to have just two occupants. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a name for that: &#8216;Kitsalanofication&#8217;.  Funny, it used to be the Russians that didn&#8217;t have any single family dwellings.  Seems like we’re headed there now!  What happened?
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scullboy, if you suspect that some posters are fems, they are fems who make good money to think in real estate. After all posting online is anonymous and genderless. Take a chill pill. Marry a rich cougar and all your pecuniary problems solved.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61853&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scullboy, if you suspect that some posters are fems, they are fems who make good money to think in real estate. After all posting online is anonymous and genderless. Take a chill pill. Marry a rich cougar and all your pecuniary problems solved.
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		<title>By: scullboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>scullboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m so happy scullboy is out of town. He’s missing out on a great world event. I’ll think about that bozo when I sit at GM Place watching hockey games while sipping my $7 beer.&quot;

*ahem* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Um, you seem to think about me a *lot* SupraLadyBoy. Admittedly I have that affect on a lot of girly Asian boys. I know, I know.... you&#039;ve heard about virile Maritime men and what we&#039;re swingin&#039; under our kilts.

It&#039;s gotta be tough, you and all your ladyboy friends servicing those fat old Daddy types. That&#039;s how you&#039;re getting into the Olympic events, right? I mean those call center jobs aren&#039;t exactly high paying. Only you and your little girlfriends would be stupid enough to pay 7 bucks for that watered down moose piss. Luckily it only takes .... what.... a shot and a half of the stuff to get you buzzed enough to go on your back for Daddy. I&#039;m sure thoughts of me will be going through your head at the time too.... &quot;Damn that scull boy with his boyish good looks, I&#039;ll be he&#039;s so manly in his kilt and big.... swingin.... sporran....&quot;

And since I&#039;m speaking to one of &#039;em now maybe you can tell me, is your obsession simple jealousy or are you just starvin&#039; for a real man? Is it bitterness over what you can never have? C&#039;mon dude, I&#039;m dyin&#039; to know.

And for the rest of you, yeah admittedly it&#039;s a vulgar post but I had to address Supra&#039;s obsession.... it was getting a little disturbing. 

Those Asian fem boys can be so clingy and they never take &quot;no&quot; for an answer.....&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61840&quot;&gt;-3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m so happy scullboy is out of town. He’s missing out on a great world event. I’ll think about that bozo when I sit at GM Place watching hockey games while sipping my $7 beer.&#8221;</p>
<p>*ahem* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!</p>
<p>Um, you seem to think about me a *lot* SupraLadyBoy. Admittedly I have that affect on a lot of girly Asian boys. I know, I know&#8230;. you&#8217;ve heard about virile Maritime men and what we&#8217;re swingin&#8217; under our kilts.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s gotta be tough, you and all your ladyboy friends servicing those fat old Daddy types. That&#8217;s how you&#8217;re getting into the Olympic events, right? I mean those call center jobs aren&#8217;t exactly high paying. Only you and your little girlfriends would be stupid enough to pay 7 bucks for that watered down moose piss. Luckily it only takes &#8230;. what&#8230;. a shot and a half of the stuff to get you buzzed enough to go on your back for Daddy. I&#8217;m sure thoughts of me will be going through your head at the time too&#8230;. &#8220;Damn that scull boy with his boyish good looks, I&#8217;ll be he&#8217;s so manly in his kilt and big&#8230;. swingin&#8230;. sporran&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>And since I&#8217;m speaking to one of &#8216;em now maybe you can tell me, is your obsession simple jealousy or are you just starvin&#8217; for a real man? Is it bitterness over what you can never have? C&#8217;mon dude, I&#8217;m dyin&#8217; to know.</p>
<p>And for the rest of you, yeah admittedly it&#8217;s a vulgar post but I had to address Supra&#8217;s obsession&#8230;. it was getting a little disturbing. </p>
<p>Those Asian fem boys can be so clingy and they never take &#8220;no&#8221; for an answer&#8230;..
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-61818&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;smartmoney&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;I have an issue with 85% of the current tax revenue of all levels of government going into wages and benefits of civil servants.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That is complete nonsense, the only level of government that spends that kind of money on its own employees (which is what I assume you mean by &quot;civil servants&quot;) is the school boards. Municipalities come next but they have much higher capital costs.

Public sector employees account for 17% of all employment in Canada. But public sector spending is about 35% of GDP. Obviously spending on government employees must be far smaller than you claim. For example:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Of the $223.9 billion in federal spending in 2007, about one-third was dedicated to social security payments, family allowances and income assistance. International activities such as national defense, foreign diplomacy and international assistance totaled 10% of federal spending, as did health care and general purpose transfer payments to other levels of government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
http://www41.statcan.ca/2008/3055/ceb3055_000-eng.htm

Not mentioned above is debt service costs, which by themselves make your 85% figure impossible.

BTW doctors are not government employees, although of course almost all of their income comes from the government. Similarly many other people in the private sector such as construction workers.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61839&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-61818" rel="nofollow">smartmoney</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>I have an issue with 85% of the current tax revenue of all levels of government going into wages and benefits of civil servants.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is complete nonsense, the only level of government that spends that kind of money on its own employees (which is what I assume you mean by &#8220;civil servants&#8221;) is the school boards. Municipalities come next but they have much higher capital costs.</p>
<p>Public sector employees account for 17% of all employment in Canada. But public sector spending is about 35% of GDP. Obviously spending on government employees must be far smaller than you claim. For example:</p>
<blockquote><p>Of the $223.9 billion in federal spending in 2007, about one-third was dedicated to social security payments, family allowances and income assistance. International activities such as national defense, foreign diplomacy and international assistance totaled 10% of federal spending, as did health care and general purpose transfer payments to other levels of government.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www41.statcan.ca/2008/3055/ceb3055_000-eng.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www41.statcan.ca/2008/3.....00-eng.htm</a></p>
<p>Not mentioned above is debt service costs, which by themselves make your 85% figure impossible.</p>
<p>BTW doctors are not government employees, although of course almost all of their income comes from the government. Similarly many other people in the private sector such as construction workers.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-61836&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stagnate&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;the poor ones tend to pool their resources accross a sizeable family grouping. they tend to target the type of product the boomers are downsizing from.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In other words eight people move into a house that used to have just two occupants. Yeah, that&#039;s just the ticket to keep demand up to supply.

;-)&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61838&quot;&gt;11&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-61836" rel="nofollow">stagnate</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>the poor ones tend to pool their resources accross a sizeable family grouping. they tend to target the type of product the boomers are downsizing from.</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words eight people move into a house that used to have just two occupants. Yeah, that&#8217;s just the ticket to keep demand up to supply.</p>
<p> <img src='http://vancouvercondo.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: stagnate</title>
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		<dc:creator>stagnate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mino3: i understand what you are saying, boomer selling is a bearish factor but well down the list. there are already a lot more boomers in downsizing situations than upsizing, but that hasn&#039;t had much bearish effect on the market. locally here there are significant numbers of wealthy immigrants and the poor ones tend to pool their resources accross a sizeable family grouping. they tend to target the type of product the boomers are downsizing from.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61836&quot;&gt;-1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mino3: i understand what you are saying, boomer selling is a bearish factor but well down the list. there are already a lot more boomers in downsizing situations than upsizing, but that hasn&#8217;t had much bearish effect on the market. locally here there are significant numbers of wealthy immigrants and the poor ones tend to pool their resources accross a sizeable family grouping. they tend to target the type of product the boomers are downsizing from.
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		<title>By: oneangryslav2</title>
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		<dc:creator>oneangryslav2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, how many of you would be interested in getting together in person for drinks? We could call it our 1st annual VanConInfConf[erence].

RE bulls and RE bears would be seated at separate tables...just kidding, although Supraboy would have to sit in the corner by himself.

Any interest?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61835&quot;&gt;10&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, how many of you would be interested in getting together in person for drinks? We could call it our 1st annual VanConInfConf[erence].</p>
<p>RE bulls and RE bears would be seated at separate tables&#8230;just kidding, although Supraboy would have to sit in the corner by himself.</p>
<p>Any interest?
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		<title>By: ReadyToPop</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReadyToPop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realtytrac says defaults and repossessions have been running at over 300,000 a month since February. One million American families lost their homes in the fourth quarter. Moody&#039;s Economy.com expects another 2.4m homes to go this year.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/6962632/America-slides-deeper-into-depression-as-Wall-Street-revels.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;America slides deeper into depression as Wall Street revels&lt;/a&gt;

(but we borrow like there&#039;s no tomorrow....RTP)&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61833&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realtytrac says defaults and repossessions have been running at over 300,000 a month since February. One million American families lost their homes in the fourth quarter. Moody&#8217;s Economy.com expects another 2.4m homes to go this year.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/6962632/America-slides-deeper-into-depression-as-Wall-Street-revels.html" rel="nofollow">America slides deeper into depression as Wall Street revels</a></p>
<p>(but we borrow like there&#8217;s no tomorrow&#8230;.RTP)
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		<title>By: VHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>VHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VHB. I remember that guy. Wait, I AM that guy!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61832&quot;&gt;14&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VHB. I remember that guy. Wait, I AM that guy!
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		<title>By: mino3</title>
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		<dc:creator>mino3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been following local blogs since VHB. What does that have to do with anything?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61831&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following local blogs since VHB. What does that have to do with anything?
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-61825&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mino3&lt;/a&gt;: You must be newbie here everyone else knows that Vanman represent bears on the blogs since 2004.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61830&quot;&gt;-2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-61825" rel="nofollow">mino3</a>: You must be newbie here everyone else knows that Vanman represent bears on the blogs since 2004.
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.howestreet.com/articles/index.php?article_id=12131

&quot;This is a very strange time – I&#039;ve never seen anything quite like it – with no good places to be, at least as far as Americans in America are concerned. Maybe Canadians are next – their real estate market hasn&#039;t really collapsed yet. If I still owned property in Canada – I used to live in Vancouver – I&#039;d hit the bid tomorrow morning. The same in Australia, China, and the UK.&quot;&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61829&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>&#8220;This is a very strange time – I&#8217;ve never seen anything quite like it – with no good places to be, at least as far as Americans in America are concerned. Maybe Canadians are next – their real estate market hasn&#8217;t really collapsed yet. If I still owned property in Canada – I used to live in Vancouver – I&#8217;d hit the bid tomorrow morning. The same in Australia, China, and the UK.&#8221;
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		<title>By: gvrdpropertyowner</title>
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		<dc:creator>gvrdpropertyowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-61822&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stagnate&lt;/a&gt;: 25% of British Columbians will be over the age of 65 within twenty years--- and, yes, this statistic accounts for the effect of migration.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61828&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-61822" rel="nofollow">stagnate</a>: 25% of British Columbians will be over the age of 65 within twenty years&#8212; and, yes, this statistic accounts for the effect of migration.
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		<title>By: mino3</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2010/01/more-on-boc-housing-market-risk-speech.html#comment-61827</link>
		<dc:creator>mino3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-61822&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stagnate&lt;/a&gt;: Come on, the immigration argument again? Immigrants are not rich, in fact Canada has a problem of immigrants living off welfare. Here&#039;s a couple links from Google; there are plenty more.

http://global-economics.ca/immigrationquebecontario.htm
http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/statistics.asp

These people are not going to be buy real estate at current valuations from boomers. Not even close.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61827&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-61822" rel="nofollow">stagnate</a>: Come on, the immigration argument again? Immigrants are not rich, in fact Canada has a problem of immigrants living off welfare. Here&#8217;s a couple links from Google; there are plenty more.</p>
<p><a href="http://global-economics.ca/immigrationquebecontario.htm" rel="nofollow">http://global-economics.ca/imm.....ntario.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/statistics.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/statistics.asp</a></p>
<p>These people are not going to be buy real estate at current valuations from boomers. Not even close.
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		<title>By: &#8220;So our absolute best advertising for Vancouver and its real estate is not “Best Place on Earth”, ski and golf in the same day, mountain and ocean view, democracy &#38; human rights, etc. Nope. Our best advertising apparently is people like Lai </title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;So our absolute best advertising for Vancouver and its real estate is not “Best Place on Earth”, ski and golf in the same day, mountain and ocean view, democracy &#38; human rights, etc. Nope. Our best advertising apparently is people like Lai </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from space889 at vancouvercondo.info 13 Jan 2010 10:26 am - “I note more and more Asians here in La Jolla. I’m thinking that in ten years La Jolla will [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61826&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from space889 at vancouvercondo.info 13 Jan 2010 10:26 am &#8211; “I note more and more Asians here in La Jolla. I’m thinking that in ten years La Jolla will [...]
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		<title>By: mino3</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2010/01/more-on-boc-housing-market-risk-speech.html#comment-61825</link>
		<dc:creator>mino3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-61820&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Van Man&lt;/a&gt;: You live in a very simple world. It must be nice. You paid off your house, so most boomers must have too. Some old guy is healthy, so most boomers must be too.

I&#039;ll keep it simple for you: the retirement wave will cause more supply than demand in RE over the next generation. In other words, the fundamentals will worsen. Bad for real estate. Real prices would drop even in a healthy market, but since we&#039;re in a super bubble (locally), they will collapse.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61825&quot;&gt;10&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-61820" rel="nofollow">The Van Man</a>: You live in a very simple world. It must be nice. You paid off your house, so most boomers must have too. Some old guy is healthy, so most boomers must be too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep it simple for you: the retirement wave will cause more supply than demand in RE over the next generation. In other words, the fundamentals will worsen. Bad for real estate. Real prices would drop even in a healthy market, but since we&#8217;re in a super bubble (locally), they will collapse.
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drachen: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Since there will be a record breaking number of people downsizing, moving into old age homes and dying over the next 25 years it IS bound to have an effect on prices&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

There is significant underutilization of SFHs as baby boomers&#039; children leave home. This is backed up by data from the suburbs showing population declines in established (SFH) neighbourhoods.

There are three primary classes of boomers selling: those who want to downsize because they don&#039;t like the extra space, and those who HAVE to downsize because it&#039;s their retirement nest egg or their health deteriorates. We will soon find out who&#039;s been the grasshopper. On average I expect significantly more grasshoppers than buyers.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61823&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drachen: <i>&#8220;Since there will be a record breaking number of people downsizing, moving into old age homes and dying over the next 25 years it IS bound to have an effect on prices&#8221;</i></p>
<p>There is significant underutilization of SFHs as baby boomers&#8217; children leave home. This is backed up by data from the suburbs showing population declines in established (SFH) neighbourhoods.</p>
<p>There are three primary classes of boomers selling: those who want to downsize because they don&#8217;t like the extra space, and those who HAVE to downsize because it&#8217;s their retirement nest egg or their health deteriorates. We will soon find out who&#8217;s been the grasshopper. On average I expect significantly more grasshoppers than buyers.
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		<title>By: stagnate</title>
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		<dc:creator>stagnate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the boomer effect is more pertinent in markets where there is little or no immigration. i wouldn&#039;t expect it to be a big factor here. garth turner- for entertainment purposes only. has been wrong too many times to be taken seriously.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61822&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the boomer effect is more pertinent in markets where there is little or no immigration. i wouldn&#8217;t expect it to be a big factor here. garth turner- for entertainment purposes only. has been wrong too many times to be taken seriously.
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		<title>By: Supraboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supraboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realized here that people here are very negative and hoping for a crash. The bears here are constantly covering their ears to good news and only hope for bad news. What&#039;s wrong with seeing your next door neighbors get rich? Life sucks so live with it. I see so many cheerleaders hoping for a raise in interest rates. You guys are so stupid. The fed has been talking about raising rates but they have no balls to do it because they know there will be an economic meltdown. This &#039;raise rates&#039; talk has been going on for ages and it ain&#039;t happening boys and girls. Get with the program. The fed will do what it takes to prop up the economy. Unemployment rate is stabilizing, money is all over the place. Just look at the olympics, people can fork out thousands for tickets. It goes to show that the economic stimulus is working or who the hell would pull out all that cash to watch the olympics? 

I&#039;m so happy scullboy is out of town. He&#039;s missing out on a great world event. I&#039;ll think about that bozo when I sit at GM Place watching hockey games while sipping my $7 beer.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61821&quot;&gt;-10&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realized here that people here are very negative and hoping for a crash. The bears here are constantly covering their ears to good news and only hope for bad news. What&#8217;s wrong with seeing your next door neighbors get rich? Life sucks so live with it. I see so many cheerleaders hoping for a raise in interest rates. You guys are so stupid. The fed has been talking about raising rates but they have no balls to do it because they know there will be an economic meltdown. This &#8216;raise rates&#8217; talk has been going on for ages and it ain&#8217;t happening boys and girls. Get with the program. The fed will do what it takes to prop up the economy. Unemployment rate is stabilizing, money is all over the place. Just look at the olympics, people can fork out thousands for tickets. It goes to show that the economic stimulus is working or who the hell would pull out all that cash to watch the olympics? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so happy scullboy is out of town. He&#8217;s missing out on a great world event. I&#8217;ll think about that bozo when I sit at GM Place watching hockey games while sipping my $7 beer.
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		<title>By: The Van Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Van Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even in the most expensive town that we live in (Vancouver, BC), AS LONG AS you have your home paid off, you CAN survive with minimum wage.  Which is why there are boomers who work as Wal-Mart greeters, MCDs, etc...  To say that boomers will sell in droves when they are 65s is a bit too far fetched.  Mr. Garth Turner was well known to sell this idea in the 1990s through his then Turner&#039;s Report and his Millennium TV outlet.  I did miss the cute East Indian chick that hosted that show though.

If 60% of the boomers had their homes paid off, which I suspect they do in Vancouver (ours were years ago), this means they won&#039;t be selling.  Boomers are healthier than ever -- people still exercise.  The current extreme ultra-runner record holder in British Columbia is held by a 65 year old man!  Ultra-running is like running over 42KM.  You folks here can run more than 50miles continuously?!?

So they are not dropping dead. 

What will be causing the downfall of the real estate market is the shift to another asset class.  The reason why RE went hot was due to the dot.com bust -- eg Nasdaq is still below 5000 for a decade!  Once an asset class is identified, bubble will form and you&#039;ll see a shift from RE asset to that.  And then, there&#039;s no turning back.  Other factors like interest rate hikes and so forth are just the medium.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61820&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even in the most expensive town that we live in (Vancouver, BC), AS LONG AS you have your home paid off, you CAN survive with minimum wage.  Which is why there are boomers who work as Wal-Mart greeters, MCDs, etc&#8230;  To say that boomers will sell in droves when they are 65s is a bit too far fetched.  Mr. Garth Turner was well known to sell this idea in the 1990s through his then Turner&#8217;s Report and his Millennium TV outlet.  I did miss the cute East Indian chick that hosted that show though.</p>
<p>If 60% of the boomers had their homes paid off, which I suspect they do in Vancouver (ours were years ago), this means they won&#8217;t be selling.  Boomers are healthier than ever &#8212; people still exercise.  The current extreme ultra-runner record holder in British Columbia is held by a 65 year old man!  Ultra-running is like running over 42KM.  You folks here can run more than 50miles continuously?!?</p>
<p>So they are not dropping dead. </p>
<p>What will be causing the downfall of the real estate market is the shift to another asset class.  The reason why RE went hot was due to the dot.com bust &#8212; eg Nasdaq is still below 5000 for a decade!  Once an asset class is identified, bubble will form and you&#8217;ll see a shift from RE asset to that.  And then, there&#8217;s no turning back.  Other factors like interest rate hikes and so forth are just the medium.
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		<title>By: taylor192</title>
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		<dc:creator>taylor192</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Drachen

Not the place for politics? We are talking about economic policy right?

Pointed out some reasons they&#039;ll dip further in the polls? Please tell me you&#039;re not an Iggy supporter and believe the hype. Harper pulled this stunt before, and the sheeple forgot all about it. 

My conservative roommate is part of that 10% dip in the polls... yet do I really think he&#039;ll ever vote for the left? Ya right, hell will freeze over first.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61819&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Not the place for politics? We are talking about economic policy right?</p>
<p>Pointed out some reasons they&#8217;ll dip further in the polls? Please tell me you&#8217;re not an Iggy supporter and believe the hype. Harper pulled this stunt before, and the sheeple forgot all about it. </p>
<p>My conservative roommate is part of that 10% dip in the polls&#8230; yet do I really think he&#8217;ll ever vote for the left? Ya right, hell will freeze over first.
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		<title>By: smartmoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>smartmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 03:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30 Drachen, I have an issue with 85% of the current tax revenue of all levels of government going into wages and benefits of civil servants. That definatley is not the issue at all with what is going on south of the border. Your knee must have jerked up and smacked you upside the head.

Instead of schoolbooks we have indexed diamond studded pensions, what is right about that? 

Instead of an audit on competancy we have the BCTF trying to negotiate a moratorium on testing, why?

Instead od reduceing the fat we have unions agitating for bigger concessions from the minority government for support, why?

When the tax revenue needed for hospitals and seniors gets 100% siphoned off the greedy socialist unions and you&#039;re personal tax bite go&#039;s from 70% to 100%, then I suspect thosse who support the staus quo will shake themselves off and say

&quot;Wha hoppen man, don&#039;t bogart that joint dude&quot;.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61818&quot;&gt;-3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30 Drachen, I have an issue with 85% of the current tax revenue of all levels of government going into wages and benefits of civil servants. That definatley is not the issue at all with what is going on south of the border. Your knee must have jerked up and smacked you upside the head.</p>
<p>Instead of schoolbooks we have indexed diamond studded pensions, what is right about that? </p>
<p>Instead of an audit on competancy we have the BCTF trying to negotiate a moratorium on testing, why?</p>
<p>Instead od reduceing the fat we have unions agitating for bigger concessions from the minority government for support, why?</p>
<p>When the tax revenue needed for hospitals and seniors gets 100% siphoned off the greedy socialist unions and you&#8217;re personal tax bite go&#8217;s from 70% to 100%, then I suspect thosse who support the staus quo will shake themselves off and say</p>
<p>&#8220;Wha hoppen man, don&#8217;t bogart that joint dude&#8221;.
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		<title>By: DEFAULT NAME</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFAULT NAME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-61813&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Drachen&lt;/a&gt;: 

I beleive the book was titled: &quot;Boom, Bust and Echo&quot;&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61816&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-61813" rel="nofollow">Drachen</a>: </p>
<p>I beleive the book was titled: &#8220;Boom, Bust and Echo&#8221;
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah well, this isn&#039;t really the place for politics, but there&#039;s a pretty huge difference between &quot;They&#039;re way ahead in the polls.&quot; and &quot;They&#039;re ahead by less than the margin of error in the polls but &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; think they&#039;ll recover soon in spite of the fact that I just pointed out some reasons why they&#039;ll sink further in the polls, oh and I forgot to mention I don&#039;t really know anything about politics.&quot;  (Which is paraphrasing your new amended version of your original statement and adding some personal observation)&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-61815&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah well, this isn&#8217;t really the place for politics, but there&#8217;s a pretty huge difference between &#8220;They&#8217;re way ahead in the polls.&#8221; and &#8220;They&#8217;re ahead by less than the margin of error in the polls but <b>I</b> think they&#8217;ll recover soon in spite of the fact that I just pointed out some reasons why they&#8217;ll sink further in the polls, oh and I forgot to mention I don&#8217;t really know anything about politics.&#8221;  (Which is paraphrasing your new amended version of your original statement and adding some personal observation)
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