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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63652&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Starving Artist&lt;/a&gt;:  
 
I know what you were going for but &quot;doth&quot; is third person singular, &quot;bulls &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt;&quot; in old English, &quot;a bull &lt;b&gt;doth&lt;/b&gt;&quot;. 
 
Now watch the slings and arrows of outrageous grammar hounds hit me from all angles for calling someone on old English grammar while messing up modern English.   :) &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63665&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63652" rel="nofollow">Starving Artist</a>: </p>
<p>I know what you were going for but &quot;doth&quot; is third person singular, &quot;bulls <b>do</b>&quot; in old English, &quot;a bull <b>doth</b>&quot;.</p>
<p>Now watch the slings and arrows of outrageous grammar hounds hit me from all angles for calling someone on old English grammar while messing up modern English.   <img src='http://vancouvercondo.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63629&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;arit&lt;/a&gt;:  
&lt;blockquote&gt;&#8221; Keeping foreclosures off the market by the banks&#8221; 
 
Is a method used by US banks to prevent prices from falling. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Aside from the fact that it doesn&#039;t work (at pointed out above), banks in Canada have no financial incentive to keep prices from falling, as CMHC is guaranteeing the principal. Their incentive is to foreclose and sell as quickly as possible, to get their money back. Any program to keep houses off the market would have to be paid for by CMHC, and that would ultimately jeopardize the Feds&#039; credit rating, as I have pointed out. And that truly would be the nightmare scenario. 
 
Frankly I think the Cons are not going to go a damn thing about the bust, just as governments did not do a damn thing about the Ontario bust of the 90&#039;s and the BC/Alberta bust of the 80&#039;s - and for those who weren&#039;t around for them, those were major upheavals. It&#039;s politically and fiscally cheapest simply to deny there is a problem, as indeed they are already doing. Recall again that the Con&#039;s support is based in rural areas which would be antagonized by efforts to bail out urban homedebtors. Also any bailout program would be seen in Quebec as punishing them for the sins of the Anglos, and the Cons learned an expensive lesson last election to tread lightly there. 
 
&lt;b&gt;All&lt;/b&gt; of the homedebtor &quot;bailout&quot; programs in the US are really to the benefit of the banks and the banks in Canada already have their bailout. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63654&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63629" rel="nofollow">arit</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>&rdquo; Keeping foreclosures off the market by the banks&rdquo;</p>
<p>Is a method used by US banks to prevent prices from falling. </p></blockquote>
<p>Aside from the fact that it doesn&#039;t work (at pointed out above), banks in Canada have no financial incentive to keep prices from falling, as CMHC is guaranteeing the principal. Their incentive is to foreclose and sell as quickly as possible, to get their money back. Any program to keep houses off the market would have to be paid for by CMHC, and that would ultimately jeopardize the Feds&#039; credit rating, as I have pointed out. And that truly would be the nightmare scenario.</p>
<p>Frankly I think the Cons are not going to go a damn thing about the bust, just as governments did not do a damn thing about the Ontario bust of the 90&#039;s and the BC/Alberta bust of the 80&#039;s &#8211; and for those who weren&#039;t around for them, those were major upheavals. It&#039;s politically and fiscally cheapest simply to deny there is a problem, as indeed they are already doing. Recall again that the Con&#039;s support is based in rural areas which would be antagonized by efforts to bail out urban homedebtors. Also any bailout program would be seen in Quebec as punishing them for the sins of the Anglos, and the Cons learned an expensive lesson last election to tread lightly there.</p>
<p><b>All</b> of the homedebtor &quot;bailout&quot; programs in the US are really to the benefit of the banks and the banks in Canada already have their bailout.
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		<title>By: Starving Artist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starving Artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methinks the bulls doth protest too much. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63652&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks the bulls doth protest too much.
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		<title>By: domus</title>
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		<dc:creator>domus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I liked Patriot&#039;s doctor Strangelove reference as well. 

&quot;Flaherty has decided to ride this bomb all the way down to ground zero. Hold on to your hats.&quot;

Like in the famous Kubrick mvie of 1964, I can imagine Flaherty riding an atomic bomb just dropped from a plane, with a cowboy hat on!

This market is going to implode so hard that it will be fun to watch.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63615&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I liked Patriot&#8217;s doctor Strangelove reference as well. </p>
<p>&#8220;Flaherty has decided to ride this bomb all the way down to ground zero. Hold on to your hats.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like in the famous Kubrick mvie of 1964, I can imagine Flaherty riding an atomic bomb just dropped from a plane, with a cowboy hat on!</p>
<p>This market is going to implode so hard that it will be fun to watch.
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		<title>By: VRNGD</title>
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		<dc:creator>VRNGD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;HOUSING STATS&lt;/b&gt; are moving up from the &lt;b&gt;MIND BLOWING&lt;/b&gt; success of CANADIAN REAL ESTATE,Developers are in need of &lt;b&gt;MORE shipments,MORE trucks &lt;/b&gt; to haul construction material.Oil prices start moving up to fuel the pick up of &lt;b&gt;inflection point&lt;/b&gt; beyond January 2010.Gauge will be countinue in process to assist &lt;b&gt;Vancouver Boom2.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63650&quot;&gt;-6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>HOUSING STATS</b> are moving up from the <b>MIND BLOWING</b> success of CANADIAN REAL ESTATE,Developers are in need of <b>MORE shipments,MORE trucks </b> to haul construction material.Oil prices start moving up to fuel the pick up of <b>inflection point</b> beyond January 2010.Gauge will be countinue in process to assist <b>Vancouver Boom2.</b>
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		<title>By: domus</title>
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		<dc:creator>domus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some more about the fight between Realtors Inc. and the competition Bureau: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/mls-challenge-could-change-the-way-houses-are-sold/article1460839/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business...&lt;/a&gt;  
 
Before the 2007 changes, some discount brokers offered to list homes on MLS for a fee, typically less than $700. The homeowner then handled the sale. 
 
The CREA changes required all agents to inspect homes before listing them on the MLS and work with other agents throughout the sale. As a result, discount brokers say they could no longer offer their low-fee services and had to charge more to carry out the various CREA requirements. 
 
Mr. Neil, for example, charges customers $299 to list their home on MLS, plus $79 for each week the house is listed. When the house is sold, he charges a fee of 0.25 per cent of the sale price. Mr. Neil said if the bureau wins its case, he would likely lower his fees and change his services. 
 
&#8220;We would offer probably a sort of &#224; la carte -type menu of services; if [customers] want them they can pay for them,&#8221; he said. He also believes several American online services would expand into Canada. 
 
&#8220;The consumer demand is phenomenal for this service,&#8221; added Donald Hewie, a real-estate agent in Ottawa who has also been pushing for changes. &#8220;This could be the beginning of the end for CREA.&#8221;  
 
 
Imagine: 
Lower fees + 
No CHMC  = 
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Huge savings for consumers! &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63649&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some more about the fight between Realtors Inc. and the competition Bureau:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/mls-challenge-could-change-the-way-houses-are-sold/article1460839/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>Before the 2007 changes, some discount brokers offered to list homes on MLS for a fee, typically less than $700. The homeowner then handled the sale.</p>
<p>The CREA changes required all agents to inspect homes before listing them on the MLS and work with other agents throughout the sale. As a result, discount brokers say they could no longer offer their low-fee services and had to charge more to carry out the various CREA requirements.</p>
<p>Mr. Neil, for example, charges customers $299 to list their home on MLS, plus $79 for each week the house is listed. When the house is sold, he charges a fee of 0.25 per cent of the sale price. Mr. Neil said if the bureau wins its case, he would likely lower his fees and change his services.</p>
<p>&ldquo;We would offer probably a sort of &agrave; la carte -type menu of services; if [customers] want them they can pay for them,&rdquo; he said. He also believes several American online services would expand into Canada.</p>
<p>&ldquo;The consumer demand is phenomenal for this service,&rdquo; added Donald Hewie, a real-estate agent in Ottawa who has also been pushing for changes. &ldquo;This could be the beginning of the end for CREA.&rdquo; </p>
<p>Imagine:</p>
<p>Lower fees +</p>
<p>No CHMC  =</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Huge savings for consumers!
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		<title>By: logic</title>
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		<dc:creator>logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have a hunch&quot; that Van RE is fucked.  According to Dave, this is now gospel. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63648&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I have a hunch&quot; that Van RE is fucked.  According to Dave, this is now gospel.
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		<title>By: ReductiMat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReductiMat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63645&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Phil&lt;/a&gt;: There is no law that would force their hand either way.  It&#039;s up to them.  Any type of answer would be pure conjecture. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63647&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63645" rel="nofollow">Phil</a>: There is no law that would force their hand either way.  It&#039;s up to them.  Any type of answer would be pure conjecture.
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		<title>By: VRNGD</title>
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		<dc:creator>VRNGD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Conservatives hold lead: poll &lt;/b&gt; 
because vrengd. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63646&quot;&gt;-3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Conservatives hold lead: poll </b></p>
<p>because vrengd.
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the fed budget introduced changes to mortgages, when would they be effective? Immediately? &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63645&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the fed budget introduced changes to mortgages, when would they be effective? Immediately?
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