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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2010/02/big-banks-urge-tighter-mortgage-rules.html#comment-63665</link>
		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63652&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Starving Artist&lt;/a&gt;: 

I know what you were going for but &quot;doth&quot; is third person singular, &quot;bulls &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt;&quot; in old English, &quot;a bull &lt;b&gt;doth&lt;/b&gt;&quot;.

Now watch the slings and arrows of outrageous grammar hounds hit me from all angles for calling someone on old English grammar while messing up modern English.   :)&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63665&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63652" rel="nofollow">Starving Artist</a>: </p>
<p>I know what you were going for but &#8220;doth&#8221; is third person singular, &#8220;bulls <b>do</b>&#8221; in old English, &#8220;a bull <b>doth</b>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Now watch the slings and arrows of outrageous grammar hounds hit me from all angles for calling someone on old English grammar while messing up modern English.   <img src='http://vancouvercondo.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63629&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;arit&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;” Keeping foreclosures off the market by the banks”

Is a method used by US banks to prevent prices from falling. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Aside from the fact that it doesn&#039;t work (at pointed out above), banks in Canada have no financial incentive to keep prices from falling, as CMHC is guaranteeing the principal. Their incentive is to foreclose and sell as quickly as possible, to get their money back. Any program to keep houses off the market would have to be paid for by CMHC, and that would ultimately jeopardize the Feds&#039; credit rating, as I have pointed out. And that truly would be the nightmare scenario.

Frankly I think the Cons are not going to go a damn thing about the bust, just as governments did not do a damn thing about the Ontario bust of the 90&#039;s and the BC/Alberta bust of the 80&#039;s - and for those who weren&#039;t around for them, those were major upheavals. It&#039;s politically and fiscally cheapest simply to deny there is a problem, as indeed they are already doing. Recall again that the Con&#039;s support is based in rural areas which would be antagonized by efforts to bail out urban homedebtors. Also any bailout program would be seen in Quebec as punishing them for the sins of the Anglos, and the Cons learned an expensive lesson last election to tread lightly there.

&lt;b&gt;All&lt;/b&gt; of the homedebtor &quot;bailout&quot; programs in the US are really to the benefit of the banks and the banks in Canada already have their bailout.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63654&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63629" rel="nofollow">arit</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>” Keeping foreclosures off the market by the banks”</p>
<p>Is a method used by US banks to prevent prices from falling. </p></blockquote>
<p>Aside from the fact that it doesn&#8217;t work (at pointed out above), banks in Canada have no financial incentive to keep prices from falling, as CMHC is guaranteeing the principal. Their incentive is to foreclose and sell as quickly as possible, to get their money back. Any program to keep houses off the market would have to be paid for by CMHC, and that would ultimately jeopardize the Feds&#8217; credit rating, as I have pointed out. And that truly would be the nightmare scenario.</p>
<p>Frankly I think the Cons are not going to go a damn thing about the bust, just as governments did not do a damn thing about the Ontario bust of the 90&#8242;s and the BC/Alberta bust of the 80&#8242;s &#8211; and for those who weren&#8217;t around for them, those were major upheavals. It&#8217;s politically and fiscally cheapest simply to deny there is a problem, as indeed they are already doing. Recall again that the Con&#8217;s support is based in rural areas which would be antagonized by efforts to bail out urban homedebtors. Also any bailout program would be seen in Quebec as punishing them for the sins of the Anglos, and the Cons learned an expensive lesson last election to tread lightly there.</p>
<p><b>All</b> of the homedebtor &#8220;bailout&#8221; programs in the US are really to the benefit of the banks and the banks in Canada already have their bailout.
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		<title>By: Starving Artist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starving Artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Methinks the bulls doth protest too much.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63652&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methinks the bulls doth protest too much.
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		<title>By: VRNGD</title>
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		<dc:creator>VRNGD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;HOUSING STATS&lt;/b&gt; are moving up from the &lt;b&gt;MIND BLOWING&lt;/b&gt; success of CANADIAN REAL ESTATE,Developers are in need of &lt;b&gt;MORE shipments,MORE trucks &lt;/b&gt; to haul construction material.Oil prices start moving up to fuel the pick up of &lt;b&gt;inflection point&lt;/b&gt; beyond January 2010.Gauge will be countinue in process to assist &lt;b&gt;Vancouver Boom2.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63650&quot;&gt;-6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>HOUSING STATS</b> are moving up from the <b>MIND BLOWING</b> success of CANADIAN REAL ESTATE,Developers are in need of <b>MORE shipments,MORE trucks </b> to haul construction material.Oil prices start moving up to fuel the pick up of <b>inflection point</b> beyond January 2010.Gauge will be countinue in process to assist <b>Vancouver Boom2.</b>
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		<title>By: domus</title>
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		<dc:creator>domus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some more about the fight between Realtors Inc. and the competition Bureau:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/mls-challenge-could-change-the-way-houses-are-sold/article1460839/

Before the 2007 changes, some discount brokers offered to list homes on MLS for a fee, typically less than $700. The homeowner then handled the sale.

The CREA changes required all agents to inspect homes before listing them on the MLS and work with other agents throughout the sale. As a result, discount brokers say they could no longer offer their low-fee services and had to charge more to carry out the various CREA requirements.

Mr. Neil, for example, charges customers $299 to list their home on MLS, plus $79 for each week the house is listed. When the house is sold, he charges a fee of 0.25 per cent of the sale price. Mr. Neil said if the bureau wins its case, he would likely lower his fees and change his services.

“We would offer probably a sort of à la carte -type menu of services; if [customers] want them they can pay for them,” he said. He also believes several American online services would expand into Canada.

“The consumer demand is phenomenal for this service,” added Donald Hewie, a real-estate agent in Ottawa who has also been pushing for changes. “This could be the beginning of the end for CREA.” 


Imagine:
Lower fees +
No CHMC  =
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Huge savings for consumers!&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63649&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some more about the fight between Realtors Inc. and the competition Bureau:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/mls-challenge-could-change-the-way-houses-are-sold/article1460839/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....le1460839/</a></p>
<p>Before the 2007 changes, some discount brokers offered to list homes on MLS for a fee, typically less than $700. The homeowner then handled the sale.</p>
<p>The CREA changes required all agents to inspect homes before listing them on the MLS and work with other agents throughout the sale. As a result, discount brokers say they could no longer offer their low-fee services and had to charge more to carry out the various CREA requirements.</p>
<p>Mr. Neil, for example, charges customers $299 to list their home on MLS, plus $79 for each week the house is listed. When the house is sold, he charges a fee of 0.25 per cent of the sale price. Mr. Neil said if the bureau wins its case, he would likely lower his fees and change his services.</p>
<p>“We would offer probably a sort of à la carte -type menu of services; if [customers] want them they can pay for them,” he said. He also believes several American online services would expand into Canada.</p>
<p>“The consumer demand is phenomenal for this service,” added Donald Hewie, a real-estate agent in Ottawa who has also been pushing for changes. “This could be the beginning of the end for CREA.” </p>
<p>Imagine:<br />
Lower fees +<br />
No CHMC  =<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Huge savings for consumers!
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		<title>By: logic</title>
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		<dc:creator>logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have a hunch&quot; that Van RE is fucked.  According to Dave, this is now gospel.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63648&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have a hunch&#8221; that Van RE is fucked.  According to Dave, this is now gospel.
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		<title>By: ReductiMat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReductiMat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63645&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Phil&lt;/a&gt;: There is no law that would force their hand either way.  It&#039;s up to them.  Any type of answer would be pure conjecture.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63647&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63645" rel="nofollow">Phil</a>: There is no law that would force their hand either way.  It&#8217;s up to them.  Any type of answer would be pure conjecture.
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		<title>By: VRNGD</title>
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		<dc:creator>VRNGD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Conservatives hold lead: poll &lt;/b&gt;
because vrengd.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63646&quot;&gt;-3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Conservatives hold lead: poll </b><br />
because vrengd.
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the fed budget introduced changes to mortgages, when would they be effective? Immediately?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63645&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the fed budget introduced changes to mortgages, when would they be effective? Immediately?
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63643&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dave&lt;/a&gt;: 

&quot;...is believed by some...&quot;

Those are excellent weasel words.  You might as well throw away the whole argument if your whole evidence lies in the belief of a few.

It&#039;s &lt;i&gt;believed by some&lt;/i&gt; that aliens landed at Roswell Dave.  Utterly useless.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63644&quot;&gt;12&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63643" rel="nofollow">Dave</a>: </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;is believed by some&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Those are excellent weasel words.  You might as well throw away the whole argument if your whole evidence lies in the belief of a few.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s <i>believed by some</i> that aliens landed at Roswell Dave.  Utterly useless.
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63642&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ReductiMat&lt;/a&gt;: 

Whistler is believed by some to be counter-cyclic.  Sales have dropped due to the US recession and housing market.  It&#039;s neither good or bad that sales have been from Vancouver.  I have a hunch that number will be dropping.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63643&quot;&gt;-11&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63642" rel="nofollow">ReductiMat</a>: </p>
<p>Whistler is believed by some to be counter-cyclic.  Sales have dropped due to the US recession and housing market.  It&#8217;s neither good or bad that sales have been from Vancouver.  I have a hunch that number will be dropping.
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		<title>By: ReductiMat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReductiMat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I hear you.  People will finally hear about the backwater hill known as Whistler.

Speaking of which, any idea why sales volumes has halved two years in a row there?  And is it a good thing or a bad thing that in 2009, 75% of all sales were to Lower Mainland-ites?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63642&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I hear you.  People will finally hear about the backwater hill known as Whistler.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, any idea why sales volumes has halved two years in a row there?  And is it a good thing or a bad thing that in 2009, 75% of all sales were to Lower Mainland-ites?
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		<title>By: Betamax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betamax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#74 realpaul - best post I&#039;ve read in a long while. Well said.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63641&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#74 realpaul &#8211; best post I&#8217;ve read in a long while. Well said.
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		<title>By: pricedoutfornow</title>
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		<dc:creator>pricedoutfornow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63638&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vansanity&lt;/a&gt;: 

Good point. Flaherty can deny there&#039;s a &quot;housing bubble in Canada&quot; since median prices are only $300kish. However, I think we all know that housing bubble in Vancouver is a reality, and perhaps he would not deny that.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63639&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63638" rel="nofollow">Vansanity</a>: </p>
<p>Good point. Flaherty can deny there&#8217;s a &#8220;housing bubble in Canada&#8221; since median prices are only $300kish. However, I think we all know that housing bubble in Vancouver is a reality, and perhaps he would not deny that.
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		<title>By: Vansanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vansanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep hearing the term the &quot;Canadian Housing Market&quot;. Is there such a thing?

I recall hearing story after story about the US Housing Market and how strong it was and how it had no bubble. Meanwhile bloggers like most the bears on here saying that there is no US housing market, rather each pocket in the US is its own market. Well we all know how that went down. Once again the blogger&#039;s were right. 

So, sure there&#039;s no Canadian Housing Market bubble, because there&#039;s no such market. But there is a Vancouver RE Bubble, n&#039;est pa?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63638&quot;&gt;7&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing the term the &#8220;Canadian Housing Market&#8221;. Is there such a thing?</p>
<p>I recall hearing story after story about the US Housing Market and how strong it was and how it had no bubble. Meanwhile bloggers like most the bears on here saying that there is no US housing market, rather each pocket in the US is its own market. Well we all know how that went down. Once again the blogger&#8217;s were right. </p>
<p>So, sure there&#8217;s no Canadian Housing Market bubble, because there&#8217;s no such market. But there is a Vancouver RE Bubble, n&#8217;est pa?
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63635&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Disbelief&lt;/a&gt;: 

The Lower Mainland.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63637&quot;&gt;-6&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>The Lower Mainland.
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63634&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;logic&lt;/a&gt;: 

They aren&#039;t just developers.  That is only part of their business. I looked at their financials back in 2005 and thought their balance sheet was pretty sketchy and that was during the boom years.  Their debt levels and obligations have always been relatively high.  From what I recall, the only thing that kept them from going bankrupt for the last number of years was their ability to sell off/develop land assets. The market correction and difficulty is obtaining capital was the nail in their coffin.  

Developers and development are a different game altogether.  

In any case, how does the health of Intrawest relate to Whistler being a premium market?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63636&quot;&gt;-10&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63634" rel="nofollow">logic</a>: </p>
<p>They aren&#8217;t just developers.  That is only part of their business. I looked at their financials back in 2005 and thought their balance sheet was pretty sketchy and that was during the boom years.  Their debt levels and obligations have always been relatively high.  From what I recall, the only thing that kept them from going bankrupt for the last number of years was their ability to sell off/develop land assets. The market correction and difficulty is obtaining capital was the nail in their coffin.  </p>
<p>Developers and development are a different game altogether.  </p>
<p>In any case, how does the health of Intrawest relate to Whistler being a premium market?
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		<title>By: Disbelief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disbelief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we&#039;ll have to wait and see. What about the poor stupid schmucks that would buy in at $200k in the valley where are they from???&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63635&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we&#8217;ll have to wait and see. What about the poor stupid schmucks that would buy in at $200k in the valley where are they from???
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		<title>By: logic</title>
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		<dc:creator>logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whistler is unique and is a premium market&quot;
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Which is why Intrawest (developers) went bankrupt, hey?  Start speaking sense or STFU Dave.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63634&quot;&gt;7&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whistler is unique and is a premium market&#8221;<br />
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Which is why Intrawest (developers) went bankrupt, hey?  Start speaking sense or STFU Dave.
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://vancouvercondo.info/2010/02/big-banks-urge-tighter-mortgage-rules.html#comment-63633</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63630&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Disbelief&lt;/a&gt;: 

All of the above.  Money isn&#039;t a barrier to everybody.  Whistler is unique and is a premium market.  A lot of people who will attend the Olympics come from a demographic with lots of money.  Real estate prices are sometimes a secondary issue.  People will spend a million or two and might only use their place for a week a year (if at all).  

Squamish and Pemberton will also appeal to a different demographic.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63633&quot;&gt;-10&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63630" rel="nofollow">Disbelief</a>: </p>
<p>All of the above.  Money isn&#8217;t a barrier to everybody.  Whistler is unique and is a premium market.  A lot of people who will attend the Olympics come from a demographic with lots of money.  Real estate prices are sometimes a secondary issue.  People will spend a million or two and might only use their place for a week a year (if at all).  </p>
<p>Squamish and Pemberton will also appeal to a different demographic.
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63624&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Drachen&lt;/a&gt;: 

Nah.  Things are good.  The future looks good.  At least that&#039;s the case from my little perch.

If I&#039;m wrong, then you can bail me out.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63632&quot;&gt;-11&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63624" rel="nofollow">Drachen</a>: </p>
<p>Nah.  Things are good.  The future looks good.  At least that&#8217;s the case from my little perch.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m wrong, then you can bail me out.
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63629&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;arit&lt;/a&gt;: 

Well then if it&#039;s proven ineffective at propping up prices and only slows down the fall (at best) in the states why would it have a different impact here?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63631&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63629" rel="nofollow">arit</a>: </p>
<p>Well then if it&#8217;s proven ineffective at propping up prices and only slows down the fall (at best) in the states why would it have a different impact here?
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		<title>By: Disbelief</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disbelief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow a $1.18 million home in Cloverhole on a small lot.  The crack out there must be powerful or maybe there smoking horseshit out there. If that doesn&#039;t spell bubble I cannot imagine what does.  
  Dave seems to be speaking out both sides of his mouth. Are these rich Europeans buying a $200k condo in the valley or a piece of recreational property in Squamish or Pemberton maybe.  They are two very different animals one is possible the other is doubtful.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63630&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow a $1.18 million home in Cloverhole on a small lot.  The crack out there must be powerful or maybe there smoking horseshit out there. If that doesn&#8217;t spell bubble I cannot imagine what does.<br />
  Dave seems to be speaking out both sides of his mouth. Are these rich Europeans buying a $200k condo in the valley or a piece of recreational property in Squamish or Pemberton maybe.  They are two very different animals one is possible the other is doubtful.
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		<title>By: arit</title>
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		<dc:creator>arit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Drachen

Mortgage Moratorium means whatever you define it to be:

It can be this:

&quot;A method for creating a moratorium period for a mortgage, comprising the following the steps: creating an equity loan amount to be loaned based upon the value of a mortgagee&#039;s property; determining the monthly payment on the loan; determining a period of months which the mortgagee desires to avoid personally making monthly payments; placing a portion of the loan amount equal to the monthly payments for the desired period of months into a fund; and making the monthly payments for the predetermined period from the fund.

Read more: http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080255985#ixzz0f0Sl2qjH


Or any other method for postponing a foreclosure.


&quot; Keeping foreclosures off the market by the banks&quot;

Is a method used by US banks to prevent prices from falling. They artificially hold the foreclsed home to avoid price depreciation. Like crashing eggs and tomatoes during the GD.

Regards

arit&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63629&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Drachen</p>
<p>Mortgage Moratorium means whatever you define it to be:</p>
<p>It can be this:</p>
<p>&#8220;A method for creating a moratorium period for a mortgage, comprising the following the steps: creating an equity loan amount to be loaned based upon the value of a mortgagee&#8217;s property; determining the monthly payment on the loan; determining a period of months which the mortgagee desires to avoid personally making monthly payments; placing a portion of the loan amount equal to the monthly payments for the desired period of months into a fund; and making the monthly payments for the predetermined period from the fund.</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080255985#ixzz0f0Sl2qjH" rel="nofollow">http://www.faqs.org/patents/ap.....z0f0Sl2qjH</a></p>
<p>Or any other method for postponing a foreclosure.</p>
<p>&#8221; Keeping foreclosures off the market by the banks&#8221;</p>
<p>Is a method used by US banks to prevent prices from falling. They artificially hold the foreclsed home to avoid price depreciation. Like crashing eggs and tomatoes during the GD.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>arit
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drachen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63626&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;arit&lt;/a&gt;: 

&quot;1. First home buyer tax credit.
2. Second home buyer tax credit.&quot;

Will only have a maximum effect of increasing market levels to the amount saved.

&quot;3. Mortgage moratorium.&quot;

What does that mean?

&quot;4. Home-owner bailout plan, refinances plan paid by taxpayer.&quot;

Won&#039;t keep prices afloat, just keeps them from falling too fast.

&quot;5. Keeping foreclosures of the market by the banks.&quot;

What?

&quot;6. Return to 0/40.&quot;

Minimal impact, maybe draw things out &#039;till next year at best.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63628&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-63626" rel="nofollow">arit</a>: </p>
<p>&#8220;1. First home buyer tax credit.<br />
2. Second home buyer tax credit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Will only have a maximum effect of increasing market levels to the amount saved.</p>
<p>&#8220;3. Mortgage moratorium.&#8221;</p>
<p>What does that mean?</p>
<p>&#8220;4. Home-owner bailout plan, refinances plan paid by taxpayer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Won&#8217;t keep prices afloat, just keeps them from falling too fast.</p>
<p>&#8220;5. Keeping foreclosures of the market by the banks.&#8221;</p>
<p>What?</p>
<p>&#8220;6. Return to 0/40.&#8221;</p>
<p>Minimal impact, maybe draw things out &#8217;till next year at best.
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