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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 03:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63338&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;/dev/null&lt;/a&gt;:  
&lt;blockquote&gt;My wife and I are both enrolled in one of these plans so I wonder how likely we are to ever get anything out. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Municipal pensions are an obligation of the BC Crown, not individual municipalities. Municipalities in BC can go bankrupt (as they can in the US), but the Crown cannot. 
 
The Crown can in theory disavow its obligations by legislation, but that would be getting pretty extreme. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63352&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63338" rel="nofollow">/dev/null</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>My wife and I are both enrolled in one of these plans so I wonder how likely we are to ever get anything out. </p></blockquote>
<p>Municipal pensions are an obligation of the BC Crown, not individual municipalities. Municipalities in BC can go bankrupt (as they can in the US), but the Crown cannot.</p>
<p>The Crown can in theory disavow its obligations by legislation, but that would be getting pretty extreme.
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		<title>By: /dev/null</title>
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		<dc:creator>/dev/null</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patriotz, last thread you &lt;a href=&quot;http://vancouvercondo.info/2010/02/cruise-ship-hotel-plans-sinking.html#comment-63270&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;said&lt;/a&gt;: 
 
&lt;i&gt;In BC municipal pensions are tightly regulated at the provincial level and the kind of pension crisis he talks about cannot happpen.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
I&#039;m curious - do you mean that the pensions are regulated so that they can&#039;t easily crater (e.g. from bad investments) or that if they do crater the provincial finances won&#039;t be impacted? (Or both?) My wife and I are both enrolled in one of these plans so I wonder how likely we are to ever get anything out.  The annual newsletter says &quot;Everything is fine!&quot; which just makes me even more skeptical.  Since we&#039;re fiscally cautious (to a fault) we&#039;re not expecting to get anything. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63338&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patriotz, last thread you <a href="http://vancouvercondo.info/2010/02/cruise-ship-hotel-plans-sinking.html#comment-63270" rel="nofollow">said</a>:</p>
<p><i>In BC municipal pensions are tightly regulated at the provincial level and the kind of pension crisis he talks about cannot happpen.</i></p>
<p>I&#039;m curious &#8211; do you mean that the pensions are regulated so that they can&#039;t easily crater (e.g. from bad investments) or that if they do crater the provincial finances won&#039;t be impacted? (Or both?) My wife and I are both enrolled in one of these plans so I wonder how likely we are to ever get anything out.  The annual newsletter says &quot;Everything is fine!&quot; which just makes me even more skeptical.  Since we&#039;re fiscally cautious (to a fault) we&#039;re not expecting to get anything.
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		<title>By: nero</title>
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		<dc:creator>nero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinese Real Estate Bubble: 
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://pragcap.com/an-interview-with-a-chinese-real-estate-insider&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pragcap.com/an-interview-with-a-chinese-re...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63336&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese Real Estate Bubble:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://pragcap.com/an-interview-with-a-chinese-real-estate-insider" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://pragcap.com/an-interview-with-a-chinese-re" rel="nofollow">http://pragcap.com/an-interview-with-a-chinese-re</a>&#8230;
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		<title>By: gvrdpropertyowner</title>
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		<dc:creator>gvrdpropertyowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63332&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shannon&lt;/a&gt;: So basically it comes down to this. Bob takes his real estate medicine show on the road, but wait the citizens of Seattle don&#039;t seem to be buying Bob&#039;s story? It seems that his stick is only effective in markets filled with savvy investors--- like Vancouver. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63334&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63332" rel="nofollow">shannon</a>: So basically it comes down to this. Bob takes his real estate medicine show on the road, but wait the citizens of Seattle don&#039;t seem to be buying Bob&#039;s story? It seems that his stick is only effective in markets filled with savvy investors&#8212; like Vancouver.
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		<title>By: patriotz</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63325&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oneangryslav2&lt;/a&gt;:  
&lt;blockquote&gt;Absolutely correct. The only mission for private companies is to make money, be it media organizations, health insurance companies, hospitals, schools.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
But if the only business of a private company is to provide information to sophisticated customers, who need to know the real facts and are smart enough recognize the real facts, and the business does not have conflicts of interest, it will deliver the facts. 
 
Thus &lt;i&gt;The Economist&lt;/i&gt;, which is independently owned, was the only large circulation business publication to correctly call the global housing bubble in 2005.  
 
Note by the way, that &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; of the big-business funded think tanks and university &quot;joint institutes&quot; in the US either openly denied the bubble or ignored it - which has also been the case this side of the border. The people who correctly called the bubble were the much-disparaged &quot;ivory tower&quot; (i.e. disinterested) academics such as Robert Shiller et al. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63333&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63325" rel="nofollow">oneangryslav2</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>Absolutely correct. The only mission for private companies is to make money, be it media organizations, health insurance companies, hospitals, schools.</p></blockquote>
<p>But if the only business of a private company is to provide information to sophisticated customers, who need to know the real facts and are smart enough recognize the real facts, and the business does not have conflicts of interest, it will deliver the facts.</p>
<p>Thus <i>The Economist</i>, which is independently owned, was the only large circulation business publication to correctly call the global housing bubble in 2005. </p>
<p>Note by the way, that <b>all</b> of the big-business funded think tanks and university &quot;joint institutes&quot; in the US either openly denied the bubble or ignored it &#8211; which has also been the case this side of the border. The people who correctly called the bubble were the much-disparaged &quot;ivory tower&quot; (i.e. disinterested) academics such as Robert Shiller et al.
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		<title>By: shannon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could this possibly be the same Bob Rennie you guys are always refering to being quoted in the Seattle Bubble in the article titled &quot;Escala Condos&#8217; Shocking Price Strategy Timeline&quot; ?  That guy really gets around! 
 
Find it at  
  &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlebubble.com/blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://seattlebubble.com/blog/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63332&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could this possibly be the same Bob Rennie you guys are always refering to being quoted in the Seattle Bubble in the article titled &quot;Escala Condos&rsquo; Shocking Price Strategy Timeline&quot; ?  That guy really gets around!</p>
<p>Find it at </p>
<p>  <a href="http://seattlebubble.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/</a>
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		<title>By: VRENGD</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok #7 and #22 are two different posters meant to creat little fun during slow traffic. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63330&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok #7 and #22 are two different posters meant to creat little fun during slow traffic.
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		<title>By: VRENGD</title>
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		<dc:creator>VRENGD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I withdraw my comment@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63305&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;VRENGD&lt;/a&gt;:along with VCI me too was unaware about the fact that Vancouver West and West Vancouver Real estate is up above 25% so debt means money that was spent has produced an solid output that will countinue to carry the tradition of Vancouver R.E.never goes down. 
 
Sorry for my comment at #7 like anyone else I am also learning the fact quickly. 
 
Thanks everyone! 
Please countinue...... &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63328&quot;&gt;-8&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I withdraw my comment@<a href="#comment-63305" rel="nofollow">VRENGD</a>:along with VCI me too was unaware about the fact that Vancouver West and West Vancouver Real estate is up above 25% so debt means money that was spent has produced an solid output that will countinue to carry the tradition of Vancouver R.E.never goes down.</p>
<p>Sorry for my comment at #7 like anyone else I am also learning the fact quickly.</p>
<p>Thanks everyone!</p>
<p>Please countinue&#8230;&#8230;
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		<title>By: oneangryslav2</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63324&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Drachen&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Never forget, News Media&#8217;s first mission is NOT to keep the public informed. It&#8217;s first, last and only mission is to earn money.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Absolutely correct. The only mission for private companies is to make money, be it media organizations, health insurance companies, hospitals, schools. Which is fine as long as we&#039;re aware of it. But, what has made the situation worse the last copule of decades is that there is a gaping divergence between the long-term interests of the owners of these private companies (i.e., the shareholders) and those who run the company on a daily basis (thanks to stock options, incestuous boards of directors, etc.) 
 
It&#039;s a strange kind of capitalism where there are no capitalists. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63325&quot;&gt;9&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63324" rel="nofollow">Drachen</a>:<br />
<blockquote>&quot;Never forget, News Media&rsquo;s first mission is NOT to keep the public informed. It&rsquo;s first, last and only mission is to earn money.&quot;</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely correct. The only mission for private companies is to make money, be it media organizations, health insurance companies, hospitals, schools. Which is fine as long as we&#039;re aware of it. But, what has made the situation worse the last copule of decades is that there is a gaping divergence between the long-term interests of the owners of these private companies (i.e., the shareholders) and those who run the company on a daily basis (thanks to stock options, incestuous boards of directors, etc.)</p>
<p>It&#039;s a strange kind of capitalism where there are no capitalists.
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		<title>By: Drachen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-63322&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rp&lt;/a&gt;:  
 
Of course not.  Mass media is never to blame, at least that&#039;s what the newspapers, television and radio always inform me. 
 
Why not run an article titled, &quot;The news media dropped the ball on the housing bubble, why it&#039;s going to cost you a bundle, and how to unsubscribe from your local newspaper.&quot; over to the editor of The Province and see if they&#039;ll print it! 
 
Never forget, News Media&#039;s first mission is &lt;b&gt;NOT&lt;/b&gt; to keep the public informed.  It&#039;s first, last and only mission is to earn money. &lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-63324&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-63322" rel="nofollow">rp</a>: </p>
<p>Of course not.  Mass media is never to blame, at least that&#039;s what the newspapers, television and radio always inform me.</p>
<p>Why not run an article titled, &quot;The news media dropped the ball on the housing bubble, why it&#039;s going to cost you a bundle, and how to unsubscribe from your local newspaper.&quot; over to the editor of The Province and see if they&#039;ll print it!</p>
<p>Never forget, News Media&#039;s first mission is <b>NOT</b> to keep the public informed.  It&#039;s first, last and only mission is to earn money.
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