UBC Hospice approved despite fear of ghosts

The UBC hospice has been approved at it’s current location despite neighboring condo owners fear of ghosts driving down property values.

UBC’s board of governors has approved plans for the 15-bed Order of St. John facility, which some Chinese-born residents of a nearby condo tower say will bring bad luck to the community.

“I want to know where does humanity go for residents living in this building, when 80 per cent of them highly oppose the site — not oppose this idea, just oppose this site?” condo owner Jane Ni asked reporters at a press conference Friday.

She denied claims that neighbours’ opposition is based on superstition about ghosts.

“This is 5,000 years of culture and religion. We are not superstitious,” Ni said.

Some Chinese community leaders are offering their support to the hospice’s opponents, arguing that their concerns aren’t being taken seriously.

“You must consider whether proceeding under these circumstances is the best, or is there an alternative that can further lessen the negative human impact?” said David Choi, chairman of the National Congress of Chinese Canadians.

The university says that it understands the residents’ worries, but that the site is ideal for a hospice.

“A hospice is not to be put away in an institutional setting; it is meant to be in a community, because it’s very much a part of the life and death of a community. When people are at their end of lives, they should be close to their families,” said Stephen Owen, vice-president at UBC.

The school is planning to put up trees around the hospice as a screen and help neighbours who wish to move to new units on campus.

The full article is available at CTV. There are a few remarkable things about this story.

First, that two of the three people quoted appear to be realtors, yet the article doesn’t mention that fact.

Second, that they’ve decided to place the justification for this particular bit of nimbyism in purely racist terms.

Third, that if you’re looking to buy a condo at UBC the owners at Promontory have just said that their units are now worth a lot less than they used to be.

And regarding the David Choi comment “is there an alternative that can further lessen the negative human impact?”. This is an interesting question because the whole purpose of a hospice is to lessen the negative human impact when people are at their weakest. Perhaps a more important question is what values do we want to hold as a society? Which do we value more: human life and caring for the elderly and sick or property values?

I’m afraid that we already know the answer to that question for at least some people.

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logic
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logic

“This is 5,000 years of culture and religion. We are not superstitious,” Ni said.

It doesn't matter how long believes a superstition, it is still a superstition.

patriotz
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Well I guess I don't have to burn my UBC diploma now.

Thank you Stephen Owen. I've always held him in high regard and he hasn't disappointed.

blueskies
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blueskies

"property values" are sacrosanct

karma and NIMBYism are
mutually exclusive

and some realtors are disingenuous

Patiently Waiting
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Patiently Waiting

Slavery and infanticide go back thousands of years too.

Ravishing Rick
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Ravishing Rick

Cut the music!!

Let’s talk salaries and incomes –> go to the forum to post factual information on BC and Vancouver salaries. 2010 VPD salaries are posted:
http://vancouvercondo.info/forum/topic/vancouver-

Boombust
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Boombust

Idiots. That's what they are. Superstitious idiots.

Keeping An Eye On Th
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Keeping An Eye On Th

Here is what will happen next:

Some of the condo owners will develop psychosomatic symptoms and will not be able to work any longer.

Any lawyers who are well versed on pensions or abstract personal injury would do well to send flyers to that building.

I also wonder if Rennie could take on the selling of the units that may go up for sale. After all he is a marketing genius and if he can sell haunted condos, he will have my respect.

jesse
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I agree with wreakanomics that the MSM did a poor job covering this story. Shame on them.

Flip Flop
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Flip Flop

I think the companies that employ these realtors need to be reminded that their names are also attached to this, and that unless they fire these two idiots they won't be seeing any business from the Vancouver residents that frequent this board.

Suggestions on the appropriate contact to fire off an email or angry phone call too? I'd do the work myself, but it's Monday morning and I can already feel the work piling up.

FF

MrBear
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MrBear

Damn, it's too bad they went through with this.

They should have moved the hospice to somewhere where its residents wouldn't be subject to hostility from shitty neighbours.

And they should have put an open pit trash incineration site beside the effing condo building.

Snowrunner
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“This is 5,000 years of culture and religion. We are not superstitious,” Ni said.

Maybe (s)he should take some refresher English classes. Clearly she has no idea what "superstition" is.

james
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james

I hope that instead of idly whining and complaining that some of you are actually doing something about this complete bullshit by writing to CTV at new@ctv.ca

How the hell can they support this blatant conflict of interest knowing that Jane Ni is a REALTOR at Royal Pacific and David Choi is the frigging President and CEO.

We are'nt superstitious we just think it will bring us bad luck. What a fucking joke.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

@Snowrunner:

Chinese people don,t have a religion. They do ancestor worship.

Fin
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Fin

Somebody mentioned the other day that the leased land the condo is built on is an old burial ground anyways. Do ghosts have a 'best before' date?

Absinthe
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Absinthe

Doesn't really matter if it's based on 5000 years of tradition or not. Ancient discrimination based on minority status is still discrimination. The world in general has a tradition of being asses to minorities that make the majority feel "icky".

Rob A.
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Rob A.

let me get this straight, they build these buildings using feng shui, number the address, floors, suites according to numerology. Then people are surprised when the people who move in are superstitious?

give me a break.

specialfx3000
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specialfx3000

@james:

The contact email is news@ctv.ca

Frank Grimes
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Frank Grimes

We should really push this with regards to the crappy reporting. I believe there was a poster (gordholio?) who got an editorial piece published in the Vancouver Sun as a rebuttal to the CamGoodHelicopterAsiansOverWhiteRock story. Maybe he has suggestions of ways to get the facts out; specifically the fact that Ni and Choi are both realtors.

james
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james

@specialfx3000: Thanks for the correction. I think a ghost removed the "s". I'm not superstitious, I just don't like ghosts.

Hovering
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Hovering

Canada prides itself on accepting all cultures, races, religions however not without placing limits on certain aspects of those cultures.

E.g. we don't(generally) permit multiple marriages, domestic violence, witchcraft, ceremonial use of narcotics, female genital mutilation (mutilating boys is fine though..) etc..

it may be that these condo owners are fearful for their ppty values and the superstitious angle is baloney (likely I think). Or it may be that some of these condo owners really fear "ghosts".

I am pleased with the ultimate decision.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

The solution is simple…move.

Patiently Waiting
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Patiently Waiting

At the end of this article, a man name Hanson Lau threatens UBC with withdrawal of financial support from the Chinese community:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oubUKlNBpIw&fe

Lau, owner of Hanson Travel, is the first prominent CANTONESE community represenative to side with the condo owners. Very strange that he would wade into this, and totally unnecessary, especially now that the decision is made.

As for a possible article about the realtors, I'm not sure how it would be spun and who should author it? It would be best if someone with Chinese name wrote it, to be perfectly honest, so there are no distracting claims of racism.

Anonymouse
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Anonymouse

I really don't see what all the fuss is over this story. They're NIMBYs. It happens everywhere when X wants to build a Y next to Z. They had the right to make their feelings known throughout the planning process, they were duly considered, but ultimately the construction will go ahead. Isn't that how the process is supposed to work?

WFT?
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WFT?

I wonder if it would be good marketing for a developer to build a building called "Number 4" perhaps on 4th avenue. The selling point would be that no superstitious chinese people (who are still living in the bronze age mentally) will live there.

WFT?
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WFT?

@Anonymouse: " Isn’t that how the process is supposed to work?"

Of course it is. But this is the most rediculous reason for opposing a development that most people have ever heard. This is the 21st century.

It is shocking that these people expect to be taken seriously and that they are not trying to hide such primitive, silly and childish beleifs.

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