Economic recovery – u r doing it rong

Well with S&P downgrading the US from AAA to AA, that should send interest rates for a ride. Yup, interest rates just went for a ride all right, and hard. Below is the Government of Canada 5 year note one-year chart:

Yes, interest rates fell when, normally, a ratings downgrade would increase yields. The story to pay attention to isn’t the S&P downgrade, it’s comments like this from Hon. Jim Flaherty on continuing government-led austerity measures in countries that are not running at full capacity:

European and American leaders have demonstrated they have the “will to act” but more needs to be done to rein in global debt and deficits, Canada’s Finance Minister Jim Flaherty says.
In an interview Monday, Flaherty told Amanda Lang of CBC News that he is most concerned about European sovereign debt, though he noted that the U.S. also needs to tackle its debt and deficit.
“These are fiscal issues; they’re not bank issues, they’re not monetary issues,” Flaherty said. “And it’s very important that Italy, Spain and the others — Portugal, Ireland and Greece — go ahead and implement the programs that they’ve committed to, the fiscal restraint programs, the reforms they’ve committed to. They have to get it done.”

Just throwing it out there… comments like these from Flaherty and others, along with the pudding of actually cutting said governments’ expenditures, may actually be why global stock markets are taking a rather large poo.

What will all this mean for Vancouver and its real estate? Dunno, but two things look baked in for the next few quarters: lower mortgage rates and more employment weakness.

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sorry, caps for emphasis, because that's the typical vancouver driver.


Check this out:

2579 SAPPHIRE PL, Westwood Plateau, Coquitlam,


Sold on 30/Apr/2010 $842,000

and currently listed for $858,000

Do you think it will sell even for $800,000?


@jesse: Very likely given that the various governments hyped the hell out of this development about how green and LEED platinium it is.

Maybe the idea is that the buildings using geothermal, heat exchanges, rain water collection, etc would reduce the energy usage to minimal? But the residents may not be getting any credits for the energy that's generated? Regardless it seems to be pretty confusing and I do feel that there is something fishy going on with the billing, especially for stuff that are normally covered by strata fees which aren't cheap to begin with.


@Best place on meth: I guess another year of this and it's property tax increase time. Or maybe those units gets turned over to housing society with the city washing its hands clean of future special assessments bills that will for sure come up. Well one can always wish….


@Best place on meth: Uhm…I don't see any pictures of the bathroom or even where it could be located? Unless that desk doubles as a bathtub?

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Last I heard a third of the OV units were still not sold.


They called me from my bank yesterday to ask what to do with one of my term deposits that's maturing. They offered 0.85% interest on a redeemable GIC.

I am now 100% convinced they are trying to make us all go broke so they can own us and use us as slaves, possibly to produce cheap energy using our body heat, while we hang suspended in slimy cocoons.

I think I will gather my family all my guns and plenty of ammo and head for the mountains very shortly as this place appears totally fucked.


More reports about the Olympic Villiage utility billing fiasco. Seems like nothing can go right with this.

Btw, how's the sale going? There seems to be no news about it at all since the last new price testing pre-sale thing that Renee did.


@fixie guy:

And since RE can only return its rental income to its owners collectively, an owner who buys when it's more expensive than renting can only come out ahead by selling at a price even more out of proportion to renting, to a buyer who can only come out ahead by selling at a price still more out of proportion to renting, etc.

Country Joe voice: What's that called?

500,000 voices: A PONZI SCHEME!

fixie guy

185 fixie guy Says: "…but they can’t return rental income.,,,"

Ugh, they CAN return real income.

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@179 BRITANNY Says: "Consumer sentiment is what makes prices rise and fall. Whether it is RE,gold,cabbage patch dolls etc. It used to be supply and demand, but that is old economics."

That's like saying 'the old mathematical principles no longer hold.' Sentiment can only temporarily distort markets, at day's end the iron rule of earnings still hold: theoretically assets can't appreciate in real terms forever but they can't return rental income. The last ultimately sets their long term value. Your cabbage patch example is perfect.



The 5 year fixed will be definitely below 3% soon.

Aint that free money?

No, because even at those rates it would cost WAY more to buy than to rent.



On what basis so you make that conclusion?


Who is offering 3% 5yr fixed?


Inventory has just about peaked. On an earlier thread I said it would top out at 17500, but I now don't think it will get that far.

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Consumer sentiment is what makes prices rise and fall. Whether it is RE,gold,cabbage patch dolls etc. It used to be supply and demand, but that is old economics.When the US RE market crashed, it didnt decrease blackberry sales. The gov't knows this. Thats why they hang their hat on the one positive thing and pump the shit out of it and avoid the 100 negative things going on. The general public could make an effort to keep themselves informed but that would take effort so scratch that idea.Sometimes I wish I was an idiot so I could be accidently hugely successful and chaulk it up to my above average intelligence. You know, like Donald Trump.

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@Keeping An Eye On The Pimps:

That is why Flaherty, let the banks unload the junk onto CMHC.

But the bag of tricks has got to be empty now.


“Think about it, last figure of inflation rate was 3.7% for Canada and we can get a 5 year fixed for 3%. Who is getting screwed here?"

I wouldn't be surprised to see a minus -3% inflation rate this month with how hard commodities and other markets are getting hit.

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The pathetic A-holes in the mortgage broker business keep whining and whining and even more whining that the banks should drop their mortgage rates. It's just not fair, say the parasites.

Looks like banks had enough of their shrillness and will throw them a bone.


@lol cats:


Nothing but whores and linebackers there.

PS what position does your " udder 1/2 " play?

Keeping An Eye On Th

"Think about it, last figure of inflation rate was 3.7% for Canada and we can get a 5 year fixed for 3%. Who is getting screwed here?"@paradox:

Have you looked at the stock prices of banks and where they are headed?

Eventually they will go bankrupt, you can suspend gravity for only a while.

The banks cannot lend money for less than inflation for ever.

But if they can capture the last of the greatest fools- power to them.

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10 U.S. housing markets that could fall the hardest in 2012.

The current prices already look low, but another 10-16% down next year?

lol cats

PallB must live in a real shithole based on post # 20. keep dreaming stoner… or move to Winnipeg.