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If you live in and around Vancouver you probably know its election time. Voting day is on the 19th.

This is an open topic political thread. Who do you feel is best suited to lead this city and why?

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Manson
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Manson

This is a "Hate Vancouver" site…You don't care what's good for the City.

b5baxter
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@Call em as I see em:

"…the bike lane disaster…"

Seville put in a 120 km of separated bike lanes in the past 3 years. Vancouver puts in 9 km and it is a disaster??? Vancouver is actually quickly following behind other cities when it comes to sustainable transportation infrastructure.

Getting back to housing …

There is not much difference between the NPA and Vision … but Vision did start one new housing co-op while they were in power. It was the first one in 10 years (NPA did zero). I think that housing co-ops are a good way to increase supply without driving up prices. But one is clearly not enough.

Call em as I see em
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Call em as I see em

"Are the protestors NOT the public?"

Yes but they are camping on it and not allowing the rest of the public access. They are welcome to gather and protest just not camp. There is a difference.

Anon
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Anon

Personally, I will not vote for the NPA after Anton's comments about "public space" being reserved for "the public", and shutting down the protest at the Art Gallery on that basis. Are the protestors NOT the public?

As for the rest, I'm not sold on the bike lanes and other incidental issues that people get all worked up about. It's the systemic things that get to me, like the fact that all partis are sold out to developers and the RD industry. But that's a fact of life in this one-industry town.

Personally, I like sandy Garossino as an independant.
http://themainlander.com/2011/11/05/interview-san
At least she is talking about the real issue here. Everyone else is scared witless of this discussion!

Call em as I see em
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Call em as I see em

"The big question is whether young people today will be able to accumulate wealth the way today’s elders have."

Most middle class elders have accumulated a large part of their net worth through their principal residence. Young people today will not have the tail wind of interest rates declining over 30 years so even after a correction housing will not perform the same. Those young people who bought houses during this bubble will be screwed.

The other part is overall we are in debt (as a country) so today's elders have less wealth than their personal balance sheet shows.

Anon
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Anon
52 Oilman Says: “For the first 3 years that I studied in Montreal, my tuition was 465 dollars a year……and I was born in the late 60′s.” I had the same experience. Born in Montreal in 67, and tuition was so cheap when I went to University that I was able to take out loans and bursaries, bank the loans and collect interest, and work part-time to pay the rent. I actually paid the loans off the month after I graduated, minus the interest I collected 🙂 Also, I had a mom who brought me food, so that helped. But I have lots of friends from those days who weren't so debt-averse (and whose moms didn't feed them). They made terrible financial decisions are some of them are STILL in debt – for degrees in sociology and what have you.… Read more »
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52 Oilman Says: "For the first 3 years that I studied in Montreal, my tuition was 465 dollars a year……and I was born in the late 60′s." I was born ten years earlier and my tuition was more than that a semester. I started by flipped burgers for $1.45/hour on weekends and graduated in the recession of the early Eighties. Sixty percent of my graduating class couldn't find work and it took two years to find a job far below my education. The next ten years were spent busting hump turning it into a career. I had it leagues better than my parents who emigrated from wartime Europe. Yes, kids today have it hard but FFS take the off the cross. They're not world historical victims, they had the most privileged childhoods in history. Consider teaching them to work their… Read more »
patriotz
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@PennyStock:

"The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday."

That's always been true, simply because people become wealthier as they get older, through both savings (of which paying off mortgage debt is the greatest factor) and inheritances.

The big question is whether young people today will be able to accumulate wealth the way today's elders have.

Devore
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Devore

@DEFAULT NAME: Yes, net worth.

patriotz
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@Oilman:

"Students today are screwed. No Summer jobs, no prospects after University, and a mountain of debt so high it will take 3 lifetimes to pay it off."

And people still think that house prices can keep going up indefinitely.

"I worry for my kids, but I’m also working my ass off to give them every opportunity possible…"

The most important way you can help your kids financially is not to help them buy a condo or house at an excessive price.

Anonymous
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@PennyStock:

Hardly surprising – they're including both equity and mortgage debt in their calculation, so it obviously favors those who have their mortgages paid off or close to being paid off.

PennyStock
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PennyStock

The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday.

The median net worth of households headed by someone 65 or older was $170,494. The median net worth for the younger-age households was $3,662.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/arti

kansai92
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@DEFAULT NAMEe:

I'm sorry but the right to organize and protest does not equal the right to squat.

You do you protest and get out. If you want to do it all over again the next day, that's your business.

Now I want all these idiots out of our public areas.

jesse
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CBC: Federal government likely to miss balanced budget in 2014 target

Finance Department numbers released Oct. 26 show the government isn't likely to meet its deficit target. Based on predictions by private sector economists, the department's numbers forecast an economy generating $83 billion less between 2011 and 2015 than the government projected in its June budget. That could mean government revenues will fall short by as much as $12 billion by 2015.

Hoocoodanode? Expect similar "misses" from the BC government.

Urbain
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@Oilman: My kid will start post secondary next year and currently trying to hurdle the massive unemployment her generation is experiencing. Something I'm noticing is the same jobs I had going through high school and university are sometimes held by people my age, and often by people with about 10 years on her. That means she's fighting to get entry level positions in service and retail that are held by people with years of experience and a fierce need for that work (families, cc debt, mortgages, etc.). Fortunately she's a smart cookie and is already gaining work experience through internship placements via her high school teachers. She has her future mapped out and has been offered starting positions once she has finished post secondary. That said, she's having a tough time getting paid work just to earn some money and… Read more »
jumping in
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jumping in

Camp in front of the VAG?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoOKY5kH9cc&fe…!

Economics 101 buy Jim Stanford

Anonymous
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@Patiently Waiting: …

What alternatives do these kids have:

1) Want fries with that?

2) Try to get educated, go in massive debt, and back to “Want fries with that?”

3) Camp in front of the VAG……

Aren't you missing a couple? What about 'Barista' which should come it at 2. And, of course: getting your Real Estate license which would be at about 1.5.

Maybe all those folks camped at the Art Gallery think that it's a lineup for condo sales. Where's Cam Good when you need him?

Oilman
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@chilled: Completely agree, the jobs I got as a Summer student actually paid a living wage. They were unionized manufacturing jobs, and we made the entry level wage. I made enough money to graduate university without any debt. For the first 3 years that I studied in Montreal, my tuition was 465 dollars a year……and I was born in the late 60's.

Students today are screwed. No Summer jobs, no prospects after University, and a mountain of debt so high it will take 3 lifetimes to pay it off. I worry for my kids, but I'm also working my ass off to give them every opportunity possible…

Anonymous
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@Patiently Waiting: ….(2) A licensee who is providing trading services to a client …….

(3) If a client instructs a licensee to withhold a disclosure required by subsection ……

You're make a bit of a leap there aren't you? Are you seriously suggesting that Realturds can read?

chilled
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chilled

@McLovin:

"Sorry, I don’t feel the least bit sorry for kids today."

Who's asking you to be sorry for anyone?

Oh, is that fish plant still open?

How about Can Tire, even taking applications?

What was your tuition way back when and the course entry requirements vs today?

I'm a bit older than you, with a post secondary education as well. The difference is that I know it is harder, SIGNIFICANTLY harder for students to get ahead today compared to when I was starting off. That is undeniable.

Anonymous
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@Best place on meth: ….Other than being extremely shrill and whiny, she is indeed useless…..

They're all useless! The only option a voter has is to kick them out after one term in order to limit the damage they do.

Anonymous
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@VanRant: …22 months of inventory available for sale in Beijing. Watch out Canada!

http://news.xinhuanet.com/engl…..1060_2.htm...

I by tree trousan, my husba buy tree trousan.

rp1
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rp1

#42 @Anonymus: "Until we reverse the trend toward inequality, the economy can’t be revived.”

The way to fix this is to cut out financiers. Don't borrow money. It's that simple. Make money and spend it yourself in the real economy, on goods and services you want, at businesses you respect. Don't spend other peoples' money. Don't buy things from companies you think are bad. Do things yourself if necessary and help friends and family do the same. Don't feed the parasites.

chip
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@Anonymus:

"With so much income and wealth concentrated at the top, the vast middle class no longer has the purchasing power to buy what the economy is capable of producing."

Because wealth is finite pie. The more someone gets the less there is for you. You might read somewhere that income inequality increases in times of rapid economic growth, and shrinks during contractions, but that is just a lie to keep you from storming the barricades. Or something.

McLovin
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yeah, happiness is just around corner. gimme a break. propaganda that comes from the elite. young people start their life with 100.000′s of debt. indebted slaves from the start. financial and political system is fraudulent. You're talking to one who it worked out for jack ass. Started collecting pop bottles at 11 McDonalds at 15 Night shift in a fish plant in the summer at 16 & 17 Canadian Tire and Fish plant through University I had student loans like everyone else. The difference was I was doing jobs other people didn't want to do. (The exact same people who are camping out on the lawn) While my friends partied, I worked. I was taught a strong work ethic and the importance of a good attitude by my father at a young age and it has carried me through all… Read more »