Water problems in New West condo

Chilled wrote the following in this weekends thread:

Condo Boom?

I live in a high end New West condo that is approximately 3yrs old. They have recently had another major ‘flood.’ Fortunately I live on a floor well above the high water mark and my unit hasn’t suffered damage. Damages has been extensive. Being a renter I am not privy to the strata minutes, but I have had discussions with strata members and believe my information to be accurate.

“Defective expansion joints” are blowing out, causing main water lines to let go. Yikes!!! The strata has posted notices that “faulty expansion joints” are going to all be replaced.

Faulty? Yeah sure, probably installed by a “plumbers apprentice” without enough experience supervised by a journeyman who is hardly competent himself. As a tradesman myself, expansion joints just don’t ‘fail.’ Especially at an alarming rate and if they did, wouldn’t this be going on everywhere the product was installed leading to a subsequent recall?

Anyway, get this;

-the developer is the property management company
-the engineering company works for the developer
-the mechanical contractor works for the developer

Strata members tell me it is “warranty” but when I query them on who pays for the cleanup and restoration costs I’m told they are “not sure yet.” Basically, this will cost the strata hugh one way or the other.

Hey, any of the strata members reading this will recognize the building so read this carefully;

call in a mechanical consulting engineer specializing in piping. You will have to bring someone in from out of province, maybe Alberta. The old boys club in Vancouver will prevent independent and impartial analysis
FIRE the development company acting as the strata property management company. Do you see a conflict here as the building inches through the warranty period?
take the engineering report to a legal firm willing to take the developer to task on this
pursue the same avenue with all the other problems in the building. It is not normal to have the elevator service company on site as much as the mail man.

Finally, please stop telling us renters in the elevator “I wish I rent like you” as I know you drank the koolaid and made stupid decisions that will cost you for the rest of your lives.

But if you do happen to see the owner of my unit at an emergency strata meeting, please thank him for what is a huge rental subsidy.

Sign me,

Happily above the high tide mark.

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Anonymouse
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Anonymouse

"Hey, any of the strata members reading this will recognize the building so read this carefully;"

You've already said you're a renter, and that therefore this is no concern of yours, so why not keep out of it?

Vini
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Vini

@DEFAULT NAMEe: You’ve already said you’re a renter, and that therefore this is no concern of yours, so why not keep out of it?

He also said he lives in the building, so maybe it is a wee bit of a concern of his. I think he's not concerned with how much the repairs cost or who ends up paying for it, but who wants to live in a building with burst pipes in the walls?

patriotz
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@DEFAULT NAMEe:

"why not keep out of it?"

Because he's literally in it?

Maintenance issues affect renters. Duh.

Anonymouse
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@patriotz:

"Because he’s literally in it? Maintenance issues affect renters. Duh."

Actually, he says : "But if you do happen to see the owner of my unit at an emergency strata meeting, please thank him for what is a huge rental subsidy."

Which seems to be only for the purposes of gloating. Duh.

Hubert
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@DEFAULT NAMEe:

You're an idiot. I'm not a white supremacist, does that mean I should have no opinion on the racist piece of shits that recently got charged with hate crimes?

The 'you're not X so you should have no opinion on the matter' argument is crap.

Anonymouse
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Anonymouse

@Vini:

"but who wants to live in a building with burst pipes in the walls?"

Then move. Isn't that one of benefits of renting that's constantly trumpeted?

Hubert
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Hubert

@DEFAULT NAMEe:

"Then move."

You're hilarious. Why should he move out of a new building that obviously needs fixing, and why shouldn't that warranty work be done properly instead of just as a temporary patch.

Just because its easier and cheaper to move as a renter doesn't mean its without effort. Renting or buying, there are basic requirements for standards of living in a building.

Hubert
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Hubert

@DEFAULT NAMEe: Right, you never said he wasn't entitled to his opinion, what you actually said was "this is no concern of yours, so why not keep out of it?".

My bad 🙄

jesse
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This was sent to me by commenter "Strataman" a while ago, when I asked him to highlight some of the various "scams" he's seen around condo strata: There is a two year warranty on mechanical systems in developments. That is sewer water HVAC fire and such. This is the way the warranty works. The owner the strata is not allowed access to that portion of the building in that two years. They can not evaluate if the system is working properly because if they so much as touch a piece of equipment the warranty is void. I make a lot of money keeping systems going by band aid methods until the warranty expires. I give the developer a permanent fix in all cases and in all cases I am told to "just make it work" until the warranty expires. When… Read more »
Anonymouse
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@Hubert:

"Renting or buying, there are basic requirements for standards of living in a building."

Absolutely. And the correct avenue for addressing problems such as this is via his landlord. Wouldn't you agree?

jesse
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@DEFAULT NAME: LOL you better hope Strataman isn't reading! 😉

One point with new buildings is that as they are brought online the strata are bootstrapped by the developer who signs initial agreements and contracts. The owners who assume control of the strata are bound by these agreements. It's in their presale contracts this can be done. This doesn't necessarily mean the builder will screw over the strata — some builders care about reputation — but often all members of the strata are not involved in setting up initial maintenance contracts even though they are obliged to complete the purchase.

mattymatt123
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mattymatt123

Glad to be renting also! The owners of my unit are getting slapped with a $2800.00 special assessment. Ho ho ho! The building was built in 2008, beautiful outdoor architecture and nice looking insides, SHIT WORKMANSHIP! Gone thru 3 hot water tanks already… now the strata want to put in boiler hence special asses. The air conditioning unit just started to sound like someones running a chainsaw in the hall way, so I'm sure I'm not the only one complaining about that. Clunky and slow elevator… and the list goes on… Any ways, when there is a correction, and I buy back in, I wont buy any thing built from 2004 onwards!

Boom Built Shit!

Alum
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Alum

Hey idiot renters:

Your landlord is losing money and you party ? WTF???

If he keeps loosing money, eventually, these costs will have to be passed to renters like you! duuh

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@Alum:

>>>these costs will have to be passed to renters like you!<<<

Wrong dumbfuck. Landlords only get what the market will pay, if it was so easy to pass their costs on there wouldn't be so many idiot amateur landlords bleeding hundreds of dollars every month.

Hubert
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@DEFAULT NAMEe: "the correct avenue for addressing problems such as this is via his landlord. Wouldn’t you agree?"

Sorry no, don't agree. Unless his landlord, as owner of one unit, is personally responsible for the state of the plumbing in the entire building and can fix the problem single handed.

Alum
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Alum

@Alum:

Hey idiot renters:

Your landlord is losing money and you party ? WTF???

If he keeps loosing money, eventually, these costs will have to be passed to renters like you! duuh

mattymatt123
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mattymatt123

Attn: Alum

Your the IDIOT!

mattymatt123
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mattymatt123

I Love name calling on line. LOL

patriotz
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@Alum:

"If he keeps loosing money, eventually, these costs will have to be passed to renters like you! duuh"

If that were true, there would never be a RE bust, anywhere, because rents would rise to the point where landlords would make money, rather than what actually happens, prices falling to the point where landlords would make money.

Welcome to our universe. What's yours called?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

@Alum: "If he keeps loosing money, eventually, these costs will have to be passed to renters like you! duuh"

No…eventually he runs out of money and has to sell or declare bankruptcy. If the landlord raises rents above market, it will sit vacant.

mattymatt123
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@DEFAULT NAME

That's Right! My landlord tried to raise rent by $300. We said we would leave, they tried to get others, but no takers at an insane price. So we stay at reasonable below mortgage cost!

Anonymous
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@fixie guy:

"See flagship of Vancouver buildings below"

Maybe you could tell us where the code violations are?

The warranty starts when the unit is sold. The OV will be under warranty for many years to come until way after the last unit is sold. Most of the stories with the OV workmanship are the result of the buyers paying too much and looking for recourse in other ways. I am not saying the buildings are well built, but if prices had not been cut we wouldn't be hearing so many complaints. If there were truly so many problems you would bring in an independent engineer and make a warranty claim, then sue if not resolved. You would not be going to the media to file a complaint.

Anonymouse
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@Hubert:

"Sorry no, don’t agree. Unless his landlord, as owner of one unit, is personally responsible for the state of the plumbing in the entire building and can fix the problem single handed."

No, the owner isn't personally responsible for the state of the plumbing nor can he fix it single-handed. That's a total strawman on your part. However, the owner of the unit – his landlord – is the one who should be dealing with the strata.

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27 DEFAULT NAME Says: "Maybe you could tell us where the code violations are?"

Maybe you don't understand the purpose of building codes. It's to protect buyers from exactly what they're suffering in Vancouver's Olympic residential centrepiece. Warranties aren't relevant. The world's spot light still produces this unqualified dump, a pretty safe indicator of what happens outside it.

"Most of the stories with the OV workmanship are the result of the buyers paying too much and looking for recourse in other ways."

So you challenge me for specific building codes on a structure renowned for problems and then toss out this wondrous piece of mind reading?

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