Vancouver BC vs Paris France

Here’s one readers thoughts on the comparison between living in these two ‘world class’ cities.

Right now I’m renting an apartment in central Paris for two months. I agree completely with the previous comment that these ratings are usually aimed at the rich. I’m a member of the working class and the important question for me is whether a city works for those of us who do the work.

Some things I’ve noticed here in Paris. The cost of shelter is very high, particularly in central Paris, and living spaces are small. But the city itself functions as a kind of back yard and social space for those who live here.

If you buy an apartment you know it’s going to last because it’s usually been around for well over a hundred years already. These things are solid!

Despite the high cost of shelter I see a lot of families with children. The age of the parents are noticeably younger than in Vancouver. It’s not uncommon to see parents with two and three kids. Unlike Vancouver the parks and playgrounds are often full of children. This no doubt reflects the efforts by the French government to assist families with children. Daycare is free. Almost every school has after school care. Families receive significant subsidies for their children. Families with lower incomes receive financial assistance to pay for housing. The minimum wage is significantly higher. Working parents have a lot of vacation time.

These advantages are a product of a working class that has a strong history of fighting for measures that benefit everyone. As everywhere there are problems but nothing like the extreme challenges that face parents in Vancouver, particularly the toxic combination of high housing costs combined with unaffordable and often inaccessible daycare. Canadian governments feel no need to do anything about it given the lack of organized resistance to these hardships.

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Any other Vancouverites here who have lived / are living in another city?  What are your thoughts on how the two compare?

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6 years ago

“As so many of you state the obvious that Vancouver indeed isn’t considered “world class”, then please someone tell me why real estate prices act like we are?”
Because the stupid government kept interest rates low to stimulate the economy,but instead created this real estate bubble we are in now.
The other reason is that the doors are open for everyone to immigrate here with very poor screening.You can bring large amounts of money and you wont be asked to prove where the money came from.

Snake
Snake
6 years ago

Many Franks Says:
Hey, if the assessment is the same as asking, rent will have covered property taxes after just the first quarter!
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It assesed at $955,200

http://www.ecorealtyinc.ca/listing?id=260345418

Softy
Softy
6 years ago

Those people were beter off renting. They should have recognized that when they did their risk management. If they did not manage and plan for risks, they are idiots and deserve no sympathy.

“@softy – you sure know their personal situation, don’t you? it could never because maybe they were laid off and can’t find another job at similar pay for 6 months or a year, or health issues, or family crisis, or anything. No, it can’t be due to anything outside of the family/person’s control. It can only be because they are idiots and overpaid for a house recently. And their mistake is a horrendous that it deserves no sympathy whatsoever. Only scorn. That their family and kids will have to pay for the sins of the father.”

tedeastside
tedeastside
6 years ago

pixar from the vancouver cold rain to the California sun
lets hear someone defend vancouver

crikey
crikey
6 years ago

#170 said “The crash is cancelled. Please collect your door prize on the way out.”

And here I thought it had only be delayed due to unprecedented greater-fool participation.

Absinthe
Absinthe
6 years ago

For those debating families and incomes and all that jazz –

The median census family income in 2011 in Metro Vancouver was thirty bucks shy of $69K. The national median census family income was $72K.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/famil107a-eng.htm

However, you might be more interested in just COUPLE families – as census families include single parents, and clearly the earlier calculations left these families out. Nationwide for couples, the median income is $79K:

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/famil106a-eng.htm

What can be said is that in 2 parent families, the majority have one parent of the female gender. Stats again from 2011, women make $32K where men make $48K.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor01a-eng.htm

chin
chin
6 years ago

trolls are back must be that realtor hunger index thingy going on

Harvey
Harvey
6 years ago

Yellen installed at the FED. Moar printing. Bears will never get a break 🙂

patriotz
6 years ago

@176: ” It can only be because they are idiots and overpaid for a house recently.”

If you end up being foreclosed after losing your job, or illness, or divorce, etc., it is because you paid too much for the house.

Best place on meth
Best place on meth
6 years ago
space889
space889
6 years ago

@softy – you sure know their personal situation, don’t you? it could never because maybe they were laid off and can’t find another job at similar pay for 6 months or a year, or health issues, or family crisis, or anything. No, it can’t be due to anything outside of the family/person’s control. It can only be because they are idiots and overpaid for a house recently. And their mistake is a horrendous that it deserves no sympathy whatsoever. Only scorn. That their family and kids will have to pay for the sins of the father.

geez…

Manatee
Manatee
6 years ago

China Accidentally Built a Housing Complex in the Middle of a Highway
http://gizmodo.com/china-accidentally-built-an-apartment-complex-in-the-mi-1442963266

Hopefully Vancouver doesn’t resort to this to increase density.

victoria
victoria
6 years ago

The French can really snob things up a lot. I should say the Parisians. My husband started golfing when we were in Paris and on weekends we would show up at this driving range outside of Paris. It had a little cafe, a green to practice putting and of course the driving range. The French men and women would show up dressed to the nines with Lacoste shirts, fancy sunglasses, fancy golf shoes, best golf clubs you name it. A total parody of a golfer. They would hit balls and practice putting for about an 1/2 and then lunch time would hit. Off they would go to the cafe for lunch. Sit for about 3 hours and then leave. I wished we had i phones back then I would have loved to document life in Paris. I would have been… Read more »

Softy
Softy
6 years ago

“These are real people folks, who are now facing ruin to pay for some politician’s desire to goose the economy ”

They are facing ruin becuuse they are idoits. Don’t blame anyone but them.

Bull! Bull! Bull!
Bull! Bull! Bull!
6 years ago

if Best place on meth is predicting the crash is cancelled then i’m starting to worry since he’s always wrong 🙁

victoria
victoria
6 years ago

Smarmy,

I suggest you go and live a few years in Paris, London, New York, Tokyo, Chicago etc. You will see what I mean.

World class hmmmmm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

from forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/02/new-york-paris-mumbai-rome-berlin-opinions-21-century-cities-09-world-class-cities.html

Best place on meth
Best place on meth
6 years ago

@Bull! Bull! Bull!

The crash is cancelled.

Please collect your door prize on the way out.

Laurey
Laurey
6 years ago

@Ponzi
That Aeroplan thing is the biggest scam in the Credit Card world.
a year ago i called them to close the account. they start arguing with me why i want to close account. Morons.

Son of Ponzi
Son of Ponzi
6 years ago

Check this one out.
Realtor pushing credit card.
http://www.shuchatgroup.com/blog.mobi/25-000-free-bonus-miles

HAM Solo
HAM Solo
6 years ago

New BC Court Foreclosure Filings for Wednesday Oct 9 (MTD in brackets)

Vancouver: 4 (33)
Kelowna: 3 (6)
Kamloops: 2 (6)
New West: 1 (9)
Nanaimo: 1 (8)
Duncan: 1 (1)
Victoria: 0 (13)

“Countrywide Cup” Foreclosure Lenders (MTD in Brackets)

Paradigm Quest: 3 (5)
Scotia: 2 (10)
CIBC: 1 (13)
Royal: 1 (5)
BMO: 1 (6)
First National: 1 (5)
TD: 0 (6)

Bit of a quiet day out there. Came across the name of one of my high school classmates in today’s filings. These are real people folks, who are now facing ruin to pay for some politician’s desire to goose the economy prior to a now long-forgotten election. Hangover of zero-down-zero lifestyle lasts longer than the buzz.

Many Franks
6 years ago

@Snake: Check out the numbers.

Good revenue property with main level renting for $775/month and legal basement suite renting for $775/month.

$1,150,000 investment for $1,550/mo rent.

Hey, if the assessment is the same as asking, rent will have covered property taxes after just the first quarter!

Bull! Bull! Bull!
Bull! Bull! Bull!
6 years ago

i’m confused, are we crashing right now, or are we still waiting for the crash?

Snake
Snake
6 years ago

mls watch Says buying a 1.5 million macmansion East of Fraser is odd.
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Land Size : 31.5 x 97.0 for $1.5 million

http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=13343528&PidKey=-882883988

Melba
Melba
6 years ago

“With 120 days to go until the start of the $51bn Winter Games, concerns over corruption as well as human rights remain”

That’s funny that the media is saying this now. The reason they call it the ‘Olympics’ was because ‘corruption’ was already taken.