Vancouver a graveyard for job seekers?

There’s been some discussion lately about the temporary foreign worker program (TFW) and whether Canada needs to import workers, skilled or unskilled.

This of course brings up the debate: companies say they can’t find people to fill positions, workers say thats just because you aren’t paying enough.

Is there something special about Vancouver that enables lower wages to be paid or are is it not true that Vancouverites tend to be underpaid?

Atomic Frog had this to say:

Here are some of the facts that I know of

Highly skilled and highly in demand workers do not stay in Vancouver. You get paid higher in another city and cost of living is likely lower than living in Vancouver. Local companies ALWAYS have problem hiring qualified applicants and if this snowball, they cannot stay in business for very long or be very competitive in their sector. What kind of industry is doing very well in Vancouver anyway these days? Movie industry? Mining? Tech? I work in the local IT industry for the last 20 yrs. I saw all kind of IT ppl who came to town, found a job and eventually left town after a couple of yrs because they had found a much better paying job in another city.

As a result, Vancouver is considered to be a graveyard for job seekers. Even for those who have a job, local salary has been stagnant for yrs. Without a steady stream of local workers who should see their annual salary go up steadily every yr, it is very difficult for this local property bubble to continue.

There are many cases in other parts of the world where property value goes up and stay there. Main reason being foreign investor, but the locals also keep making more money over the yrs. Prices that were higher five yrs ago may not seem to be that high for those cities. However, can we say the same thing for Vancouver?

Do you know skilled workers that have sought better career opportunities outside of Vancouver or are you and your coworkers properly compensated and happy to stay?

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I was a private school teacher in the Lower Mainland up until two years ago. I left for a private school job in Calgary that pays me more and I’m part if the Alberta Teacher’s Union…something I never had in BC, which sucked as my pay and working conditions were sub-par. I miss the Coast as I’m not a fan of long winters, but my pay and working conditions have gotten significantly better.

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Regarding prejudice, all homogeneous populated countries, which includes almost all of Europe and Asia, contain some of the MOST prejudiced people on earth.

When new immigrants complain that Canadians are prejudiced all I can think is yeah, I can just imagine what you’re thinking about Canadians and how it would be back in your country if I were living there because I have lived there and do know what/how you think.

Canada *is* a very tolerant place to live and most Canadians are very proud of this. As a society Canadians do not believe in discrimination and it is frowned upon. Does that mean it doesn’t exist? No.

Prejudice is wrong plain and simple, but there’s a huge amount of the the pot calling the kettle black.


@121: “There is a difference between tasteless ‘locust’ statements and pointing out the truth as this Chinese lady has”

She is giving her opinion without supporting evidence not the “truth” as the article notes in the opening:

Joy Mo, a Vancouver-area resident since 2002, says it is time to do something about the rich mainland Chinese she believes have priced locals like her out of the property market.

The true cause of this bubble is government policies (CMHC, banking, taxation) as they have been everywhere else.


Looks like someone compiled 32 pages worth of VCI comments which are “racist against Chinese” and put it on a PDF

That’s great, at least they will know what people think about all their shit as oppose to corrupted media.


here is the text of the article Joy Mo, a Vancouver-area resident since 2002, says it is time to do something about the rich mainland Chinese she believes have priced locals like her out of the property market. She cannot understand why Canadian politicians do not recognise a problem she says is plain to see. “I’m quite disappointed,” says the mother of two daughters, aged five and eight. “This is a place for all of us and if you drive all the local buyers out of the market, what is the community going to be?” Mo, 42, was also born in mainland China, but tells me she does not want to be “painted with the same brush” as the extremely wealthy migrants she partly blames for her family’s housing situation. She and her Canadian husband have been renting in the… Read more »


There is a difference between tasteless ‘locust’ statements and pointing out the truth as this Chinese lady has, quoted by a Chinese reporter published in a Chinese on line (and paper) newpaper


VMD- some of the comments are clearly very tasteless and beyond acceptable (and are usually voted down). I have commented on the excesses more than once.

However before anyone on any other forum points fingers here, they should remember that RE gets everyone hot and bothered:

1) There is a lot of vitriol between Japan and China and Phillipines and China over who owns some uninhabited Islands. It was getting close to conflict and very nasty things were said on both sides.

2) What would the reaction of Mainland Chinese be if almost all their prime RE was being bought by Taiwanese or Australians. Do you think it would be restricted to just forum anger?

3) In Hong Kong people even demonstrated over the Mainland Chinese buying their RE and eventually a 15% tax was enacted


Just saw this post on the Chinese RE forum which I used to frequent:

High housing prices causing racism against Chinese

Looks like someone compiled 32 pages worth of VCI comments which are “racist against Chinese” and put it on a PDF

just fyi


4/16/14 Richmond SFH:
Sales: 3 (Month to date: 72)
New List: 14
Inventory: 797

1. 11620 SEABROOK CR,Ironwood,Ask$718,000*,3d,Ass:$668,700*
2. 7291 PETTS RD,Broadmoor,Ask$4,099,900,0d,Ass:$2,163,000*
3. 12160 WOODHEAD RD,East Cambie,Ask$768,800,2d,Ass:$722,800*
* = above ask or above assessed


4/15/14 Richmond SFH:
Sales: 11 (Month to date: 69)
New List: 13
Inventory: 797

1. 10071 AINTREE CR,McNair,Ask:$858,000,11d,Ass:$774,300*
2. 10671 BISSETT DR,McNair,Ask:$875,000,9d,Ass:$776,000*
3. 7131 PETTS RD,Broadmoor,Ask:$950,000*,2d,Ass:$1,024,700*
4. 7280 NEVIS DR,Broadmoor,Ask:$1,988,800,73d,Ass:$1,761,000*
5. 4511 WINDJAMMER DR,Steveston South,Ask:$778,000,$655,000*
6. 10150 HOLLYMOUNT DR,Steveston North,Ask:$868,000,66d,Ass:$690,800*
7. 8580 CALDER RD,Lackner,Ask:$1,259,000*,4d,Ass:$1,167,000*
8. 4171 LANCELOT DR,Boyd Park,Ask:$958,800,30d,Ass:$837,000*
9. 7780 WILLOWFIELD DR,Quilchena,Ask:$1,178,000,18d,Ass:$1,028,000*
10.5744 MUSGRAVE CR,Terra Nova,Ask:$1,398,000,36d,Ass:$1,285,000*
11.12420 JENSEN DR,East Cambie,Ask:$878,000,21d,Ass:$835,000*
* = above ask or above assessed


4/16/14 Van West SFH:
Sales: 8 (Month to date: 88)
New List: 15
Inventory: 858
1. 2170 W 33RD AV,Quilchena,ask:$2,280,000,9d,Ass:$2,336,000
2. 1966 SASAMAT PL,Point Grey,ask:$3,888,000,29d,Ass:$3,381,000*
3. 8156 FREMLIN ST,Marpole,ask:$1,630,000,72d,Ass:$1,447,000*
4. 3337 W 2ND AV,Kitsilano,ask:$1,798,800*,8d,Ass:$1,567,000*
5. 3080 W 42ND AV,Kerrisdale,ask:$1,948,000*,7d,Ass:$1,771,000*
6. 3835 W 22ND AV,Dunbar,ask:$2,398,000,70d,Ass:$2,171,000*
7. 327 W 19TH AV,Cambie,ask:$1,488,000,21d,Ass:$1,293,600*
8. 404 W 17TH AV,Cambie,ask:$2,549,000,9d,Ass:$2,030,000*
* = above-asking or above-assessed


4/15/14 Van West SFH:
Sales: 6 (Month to date: 80)
New List: 14
Inventory: 854
1. 95 W 47TH AV,Oakridge,Ask:$1,399,000*,32d,Ass:$1,207,700*
2. 129 W 45TH AV,Oakridge,Ask:$1,888,000,16d,Ass:$1,462,500*
3. 4109 QUESNEL DR, MacKenzie Heights,Ask:$1,988,000*,6d,Ass:$2,005,200*
4. 3304 W 6TH AV,Kitsilano,Ask:$1,599,000,21d,Ass:$1,473,000*
5. 5026 DUNBAR ST,Dunbar,Ask:$1,558,000,15d,Ass:$1,388,800*
6. 3589 W KING EDWARD AV,Dunbar,Ask:$1,780,000,13d,Ass:$1,660,400*
* = above-asking or above-assessed


only 3 West Van SFH sales the last two days, two went to HAM

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New Listings 287
Price Changes 108
Sold Listings 170

Happy Easter and long weekend VCI!


lol.. A $20,000 fine that was probably enacted some time in 1970-1980 that has since eroded through inflation and now equal to commissions earned on one or two sold condos. MAC will get a slap on the hand and continue on.

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Whisperer has posted that something finally may be happening with the RECBC investigation into MAC Marketing Solutions and the whole Chris Lee/Amanda Lee scam last year.

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Are you sure? It seems to be a vital and integral part of the culture back in their homeland.

After graduation they’re well prepared to enter the big leagues – ripping off technology, intellectual property, trademarks and patents.