Vancouver a graveyard for job seekers?

There’s been some discussion lately about the temporary foreign worker program (TFW) and whether Canada needs to import workers, skilled or unskilled.

This of course brings up the debate: companies say they can’t find people to fill positions, workers say thats just because you aren’t paying enough.

Is there something special about Vancouver that enables lower wages to be paid or are is it not true that Vancouverites tend to be underpaid?

Atomic Frog had this to say:

Here are some of the facts that I know of

Highly skilled and highly in demand workers do not stay in Vancouver. You get paid higher in another city and cost of living is likely lower than living in Vancouver. Local companies ALWAYS have problem hiring qualified applicants and if this snowball, they cannot stay in business for very long or be very competitive in their sector. What kind of industry is doing very well in Vancouver anyway these days? Movie industry? Mining? Tech? I work in the local IT industry for the last 20 yrs. I saw all kind of IT ppl who came to town, found a job and eventually left town after a couple of yrs because they had found a much better paying job in another city.

As a result, Vancouver is considered to be a graveyard for job seekers. Even for those who have a job, local salary has been stagnant for yrs. Without a steady stream of local workers who should see their annual salary go up steadily every yr, it is very difficult for this local property bubble to continue.

There are many cases in other parts of the world where property value goes up and stay there. Main reason being foreign investor, but the locals also keep making more money over the yrs. Prices that were higher five yrs ago may not seem to be that high for those cities. However, can we say the same thing for Vancouver?

Do you know skilled workers that have sought better career opportunities outside of Vancouver or are you and your coworkers properly compensated and happy to stay?

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UBC in crisis mode
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UBC in crisis mode

Talking about under-employed, what’s the realtor hunger index this month? Better indicator than HPI.

RFM
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RFM

The VANCOUVER REALTOR HUNGER INDEX for March 2014 was 60%. How does this compare? The 17-year average for March is 41%. At 60%, the 2014 March VRHI was the third highest in the last 17 years, surpassed only by 64% in March 2013 and 65% in March 1998 and equal to the 60% in March 2009.

Details and comparison data for 17 years at: http://vancouverpeak.com/Thread-Vancouver-Realtor-Hunger-Index

Bull! Bull! Bull!!!!!
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Bull! Bull! Bull!!!!!

please take the time to learn some mandarin every day. it is such a beautiful language and learning it will enrich your life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN9iXlfxpxI

total_confusion
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total_confusion
I’m a computer programmer who lives in Vancouver but I work for a company based in Silicon Valley. This is because Vancouver is well-known to pay less than anywhere else in Canada. I speak to recruiters fairly often (when they email or call me) and we discuss rates and they freely acknowledge this. I make roughly 50% more than I would if I worked for a Vancouver-based company. Back when I worked locally and was interviewing candidates, we had a lot of trouble finding people. Many recent immigrants had shoddy skills and were clearly trained in “universities” that placed an emphasis on rote learning of certain technologies with little understanding of theory or skills outside their very limited, and for us useless (ie .Net and Microsoft in general) domains. So, if you are willing to work for less just to… Read more »
midnight toker
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midnight toker

Total_confusion – you know anyone looking for a network specialist?

Bailinginbc – that van city buzz site is a hilarious den of trolls. I think we should all pay them a visit.

pips
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pips

My husband has been working for the same wage for 5 years. He recently got a new job in the same field which he is over qualified for. His manager often asks him for advice and is impressed by his technical abilities and knowledge of the other departments’ responsibilities.
He took a pay cut to work for this company to get better benefits and the possible opportunity to advance. (There were no such opportunities at other work places)

We live below the poverty line.

An Observer
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I agree with total_confusion. With my last company when I needed to hire someone I would get 50+ applicants which I staggered in 10 minute intervals for “interviews”. Instead they would get a test that asked basic questions about the skills needed for the job – really simple multiple choice, no trick questions, anyone with any real experience or knowledge would get 90%+ etc etc. These were not entry level positions Out of 50 applicants you’d think I had a dream team of applicants on paper but I’d be lucky to get 3 or 4 who scored above 75% and almost all hovered between 25% and 50% – there were only 4 choices for each question and yes there were always a bunch of people who scored below 25%… Anyways, those 3 or 4 would get real interviews and in… Read more »
subject-sion
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subject-sion

the most lucrative job in Vancouver, or Canada, but especially the West Coast is Motherhood.

do you see what the Government bankers gives for simply popping out a baby? $1000 to $1300 per month

For men, once the Goo money starts rolling in.. and your mate gets her hands on it.. she starts to look at you and starts factoring your contribution and how it affects the total amount the goo gives.. well… it’s over buddy…you’re out the door and Government Daddy comes walking in…

Divide and Conquer.. they have their ways!!!

An Observer
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An Observer

One other comment about my last post, the look on the applicants face when I told them there would be a test was 100% accurate in determining how well people ended up doing. Smiles = success, horror / deer in headlights / disgust = 25%. Many would actually leave a minute after they sat down without even saying bye!

pips
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I should edit, so that I’m still on topic. We would leave the country if we had the resources, but circumstances are such that we have to remain in the gvrd. There are still people fighting for these underpaid positions, but obviously anyone with skills of any kind and no family ties is crazy to stay.

pips
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pips

Also, I can’t even believe that I’m posting this, but as a mother living under the poverty line, I get $400 per month. Period.
I work from home, so daycare is only $200 a month and I spend $50-100 on diapers. I use cloth, I make as many clothes as I can. Hell, I make the laundry soap myself. I make all the meals and we eat a lot of vegetables and beans.
If I wanted to “stop being lazy” and make someone else watch my kid, it would run me a minimum of $1k a month. Per kid.

It isn’t even worth me finding a”real” job. I do the math every two or three months. It’s depressing.

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My job in Vancouver is a rarity. I work in the industrial sector for a Calgary based company whose market is primarily in the US. I am well compensated both from a salary and benefits perspective when I compare what I earn to friends in the lower mainland however it is difficult to do an apples-to-apples comparison as my employer is the only shop in town for what we do. I genuinely feel that one of the main reasons that salaried compensation is so good is due largely to the fact that our operations are unionized. The unionized employees are well compensated with an average wage over $100K/year and to be blunt, probably should be closer to $60K for what they do. I digress with the union mention (sorry Patriotz), the point is the Vancouver subsidy. Our HQ is in… Read more »
vancouver programmers
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vancouver programmers

computer science departments at UBC and SFU are full of plagiarism. no wonder there are so many unqualified people lying on their resumes.

RFM
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RFM

I have friends who work conventions at the convention center. On-call, part time. Several years ago the average convention paid $13-$14 an hour. In the last year, most are paying $12 an hour. They arrange the shifts so that you get minimal number of breaks and never get to any overtime. Then they demand top customer service skills. That all being said, there seems to be a constant supply of people willing to work for these wages, with long periods of no conventions = no jobs.

Burnabonian
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Burnabonian

Someone touched a nerve with Burnabonian.

To the parents seeking the Internet’s pity because keeping the children that they sired turned out to be (gasp!) expensive, maybe try owning the outcome of your life choices instead of playing victim?

It can be empowering.

(Also if you’re broke and living off your fellow taxpayers, maybe you don’t have time to bitch about real estate on Internet forums?)

South for the winter
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South for the winter
I too am a software/web developer. I was lucky enough to leave the vancouver “job market” about 4 years ago. I moved to soCal and even though its one of the most expensive places in the US, its nothing compared to Vancouver. Even though i consider myself underpaid here its probably 30% higher than what i could find in Vancouver. Vancouver seasoned developer i noticed should expect between 60-75K/yr and that’s a very competitive salary. Ask yourself, what can you afford with 75K/ year? after crazy Canadian taxes, gas prices, cost of living, food prices, restaurants etc.. there isn’t much left. I have a friend who recently moved back to Canada, he was looking for a job that would be about 20% less than he made here in the States, he ended up accepting an offer for 50% less than… Read more »
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“End of housing boom will be costly, Scotiabank warns”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/end-of-housing-boom-will-be-costly-scotiabank-warns-1.2612405

“Canada’s long housing cycle is turning,” the Bank of Nova Scotia said in a research note Wednesday. “We expect the sector will remain on a more subdued trajectory over the next several years, imposing a modest drag on … growth.”

One Migrant Economy
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One Migrant Economy

@ Burnabonian
you are clueless.

subject-sion has touched a nerve with you because he speaks the truth. The government must, must, must, GIVE, GIVE, GIVE, money to people (Mothers, Bogus Disability Pensioners, etc, etc..) to keep prices high or simply to keep them from falling. Not enough discussion on this forum about this matter.. There’s now a story about ICBC handing back money.. this is part of the process to KEEP PRICES UP

space889
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@pips – so how do those people who scored less than 50% kept their current job? I would imagine that they have to actually write code that works sufficiently well to keep jobs?? Maybe you are asking questions out of their domain (eg. C++ vs Java) or questions with answers that depends on your philisophical view?? I just have a very hard time imaging these type of people would be able to keep their jobs if they are that bad. @vancouver programmers – I think SFU has a much tougher stance on plagarism than UBC. However, when profs themselves rip off assignments and exam questions and lecture notes off other profs online, just how seriously do you expect the students to be about plagarism? UBC I have to admit pretty much give up on catching cheats. I was once a… Read more »
space889
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space889

Oh and yes I did raise the point with the prof but it was too much work for me to present 180+ cases of plagarism. It did make marking them a lot easier though, so I guess that is a plus. Saved UBC some $$ there.

T
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Third bank joins in sounding the alarm of potential housing correction. First TD, than RBC, now Scotia.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/end-of-housing-boom-will-be-costly-scotiabank-warns-1.2612405

OV
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OV

> I think SFU has a much tougher stance on plagarism than UBC. However, when profs themselves rip off assignments and exam questions and lecture notes off other profs online, just how seriously do you expect the students to be about plagarism?

are you fucking kidding me?

wut?
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wut?

@space889

which ethnic group makes up the majority of UBC computer science students?

Burnabonian
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Burnabonian
Weird to see the change in the Big 5’s attitudes towards correction. A few years ago they wouldn’t have said shit if their mouths were full of it; like they were terrified that a single butterfly fart could trigger a stampede to the exits. Now it’s the other way around. They’re issuing belt-fed press releases designed to terrify the mortgage market and actually recant their own primary talking point about housing always going up. What has changed? The cynic in me says that if they’re willing to yell “fire” in a crowded theatre like this, it must be much worse than they’re letting on. Like space aliens landing on the roof, zombie godzilla eating buildings, fire-is-the-least-of-your-worries bad. But maybe, just maybe, they’ve seen the error of their ways and have decided to be candid, reasonable, and forthcoming with the public… Read more »
Lifetime Renter
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Lifetime Renter

Revealing stats from salaryexplorer.com regarding wages in the IT sector (monthly income):

Canada: Average: $5673
Median: $5425

California: Average: $7528
Median: $6667

And if you look hard enough behind in the distance, you just might see the BPOE coming up the rear:

B.C. Average: $5205
Median: $5000

By far the most expensive urban centre in Canada pays far less than the national average. As for the difference with Cali, WOW! And my understanding of this website is that incomes are reported in national currencies making that gap even wider.

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