Is Vancouver lost without a Compass?

In Vancouver everything is about real estate.

Yes, EVERYTHING.

Even that bus you take to get to your weed dispensary before yoga class.

Thats why it’s so disappointing that our world class fare gates are still not working.  This is the system that was supposed to be ready in 2008 but has been delayed over and over again. It’s a $194 million dollar solution that isn’t quite a solution yet.

Once in place this system should put a stop to fare evasion which is currently estimated to be a loss of at least $10 million per year. Well, hopefully it’s at least $10 mil per year, since we’ll be paying $12 million per year for operating costs once the system is working.

Fortunately this is all happening in Vancouver which means whether the transit system is losing money in fare evasion or through operating costs it can always make that money back in real estate.

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Bull! Bull! Bull!
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Bull! Bull! Bull!

the irony here is that the vast majority of vancouverities wanted this crappy system.

i knew from the very beginning that it was a mistake and that translink wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

fishstix
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fishstix

Why all the bitching and moaning about the costs of providing quality services? $200 mil is not a lot of money when spread out amongst the population. Try going to a city with out proper transit and without the skytrain system and see how you like it. Any new ssystem has issues at first that need to be worked out, its not like everything is flawless from the start. ONce compass is in place it will make our good transit system even better, more efficient and easier to use for everyone.

thenonymous
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thenonymous

@bullbullbull: you seem to have known everything in hindsight, what magic power is this?

Shame you can’t use that skill to predict the future 🙂

Shut It Down Already
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Shut It Down Already

Anybody who lived in London during the Oyster Card rollout could have seen this coming a mile away – and they already had ticket barriers in place. The frustrating part here in Vancouver is that this new system will cost more than the fare evasion it’s meant to prevent.

taylor192
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The compass card “swipe out” is a bad idea that we’re throwing good money at to try to make work.

Ditch fare zones and eliminate the swipe out completely.

If our mayors are serious about being “green” then ditch the fare zones. Use the money spent on bike lanes to subsidize transit, then we can have a single fare zone and no swipe out non-sense.

taylor192
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70% of Canadians own real estate.
29% have enough money to contact a financial adviser to invest.

Sad.

Slagathor
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Slagathor

….70% of Canadians own real estate.
29% have enough money to contact a financial adviser to invest. ….

And the remaining 1% are wise enough to avoid both real estate and financial advisers.

taylor192
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space889
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space889
@fishstix – this kind of system is in use tons of places already with far bigger and more variety public transit infrasture. We aren’t rolling out a first of its kind bleeding edged newest next next generation technology here. If this project is done properly, all the hardware and system should really all be off the shelf and all you really need to add in all the bus routes, pricing structure, and field test the hardware. The fact that this system is $200M in cost already and nowhere near ready means it is a huge waste of taxpayer money, that could have been much better used elsewhere – like say an elevated rapid transit line to UBC that would remove all those long #99 buses from Broadway for use elsewhere, encourage more transit use, and actually give CoV more redevelopment… Read more »
Shut It Down Already
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Shut It Down Already

#5, or ditch the card. Of course that won’t happen because once fares are digitally centralized they’ll be able to jack them up every month if they choose.

space889
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space889

Well, income splitting and higher UCCB is in! But not more child tax credit. Let the cry of Chinese immigrants abuse of this benefit begin!!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-unveils-income-splitting-tax-cut-expands-monthly-child-benefit/article21386549/

Bull! Bull! Bull!
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Bull! Bull! Bull!

@thenonymous

i predicted that all of you would be priced, and you are. the future is now. live in your moment.

arit
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Patriotz,

Congrats on your purchase! I just saw the news today. I always had the greatest respect for you and your RE knowledge, so much I am pretty sure Patriotz==Pope.

A rent multiplier of 200? In metro vancouver? Or is it not in Metro Vancouver?
I am with 200 too. Are we there yet??? Haven’t seen it in my area.

Cheers

arit (following the arit 10 year plan from 2006 thank you very much)

Cheers to all!

midnite toker
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midnite toker

Here’s an example of our world class cities transit system.

I had to from near the main bus station in port coquitlam to Lonsdale quay last weekend. Not exactly off the beaten path.

Google told me it would be a 33 minute drive, or an hour and 45 minute drive. Wow

I also had to remember to find exact change for the bus because compass

thenonymous
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thenonymous

Welcome back Arit, keep reading that property wasn’t in Vancouver it was in Ottawa.

patriotz
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@9: “The fact that this system is $200M in cost already and nowhere near ready means it is a huge waste of taxpayer money, that could have been much better used elsewhere – like say an elevated rapid transit line to UBC”

A good example of how out of touch people are on the cost of building rapid transit. Elevated rail would cost at least $50 mil/km, which means $200mil wouldn’t even get it to Granville St.

And elevated rail isn’t going to happen in the West Side anyway. The Canada Line could have been built far more cheaply elevated but it wasn’t.

Meanwhile Ottawa is doing just fine with its barrier free system and will use it for its new LRT.

patriotz
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@13:

Thanks and welcome back Arit. As noted I didn’t buy in Vancouver and wouldn’t at anywhere near current prices.

Marco
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Marco

Translink says it’s a public company. Therefore is able to collect tax on a lot. Example: 17cents on gas in Translink areas. More in the article below. Yet it’s going to be buying up more land for revenue stream. Not just for stations and track. Seems they’re going the way of BC ferries with the perks of collecting public tax.

http://buzzer.translink.ca/2013/03/translink-101-where-does-translink-get-its-funding-and-how-do-we-spend-it/

Cheers.

@4
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@4
“The frustrating part here in Vancouver is that this new system will cost more than the fare evasion it’s meant to prevent.” Not if they lay off the fare checkers (transit police) who make $100K plus per year each and stand in pairs checking fares. They do the same job as the kid at a movie theater who they only need one to check tickets for minimum wage. About 10% of the cost to check tickets. Transit police which 95% of their job is checking fares cost over $30 million per year. That could pay off the compass pretty quick. They could also sell all the transit police cars which I see everywhere. I still can’t figure out why transit police drive around in cars. You’d think they could take skytrain and police it while traveling. Nope they drive to… Read more »
Marco
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Marco

Left out… 17cents per litre tax on gas….

Marco
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Marco

@19

Translink will be making plenty of money developing land with private companies.

Cheers.

momofponzi
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momofponzi

Wow it only took 11 posts before a someone took a cut at minorities on a topic that didn’t reference any. New record?

Bull! Bull! Bull!
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Bull! Bull! Bull!

@19

obviously they aren’t going to lay off transit police since the lines still need security.

Shut It Down Already
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Shut It Down Already

#23, they’ll also need to keep people in the stations to deal with ticketing problems and glitches. Like I said, I used to live in London during the Oyster rollout. Even now I think most London commuters shudder when the automated ticket barrier tells then to “Seek Assistance”. When the station isn’t manned they’ll probably leave the barriers open.

paulb
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