No More Hospital in Downtown Vancouver?

A couple of weeks ago VCI commenter Corrupt in Canada linked to a story over at VanCityBuzz reporting that BC NDP MLA Spencer Chandra-Herbert was upset the provincial government was on the verge of reneging its promise to revitalize and expand St. Paul’s Hospital.

Three years ago Premiere Christy Clark pledged half a billion dollars to improve the hospital, but nothing has been done to this date.

In the original article VanCity Buzz reached out to the BC Ministry of Health who had this response:

Government remains firmly committed to revitalizing St. Paul’s Hospital. St. Paul’s Hospital is an important part of the network of hospitals in the Lower Mainland, serving a large and growing population from downtown Vancouver, and from across the region. We are continuing to work with Providence Healthcare on the best way to revitalize the hospital for the communities it serves. We must make sure that this fits within the future long term vision of health care in the region and across the province, focusing on more comprehensive community services and a partnership between Lower Mainland hospitals.

We must also ensure that St. Paul’s Hospital can continue to serve the community while the revitalization project is underway.

So we know that most of you will be utterly surprised that Providence Health Care just announced that St. Paul’s will be closed and a new facility will be built in East Van.

Shocked even!

The west end MLA took his disappointment over this announcement to twitter:

St. Paul’s Hospital proved it’s worth during the Stanley Cup riots. Viaduct, bridges, + Skytrain all closed. No way out of downtown. downtown Vancouver needs an emergency room, especially in an emergency. In an earthquake all exits out of downtown may be closed.

Of course there may be a much better use of the land the current hospital sits upon: CONDOS!

Plus new hospital in East Van just has to drive up property values there right?

Win-win.

 

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Randy Randerson
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Randy Randerson

So…the government will demolish St Paul’s hospital because it’s prohibitively expensive because of seismic upgrade, and the land possibly sold to developers.

Now how do we know the new condo will have the required earthquake protection and be able to withstand the Big One? It could be made of paper mache for all we know…

West Coast Woman
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West Coast Woman
While there is a lot more land to build on in the False Creek flats site, is that really the best place to put the hospital? Most of the False Creek flats are infill, created by the dumping of the excess soil when the CPR built the railroad through the Grandview Cut. Is that land stable enough to put a major hospital on, and will the buildings there survive a mega-thrust earthquake in an area possibly subject to liquifaction and flooding in the event of such an earthquake? With respect to the West End site, I think some historical perspective is useful. The original “designers” of Vancouver had the foresight to put the hospital on the highest point of land in the West End, which also happened to be centrally located for the whole downtown peninsula. Right across the street,… Read more »
Corrupt in Canada
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Corrupt in Canada

Your very own politicians shortsightedness selling you out for a quick buck.

Corrupt in Canada indeed!

patriotz
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@2: “Most of the False Creek flats are infill, created by the dumping of the excess soil when the CPR built the railroad through the Grandview Cut. ”

Great Northern Railway.

“When the school populations declined, the City sold the publicly owned school lands off for a quick profit and the Wall Centre was built”

Vancouver School Board, not the City.

“(I think Gordon Campbell was Mayor at the time, but I’m not positive.)”

The school closure goes back well before that. A large, old elementary school on the east side of Burrard didn’t make much sense. It was replaced by a new school in the middle of the West End.

These might sound like nitpicks but who owns what matters.

patriotz
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It was one of the cheapest condos in Vancouver, and sold under asking

“At that price range, you get a lot of investors who just want the cheapest price,” listing agent Ian Watt says. “They don’t fall in love with it – they just want it to make mathematical sense.”

And how does it make mathematical sense?

The investor who purchased it plans to use it as a furnished rental.

By the hour perhaps?

southseacompany
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southseacompany

“House prices in Toronto, Vancouver hit record in March”
“The national house price index showed a third increase in as many months.”

http://www.thestar.com/business/2015/04/14/house-prices-in-toronto-vancouver-hit-record-in-march.html

“House prices were up in eight of 11 of Canada’s major housing markets in March over February and hit new records in the two biggest cities, Vancouver and Toronto, according to new housing data released Tuesday.”

“Even beleaguered Calgary, where house sales were down more than 36 per cent in March over a year ago in the wake of slumping oil, house prices held relatively steady, up 0.2 per cent over February, according to the Teranet statistics.”

southseacompany
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southseacompany

“Why it’s tougher than ever to predict where interest rates will go next”, Financial Post

http://business.financialpost.com/investing/why-its-tougher-than-ever-to-predict-where-interest-rates-will-go-next

“Wrapping up his speech to a crowd at Western University in late February, Bank of Canada governor Stephen Poloz said that “it’s an exciting time to be a central banker.””

“All eyes will be on Poloz Wednesday as the Bank of Canada makes its next interest rate announcement. Economists widely expect the Bank to maintain the overnight rate at 0.75%, with a slim chance of another cut. But really, who knows?”

Softy
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Softy

“Before the St. Paul’s site is lost to the public forever, there should be full and open consultation with the public as to how that land should be used, without it’s current inflated market value being used as the primary reason to sell it for private residential development.”

Providence Health has to come up with $500 million to contribute to the construction of the new hospital. How will it get the money if not sell the old site for condos?

Dave
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I have dealt with Spencer Chandra-Herbert directly and he is a two faced scumbag. I guess that comes with the territory though. Ya, the new building is going to sink into the ground after an earthquake, but the old one built with bricks will be just fine. What a dummy.

It’s not like they are moving the hospital to Hope. It’s being moved a couple kilometres and it’s still downtown. Not only that, it’s closer to where downtown has had all the population growth in the last 10 years.

vangrl
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vangrl

“In its latest world economic outlook, the International Monetary Fund urges the Bank of Canada to keep up easy monetary policy to stave off the oil shock effects. But at the same time, it highlights the risk from Canada’s hot housing market, calling for close watch from Ottawa and the government-backed CMHC. Greg Bonnell reports.”

“ottawa could be doing more… tighter cap on debt to income ratio… higher risk weights on insured mortgages…. eliminate the government role entirely…”

http://www.bnn.ca/Video/player.aspx?vid=591368

Slagathor
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Slagathor

Why wouldn’t they just build a new St. Paul’s hospital in Nelson Park (kitty corner to the current St. Paul’s), then turn the old St. Paul’s into a new Nelson Park? Oh ya, fewer ways to throw Developers a bone with that option.

Cat in the hat
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Cat in the hat

4 words,

H-A-M

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

All this yapping about the transit tax referendum when my biggest concern is the downward spiral of health care.

We have the majority of immigrants these days pouring into Vancouver and Toronto, and getting a routine specialist appointment now takes 3-6 months and getting longer all the time.

An MRI is a 12-14 month wait, just to get a diagnosis so that your doctor can then figure out which kind of treatment should begin.

A million more people are coming to Vancouver?

We’re fucked.

space889
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space889

@Corrupt in Canada – And the stupidest thing here is that private corporations gets all the benefits, taxpayers get the hose, and politicans basically gave away all those profits for nothing, well aside from maybe some promise of a high paying job after they leave politics, and off courses a few million in campaign donations.

And Canadians can proudly pat themselves on the back saying, see? We have no corruption, our politicians don’t take bribes like those scums from China.

Yah! But the end result is same, public is hosed and profits are privatized. At least with China, the government can actually at least recover some of the bribes if they choose, as they are doing now.

space889
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space889

@Cat in the hat – that’s 3 letters, learn to count.

Oh I forgot…new math cirriculum…old style rote memorization and countings are not allowed anymore.

Nope, you got do the 35-15 the new way:
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 5 = 35

5 + 10 + 5 = 20 => answers.

Yeah…this is really going to prep our kids to compete against Europe and Asia.

patriotz
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@11:

Well of the top of my head:

1. I don’t think the residents of the West End would like to see the hospital moved to the north side of Thurlow in the middle of a residential area with more restricted access.

2. I don’t think said residents would like their park moved between Thurlow and Burrard either.

3. The land value of the site would not be realized which means a few hundred million more $ would have to be paid by a BC government which is obviously not willing to pay it.

space889
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space889
@Softy – Isn’t health a provincial responsibility? If they can find $500M for that BC Place roof, or a billion here or there for their favorite cause or tax cuts, I don’t think finding $400M for a new hospital is really going to be an issue if they really care about it. But the fact is they don’t. Health care and pretty much everything else is only a secondary nuisance to giving away as much profit and assets to their corporate donor at the lowest cost as fast as possible. Regardless of what Dave says, that NDP MLA does have a point. St Paul hospital location is extremely good for serving the people of West End, downtown business district, and False Creek. Moving it outside of downtown is not good for downtown residences. And no False Creek is NOT downtown.… Read more »
Bull! Bull! Bull!
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Bull! Bull! Bull!

we don’t need hospitals, we need more traditional chinese medicine practitioners.

Kwantlen gets B.C.’s 1st public school of Chinese medicine

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kwantlen-gets-b-c-s-1st-public-school-of-chinese-medicine-1.2510060

VanRant
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VanRant

Coming soon to Richmond?
“Chinese police chase corruption suspects in Australian suburbs”
http://www.smh.com.au/world/chinese-police-chase-corruption-suspects-in-australian-suburbs-20150414-1mkwd2.html

Cat in the hat
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Cat in the hat

space 888

Can’t talk a joke? It is a health hazard if the two butt cheeks of yours in too tight of a formation, perhaps constipation, indigestion and gas visited all too often in your life?

Say Hmmmmmmmmm, and let it resonate in your head for 3 sec.

Bull! Bull! Bull!
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Bull! Bull! Bull!

traditional Chinese medicine doesn’t prescribe to the germ theory of disease.

instead disease is perceived as a disharmony (or imbalance) in the functions or interactions of yin, yang, qi, xuĕ, zàng-fǔ, meridians etc. and/or of the interaction between the human body and the environment.

so their is not point getting measles vaccination.

Dave
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Madashell, I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.

As far as the flow of Chinese money into Vancouver goes, I consider these developments to be bullish for real estate. Consider that chasing these guys down is less about the money and more about politics. Since the government is picking and choosing who to target, it will probably scare more money to leave China because you might be the one they target next.

Bull! Bull! Bull!
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Bull! Bull! Bull!

the ‘fox hunt’ is just a typical communist party purge. nothing more, nothing less. they always cloak these purges with rhetoric to make them seem as if they are doing a public good. only the most naive people fall for it.

Yunak
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Yunak

@22 the ‘fox hunt’ is just a typical communist party purge. nothing more, nothing less

Of course, it is just smoke and mirrors before their locust long-term-strategy of getting their crap out and fucking the rest of the west up.

If St.Paul Hospital goes away local community should at least build one hospice nearby as a good deed and to guard neighborhood from primitivism and stupidity.

space889
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space889

@Bull! Bull! Bull! – Maybe you should actually study something before pretending you know the stuff and shut it out like a fool.

And beside, which branch of TCM are you talking about anyways? Unlike homeopathy, TCM actually works for a lot of people and a lot of stuff in naturalpathy derive from aspects of TCM.

But realistically I can’t expect too much from the likes of you who still believes that bible is an actual history book.

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