We suspect Vancouver isn’t actually ‘hell on earth’…

Occasionally we have some commenters here who seem to be pretty sure (or at least proclaim to be pretty sure) that Vancouver is hell on earth.

We suspect this isn’t entirely true, because most anyone you meet here has the ability to move away to a number of other options yet they hang around.

But  one recent comment references the fear that Vancouver will become ‘hell on earth’ by slowly crushing the economy into two strata:

Soon there will be two classes of Vancouverites.

The service class will live in 200 square foot mini-apartments, twenty such units per building, working for 50,000 dollars a year, paying 2,500 a month in rent, and paying a big chunk of their paychecks on taxes at the provincial and federal levels to pay for schools, hospitals, universities, and the coast guard. They will service the rich class and take the bus to get there.

The rich class will live in 7,000 square foot rectangular box houses, worth three million each, ridiculously crammed on 45 foot lots, their BMWs and Bugattis parked out front. Each household will claim poverty status, claiming to be earning just ten thousand dollars a year. That way the wives and kids and grandparents in those houses will not have to pay anything for their healthcare and education. It is all paid for by the income taxes of the suckers in the service class.

Meanwhile, unknown to Ottawa or Victoria, the businessman head of those rich homes is earning a million dollars a year in China, in activities that are often associated with phrases like “rule breaking” and “money laundering”.

That allows them to own another three houses and condominiums in Vancouver, places that are empty, places the government thinks his kids and nephews own because he put their names on the deeds.

Vancouver is turning into hell on earth.

Original comment from a Globe and Mail article referenced by Yunak.

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StupidityCheck
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That certainly is the direction this city is headed, to the absolute delight of B!B!B! and space boy.

Bestplaceonearth
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Sourgrape with sense of entitlement, what else is new?

There are miserable people with #donthaveamillion and there are happy people with #dontneedamillion.

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Remember this:

Your racism is boring us all

People were in denial for so long. Now it’s probably too late. Listen to Bull x 3 and learn mandarin.

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Hell on earth is the people’s shithole of china.

The same people who made that place a hellhole are fleeing that dump, coming here and repeating the process.

Yunak
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Somewhat related…

One would wonder why we (Vancouver,BC, Canada…) got so deeply impacted and involved with all that craziness, social, economic, demographic, cultural shit produced by one country that did nothing right in the last hundred years but ruined their own people, land and millions of others along the process. Nothing comes to mind but grid, vanity, laziness and stupidity of our politicians that made and allowed that to happen.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-14/is-xi-s-economy-more-distorted-than-mao-s-goldman-s-ha-says-yes

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@Yunak

You really think that PC locals crying racism whenever the issue came up had anything to do with it?

Yunak
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@6

Of course, but most of them were part of the process, tasked to do shit and “switch thesis”, they also had unlimited access to media channels. The smaller part of those were just naive and got sold on crap of formers.

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Christy Clark and Gregor Robertson celebrate the founding of the People’s Republic of China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACNtorkNKGU

Westside Realtor
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Westside Realtor

Okay Bulls,

Riddle me this – why have Westside SFH sales plummeted?

?

‘nough said.

WSR

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(reposted from end of previous thread)
@207 Diadora
@208 BPOM

Your remarks are obviously jocular. However, serious minds are grappling, via the process of “re-imagination”, with the concept that the European colonization of BC was not quite whatever we think it was…or will be. Whether Hell has a place there, I cannot say!
I refer to the work of Dr Henry Yu, Associate Professor, History Dept, UBC. From his UBC bio:

“Henry Yu is involved in the collaborative effort to reimagine the history of Vancouver and of British Columbia through the concept of “Pacific Canada,” a perspective that focuses on how migrants from Asia, Europe, and other parts of the Americas engaged with each other and with First Nations peoples historically.”

http://www.history.ubc.ca/people/henry-yu

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Anyone who thinks Vancouver is a “hell on earth” needs to travel more. And not inside the confines of their own mind.

That said, as Canada accepts an increasing proportion of immigrants from authoritarian regimes and from failing or failed states, wherein corruption and violence are the norm, and rule of law and democracy are unheard of, we can expect Canada to look more and more like them.

Whether they be rich (PRC) or poor (Somalia).

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Vancouver’s Own Not-So-Quiet Revolution

It struck me last weekend when I was shopping in Kitsilano what an aberration that neighborhood is—one of the few areas in Vancouver that has not been transformed in the last three decades by new migration from Asia—Kits for instance does not have a significant ethnic Chinese Canadian presence in a city where almost every other neighborhood has percentages of ethnic Chinese that range from 20% to 55%. What is wrong with Kits? The same thing that is wrong with so many newsrooms and boardrooms in Vancouver, where a quick glance around at who shapes opinion and leadership decisions reveals a blinding uniformity of faces as white as driven snow.

https://www.history.ubc.ca/documents/faculty/Quiet_Revolution_Yu.pdf

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@8

What is it that Dumb & Dumber are celebrating exactly?

The takeover of China by a totalitarian regime? The subsequent murder of 50 million people by the communists? The complete absence of human rights or rule of law over there?

What a pair of worthless traitors, not just to our country but to all things decent in the world that millions have fought and died for.

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Vancouver as “hell on earth” is obviously a first world definition of hell on earth. For the most part it’s a pretty damn nice part of the world. Sure some places are grim, especially on a grey, wet day. Beyond the downtown eastside i’m thinking of those depressing, characterless areas covered in those mouldy yellow store awnings with names like AAA1 Best “insert whatever product being sold”. Imaginative signage indeed. Other good stuff: great outdoors access, law and order, safety, air quality, stable government, plenty of decent restaurants, patios etc. Bad: traffic (but no worse than many, many cities; segregation of communities into ethnic areas without any significant integration Fucking awful: trying to buy a SFH and raise a family if you didn’t already buy 10-15 years ago (and not being called “entitled”). Had i bought a house back in… Read more »
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The people in power don’t care about Vancouver. Why are you?

Let it go to hell…..

This influx of people is going to lead to inequality and future crime. The rich in their detached homes won’t be safe…they will get robbed etc.

The young professionals whose parents don’t own are going to leave for the USA –> better pay and cheaper housing equals 100% increase in standard of living.

I have friends in their 30’s thinking of retraining here in Canada (subsidized education) and then going to the USA with a TN visa.

Rape Canada apparently everyone else is doing it.

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“Riddle me this – why have Westside SFH sales plummeted?”

Lack of inventory.

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Interestingly, the modern Chinese state was created because the Han majority wanted to eliminate the Manchu minority emperor and court because they were ethnically different from themselves.

“To restore our national independence, we must first restore the Chinese nation. To restore the Chinese nation, we must drive the barbarian Manchus back to the Changbai Mountains. To get rid of the barbarians, we must first overthrow the present tyrannical, dictatorial, ugly, and corrupt Qing government. Fellow countrymen, a revolution is the only means to overthrow the Qing government!”

Sun Yat-Sen

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The “hell on earth” comment sounds like the inane ramblings of the sort of person you’d expect to find on a street corner, hurling their neverending stream of unfiltered consciousness at anybody unfortunate enough to to be within earshot. There’s zero application of common sense when making ridiculous claims, and would get you laughed away from any serious face-to-face conversation.

Is that why it got posted here? Because it appeals directly to the 8-10 hardcore moaners who drive up the ad views and revenues with their per-minute page refreshes?

Shame all the moderate posters quit leaving just the dregs (and paulb announcing stats that nobody paid any attention to for years).

Apologies for not mentioning China once.

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>Riddle me this – why have Westside SFH sales plummeted?

You’re a joke dude. For 2 years I’ve been here you’ve been saying sales are down, HAM has disappeared etc. And every month new records are set. Why do you bother?

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“Why Canada’s housing market is due for a correction”, BNN video

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/video/video-why-canadas-housing-market-is-due-for-a-correction/article26801158/#video0id26801158

“The Conference Board of Canada’s Michael Burt joins BNN to discuss the signs he’s seeing on why Canada’s housing market is due for a correction, the impact higher interest rates will have and why Toronto’s condo market is most at risk.”

History
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Hell (Hades) in the Chicom horoscope, resides in the 3rd house.

The 3rd rules siblings, neighbors, short trips, grammar school, the acquisition and use of language. Hell to the Chinese is Learning.

patriotz
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@previous: “Vancouver Granville: I can’t tell from the polls what the recommended vote is (for ABCers).”

308 shows the Liberals in the lead with the NDP a weak 3rd. The NDP has never won a federal riding on the West Side and I don’t see it happening this time either.

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The rant about the supposed future vastly overestimates the number of offshore wealthy with the means and will to live in Vancouver. There are about a million SFH in metro Vancouver, and I doubt there are a million households in China with the ability to get themselves and a few million dollars out.

And if you think all such households would want to live in Vancouver, you’ve got a severe case of Vancouver self-importance.

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“Canada’s election: Living dangerously. The next prime minister will have to deal with a shaky economy”, The Economist magazine

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21674713-next-prime-minister-will-have-deal-shaky-economy-living-dangerously

“While consumers in post-bubble economies have been working off debt, Canadians have been piling it on. Consumer debt is a record 165% of disposable income, not far from the level it was in America before the subprime crisis. Most of that borrowing has been spent on houses. Canadian housing is now 34% pricier than its long-term average, when compared with disposable incomes.”

“The housing bubble has not figured much in the campaign leading up to Canada’s election. That is not surprising. None of the three contenders to be prime minister wants to tell voters that their houses are probably worth less than they think. Yet the winner may well have to deal with the consequences of a housing and debt bust.”

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