$500 Million for Affordable housing

The BC government has announced that they will fund $500 million of affordable housing projects in the province using money brought in via property transfer taxes and the new foreign buyer tax.

Real estate related taxes are now the single largest revenue generator for the BC government, surpassing the 1.2 billion from gambling and all individual resource industry taxes.  In fact, when you combine all resource industry taxes the cumulative figure only exceeds real estate tax income by a few decimal points.

The BC real estate economy is possibly the finest example of a perpetual motion machine in existence. Taxes raised via real estate goes into buying and building more real estate. Win-win!

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UBC in Crisis Mode
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Where is the money from? As there is no foreign buyers (only foreign money) the 15% foreign tax has no effect, as $5 millions houses on Van West are still selling.

Oracle
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Oracle

PR people already here funnelling money in.

1 house per family. Tax the 2nd homes. Immigration set to soar so this only action.

CRA should do their job. People owning 4 homes and declaring they all their residence. Close or tax this fraud.

Combat roach
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Combat roach

More than 800 immigrants mistakenly granted U.S. citizenship because fingerprint data was missing

“The report does not identify any of the immigrants by name, but Inspector General John Roth’s auditors said they were all from “special-interest countries” — those that present a national security concern for the United States — or neighbouring countries with high rates of immigration fraud. The report did not identify those countries.”

And we yet playing PC shit and keep in Canada those criminals that got citizenship on the fake passports. Chinese dude “the forger”, will be soon out from a jail and get back to business presumably.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/more-than-800-immigrants-mistakenly-granted-u-s-citizenship-because-fingerprint-data-was-missing

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Krusty’s developer friends and donors will be very pleased with this announcement.

chilled
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chilled

“Affordable Housing”

Translated for the working middle class taxpayer > “NO-SOUP-FOR-YOU-TODAY!!!!!”

Oracle
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Oracle

NDP set to lose the next election because some morons gonna vote Green and split the vote.

Greens gonna get a lot of MSM time. Hahaha.

Just like last election. When will the tree huggers learn to vote strategically?

chilled
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chilled

Some might even say that, federally, the Bloc PQ & Greens are the main factor that ruptured what was an envied and functional Parliamentary System Canada once had. The Greens certainly kept Harper in office than would have occurred otherwise, but hey, I digress.

Oracle
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Oracle

I looked at the ridings. If not greens last election and If 80% of green vote went NDP, then NDP would have won last election.

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NDP should put in a good word for the conservative party and send over some very large donations.

Madashell
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Madashell

Sarah Macdonald of CTV tweets: “Christine Duhaime, a lawyer specializing in money laundering, says she’s received death threats. Told she’ll be killed for taking on a case.”
This money Laundering through real estates is getting out of hand, Justin and Canada have to take it seriously.

HAMster
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HAMster

The cockroaches will stop at nothing, even murder, to launder their dirty money out of corrupt China. It is sickening that Canada lets this happen.

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Best place on meth

It’s Layla Yang’s Harbin mafia at work.

Diadora
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Diadora

I suspect the two people murdered in Renfrew Heights may have to do with dirty money or money laundering gone bad. Exhibit A: house was purchased with cash two years ago by SE Asian.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2947544/2-bodies-discovered-in-east-vancouver-home/

Madashell
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Madashell

“Concerns first reported by The Province in August 2015 that Vancouver’s property market is at risk of being flooded with dirty cash were confirmed after a six-month review by Fintrac, Canada’s anti-money laundering agency.”
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/real-estate-scams-need-high-tech-attention-say-vancouver-and-canadian-experts

Combat roach
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Combat roach

Any special forces and anti-terrorist units should be able to trace those threats and eliminate the source. This isn’t joke given the amount of money involved that easily dwarfs narco business.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Buying up a thousand or so units is sure to keep things affordable almost as effectively as giving people extra money to hand over to developers did.

would-be buyer
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would-be buyer
Best place on meth
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Don’t worry, they’re not getting the pipeline.

This is juicy though:

“the release came just before a top Chinese official was set to visit Canada. And it coincided with the agreement to negotiate an extradition treaty and to give Chinese officials some access to Canadian immigration files so certain Chinese nationals could be sent back to China.”

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

What kind of access to which files? How are the files chosen to which they will have some access?

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Best place on meth

The other problem with this is that 2900 lucky people will get into an affordable rental, while all other renters get nothing.

Hey Krusty, how about a renters tax credit so everyone gets a small break?

That would be a better use for $500 million rather than funneling it over to her developer donors.

Combat roach
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Combat roach

If the city provides land, $500M is a quite considerable amount to be spent on construction of the new rental housing objects.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

yeah, that’s a big IF imho…

no one will want developments like this in their neighborhoods and putting housing in sketchier areas will be frowned upon by all concerned. only in a town like this will freeloaders get away with complaining about what’s handed to them on a silver platter… boggles the mind

tim
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tim

Fuck you and your classism. You don’t deserve to call yourself Canadian.

tim
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tim

Sorry I might have misfired. This whole subject has me ready to start building a gallows

patriotz
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“If the city provides land, $500M is a quite considerable amount ”

What do you mean “the city”? That figure is province wide. Roughly that’s $6M for every provincial riding in BC.

YVR
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YVR

There are tonnes of vacant lots in downtown Vancouver that were donated by Concord Pacific (as part of the development approval) that have been sitting vacant for 5, 10 and 15 years. I assume these lots will be used for this social housing. It is good. Most people would rather have a social housing building than a vacant lot.

Madashell
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Madashell

“The Bank For International Settlements (BIS) Warns That A Major Debt Meltdown In China Is Imminent”
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-bank-for-international-settlements-warns-that-a-major-debt-meltdown-in-china-is-imminent
Perhaps this is why there is so much money is coming into Vancouver RE.

Combat roach
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Combat roach

To stop dirty money from China coming, stop people from China coming, simple as it gets and it can be done quickly.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

unfortunately like we saw in 2008, the crooks running the show will do the opposite instead of nipping it in the bud. will delay the inevitable by allowing the very same activity that got us into the mess in the first place (or risk a major meltdown on their watch)

squeak
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squeak

Ooh, that looks really good on the headlines.

But.

Considering the blatant disregard and denial of a very serious housing situation in Vancouver/surrounds, that has been going on for over a decade, what makes the political leadership all of a sudden do this spinning? So what are you doing behind the scenes now to distract us with this “bone” thrown at us?

Im not going to say “it is too little too late”, even if it is.

My statement is “I don’t believe a word of it”.
Dear Christie, your time of being trusted is long gone. We had it with your antics.

Serious honest leaders would have dealt with this at least a decade ago, seriously.

HAMster
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HAMster

I remember not too long ago Christy said if you can’t afford Vancouver then move to Ft. St. John, and de Jong called people who complain about real estate prices a bunch of “whiners”. I am voting NDP.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

That was Coleman, unless De Jong said something along those lines as well.

http://www.news1130.com/2016/05/26/housing-minister-whining-critic/

HAMster
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HAMster

I stand corrected. It was Larry, not Moe…

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

Savers must adjust retirement plans amid low interest rates: Poloz
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/poloz-low-interest-rates-1.3770695

Raincity
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Raincity
Raincity
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Raincity

Class-action lawsuit filed against B.C.’s foreign buyer property tax
Chinese student leads court action, demanding repayment of all money paid by foreign national home buyers
By Eric Rankin, CBC News Posted: Sep 19, 2016 8:09 PM PT Last Updated: Sep 19, 2016

Just me
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Just me

This would be an enormous shock to the system: “Extradition treaty could see Vancouver homes owned by Chinese government”

http://www.inews880.com/syn/112/222711/222711

It would put an immediate hand to the use of Vancouver homes as a safe-deposit box: not more bank-secrecy means no more storing of dirty money. The Vancouver market would feel it, big time!

Madashell
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Madashell

Michael Ching and the likes must be crapping in their pants as we speak.

YVR
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YVR

Just another reason for them to sell NOW and get there money to safe harbour. Nobody is going to wait to see if this happens. If I was Chinese I think the message would be clear. You are no long welcome here. If you stay you will pay.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29
Vancouver to launch public talks on empty homes tax Matt Robinson Published on: September 20, 2016 | Last Updated: September 20, 2016 1:21 PM PDT http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/city-of-vancouver-to-ask-public-about-empty-homes-tax Stiff fines would await those who tried to skirt an empty homes tax in Vancouver, city staff told councillors Tuesday. A $10,000 penalty – the maximum fine the city can issue – is the tool staff could use to enforce their proposed annual tax on homes that are not being used as principle residences. That was among the new details staff offered councillors before asking for the green light to take the idea out to residents in a $220,000 public consultation process this fall. Vision Vancouver and Green Party councillors supported the idea, but members of the Non-Partisan Association stood in opposition. Last week Mayor Gregor Robertson plugged an annual tax of as much… Read more »
bullwhip29
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bullwhip29
Vancouver vacancy tax to include secondary units used for Airbnb The Canadian Press Published Tuesday, Sep. 20, 2016 4:29PM EDT Last updated Tuesday, Sep. 20, 2016 4:33PM EDT http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/vancouver-empty-homes-tax-to-include-secondary-units-used-for-airbnb/article31971833/ Vancouver’s proposed empty homes tax will include secondary units being booked full-time on the vacation rental website Airbnb, with the maximum fine for people who evade the levy set at $10,000. New details of the tax emerged at city hall where council voted to move forward with public consultation despite staunch opposition of three councillors from the centre-right Non-Partisan Association. Coun. George Affleck called the tax a “bureaucratic nightmare,” while Coun. Elizabeth Ball said the proposal was frightening seniors who may have had to leave home to care for a sick loved one, for example. Mayor Gregor Robertson dismissed their concerns as “fear-mongering” and says the process for enforcing the tax… Read more »
yvr2zrh
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Does this mean that foreigners who have their Vancouver “Pied a Terre” are subject to the vacancy tax? If not – then this tax has no teeth. If so – be ready for the 10,000 units to come to the market pretty quickly.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29
this is exactly what this tax is supposed to be for. if i was leveraged up the ying-yang with several rental condos/apts I would be pretty concerned right now. i think starting next year this category of RE in particular will be even harder to sell than it already is and now renting out for top dollar just became more challenging too. the only loophole i think someone in your example could exploit would be to stage a fake rental with an associate or family member complete with paperwork, monthly rent cheques and the like. it will be a pain in the ass, but surely there will be a big market for someone willing to arrange services like these. i think properly orchestrated, someone would wind up paying just a fraction of what the vacancy tax may end up being… Read more »
yvr2zrh
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There is going to be a need that the unit is rented to a “Tax Resident” much like the unit is used as a “Permanent residence”. Supported by rental agreements, and SIN’s of the tenant to support the tax filing being made from the address. This is a pretty easy tax to catch people on if you must be using it for a rental, AirBnB is not considered rental, and the property is not allowed to be essentially a secondary residence. This would torpedo Coal Harbour as so many of these are just there basically empty. However – the outcome of this tax would be very desirable in that you would seriously re-populate the city and possibly push the market values of properties down as owners sell instead of becoming landlords. I personally would never buy a property there if… Read more »
bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

secondary properties rented out on airbnb will not be tax exempt. owners would likely run into all kinds of roadblocks operating a “licensed” commercial business out of a strata property or even a detached home where it is not zoned for this. for that matter, there are restrictions on the number of rentals allowed in many buildings, so it will be interesting to see how things unfold

YVR
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YVR

Air BnB and empty home as a pied de terre is done in Vancouver. You can tell by the 10s of millions Air BnB is currently spending on advertising they know it. We can all think of loop holes to try to avoid the tax but it is a lot easier to just sell. The market is going down anyway so why hang on and take your chances on massive taxes and fines plus the hassle all for a low yield on a declining asset. There will be a massive rush to the exits in Spring when everyone figures out what is going on.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

SCMP: Sold in 2013, why was this home counted as an August 2016 sale by Vancouver’s real estate board?
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2021095/sold-2013-why-was-home-counted-august-2016-sale

southseacompany
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southseacompany

“Poloz signals delay in interest rate increase as economy struggles”< Globe & Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/poloz-signals-delay-in-return-to-higher-rates-as-economy-struggles/article31964961/

"Bank of Canada Governor Stephen Poloz is warning that a move to raise interest rates will likely be delayed again as the Canadian economy struggles to gain traction in a slow-growth world."

JayTor
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JayTor

I wonder how history will treat idiots like Poloz.

Bbbbb
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Bbbbb

he’s bought out by RE/bank/complex.

Bbbbb
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Bbbbb

more corruption here than ‘3rd’ world

Its_the_ALR_stupid
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Its_the_ALR_stupid

Excellent documentary video on the current real estate situation in China. Fraud, misallocation of capital, etc. on a scale the size of, well, China.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2016/09/china-economy-160913081105227.html

Combat roach
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Combat roach

Lol… how these two words became synonyms, China – Fraud?

JayTor
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JayTor

I want to tour these ghost cities!

Its_the_ALR_stupid
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Its_the_ALR_stupid

On a tangential note, one of the takeaways I got from the video was a reminder that not all Mainlanders are bad people. I was particularly moved by the woman who offered lunch to the journalist and his crew despite her financial distress.

I know there is a lot of hostility towards Mainlanders due to the likes of Kenny Gu – well deserved I would add – but let’s remember that the large numbers of douchebag 1%’s who end up in Vancouver are not representative of the entire country’s population.

Sellnoworbepricedin4evah
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Sellnoworbepricedin4evah

Thank you for posting this.

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

Recent data out of China shows large recent increases in homes prices which seems very counter intuitive due to the economic slowdown. This video seems to have an explanation for this. It seems it’s likely a common practice to falsify sales certificates to show, for example, a $300K purchase as a $400K purchase so that they can get a $280K loan. This circumvents the 70% LTV requirement. In this example, less than 10% DP is required.

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-19/china-home-prices-rise-in-more-cities-in-august-as-sales-gain
I think it’s very likely the recent spike is due to the kind of falsification mentioned in my previous post…

Newcomer
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Newcomer

It’s interesting how the journalist talks about the slowdown in the overall economy as pervasive and consequential, which is not the narrative in most papers.

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Best place on meth
patriotz
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Vietnamese. You can let our favourite bogeymen off the hook on this one.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

Someone was asking yesterday about the state of the detached market in East Van.

Colder than a 3 day old corpse.

September sales on pace for about 36, after 78 in August, 117 in July, 163 in June and 216 in May.

MOI, which was never higher than 3 in the past 2.5 years went up to 5 in July, 8 in August and 16 as of now.

Bbbbb
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Bbbbb

People need to keep pressure on Gov and Media. Encourage reporters. Housing market vulnerable to a pop (rapidly increasing inventory). Now is the time to keep pressure on by repeating the issues over and over louder and louder.

JayTor
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JayTor

the lemming are heading to the cliff… just need a loud “bang” and they all jump

vangrl
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vangrl

Your data is different than Paul’s because you’re posting sales as they happen rather than when the real estate board processes them, right? Trying to understand all the different sales stats out there right now.
I think yours are more “real time”, as in they really did happen in Sept, is this correct? thanks

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Vangrl,

These guys post detailed stats every couple of weeks, same stats as the board but more info and more than once a month.

http://dexterrealty.com/current-market-conditions.html

Oracle
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Oracle
The final nail in the coffin would be to strike at the heart of the local speculator. Put in a law that sellers must start reporting a SALE on their tax returns starting in 2017 AND that each sale will be audited to see if the principal residence exemption is violated. That would trigger a listings explosion as many locals are sitting on multiple properties. IMO, that would be huge. THEN, 1) Slowly raise the foreign buyer tax to 25%. 2) Initiate a tax on 2nd homes within the major metropolitan areas starting at 0.5% a year and rising to 2.5% over 5 years. 3) Change the $500 million Christy is giving away to her developer friends into a rental subsidy. That way, people who claim the monthly subsidy because of low income to rent ratios will inadvertently identify those… Read more »
franko
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franko

“….as many locals are sitting on multiple properties…”

You talkin locals or locusts?

Combat roach
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Combat roach

We have local locusts too, the special breed developed by lousy immigration policies.

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JayTor
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JayTor

Good ideas summed up:
1 – 15% is good enough
2 – great idea
3 – yes, great idea
4 – Nah, these students help keep the fees lower for Canadians
5 – I think a year is fair
My 2 cents – I would like to see everyone thought

Newcomer
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Newcomer

If you give a $100 subsidy to all renters, all rents will go up by $100. That’s the way these things work, because all renters are now competing with an extra $100. If you only give it to the poorest renters, the bottom end of the rental market will go up in price. The tried and true solution is to build rental only properties (not buy existing ones). Co-ops are the best as they give the most bang for the buck.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

It would have to be a tax credit, not a direct handout.

And not everyone likes co-ops due to the type of people you have to interact with at the regular meetings.

They’re like stratas in that way.

chilled
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chilled

Co-ops? No biggie. It takes time, but you get used to being around women who make there own feminine hygiene products and men who are into gardening.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Not everyone has to live in coops. I’m talking about how get the most supply (and hence the greatest increase in overall affordability) for 500 million dollars. Rents will go down for everyone, not just the ones in the purpose built housing.

Just me
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Just me

Fully agree.

However, the way to do it is to restrict zoning to rentals, and build for the long term. The BC libs continue to deny zoning for rent, arguing it would undermine the discretion associated to property rights. Of course, it is just another textbook example of vested interests.

patriotz
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“If you give a $100 subsidy to all renters, all rents will go up by $100. ”

Do you think if every renter got a $100 pay raise, rents would go up by $100? No, rents would go up by the same % as their incomes as this would maintain the same proportion of income paid to rent. Same with the tax credit. If a typical renter household was making $3000/month and paying $1200/month in rent, rent would go up $40.

YVR
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YVR

I say we tax sawdust at 100% for all houses built in Surrey.

Billybonger
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Billybonger

Oracle:

Good post.

patriotz
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Tax on foreign homebuyers would be ‘horrible,’ Toronto real estate lawyer warns

A Toronto real estate lawyer warns introducing a tax on foreign homebuyers would be devastating for the Toronto housing market. His warning came Tuesday after a prominent economist said it was only a matter of time before the surcharge would come into effect in the Greater Toronto Area.

The poor thing. But Kathleen Wynne has budget and popularity problems that need help. I should note that the Ontario NDP, unlike its BC counterpart, has been nowhere on the RE bubble.

Combat roach
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Combat roach

Much sooner than in Vancouver compared to the relative time in conjunction of relative price.

YVR
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YVR

Yup for Ontario it will be implemented for the tax revenue. It is a no brainer when you can bring in billions in tax dollars that the voters support.

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