Friday Free-for-all! February 11 2016

It’s that time of the week again, time for another Friday Free-for-all!

This is our regular end of the world week news round-up and open topic discussion thread for the weekend.

Here are a few recent links to kick off the chat:

Empty home tax fine $10k a day
Vacant house fires
Higher Rates Coming?
West Van sales avg 16% below list

So what are you seeing out there? Post your news links, thoughts and anecdotes here and have an excellent weekend!

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Dan
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Foist

Tom M
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“The resentments and anger on main street has not only been simmering for years; its inhabitants have also figured out that it was on their backs that Wall Street was rehabilitated and then inflated to hideous valuations that bear no relationship to the faltering economy of main street. Indeed, after getting a bailout they hated, main street then got a rogue central bank run by clueless Keynesian academics who deliberatively and callously savaged savers and retirees; and also tried purposefully to trash worker wages with even more inflation than what was already destroying their jobs and shrinking the purchasing power of their paychecks. We are now more convinced than ever that 2% inflation targeting is the greatest governmental assault on the working classes known to modern history. And the working classes of Flyover America—-whose jobs are most exposed to the… Read more »
chilled
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chilled

Now lets keep it local!! I’ve refused to do the Census for over 20yrs now and have called for others to ‘refuse the census’ until Stats Can STOPS LYING ABOUT THE INFLATION RATE. Once again, this knuckle dragging Neanderthal has been proven correct, AGAIN!! Thanks for at least trying to keep up people.

burntout
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burntout

Actually you couldn’t be more wrong. The US public were duped. trump is the ultimate elite. He has been funded by WS and maybe Russian bankers for years. Who do you think his treasury secretary will be, from the BBC:

Steven Mnuchin – Treasury Secretary

Mr Trump himself floated the idea of naming his finance chairman for the post of Treasury Secretary.

But it’s unclear whether Mr Trump’s supporters would welcome the idea of handing the levers of national tax policy to a consummate Wall Street insider.

Mr Mnuchin amassed a fortune during his 17 years at Goldman Sachs, before founding a movie production company that was behind such box office hits as the X-Men franchise and American Sniper.

However, a Trump aide has also confirmed they have asked JPMorgan boss Jamie Dimon to be US Treasury Secretary; it’s not clear how he responded.

Its_the_ALR_stupid
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Its_the_ALR_stupid

Douglas Todd tells it like it is:

Canada’s public guardians have failed Vancouverites

http://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canadas-public-guardians-have-failed-vancouverites

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Best place on meth

“National Bank of Canada economists estimate almost $13 billion was spent by Chinese investors on Metro Vancouver real estate in 2015 alone. That represents roughly a third of all home sales by volume. It helped cause price surges.”

It didn’t “help” cause prices surges, it was the sole cause of price surges the last couple of years. Interest rates had nothing to do with this, their effect petered out a long time ago.

No, it’s these money-laundering vermin that have sent prices soaring recently and causing the destruction of our city.

Oracle
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Oracle

If they say they can’t stop foreign money then end all immigration from China.

Enough of the PC culture.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

So, what, you think the Chinese were buying in Saskatoon, too? Let’s see what happens now that interest rates are going to go up and we can get a better sense to how much the market depends on them.

ostritch
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ostritch

You talk like a millennial. Trump will print money. More money. Rates are not going back to 4% or 5.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

OK. Let’s see. The markets disagree with you, but only time will tell.

Combat roach
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Combat roach

Unfortunately there is no political alternative on horizon to rectify this failure. How do we oust the vermin and build the “wall” before locust eats us up?

West Coast Woman
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The City’s empty home tax may have some effect on condo owners, but I doubt it will have much effect on the owners of empty houses, since most of these were bought with the intention to flip or rebuild and flip rather than actually occupy the home. This tax only addresses a symptom rather than the cause of the problem. Vancouver City Council created this problem when they rezoned all single family areas to allow for larger houses as well as laneway houses. They said this would provide affordable housing by allowing up to 2 suites per house as well as a laneway house on each property. What they really wanted to do was densify the west side of Vancouver, but instead what they did was to encourage the demolition of older family homes so that new “luxury mansions” could… Read more »
patriotz
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Downzoning to smaller houses is not going to make CoV more affordable. The same buyers will still be there, just competing for smaller houses. The likely outcome is even less house for the dollar. The way to make CoV more affordable is to get speculators (both local and offshore) out of the market.

West Coast Woman
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West Coast Woman

If the City went back to the previous zoning, most of the speculators would get out of the market since they are banking on multi-million dollar profits by building a larger structure that appeals only to the mainland Chinese buyers. The majority of speculators over the past 5-6 years have been mainland Chinese investor immigrants.

If the City wanted more affordable housing to be built they should have changed the zoning to duplexes or triplexes, or REQUIRED that any larger new structure actually contain more than one residence.

Most families don’t want a 6 bedroom 8 bathroom “mansion” with a 4 car garage that is expensive to both live in and maintain.

patriotz
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“If the City went back to the previous zoning”

Currently detached is allowed FSR of 0.7, before that it was 0.6 for a very long time which is not a large difference. The reason it looks like a big change has taken place is that most older houses did not use the full FSR.

I agree the City should encourage a greater number of smaller dwellings on smaller lots, I think the best solution is row housing on individually titled lots as do many other people.

franko
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The message we got over the last couple of days couldn’t have been any clearer that RATES ARE ON THE WAY UP as global markets are dumping utility stocks and piling into US financials and insurers. Yellin just got blown off the fence, and the question now is not if she will hike rates in December, but how much.
Real Canadian rates will be determined by bond yields and Polloz will totally helpless to do anything about it. Trudeau and Butts have killed any hope for our economy with massive social programs and deficits as the Trump camp is heading in the opposite direction.
With higher rates a certainty, all the ducks are now in a row for the biggest RE crash since 81.
Could the storm be any more perfect?

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Trudeau and Trump are on the same page when it comes to spending stimulus. Did you not even listen to his acceptance speech?

The Canadian economy is in the gun sights because it is built on consumer debt and commodities, not because Trudeau is doing what Harper should have started eight years ago.

patriotz
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” RATES ARE ON THE WAY UP as global markets are dumping utility stocks and piling into US financials and insurers. ”

Rising interest rates are NEGATIVE for financials and insurers because the term of their assets (i.e. money owed to them) is longer than the term of their debt (money they owe), on average.

franko
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franko

That why Bank of America, Manulife, Sun Life, and Metlife are all up 13 to 15% over the last 3 days?
Almost all of operating cash for insurers gets invested in long bonds, and the increased spread from higher rates will boost their earnings significantly.

Oncebittwiceshy
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Oncebittwiceshy

Actually, Patriotz is somewhat more correct Franko. The long term bonds actually spin off great earnings as interest rates are dropping but their liabilities actually grow significantly, probably even more than their earnings. In a rising rate environment the longer term bonds can get crushed but their liabilities actually shrink. A lot of it depends on their actuarial assumptions and the term of their bonds.

franko
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franko

Sorry guys, I’ll have to side with Robert Karr on this one (just one of hundreds of google confirmations)
http://marketrealist.com/2015/rising-interest-rates-banks-insurance-companies/
That’s why financials have always reacted favorably to the probability of higher rates. The market has perceived the Trump victory as inflationary, hence, higher rates and the recent spike in bank and insurance stocks. Another blatant example of that was their performance after Bernanke’s taper tantrum in 2013.

Some Guy
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“Rising interest rates are NEGATIVE for financials and insurers”

No, just read the fin. statements of any bank and watch for the moaning about spread compression.

ostritch
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ostritch

I’ve read he wants to replace yEllen with a more dovish governor.

Ulsterman
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I’ve been reading lots of post-election analysis articles explaining how the working class people from the rust belt in the US finally rose up and said they weren’t going to take it anymore.

Looking at the local real estate market, The “elites / powers that be” have gotten used to telling the younger, most non-owning generation that they must simply accept that they cannot own. That’s just the way it is. To want to own is, for them, simply “entitled.” One wonders if the millennials and the generation behind them will do a Trump, and simply decide not to accept the status quo any longer.

chilled
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chilled

Unfortunately the millennials and the generation behind them have been so badly brainwashed by the media and are now literally rioting against their only hope. Fix this first.

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Best place on meth

For people who are supposedly against “hate”, they sure are displaying a lot of it.

Terrible language too, such hypocrites these liberal arts grads.

Tac
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Tac

Typically those that insult the liberal art grads, are not geniuses in science themselves.

Paid PR personnel from political parties spread this type of nonsense.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

From what I’ve read, they are peaceful demonstrations with small pockets attempting to turn them into something else. The millennials and the generation behind them are absolutely correct. Trump is not their hope or anyone’s hope. Both the Republicans and the Democrats have been fools to let this happen. Even revolutionaries who think change must be wrought by any means possible are fools to let this happen. “Any means” is hyperbole. Fascism doesn’t open any doors.

patriotz
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Trump got fewer votes than Romney or McCain. The vast majority of people who voted for Trump have been voting Republican all along. Trump did increase the popular vote in some Midwestern states, but only by a bit – for example in Michigan 2,277,914 versus 2,115,256.

Clinton lost the election because she couldn’t hold all the votes that Obama got. And it bears repeating that she still got more votes than Trump.

non
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non

Thats cause California keeps growing in population.

Thats why they have the electoral college.

dude, stop the agenda.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Ulster, agree. This kind of behaviour in the local “elites/powers that be” with their blank-eyed stares is going to cause a trump.

patriotz
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Guess you missed the news – we already have one. Next leader of the Cons?

Trump win sends ‘exciting message’ to Canada: Conservative MP Kellie Leitch

franko
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franko

Or better yet, Kevin O’leary

MarKoz
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I’ve always hated that expression, “entitled”. It is the one word rationale for people who are wealthier or luckier than someone else to explain to that less wealthy or less lucky person why they don’t deserve something.

It is “entitled” to want the same solid middle-class life your parents had. It is “entitled” to want to purchase a home in a neighbourhood where your parents did, even though they had far less education and earning power than you do. I could go on and on.

Tac
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Tac

Own what?! houses?! entitled to what?

Houses are cheap in rust belt states. This is not about housing. It is about blue collar and their fact that their high paying jobs have disappeared and they are forgotten. Trump and company have made a lot promises to get elected, that they can not keep.

southseacompany
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southseacompany

“Big banks’ mortgage rates edge higher in response to Ottawa’s efforts to cool housing”, Financial Post

http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/big-banks-mortgage-rates-edge-higher-in-response-to-ottawas-efforts-to-cool-housing

““They’ve started hiking their mortgage prime rates and/or posted variable rates proactively,” says Rob McLister, the founder of RateSpy.com. “That’s because the Department of Finance is making it more costly to lend — with “behind-the-scenes” policies like higher capital requirements, securitization limits and new default insurance restrictions.””

Combat roach
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In the meantime our local circus came up with a latest vaudeville …

“Take, for example, a four-bedroom, 1950s house at 2085 East Broadway with an assessed value of about $900,000 and an asking price of $4.2 million.”

http://www.theprovince.com/news/local+news/realtors+rush+east+vancouver+hoping+parcel+land+make+bucks/12377772/story.html

chilled
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chilled

Another flip-flop once again demonstrating Garth Turner is bat-shit-crazy;

http://www.greaterfool.ca/2016/11/11/trump-it-up/

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Best place on meth

Typical for Turncoat Turner.

He was mocking and insulting Trump the entire campaign and suddenly he likes the guy.

The bond yields though, that was a hell of a spike. I pray it continues skyward.

Ulsterman
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GT is always right, even when he’s wrong. It’s rather remarkable to watch the skill with which he can twist and turn and then say, i told you so. You’d almost think he’d been a politician.

non
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non

What an idiot

southseacompany
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southseacompany

“$1 trillion gone: The global bond market has only seen a rout this bad twice in 20 years”, Financial Post

http://business.financialpost.com/investing/global-investor/1-trillion-gone-the-global-bond-market-has-only-seen-a-rout-this-bad-twice-in-20-years?__lsa=6560-dd35

‘More than US$1 trillion has been wiped off the value of bonds around the world this week as U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s policies are seen boosting spending and quickening inflation.”

burntout
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burntout

Please guys DONT not get on the Trump is a saviour band-wagon It’s just too disgusting to watch. He is a sexual predator, tax evader, who used illegal workers on his projects and then played the race card to get votes, he is a pro-choicer who flipped to ‘punish women who have abortions ‘ to get votes, said the US should have invaded Iraq when it happened (on the Stern show) and now says it was a disaster that should never have happened…he will say and do whatever it takes. He has asked Jamie Dimon, Mr Wall Street to be his treasury secretary or failing that another Goldman billionaire. He has duped the stupid uneducated into believing a Billionaire who fucked the poor and small guy now suddenly cares about them., with this ‘elite’ BS.

YVR
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YVR

Dude Trump already won. Give it up. We tried 8 years of politically correct kicking the can down the road. It didn’t work. Lets see how someone else can do with a different plan. Parroting main stream media half truths doesn’t help. Just ask Hillary.

Boombust
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Boombust

“We” didn’t try anything of the sort. This is Canada, remember?

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Best place on meth

You’re right, we’re still a politically correct shithole where foreign crooks pillage our nation while our elected representatives, their corporate puppet masters and the bought off media tell us we’re being racist if we dare complain about the invasion.

The US is way ahead of us when it comes to taking back their country.

Today is Remembrance Day, a reminder that our grandparents and great grandparents fought and died for their countries – a fight against totalitarianism that is still not over.

Sadly we have traitors like Christy Clark, Justin Trudeau and Garth Turner who gleefully sell us out to the enemy.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Meth, much as I like you, and much as I agree with you about the damaging effect of allowing super wealthy foreign nationals from China to buy up residential property in Vancouver, I have to disagree with the claim that Trump represents “Americans taking back their country”. By 180 degrees. He certainly does not represent Californians, who are the main exporters, primary economic driver, primary food producer of the country and who have way less than their share of electoral votes as compared to some ranchers in wyoming or good old boys in missouri or georgia.

ostritch
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ostritch

Have a look at the county level map for California; your food producers went red.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

True dat. Big Ag. Used to be poison for farmworkers. Monsanto. Now its fracking in agricultural land. They nevertheless do not run the state. California has way better (or at least more extensive) environmental protection laws than the states that voted in Trump I’ll wager.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Not all food-producing counties, I should have added.

ostritch
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ostritch

Look how easy UNI educated millenials make it for the likes of our masters. They’ll spend their day challenging you, not them.

Tac
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Tac

The Foreign duded that pillage our country are American oil companies in search of oil.

patriotz
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Canada didn’t kick the can down the road? Canada won the can kicking championship in the consumer debt category.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
The thing is, Trump doesn’t have a plan. He is there for one reason and one reason only, to increase his personal power. He doesn’t have a plan, views, beliefs, neither well-founded ones or opinionated ones. He simply doesn’t operate that way. He believes whatever comes out of his mouth and what comes out of his mouth is whatever his gut tells him will get whoever is listening to serve him. He and the group working for him have no idea of the difference between generating thoughts of their own and copying them; witness Melania’s plagiarism on a national stage. He doesn’t have the background to chose able people in his cabinet and he is certain not speaking on behalf of ordinary people, despite those ralleys. He has no ability to concentrate or listen and it is extremely dangerous for… Read more »
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“Trump is not your man. He must be stopped.”

But first we must stop run-on sentences as well as lunatics who think the election result can be reversed if the lefist fringe complain loud enough.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Ha ha. Well I certainly wish I could write as well as you can on the fly. However I wish you wouldn’t use unhelpful rhetoric like “leftist fringe”. The truth is that we cannot normalize the situation with Trump. Follow Angela Merkl’s lead. Don’t pretend like this is OK and politics as usual.

Tac
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Tac

Love Trumpland so much. Why not move there. Getting a green card for such a talented person like yourself should not be difficult.

Gora
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Gora

President Trump! Death-head Bitch.
Libtard Special SJW Snowflakes are the true fascist Brownshirts for the George Soros corporate Media

Oncebittwiceshy
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Oncebittwiceshy
I’m sorry, my friend, but you must be very wrapped up in ideology to think that a politician is running for office for any reason other than money or power. Their first year in office is basically spent figuring out their strategy for remaining in office and their last 2 years are spent campaigning. The middle year is spent trying to placate the many lobbyists … the vocal minority. You do understand that Obama made the same promises in 2008 that Trump did, right? Nafta renegotiation and main street before wall street, and the best of all he can change Washington. They all regurgitate the same promises that people want to hear to get elected. Clinton’s ’08 slaps still sting Obama By GLENN THRUSH 08/01/13 05:01 AM EDT Updated 08/01/13 03:08 PM EDT Clinton’s campaign attacks on Obama may have… Read more »
CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Obama promised to NOT bail out the banks and he promised to close Gitmo. The latter he tried to follow up on but got blocked then later he made some moves in that direction.

I have to disagree with your claim that all politicians care only about power or power plus money. Some are driven by service, at least initially. But thank you for addressing my central claim which I think it is most important for us to consider, viz. that Trump is not politics as usual. People who have served at the level of President usually have developed their capacity for self reflection enough that they know how to write and speak a consistent and nuanced position based in evidence. Or at the very least, they know what evidence is. Trump denies climate change. Qed.

burntout
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burntout

They aren’t half truths. That is how people try and muddy water. they are all truths. I just can’t read that POS being lionized. I am a bear too, but I don’t believe in demeaning women and lying to get what I want. Isn’t that what we are fighting against? Corruption.

dyugle
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dyugle

I’m Shocked Shocked to find out that politicians!!!!!!

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

That sounds great, YVR, except it’s completely the wrong idea to think that Trump himself has any kind of plan other than to gain personal power. Of course that portion of the Republican party insiders who supported him believe that they can use Trump and his ability to sway people in order to pursue their own plans and policies. This is what always happens with demagogues. They get into power partly because even those who recognize what kind of person they are think it will be OK because they can control them. But they never can.

Tac
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Tac

You must be an American pretending to be Canadian.

So what if he won? ! So did Hitler and Mussolini . You are talking as though abusive people have never been elected.

Boombust
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Boombust

I’m sick of the whole thing. You’re right, let’s give it a rest.

Combat roach
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Combat roach

As much as it sounds dirty and ugly, what locusts did to Canada, especially Vancouver isn’t nowhere close. F*ckers salvaged this society for personal profit and benefits and yet nobody could say anything because local “elite” forced “Political Correctness” while filling their pockets and selling future of their own children.

patriotz
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It has nothing to do with “Political Correctness” and everything to do with the 70% who are homeowners thinking they are in on the racket.

Yet another time I will remind you there are cities in Canada where both immigration and foreign ownership are very small but have seen price increases comparable to Vancouver.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

Show me another city on this map that is up 24% year over year like Vancouver.

http://www.housepriceindex.ca/

Newcomer
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Newcomer

So you think 16 and 17% YOY increases in Victoria and Toronto are explained by Canada’s robust economic growth in 2016, and the doubling in Winnipeg over the past 10 years (four and a half percent this year alone) is due to the great shape it is in? Or are evil Chinese guys flocking to Manitoba?

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Toronto is HAM, Victoria is HAM and spillover from Vancouver market.

Winnipeg proves my point that the effect of low interest rates on rising prices ended years ago as they’re only up 4% over the past year.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Only? Only 300% of the inflation rate in a year of unmitigated dismal news for the Canadian economy? And only doubled in ten years?

Have you ever been to Winnipeg?

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

I agree the bubble was nationwide for the first 10 years and it was interest rate driven.

The recent run up in prices however has little to do with interest rates and eveything to do with HAM, hence the disparity between Van/Vic/Tor and the rest of the country.

Oracle
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Oracle

Damn, you guys still debating the cause of high prices???

For fuck sakes, its HAM.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Let’s be clear, Chinese nationals have bid up Vancouver prices. They added fuel to the fire, but the fire has raged all over the country with or without HAM . 4% is insane — bat poop crazy! — for Winnipeg in the current environment. You seem to be like someone pointing out that the trees on top of a mountain make it higher. It’s true, but it misses the point.

patriotz
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My point is simply that government inaction on rising housing prices, whatever the cause, is the result of government catering to the 70% of households who own, not because of “political correctness”, as the prior poster had claimed. That’s all.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Did you mean to reply to BPOM?

patriotz
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I think it was you actually, but it doesn’t matter. “Political correctness” in this context is supposed to mean, I believe, an unwillingness to blame foreigners or minorities for housing prices. The vast majority in Vancouver are more than happy to see government blaming foreigners for high prices and there’s no better proof than Christy’s 15% tax and the public reaction to it.

And I brought up other cities to show that governments are unwilling to bring prices down even in cities where nobody blames foreigners and minorities.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

OK. I get it. But I was replying to BPOM’s response to you. My response (that growth outside Vancouver, which is not attributable to HAM, is not reasonably explained by anything the government policy) was intended to be in agreement with your line of argument.

I never mentioned political correctness, nor would I. That was Combat roach. It’s kind of disturbing to be confused with Combat roach but I’m guessing because I recently said that I don’t consider Harper to embody the extreme right you lumped me in with xenophobic Blackshirts like Combat roach. Tant pis.

Tac
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Tac

You don’t have to live in Vancouver Canada like Americans don’t have to live in Hollywood or Manhattan .

burntout
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burntout

Remember Trump is against elites

The highest-income taxpayers (those with incomes over $3.7 million) would see an average tax cut of nearly $1.1 million, or over 14% of after-tax income.

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Best place on meth

The election is over, Trump won.

You are wasting your time as well as ours at this point.

burntout
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burntout

Then stop being a cheerleader for such a disgusting reptile

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

What cheerleading? I never supported Hillary for a second.

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It’s 3 days after the election and it’s amazing to watch the lunatic left STILL going bat-shit crazy, in fact they are getting worse by the minute in their despair, out on the streets and on the internet.

WOW!

burntout
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burntout

Now even I am beginning to think you are an Ass-hole BPOM.

It is the left like David Eby who has fought against the pillaging of this city.

The right has sold out and no one more so than the far right Harper and Co. You used to laud the NDP now that jack-boot trump has got in you have flipped to the far right. grow up.

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Best place on meth

Hey new guy, what do you think of George Soros?

Good guy?

Also, are you under 25 years old?

Newcomer
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Newcomer

“the far right Harper”

Here’s hoping you never have to see the far right. Globally and historically, Harper is basically left. And I’m a leftist, so it’s not like I like Harper or think he was too soft or something. Take a few breaths, man.

patriotz
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“Globally and historically, Harper is basically left.”

And I thought I’d heard everything.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

If you venture out of Canada, or take a history course, you will hear even more.

ostritch
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ostritch

Harper WAS left but you bozos overreacted in the same way. You’re like a bunch of lemmings. Hence the valulessness of your UNI education.

Tito
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Tito

Are you going to vote for Christy again?

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Really Meth? What do you wish the Germans would have done to stop Hitler?

Besides people on the streets and on the internet, there are other things people are doing to make sure in advance that Trump doesn’t get too far out of hand. State legislators are starting to make formal statements indicating lines that cannot be crossed in the same way that Angela Merkl did.

Note that Trump thinks that any criticism of his ‘policies’ or actions constitutes a personal insult, and twice a spokesperson for him has announced that he has an enemies list. Shall I find you links to show this?

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Information about Trump’s Enemies List. (Keep in mind that he doesn’t understand the distinction between criticising a policy or an action versus criticising or undermining a person.

https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-add-us-to-trump-s-enemies-list

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Oh dear, here come the Hitler comparisons.

I won’t even respond to that kind of bat-shit crazy.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

It’s not batshit crazy. That’s the point. Do you think I would say that if I didn’t mean it? Please don’t gaslight me.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Meaning it is what makes you crazy.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

and your creds are?

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Are you asking if I am a psychiatrist? No, I am not. And, to be clear, I do not think you have an actual mental disorder.

I think you may be a bit carried away, or possibly young. But it seems your heart is in the right place. I really just want to suggest that you may be happier, and more effective in creating the world you want, if you take a broader, more inclusive view.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

I wanted to know what credentials you have for giving considered political analyses. What kind of knowledge do you have of history or psychology or the power of rhetoric such that you would know whether a comparison to Trump to Hitler or Mussolini was apt?

I’m glad if you think I’m young or carried away. Unfortunately it is neither. I am happy to take a broader inclusive view. I have nothing against people who voted for him, which they did for all kinds of reasons. But I will not say that down is up or that black is white.

chilled
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chilled

What credentials does anyone need to see you are a loser, you are wrong and you are in the minority when it comes to Trump, probably everything else as well, I don’t know.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Great argument you have there, Chilled.

ostritch
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ostritch

You are dumb. Bozo alert.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Ostrich and Meth, you two are now no better than those who try to shut down speech because it is not politically correct. The hitler comparison here, but in no other case, is legitimate. Try to understand something about psychology and stop aiding and abetting abusive behaviour

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You’re emotional and hysterical beyond belief and your accusations are pathetic..

“stop aiding and abetting abusive behaviour”

Take your fucking meds already.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Meth, I thought you were smarter than that. Do you deny that Trump is an abusive person?

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

(I sincerely hope that you are just trolling me and don’t believe the position you’re expressing.)

Here’s something to read that connects Trump to the larger economic issues, including the effects of globalization.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/its_worse_than_you_think_20161111

ostritch
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ostritch

Bill Clinton minus Donald Trump= 0

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You are an abusive person for subjecting us to this torture.

ostritch
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ostritch

Hitler comparisons for everything + shutting down speech + psychological effects of defeat + Monsanto + not being witty + a BC education + no wit + no humour / time = A clinton defeat

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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@ostritch, Who made a Hitler comparison for everything? That’s a false and unfair insinuation. know about godwin’s law. I also know that I must support those Americans who are saying that we must not allow abuse to be normalized. Trump is abusive. Now the Breitbart guy has got appointed. Do you understand what sort of rag Breitbart is? This is going to be unbelievably bad. Sorry for the torture, @Meth I’d rather ignore the whole thing too. But I’ve got Mexican-American relatives who are disgusted, and I’ve got Musilm Canadian students who are freaked and I’ve got a pussy. Most important, I respect democratic institutions and the law. Trump and the people with whom he is surrounding himself do not. Trump, despite his billions, does not have the resources he needs to have to be President of the US. Let… Read more »
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I think the lunatic right believes that getting elected means that they can do bat-shit crazy stuff and get away with it. No you can’t. They honeymoon will soon be over when the reality hits.

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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

I hope, Tac. I think it’s an extremely dangerous situation.

I tried to make a comment up earlier in the thread to address Ostrich’s claim that I was throwing around the “hitler” word unjustifiably, and I used the word that starts with a “p” and ends with “ussy”. So my comment is under moderation — the software won’t allow it. Seems so unfair: Trump gets to use that word but I don’t. Why can’t I use that word? I have way more credentials than Trump does to be President so I should get to use that word too.

Tac
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Tac

He already has white supremacists in his cabinet. It is some scary shit. He is literally bat shit crazy and surrounded by most right wing elements in US recent history. The congress and supreme court are in their hands too.

Once the honeymoon is over, it does not mean that the nightmare will be over.

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Finally? The price was reduced $200k on October 18.

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The despair, the angst, the wailing…..the hilarity….the waste of time and money a university degree is these days.

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Bear Vancouverite

Aren’t you supportive of when university educated Vancouverites participate in protests and gatherings against inflated housing? I recall you berate millenials for not being more active and showing their anger during “#DontHave1Million”, now you denigrate people doing just that?

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YVR

The time for them to voice their opinion was on voting day and even in weeks prior to the election. Not days later. Half of these people didn’t even vote. The vote is done now. It is a 4 years term. This is not reversible with protests, petitions or crying.

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They should at least wait until he does something before they protest, that would be fine.

What they’re protesting now is the fair result of an election which makes them nothing more than anti-democracy sore losers.

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They are protesting normalizing abusive behaviour and pretending that this is politics as usual. The idea is not to undo the election but to keep the pressure on relentlessly, so he doesn’t step over the line. He’s got control of the surveillance state and the nuclear buttons and he has no self control.

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@ CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

No self control? I’m seeing a lot of people on the TV destroying things out on the streets right now protesting Trump that don’t appear to have any self control.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

They ain’t got their fingers on the nuclear button, so I don’t care.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Nuclear button. What is this, the 1970s?

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Newcomer, are you being a troll now? You know what I mean when I say “nuclear button”. I mean access to the codes and final authority on the decision to use them to set off a nuclear bomb. Or are you saying that the danger from nuclear bombs is a thing of the past?

history
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history

they got it backwards. Should be at home destroying their TVs

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Well, my friend, I’ll assume that you were familiar with Bill Clinton’s normalization of the Blow Job as a modern day handshake as opposed to an act of sex. How about Kennedy? “Jack could be shameless in his sexuality, simply pull girls’ dresses up and so forth. He would corner them at White House dinner parties and ask them to step into the next room away from the noise, where they could hold a ‘serious discussion.'” That quote comes from Kennedy’s closest friend, Lem Billings. No president to date has been removed from office via the impeachment process. Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson were impeached by the House. Neither one was convicted by the Senate. You might say that the threat of being impeached and convicted caused Richard Nixon to resign and leave office, but technically he left office voluntarily.… Read more »
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By “no self-control” I was not referring to his “grab them by the p1ssy” remarks. If that is what I meant I would have stated it straight out. While I think his attitude towards women is horrible in itself and a horrible model I was not talking about that. When I said Trump has “no self control” I meant exactly what I said, namely that he is impulsive. Generally. His impulsivity bears on everything, not just sexual choices. It bears on how he will interact with foreign leaders, it bears on how he will take revenge on those who cross him and it bears on the level of danger that exists in having him anywhere near the f-ing nuclear codes. It bears on the question of whether his cabinet will be stable and it bears on whether he will exploit… Read more »
CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

Trump is a textbook case of what DSM calls Narcissistic Personality Disorder. When such a person does not get the confirmation he seeks, he will react with irrational rage, that knows very few limits. This is what makes Trump very dangerous: irrational rage on twitter is one thing, irrational rage with U.S. military might at your disposal is another.

ostritch
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ostritch

Too bad you haven’t pitched yourself to the networks. But then again Dr Drew took your spot and failed.

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They are protesting normalizing abusive behaviour and pretending that this is politics as usual I’m sorry. I didn’t realize that you wanted to dance around each of your statements. Let’s be clear, I don’t like Trump, but you refuse to believe that he is just another morally bankrupt politician. His “impulsivity” during this election was a reflection of his refusal to follow the script of his handlers. At least, you were able to see who you were electing as opposed to the scripted robots who told you what they thought you wanted to hear.. How about Obama’s impulsive comments in 2008. In a Democratic primary debate on February 26, 2008, Hillary Clinton picked up the meme: “Last summer, he basically threatened to bomb Pakistan, which I don’t think was a particularly wise position to take.” During the general election, McCain… Read more »
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@oncebittwiceshy

Evidence of his impulsiveness does not consist only in statements he made in the run-up to the election. I am not talking about a politician changing his mind on something. I am talking about Trump’s whole mode of being. If he had ever penned a single thoughtful essay or had given a single intelligent talk on some nonpolitical matter that showed he had an ability for self reflection, extended periods of concentration, or patience or humility or respect for other people then I would take back my claim about his impulsiveness. Any links?

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Oh, and I stand by my remark, about the demonstrators in the US cities, viz. that
“They are protesting normalizing abusive behaviour and pretending that this is politics as usual”.

Angela Merkl is a good model here for understanding what it means not to countenance abusive behaviour:

“Germany and America are bound by common values — democracy, freedom, as well as respect for the rule of law and the dignity of each and every person, regardless of their origin, skin color, creed, gender, sexual orientation, or political views. It is based on these values that I wish to offer close cooperation, both with me personally and between our countries’ governments.”

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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

All you are doing is sharing your dislike/concern regarding Trump’s impulsiveness, moral shortcomings and stupidity. I’m not suggesting he is anything but a morally bankrupt billionaire seeking unlimited power.

What I am attempting to show you is that they are all the same. Name any President and I’m sure someone could dig up proof of their corruption, lack of morality, greed or desire for power.

Trump simply has the great fortune of proving his stupidity on the kinds of forums (twitter) that weren’t available to the other miscreants.

It doesn’t matter who you elect, they are all in it for the same reasons. Let’s move on.

ostritch
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ostritch

Actually it’s not the blow jobs Americans were ultimately sickened by, it’s the uber-lawyerly parsing of truth with “It depends on what your definition of “is” is.”

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@ ostritch “Actually, it’s not…. ‘is’ “is”.
Sure. But bringing up this has nothing to do with worries about Trump’s likelyhood of yuugely messing up the world.

ostritch
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Likeyhood. Is that related to Hollywood? You seem to be in fantasyland so maybe it is. I’ve got a good name for you: prognosticator and a poor one at that.

Can you wait 10 minutes for something to happen? Unfortunately, the sky isn’t falling. Yet. When it does, we will all be out protesting (especially if he’s worse than China). But that’s a pretty high bar as you’ll find out in the next 20 years.

CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName
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CanNeverThinkOfAGoodName

It has already fallen. Perhaps you don’t read a very broad range of newspapers and don’t know what he has caused already.

Gora
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Gora

There is you’re problem. You read the Newspapers.

Gora
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Gora

your

Tac
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Tac

Well, my friend, you are obviously and American playing politics. Bill Clinton was an excellent politician and he never insulted women or minorities. Trump on the other hand was tweeting insults. Trump was lying all the time. Toronto Star had a big collection of his lies.

Tac
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Tac

Why do you care?

Tac
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Tac

They want their voices to be heard. The reaction is preamble to his presidency.

ostritch
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ostritch

Take more TIME to figure out the IDEA behind Meth’s post. Then type.

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Why bring university education into the housing protest, why does that matter?

This is a local issue about a core human need that affects most people in our city so this kind of protest makes sense.

Protesting against democracy like the Marxists in the streets the last 3 nights cannot be compared to our housing protests.

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Bear Vancouverite

I have no love for Trump, and I happen to agree that the protests against Trump are illogical. I also have little sympathy for those who didn’t vote and now protest.

My point was that some very vocal posters here have been highly supportive of protests and public gatherings when such protests align with their own interests and beliefs, while right now making fun of the right to protest as hilarious wailing and those in the protests as being a waste of university degrees. if you believe in freedom of speech and the right to protest you should respect those rights whether you agree with the message or not.

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I fully support their right to protest, as well as my right to mock them.

It’s that simple.

ostritch
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ostritch

It’s their education that has made them dumb. It’s time to re-think the value of a liberal education as James Altucher says:

http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2010/02/dont-send-kids-college/

Here, the costs are mostly subsidized by taxpayers. But it doesn’t matter what Canada does, it’s the US that sets global standards. But whenever a parent can get in hock for sending his three kids to school for a million bucks, and all they learn is how to drink, f*ck and protest a clear election result, its time to re-think the whole system.

ostritch
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ostritch

Plus one. Plus eleven. Plus a million. You have no idea how right you are.

Midnight toker
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Midnight toker

Meh, so what else is new?

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The vermin are truly incredible.

They’re stealing in china and fleeing with the money to Canada.

They’re stealing in Canada and fleeing with the money back to china.

Stealing, fleeing, stealing, fleeing….and on and on it goes while we watch in amazement and wonder why our elected representatives allow this garbage to destroy our country.

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Prime Minister Trudeau had unpublicized fundraising reception with Richmondites – See more at: http://www.richmond-news.com/news/prime-minister-trudeau-had-unpublicized-fundraising-reception-with-richmondites-1.2628937#sthash.vdjRuj1b.dpuf

They told the News that the event was held by members of the Chinese community at the home and attendees reportedly paid several thousands of dollars to attend.

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Justin is selling us out.

We no longer have a Prime Minister, now we have a Co-Mandarin Chief.

Oracle
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Oracle

Justin is screwed. He is a puppet and will tarnish his fathers legacy. His masters know Canada is in for a world of pain.

If he instructs (yes instructs) Poloz to lower bank rate IN ORDER TO LOWER THE LOONIE, Trump will see right through it. Trump will put in quotas instead of tariffs.

I can see quotas for Softwood, Oil, and Cars coming to Canada. Decline.

But wait we have dumb McCallum who keeps flooding the cities with immigrants and foreign illicit money.

Oracle
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Oracle

Regarding the Trump win:

He won democratically. Get over the hissy fit.

If democracy works, then he will see through the agenda people voted him on. For the protestors out there, i seriously think you should all get criminal records for disrupting the peace.

Networks like CNN are trying to start a civil war. Heads should roll. No coup should be allowed to take place in the USA. The rioters should be dealt with harshly.

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So much talk before the election about Trump supporters causing trouble if he didn’t win.

That’s the worthless media for you, they forgot to mention (on purpose) that extreme leftists are just as dangerous as anyone else if they don’t get their way.

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“extreme leftists are just as dangerous as anyone else if they don’t get their way”

Sure, but haven’t they pretty much died out in the West? I remember FLQ, Weather Underground, Red Army Faction, etc. When was the last time the West saw a terrorist attack from the extreme left? It’s not Bernie Sanders supporters you see running around carrying guns.

And frankly I think a Trump victory is just as likely to stir up trouble from the extreme right as a defeat would have been. Take it from David Duke.

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No, they haven’t died out.

Berkeley is turning out record numbers and they’re more extreme than ever.

patriotz
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Yeah right. Let us know the next time something like the Patty Hearst kidnapping happens.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

http://vancitycondoguide.com/canadian-economy-unhealthy-addiction-to-real-estate/

The table at the bottom is truly remarkable. I had no idea that HELOCs constituted 12% of the Canadian GDP. 12%!

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http://m.huffpost.com/ca/entry/11309192

Over 12 percent of GDP is directly from Real Estate. With the HELOCs, that makes over 25 percent of the economy dependant on real estate. Its probably a higher percentage in BC.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Pope, any reason my comments are going to moderation?

No Money Down
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No Money Down

Vancouver Sun in full blown real estate mode today . Four housing- related articles in Section A.

Not really sure what the point of this article is:

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/daphne-bramham-the-americans-are-coming-the-americans-are-coming-but-will-we-let-them-in

“One of my friends in Vancouver was getting ready for work when his phone rang. It was a real estate agent. She was calling everyone in his building.”

“We have received a large number of requests from American clients looking to buy condos in Vancouver,” the realtor told him. “So, we are calling all owners in your building … quick sale at much higher than market value … I’ll even throw in a portion of my commission!”

Bear Vancouverite
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Bear Vancouverite

Sadly, I’m now hearing from boomer home owners in my family’s area that they now expect home prices to rise due to American interest. It’s definitely giving some home owners more confidence in the market (which the 15% sort of shook up). So Trump has had an effect on our housing as predited by many here, it has empowered boomers to be more greedy.

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Newcomer

It’s their money. If they want to sit still and watch it vaporize because they believe a significant number of Americans are going to keep the temper-tantrum going all the way through a job search and a visa application process, I say, knock yourselves out. Not everyone in this market is going to be so stupid, and it only takes a few to get the job done.

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Confucius

Does this mark the delusional stage of the bubble?

history
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history

not quite, Snowflake is at the bargaining stage, next up is depression stage.

ostritch
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ostritch

Agents are trying the same thing. It’s desperate.

Boombust
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Boombust

Such nonsense.

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HAMster

From 2011
Mainland Chinese Buying West Van.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMvPEuC4Q_0
Here is a reminder as to how long this gong show has been going on.

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Combat roach

A decade of city rapping by scummy savages. That hedgehog Rose Li is fascinating, elite investor…

Shut It Down Already
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Shut It Down Already

Shut up you racist.

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LOL!

I\'m With Stupid ^
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I\'m With Stupid ^

What kind of idiot says… Oh nevermind. teeheee

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