Eliminate character to avoid affordability 

There are some old homes on Vancouver and some people think we shouldn’t be tearing down 1000 of them each year.  The city has some heritage and ‘character’ protections in place, but these have the unfortunate side effects of slowing the relentless rising of house prices:

“The real data on the house next door is that it reduced the value by 15 per cent,” said Jackson, whose neighbour’s house was re-listed and sold for less money after the city determined it has “character features” on the exterior. 

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SpacedOut
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SpacedOut

Further evidence that the primary purpose of RE in this city is as an investment, and not as a place to raise your family. Pretty sad that we continue to elect officials that are willing to let this continue.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

horses have left the stable already. the powers that be have allowed this to happen more or less unchecked. yes, RE is now a business and fines, levies and what not are par for the course now. builders, investors will continue on as they have been for quite some time.

Buynow or Getlaidnever
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10 years ago in Vancouver top five cheapest SFH all sold for under $330,000. In 2016 top five cheapest SFH all sold for more $800,000.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3259858/top-5-cheapest-homes-sold-in-vancouver-in-2016-compared-to-2006/?utm_source=Article&utm_medium=MostPopular&utm_campaign=2014

ostritch
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ostritch

Thanks for boiling that down. I didn’t really get the point of that article.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

There is an interesting look at prices and affordability in Victoria here:
https://househuntvictoria.ca/2017/02/16/equal-affordability-but-some-affordability-is-more-equal-than-others/

This is pretty much the whole story.

Land Man
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Land Man

It’s ridiculous to have single family homes a 10 minute drive from downtown. Single family homes are the most subsidized form of land use. If you own or rent an apartment, you pay far greater share in property taxes as a percent of the roads, infrastructure and service you consume than a single family home owner, who sits fat and wide on the land, consumes more services per acre, and doesn’t pay their fair share. Therefor you are subsidizing them. Not to mention home ownership grants, property tax deferrals…

fomostyle
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fomostyle

True!

Combat roach
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Combat roach

Even better, many of those families living at west-side homes 10 minute drive from downtown get assistance as low or no-income families coming from our tax contributions. Ain’t that so cute…

FOMO
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FOMO

A lot of them are also filling those houses up with undeclared income from international student honestays.

history
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history

It’s like that in Victoria too, maybe even moreso. You’re a putz in this country if you’re not double, triple or quadruple dipping.

Hyper-mega-Bull
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Hyper-mega-Bull

you’re saying that single family homes don’t pay their fair share because there is more road in front of them? that seems like flawed reasoning.

aren’t tax deferrals and ownership grants available to condo and townhouse owners?

you seem like the kind of person who stuck their head in the sand and ignored HAM and foreign ownership for decades is now priced out and looking for a scapegoat.

Land Man
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Land Man

“you’re saying that single family homes don’t pay their fair share because there is more road in front of them? that seems like flawed reasoning.”

Yes. I am saying that. Less population per hectare paying for the same road, parks, schools transit etc as a higher density area. Explain how that reasoning is flawed.

history
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history

you are counting on political influence to bring in more Urban Addicted immigrants/tfw/refugees… that is the flaw

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

with an assortment of goodies ranging from free school supplies, $150M in new trees (and the highly sought after tree planting jobs the come with it), new schools, new bridges, new hospitals, engineered savings on ICBC and BC Hydro, first time homebuyer giveaways and 15% cash back rebates to eligible non-cdns already announced, what else will our gangster-in-chief be presenting her minions tomorrow???

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

She’s going to present many alternative facts including the claim that BC is “debt free”.

ostritch
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ostritch

Can anyone remind me of the new federal taxation on SFHs that recently came in? I thought you now had to parse the rental portions of your home off when you sell and pay cap gains on those portions when you sell, even if it’s your primary residence? Or did I dream that? No one seems to be discussing it. Maybe it’s not effective?

Newcomer
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Newcomer

That has always been the requirement, all that has changed is that you now need to declare it, even if you won’t be paying any tax on the same. In other words, if you are going to defraud the country, the tax man now wants it in writing. There was also a slight tweak to how partial years or principal residence are calculated, which was marked as cracking down of foreigners.

Donald T
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Donald T

Nice. I like it, Now the lying is an official record on paper. 3 hundred years later when the grandkids look back on ancesters.com, they know lying is in their DNA.

Love it.

patriotz
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“That has always been the requirement, all that has changed is that you now need to declare it ”

That is, you now have to declare the sale of your principal residence even if there was no portion rented out. Now CRA can easily check that all sales (they have access to land title records) match a declaration in someone’s income tax return.

Bear Vancouverite
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Bear Vancouverite

How is this different than what CRA could check before? I’m not sure I understand how the new requirement will alert CRA to anything that they wouldn’t have known about previously through some automated process that maps all Land Title records to T4s.

patriotz
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Mailing address of tax filer is not necessarily address of property. It is most of the time, but it isn’t often enough that a great number of matches would be missed, and they don’t have the manpower to check out those manually.

Bear Vancouverite
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Bear Vancouverite

Does this mean that if someone intentionally omits the information in their T4, then CRA will still not easily have the means to tie the two together.

If true, then anyone who has an intention to hide their behaviour is fairly well shielded from scrutiny.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

You now have to declare the sale to get the exemption so, I guess, not declaring the sale would, in theory, open you up to a penalty of 10% on the gains.

ostritch
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ostritch

I thought that before, even if you had rental income, the sale of your primary residence wa s entirely free from cap gains? And now it isn’t? Is,that not the change?

Newcomer
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Newcomer

No, that was not the case unless the rental area was “small” and did not involve structural modification. So, if you were renting out a room, you were OK, but if it was a suite, you were supposed to break that out from the principal residence part, even though people generally didn’t. Basically, a suite, or a laneway house, is not part of where you reside. You don’t go in there. It’s not your residence, it’s a business activity. The exemption has never applied to business use of a property where you may also happen to have your home.

patriotz
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“The exemption has never applied to business use of a property”

Yes it does and the same criteria apply. For example, if you use one room as a home office, that does not affect the principal residence status of the whole property.

Newcomer
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Newcomer

That is what I was saying. That would not be business use, it would be ancillary use. For example, if you deducted costs for that office from your income, then it would not be covered. But they have basically never enforced this.

ostritch
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ostritch

Yes. Thanks again.

ostritch
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ostritch

Thanks.

patriotz
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More than that, you are filing a false income tax return.

patriotz
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If any sale from Land Titles does not match a declaration in somebody’s tax return, CRA will now know that the owner is trying to conceal the sale. That’s what’s different now.

Burnaby Bear
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Burnaby Bear

No such automated process exists.

CRA could decide to obtain lots of Land Title records but they would have to manually enter the search criteria (names or addresses, etc.) and they have to pay for every search they obtain.

Bear Vancouverite
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Bear Vancouverite
The debate about densification aside, it’s a shame that some of these very salvageable character homes are being destroyed. If replaced by a newer character home or homes that would be great. I do like that the article mentions the city might provide incentives to encourage refurbishment of such homes, and discourage their replacement. Also, the other thing that is often overlooked is that quite counter to what the homeowner in the article claims, many older homes have very useable skeletons. Just check out the work they do on This Old House to see just how much surprisingly reuseable materials there are in older homes. In that program they even renovate 300 year old homes, never mind a home only built in the mid or early 1900s, the end result being homes that most can only dream of owning. What’s… Read more »
Whistler or Bust?
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Whistler or Bust?

That is a fair comment but one must look at the cost. Often it is (much) cheaper to simply knock it down and build new. The costs of this are much more certain than a massive reno. I for one do not have the guts to do a full reno on a character home. Far to much can go wrong.

patriotz
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” Just check out the work they do on This Old House ”

One of my favourite shows. One thing I notice is that their clients (and I think their neighbours too) look like they have a lot of both money and taste, a combination in short supply in Vancouver. For these people spending a lot of money on an old house likely pays off financially.

Bear Vancouverite
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Bear Vancouverite

Yes, both you and Whistler or Bust have probably identified the main culprit. I myself don’t have the guts either to do it. Still, it is a shame to see all the material waste and the character home be destroyed.

Maybe a fair trade off is to at least attempt at preserving some of the look or the look of another historically credible homage in the new build.

Ulsterman
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To play the grumpy old curmudgeon role, why even give a F@#k now? The city that those beautiful houses represented has been destroyed. When they were common Vancouver was affordable, less congested, more attractive to look at etc. It’s an entirely different city yet we nostalgically think about keeping it looking like it did back them. Just get on with it an complete the paving over paradise and get that parking lot built already. I really don’t care anymore if they covered the West End or Kits in dozens of 60 story towers. No point is getting all misty eyed for sloping roofs and porches.

Burnaby
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Burnaby

I agree.
“Those days are gone forever” – Don Henley – Boys of Summer – 1984

Jay Lee
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Jay Lee

That’s Steely Dan – Pretzel Logic – “Those days are gone forever, over a long time ago”

history
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history

80s, 70s, we are going back in time…Joni Mitchell said it best

history
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history

it’s true of Vancouver, let the new age densification run its course. The rich are moving to their boats and Gulf Island retreats. Still a question how they plan to house and care for their service class employees. Vancouvers rich need people, but it perplexes them because the slave might be someone they went to High School with. The slave eyes the Richmans wealth, and sees Liabilities and Assets, marked to a Subjective market. The richman squeezes every available drop of blood out of his marginal labour, delaying day in, and day out, his enourmous fixed burden. Crying out to Christy, Help! Help!

Land Man
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“”The real data on the house next door is that it reduced the value by 15 per cent,” said Jackson, whose neighbour’s house was re-listed and sold for less money after the city determined it has “character features” on the exterior. ”

Interesting take. Of course, one could also see it as her home went up 15% because the supply of non-heritage homes ripe for development was reduced, relatively speaking.

Van real estate buff
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Van real estate buff

Feb 20th, 2017 Vancouver R/E video review of Housing Bubble news: https://youtu.be/-2e9SN4akQE

paulb
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http://www.clivestevepaul.com

ostritch
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ostritch

8K pops its cherry

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Double that number and we’ve got something half-way interesting.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29
Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

This is why it’s best not to let them into the country in the first place.

Once they come in they never stop making demands.

Combat roach
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Combat roach

Those motherfuckers have no shame. Deport the whole family, who needs that garbage in Canada?

Hyper-mega-Bull
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Hyper-mega-Bull
bullwhip29
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bullwhip29
Hyper-mega-Bull
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Hyper-mega-Bull

HAHAHA!

history
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history

‘Medical care’ could be an ephemism in China for Harvesting Organs,
like ‘Health care’ means BirthControl in the West.

regards,
the Mop and Pail

Just me
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Just me
Singapore’s Home Curbs May Stay for Some Time, Minister Says https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-21/singapore-s-housing-curbs-may-stay-for-some-time-minister-says Singapore’s residential property curbs are expected to stay for some time as the city-state’s economy remains stable and demand is still “very resilient,” National Development Minister Lawrence Wong said. Singapore home prices fell 3 percent in 2016, with prices declining for the 13th straight quarter in the last three months of the year for the longest streak since data was first published in 1975. Still, Singapore house sales last year topped 2015’s tally as a third straight year of price declines stoked pent-up demand from homebuyers. steadfast in its commitment to cool the housing market, maintaining real estate curbs rolled out since 2009, with some of the strictest measures implemented in 2013. The government has repeatedly signaled it is reluctant to ease property curbs, including capping debt repayments at… Read more »
Just me
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Just me

So, what do you think Christy Clark’s budget will contain tomorrow? Any measures to lower prices in Vancouver for a significant period?

history
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history

1. she’ll increasethe budget for Advertising

2. Bring in more debt class immigrants.

3. Natural gas prices are crashing, so expect something on that. Wouldnt be surprised the budget is leaked to insiders and it’s affecting the market today.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

SUCCESS launches forum in wake of racist incidents, Québec massacre
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/success-launches-forum-in-wake-of-racist-incidents-and-quebec-massacre

>>> to link their issues with the Quebec massacre is a reach imho…

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

Pretty scummy to piggy-back on the Quebec massacre, it seems like the main concern of this group is to take the heat off the money-laundering locusts wrecking our city.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

best part is that this is partly funded by taxpayers

Combat roach
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Combat roach

Hmm… SUCCESS, a cover for the politburo secret service on the foreign soil?

history
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history

Since 911 and Sandy Hook was such a smashing success…

Banned Oracle
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Banned Oracle

Montreal has just declared itself a sanctuary city. Illegals can immigrate there without fear of deportation. They call the illegals ‘undocumented migrants’. Hahaha

I’m calling everyone I know overseas that the welcome mat is out. Papers or no papers.

The developer/banking industries basically control Canada.

Banned Oracle
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Banned Oracle

Oh, and I hate to say it but …. I told you guys this would happen.

Now here’s what’s going to happen iwhen the weather gets warmer.

April: illegal immigrant rate of entry 10,000/month

May: 30,000/month, Vancouver declares itself a sanctuary city.

June : 50,000 month.

Just watch. Vancouver is about to become one fucked up city.

squeak
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squeak

Agree. I don’t see why any Canadian young person would want to live there anymore. There is nothing. A beautiful city that got destroyed by greed.

ostritch
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ostritch

They cannot get OUT!

ostritch
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ostritch

That’s why the guy with a job offer in TX should take it. For his kids.

Doomcouver
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Doomcouver

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think a “sanctuary city” means that you can’t be deported while you’re there. It means if you access municipal services, you can’t be deported for it. If immigration officials are able to find out you’re an illegal without getting the information from the municipality you’ll still get deported. For workers in the municipality it’s like a “don’t ask / don’t tell” sort of policy.

patriotz
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” It means if you access municipal services, you can’t be deported for it.”

Yes that’s correct, but I don’t recall being asked for my passport to get a library card or use the community centre, anyway.

Doomcouver
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Doomcouver

Exactly, declaring yourself a “sanctuary city” doesn’t mean anything without the cooperation of the police. If anything this is a good way to nab illegals because they think they’re safe in a “sanctuary city” and they’re really not.

southseacompany
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southseacompany

“Nobody’s cheering, except real estate agents: The ‘trapped wealth’ of Toronto’s unrelenting housing boom”, Financial Post

http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/nobodys-cheering-expect-real-estate-agents-the-trapped-wealth-of-torontos-unrelenting-housing-boom

“It’s become a matter of considerable alarm. Stability is one concern: if the market tumbles, so will Canada’s economy”

““I don’t think anybody is cheering,” said Doug Porter, the Toronto-based chief economist of Bank of Montreal, who used the dreaded “bubble” word last week to describe the market. “I don’t see who benefits other than real estate agents. It’s trapped wealth.””

Just me
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Just me

Tell that to Christy Clark. She thinks it is great.

history
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history

Mop and Pail’s advertising revenue is where? Going up or down? Subscriptions? going up or down? Let’s do an analysis of the ownership structure of The Mop? It’s propaganda policy? i mean, their are tons of people in this country that can do investigative reporting. Getting the straight shit from this source is like expecting the CBC to provide news, aint gonna happen… you’re getting opinion

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

Chinese investors find their cash is losing its cachet
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-idUSKBN15Z281

“…on Vancouver’s upscale West Side, a neighborhood popular with foreign buyers where the price of homes runs in the millions of dollars, realtor Tom Gradecak was less worried about Chinese demand. In the past, Chinese investors have tended to find ways around capital controls. It won’t take them long,”

Just me
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Just me

Probably a coincidence, but didn’t Vancouver transactions drop by a comparable amount?

Overseas direct investment (ODI) by Chinese in December fell almost 40 percent from a year earlier to $8.41 billion, the lowest monthly level in 2016. In January, overseas property purchases by Chinese corporations plunged.

Banned Oracle
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Banned Oracle

C’mon. We all know Chinese money is driving Vancouver real estate.

And we know the ‘temp’ immigration streams are driving rent increases.

The powers that be want you to keep debating.

Move past this stage and start advocating for solutions as you know the cause.

history
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history

they will be crafty to find ways to get out of working too. Until they dont have income and turn to the govt for their trusty handout. If it comes to that, I expect it’ll be similar to the 1930s, when crooks were locked up on income tax evasion. They wont be locked up, per se, but asked to leave. This is the purpose behind the Chinese language ads to get homestays working. You gotta serve if you want the country to serve you. Generally not a difficult concept to grasp.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

BC Budget Day: taxpayer goodies, wish lists for education and real estate
http://www.news1130.com/2017/02/21/bc-budget-day-taxpayer-goodies-wish-lists-education-real-estate/

Just me
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Just me

Is she going to give more money to RE developers, home owners and the like?

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

Owners of a 114-unit condominium project in North Vancouver have become among the first in B.C. to secure court approval to sell their entire complex to a developer
https://www.biv.com/article/2017/2/condo-owners-cash-out-51-million-project-sale/

history
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history

interesting. There’s quite a few ndp’ers sitting in co-op type housing condos that missed the great inflation. This story is economic but with one eye on the electorate. If enough Shut Up money greases the palms of the housing disaffected, it could turn the election. Christy must have a German consultant on her staff, seeing how good this worked in Germany, when they moved to get rid of the unproductive Kurds and Turks, back in the 80s and 90s.

ostritch
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ostritch

WTF are you talking about? I can’t understand how your mind works half the time.

history
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history

Bowen Island Brewery is arguably the worst craft brewery o. the coast. Have you tred the iPA? swill. But if you visit Bowen Island you find a quaint, idealic community, with apple trees growing all over the place in dozens of different varieties.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

‘Trapped Wealth’ Drives Toronto’s Speculative Real Estate Dilemma
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-21/toronto-s-speculative-real-estate-dilemma-canada-economy-watch

>>> surely the same clowns who refuse to see the connection between the implementation of the FBT in Vanc and the parabolic movement in Toronto’s RE prices will be scratching their heads as to why Toronto RE suddenly cooled off in the second half of 2017

Newcomer
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Newcomer

That’s a snug fit you’ve got on your tinfoil hat.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

New poll shows B.C. Liberals, NDP deadlocked at 37 per cent
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/b-c/new-poll-shows-b-c-liberals-ndp-deadlocked-at-37-per-cent-1.10165773#sthash.GcpLVaxu.dpuf

>>> for what it’s worth…

Just me
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Just me

BC Libs are going to win again. BC voters hate the NDP, even if they are a far better option of Christy Clark right now.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

Petition calls for end to pet bans in B.C. rental buildings
http://www.straight.com/news/871416/petition-calls-end-pet-bans-bc-rental-buildings

>>> what’s next? landlords won’t be able to limit the number of tenants occupying their properties?

Newcomer
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Newcomer

Dude, there are petitions out there for cherry Koolaid in the municipal drinking fountains.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

say what you want, but lots of people own pets. changing this portion of the RTA would be a very clever way to get 1000’s of voters onside. this said, such a move might be more up moonbeam’s alley

patriotz
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It’s out of CoV’s jurisdiction.

Anyway, it might win over some renters but it would definitely PO a lot of landlords. Which group matters most to the Liberals do you think?

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

move would win over this target group. means nothing to landlords who will simply move these applications to bottom of pile.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

easier than shooting fish in a barrel…

https://www.kelownanow.com/files/files/images/dog%20inside(1).jpg

history
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history

1. high home ownership rates have been correlated to high pet ownership rates. ergo, Christy would enjoy beastialty home videos

2. Since pet ownership crimps human reproduction rates, expect this policy to go through. Mutts are gonna be everywhere, you aint seen nothin yet.

KickThemOut
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KickThemOut

Landlords are f*ing leeches and parasites on society. We need more rental housing and renter protections so people don’t feel the need / pressure to buy! Why can’t we have the kind of rental housing like in Germany or Nordic countries? Rental market and renter protection here are simply in the dark ages.

Whistler or Bust?
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Whistler or Bust?

Wow! So someone who owns a house and wants to rent it is parasite?

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

Clark government redacts risk analysis for George Massey replacement
https://www.voiceonline.com/clark-government-redacts-risk-analysis-for-george-massey-replacement-ndp/

>>> as if they were ever going to tell you the final cost (which will keep climbing as the various players scratch, claw and gouge for a bigger slice of cake) or what the actual purpose of the bridge really is. all we need to know is that the project was greenlit over christmas holiday a while back and that construction crews are and always have been sitting waiting and ready to get cracking the moment the election results start trickling in

Banned Oracle
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Banned Oracle

The actual purpose is to help the ports; help big ships pass underneath and helpntruck traffic from port. It’s not about commuters.

Why we trying to guess what the purpose is ??? Painfully obvious yet we write stuff like that.

Banned Oracle
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Banned Oracle

And to help bridge builders make money. Note how same company builds bridges here and all one at a time.

Funkey Monkey
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Funkey Monkey

Where do you get that info? My sources are better.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

i realize this. point is that this province is being run mafia style now with lies and corruption an everyday occurrence now.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

heard from a buddy that govt is looking at “tweeking” land transfer tax. first i have heard from this so maybe there is nothing to see here…

bullwhip29
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FOMO
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FOMO

Developer acquaintances tell me foreign tax gone as soon as she is back in. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

bullwhip29
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@ FOMO

i guess the million dollar question is whether this was always the plan from the beginning.

Just me
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Just me

Of course. Christy Clark is all about smoke and mirrors.
It is official BC Libs policy to perpetuate high house prices. What more evidence do you need?

history
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history

not unlike the spike in yields recently. Or like the spike in gold in 1999. Once it comes down to double bottom territory, make like Brown and sell Englands gold. In other words, you will be granted a second opportunity to sell RE to foreign money launderers, once the tax is removed.

bullwhip29
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@ history
what about the poor schmucks that sold in the fall/winter at an “engineered” discount thinking the FBT was here to stay? on top of this, many of these buyers will be getting FBT refunds while the sellers get nothing more than a HAM sandwich

history
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history

they should know better. Ask Dave about reversal spikes after a long uptrend or downtrend. Use the gold analogy, 1997 to 2001 to see the double bottom, 1999 spike.
Apply it roughly to the housing top last year, yield/tax causing the reversal this winter, and we go up around April/May(?) on Christy’s lap dancing election.. the double top…

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

calling all students, homemakers and pig farmers…

first shaughnessy estate assembly – list price $46,800,000
http://www.manyeelui.com/ActiveListings.php/Details/1536/1238-tecumseh-avenue-vancouver-bc#viewdetail

July 2016 assessed values for individual parcels
1238 – $6,389,000
1242 – $4,331,000
1248 – $4,875,000
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total $15,595.000

>>> is the agent living in fantasyland or is she about to take a page out of Julia Lau’s playbook? hmm….

Abdul Lahazi
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Abdul Lahazi

This house is too old and should be torn down.

Banned Oracle
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Banned Oracle

Many detached houses are going to be assembled in the future as the big money flows in.

You are going to have bigger detached homes in vancouver and at the same time condo complexes that are crammed. No middle ground as time goes on. The Divide.

ostritch
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ostritch

Please tell me this isn’t happening? Are these not heritage protected?

Hyper-mega-Bull
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Hyper-mega-Bull

Trump Team Maps Sweeping Deportations for Undocumented Migrants

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-21/trump-team-starts-detailing-immigration-crackdown-plan-in-memos

Canada lifts visa requirement on Mexico – December 1, 2016

Banned Oracle
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Banned Oracle

Yes. The flood will come in.

Developers and RE holders make out like bandits.

After a few years, immigration sentiment changes. Backlash.

Then,

People here will be left holding the bill via higher taxes, lower paying jobs (which leads to crime). The elite will be on their yachts.

People who make treasonist policies need to be held accountable with jail time. Otherwise, fraud and corruption will continue to grow in this country.

history
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history

if they get deported, their debt is cancelled. Cool your heels in a country like Canada on a Soros credit card, until your deported again. Canadian debt cancelled. Keep it going baby, unlimited ingenuity. Welcome to Hollywood 5th column banking. Refugee spin gonna be a sought after gig. Wish i was Undocumented alien with 500,000 debt owing… drooling after Soros credit card awaiting me in Christy land.

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Abdul Lahazi

City of Vancouver to vote on new $8K logo. The firm was asked to come up with a logo that’s easily recognizable to those whose first language isn’t Engrish.
http://www.cknw.com/2017/02/21/city-of-vancouver-to-vote-on-new-8k-logo/

Combat roach
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Combat roach
Hyper-mega-Bull
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Hyper-mega-Bull

the first step towards having a chinese logo.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

No kidding, where are the gold stars?

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

$8000 spent on a new logo so simple that could have been made by a computer literate 3 year old.

I like Combat Roach’s logo much better.

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