Friday Free-for-all! June 1st 2018

It’s the end of another beautiful week and that means it’s time for another open topic discussion thread for the weekend. Friday free for all time!

Here are a few recent links to kick off the chat:

Survey on housing and foreign investment
Why are Vancouver and Toronto so unhappy?
UIsterman on CKNW
Short term rental investigation
Reliance on housing fuels recession call

So what are you seeing out there? Post your news links, thoughts and anecdotes in the comments below and have an excellent weekend!

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southseacompany
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southseacompany

“Global Real Estate Prices Are Synchronizing & Creating A Real Estate Supercycle… That’s Bad”, Better Dwelling

https://betterdwelling.com/global-real-estate-prices-are-synchronizing-to-create-a-real-estate-supercycle-thats-bad/

“Global economies are becoming more interconnected, and so are real estate markets. Researchers at the International Monetary Fund (IMF) measured prices in 44 cities, and 40 countries – both in advanced and emerging markets. What they found is that whole countries are seeing real estate prices in the closest synchronization since the Great Recession. Even weirder, this is the first time that whole countries are moving in synch, at the same time as major cities. Not even around the Great Recession did we see that. Cool observation, right? It’s less cool once you realize we may have just entered a global real estate super cycle.”

Just me
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Just me

International capital is arbitraging out prices of land.

Someone has to stop this. It makes life hell for local income earners. We need burbs that dissuade Chinese millionaires from storing their wealth in Vancouver real estate.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

You think there are enough Chinese millionaires to influence real estate in every country?

Just me
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Just me

Nope. Not every country. But enough for Vancouver.

patriotz
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“Even weirder, this is the first time that whole countries are moving in synch, at the same time as major cities.”

Gee, maybe because it’s the first time major countries have all had super low interest rates for a decade?

Name
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Name

Possibly the latest tool in finding suitable Vancouver tenants? A personality quiz

http://www.news1130.com/2018/06/01/possibly-latest-tool-finding-suitable-vancouver-tenants-personality-quiz/

Question 1:
“I admire people who own expensive homes, cars, and clothes”

wtf is this what Vancouver is coming to???

Laibach
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Laibach

It is a “social exercise” targeting an ability to accept differences, in this case, Chinese that are filling Vancouver over past several years and immensely supporting RE industry. Those Chinese coming and settling here are in particular Stage-3 (Show off) phase of their social and human development and that is exactly what we are experiencing with all their shitshow across the city and country.

“The “show off” stage is when consumers start “tripping over each other trying to acquire symbols of wealth and displaying them in a conspicuous manner,” according to HSBC.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/china-showing-off-wealth-luxury-2011-9

Oracle
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Oracle

It’s a permanent stage. Don’t base your views on it being temporary.

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

That’s Racist!

kabloona
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kabloona

“Vancouver tries to stay ahead of Airbnb listers who are breaking new rules designed to protect rentals”

https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2018/05/31/vancouver-tries-to-stay-ahead-of-airbnb-listers-who-are-breaking-new-rules-designed-to-protect-rentals.html

VANCOUVER—City of Vancouver staff say they have made headway enforcing new rules intended to crack down on short-term rentals the city believes takes apartments and homes out of the long-term rental pool.

But one resident who has complained to the city for four years about illegal Airbnbs in her building said she has yet to receive any information about the status of her long-standing complaints or see the listings removed.
Ulrike Rodrigues has complained to the city many times about Airbnb activity in her Mount Pleasant condo building.

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

Why was she complaining to the city? Airbnb was not illegal back then, unless at the strata level…in which case she should have complained to the strata…or am I missing something?

YVR
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YVR

Rentals of less than 1 month have always been illegal unless you are a licensed hotel or bed and breakfast.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

The federal government is spending $50 million for housing for refugees! Just disgusting. I know lots of people who have lived in Canada all their lives and worked in Canada all their lives and contributed and raised kids and volunteered to coach soccer, etc, and these people have lived their whole lives in overpriced, inadequate rentals. Kids cramped up and not enough bedrooms and mould and shoddy wiring. This is what the born in Canada have to live with while we go to work everyday. But if you ar a refugee the government is bending over backwards for you. Look how quick they came up with this money for refugees, while they sat back and let Vancouver burn for decades!

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

Vote Conservative in the next ekection. They will put an end to this que jumping stat!

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
You are confusing immigration and economic refugees. (The $50 mil you mention is for the latter) There is no party in Canada that wants to stop immigration but at least the Conservatives want to stop these fake refugees walking in with their suitcases. From Tory MP Michelle Remple The problem we’re seeing at the Quebec border is because the Safe Third Country Agreement is silent on what happens when somebody illegally enters the country … and this loophole is where we are seeing the demand increase. Safe Third Country Agreement to stay: immigration minister Now Justin Trudeau has said that he wants to observe this [agreement], but by allowing the unplanned migration to come through the border illegally without taking any action to close that loophole … we’re encouraging people to take that route. So you’re proposing what? Can you… Read more »
KickThemOut
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KickThemOut

Heartless locust, always just thinking about yourself!

backwardsevolution
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backwardsevolution

Make Vancouver Canadian Again – do you have a link? Where did you read this? Of course, Trudeau really doesn’t care about the refugees. He’s really pandering to his big construction and corporate donors who will really reap the benefits from all this building. For business, it just means more consumers! And they’re probably getting welfare to boot! You are right, this is completely disgusting.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

Links get you stuck in moderation. It’s on CBC. The headline is: “Hussen pledges $50M for housing for asylum seekers to ease pressure on big cities”

You can google it.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

$50m is a drop in the ocean compared to social program for Canadians. Go fuck yourself you piece of shit.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

On the previous discussion, someone said that we need to vote Conservative in order to get immigration levels to come down.

Really? Will the Conservatives really do that? I had no idea the Conservative Party of Canada wanted to reduce immigration.

I’m not being facetious. For most of my life, I have been an NDP voter and supporter and I have campaigned and volunteered for the NDP. Now I am a Trump supporter and a fan of Diamond and Silk. So I have moved to the right and I doubt I will ever vote for the NDP again. I voted for Trudeau’s Liberals in the last election–but that was just a brief pitstop on my rightward journey away from the NDP.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again
I am not necessarily going to support the Conservatives, actually I probably won’t. All the years I supported NDP, I never saw the Tories as being anti-immigration. I am shocked when I see commments online from Conservatives who see the Conservative Party being naturally inclined to not like immigration. I had no idea Conservatives saw themselves that way. They certainly don’t say it in public. I thought Conservatives and Stephen Harper were huge supporters of immigration. Didn’t Stephen Harper raise immigration levels to unprecedented new heights? I thought Conservatives were all about selling the country out to China and cutting taxes for the rich despite any negative social effects. Anyways, I won’t be voting for the federal Conservatives because Scheer is a self-described feminist and I believe they will keep immigration levels very high and continue with ridiculous politically correct… Read more »
Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

OK, so who do you suggest we vote for if we want reduced immigration?

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again
I don’t know. I wish there was a populist right wing movement in Canada like there is in the US and Europe. Voting for the Conservatives is like voting for establishment Republicans. Those are not Trump’s people. The establishment Conservatives are part of the swamp that Trump needs to drain. I am trying to send a message to Conservatives in Canada. It is the same message of Jordan Peterson: If you don’t even act Conservative, you’ve already lost. Conservatives in the know, that is people who have long considered themselves Conservative may see the party as critical of immigration, but young people and potential new voters do not see the Conservatives that way because we’ve never heard them saying anything other than they love to welcome immigrants with open arms. That’s all the Conservatives have ever said so forgive me… Read more »
ElVince
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ElVince

You understand that Trump isn’t a “Trump people”, right? And that if Trump ran for office in canada, he would have less support than a dead camel?

I hear Nambia doesn’t have much immigration. Maybe it would be a good place for average trump lemmings.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again
You sound triggered. I do not agree with your assertions at all. Trump is highly popular in Canada and the populist movement is bigger than Trump, it is something going on in the entire Western world, which Canada is a part of. Trump would have even higher support in Canada if it weren’t for the fake news. Just waiting to see how the CBC spins the historic meeting today between a North Korean top official with Trump at the White House. This is actually a historic day. It is the biggest accomplishment of any sitting president in my lifetime if Trump succeeds with denuclearizing North Korea. Vancouver and the North Pacific in general are major beneficiary as we were right in North Korea’s sites on a direct flight path from North Korea and the closest major North American city to… Read more »
Oracle
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Oracle

Trump would win.

Watch Ford win Ontario.

patriotz
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“Watch Ford win Ontario.”

For over a year the Ontario PC’s had been 10 points or more ahead of their nearest rival, then the Liberals. They held on to this lead even as leader Patrick Brown was ousted over a sex scandal and and party got an interim leader. Once Ford was chosen leader the lead started evaporating and many polls now show the NDP ahead. Oh by the way:

“We take care of new Canadians,” Ford said. “We take care of immigrants coming to this country.”

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

“Mayor Rob Ford was widely criticized in 2008 for saying that “Oriental people work like dogs” and are “slowly taking over.”

patriotz
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“Mayoral candidate Doug Ford, centre, at the base of the flagpole, during the raising of the Chinese flag at city hall in honour of China’s National Day”

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/toronto2014election/2014/09/30/doug_ford_on_chinese_residents_i_know_one_thing_they_want_subways.html

Oracle
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Oracle

There is no one. They nixed the chance when they cancelled electoral reform.

Once the poor increase in numbers and start suffering massively, maybe they will have a revolt.

Say in about 15 years or so.

Oracle
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Oracle

Conservative are the ones that raised initially in late 80’s. That’s when real estate started going up effectively screwing the younger generation.

The people are way behind. The ‘deep State’ as someone says has infiltrated all major parties. Only a new one will represent the people.

But not holding out hope as the populace has been dumbed down beyond comprehension.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

“populace has been dumbed down beyond comprehension.”

I would upvote this if I could. It’s excruciating how dumb the vast majority of people are. It’s insufferable for the few of us who still know how to think for ourselves. If my tone is brash, perhaps it is because I am hoping to wake someone up. I mean no offense.

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

“Conservative are the ones that raised initially in late 80’s.”

This is less clear than your usual drivel. What the hell does this even mean?

backwardsevolution
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backwardsevolution

He meant Conservatives are the ones who raised immigration numbers initially in the late 80’s. That’s because, like the Liberals, they’re pandering to their business donors.

KickThemOut
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KickThemOut

NDP will welcome 1 million rapugees and says it’s your fault when those rapugees commit a crime. The Cons as evil as they will at least implement some common sense filters to keep out the worst most violent ones.

Oracle
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Oracle

So there you have it.

MLAs on summer break till September.

So how did the first 1.5 years look?

Just wanted them to push in ridesharing and bold housing action. Damn! Maybe after next election.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

Conservatives who don’t act Conservative. NDP turning their backs on the working class. Liberals led by a virtue-signaling twit. It’s sad times for Canada. I’m not voting until there is someone worth voting for–and I have yet to see that at any political level.

It’s as though the entire political class is paralyzed, unless of course they are engaging in some virtue signalling PC drivel–all they seem to know how to do. Aside from perhaps the odd exception, they are a vacuous lot who really should be ashamed of what they have done to Canadians and if they had any integrity, most politicians would resign in disgrace and let competent people take over for their own good and the good of the country.

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

Sounds like you should start your own populist party. That’s how movements work – grassroots.

The Federal Conservatives did a great job and the country was in good shape until people like you voted for “CHANGE”

How’s that working out for all you Justin voters?

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again
Voting for Justin is working out terribly. I will readily admit that. But mine was never a vote for the Conservatives in the first place. I switched from NDP to Liberal, so it was a vote lost for the NDP. Who would you rather have as PM? Trudeau or Mulcair? As terrible as Trudeau is, I think Mulcair would have been far worse. Quebec would be ruling the country right now if Mulcair were PM. Don’t forget the NDP were in second place and had a real shot at victory for the first time ever. No pundit has pointed this out, but it is actually a very consistent pattern: During the campaign, Trudeau talked up working class issues like there was no tomorrow. His speeches often called out to the “working class” directly. That helped get voters from the NDP.… Read more »
patriotz
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“His speeches often called out to the “working class” directly. ”

He never used that phrase. He said “middle class”.

backwardsevolution
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backwardsevolution

I don’t care what “class” he used. He’s a complete idiot, as was Harper before him. Both totally pander to their major campaign donors, and both have ruined the country.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

I stand corrected. Trudeau was talking about the middle class and those aspiring to join the middle class. The point is he was talking about class politics, but he came into power and governed with identity politics and hardly pays attention to class issues.

realist
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realist

Correct about Justin’s use of language – but that is nonetheless part of his target demographic. The working class has often not wished to self-identify as such; especially its aspirational elements prefer middle class identification. Justin’s language copies usage in UK & USA. It also serves to deflect attention from the destruction of much of the working class by off-shoring, union-busting, and drugs.

patriotz
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“The Federal Conservatives did a great job and the country was in good shape until people like you voted for “CHANGE””

Things were just ducky until 2015? How long has this blog been around? Go check it out from a few years back and tell us how great things were.

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

Balanced budgets
Strong economy
Good business enviroment
Lower taxes
Less spending
Smaller Gov’t

These are just off the top of my head. Of course they weren’t perfect and made mistakes but overall history will judge that period and Harper a good one for Canada.

There is more than Real Estate to running a country and Vancouver is not Canada.

backwardsevolution
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backwardsevolution

Harper AND Trudeau Jr. have both greatly added to the ruination of this country. In fact, it all started to go downhill from Trudeau Sr. onward. Both parties are equally to blame.

YVR
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YVR

“Things were just ducky until 2015?”

Things were a whole lot duckyer in 2015 than today in 2018. Most people would be celebrating if we had 2015 back again. We got change just the wrong type. Higher debt, taxes and housing prices.

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

You voted for Horgan. Why don’t you ask your sources?

patriotz
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“So how did the first 1.5 years look?”

Seems your math skills are even worse than your English skills.

Oracle
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Oracle

For the newbies, this guy works at immigration Canada in ottawa.

And he’s deceitful too.

1.5 years means until they are back in Sept. they can’t pass anything if they’re on summer break.

Another damn troll.

YVR
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YVR

Either way all metrics are negative since the NDP has taken over. Prices up 20%. Pretty pathetic considering the feds increased interest rates twice and implemented B20 since the NDP took power.

stagnate
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stagnate

for decades it was considered highly inappropriate to question immigration. i saw positives like cute ethnic girls and some cool restaurants. really though immigration is the drug that has turned our economy into a never ending drug addict. immigration should have been halted decades ago. at least now people can talk about it

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

Equally stupid.

Our birth rate is not sufficient to replace the population and fund the social programs in the country.

We need immigration but the right kind. The right people with the right skills and right work ethic. People who want to be Canadian not whatever country they came from living in Canada. The people who have come in the last 30 years are very different from the people who came in 1920-1980.

Oracle
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Oracle

We have a positive natural increase in population with zero immigration.

Don’t buy the BS propaganda.

Japan is doing fine.

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

Now that is hilarious and one if theeeee stupidest things you have ever said.

(That’s saying a lot)

Oracle
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Oracle

Whistler speaks like a true bull.

Vsisit BC stats and tell us what births minus deaths are. If it’s a positive number we would grow even without immigration.

Can’t stand fools who are purposely deceitful.

backwardsevolution
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backwardsevolution

Make Trudeau a Drama Teacher Again – that’s BULL! Get educated.

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

Problem is that our immigrants are taking from this country rather than giving…mining our social programs. For how much immigration is costing our country, we would have been better off funding families to allow them to have 3 or 4 kids instead of 1 or 2….plus housing at 1/3 the price would help with that also.

YVR
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YVR

“Our birth rate is not sufficient to replace the population and fund the social programs in the country.”

Yes but how much immigration? We keep hearing if we don’t raise taxes we won’t have enough hospitals and schools for the population growth. We need road pricing of $8 tolls every bridge because there will be another million people here soon and roads will be grid locked. We have to pay $1M for a 1 bedroom condo in Vancouver because we have limited land. Kind of sounds like massive immigration has more negatives than positives. What were the benefits again?

Dave
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We can’t halt immigration but we definitely need to put more consideration into what numbers are appropriate and the process of taking people in.

The system is currently broken and it’s not working for our country. The numbers need to drop until the housing crisis resolves itself.

If our governments put their heads in the sand, we will very quickly have an anti-immigration party in Canada, similar to Trump, Brexit and what’s happening in Italy, France, Holland and Germany. The powers that be need to really rethink the direction they are taking our country. We are getting close to a tipping point.

patriotz
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“we will very quickly have an anti-immigration party in Canada”

The closest we ever got to that was the Reform Party, and you know how that worked out. The powers that be on the right (personified by Stephen Harper himself) will never allow the emergence of another party on the right to take votes from the Conservatives. The Conservatives may turn down immigration a bit and crack down on refugees (whose numbers aren’t that significant), but don’t expect any real change as long as 905 determines Canadian elections. And check out the results from the Richmond ridings if you think they’re going to take any action against Chinese in particular.

Dave
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Heard that before… in every example I cited. I’m sensitive to the mood of the people and I’m sensing a shift in Canada. I not only called Trump winning, I called Brexit.

I’m right wing and I don’t like the extreme right. I’d rather see all our parties address the issue. If they don’t, the exact same thing will happen here. We’re not magically immune.

It’s also going to have more traction than you can imagine. It has the potential to pull in people from the left.

patriotz
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Canada does not have proportional representation which allows fringe parties to get elected, nor does it have a primary system which allows outsiders to take nominations. Brexit was the result of a failed gambit by Cameron to silence his rivals in the UK Conservative Party. Do note the EU migrants who were the focus of the “immigration” controversy weren’t allowed to vote.

I reiterate – the right in Canada is not going to allow a rival party to the Conservatives.

YVR
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YVR

“Canada does not have proportional representation which allows fringe parties to get elected”

Eby is drafting the referendum for BC right now. Jr. Turd promised it but reneged. It may not be far off federally if it wins in BC.

patriotz
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“It may not be far off federally if it wins in BC.”

The federal Conservatives, like the BC Liberals, are steadfastly opposed to any change from the FPTP system. That’s because they know PR would result in near-perpetual left of centre coalitions. JT dropped electoral reform once he got a majority. That leaves the NDP and good luck seeing them win federally.

patriotz
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” Turd promised it but reneged. ”

I should have noted that JT never advocated PR. He wanted preferential balloting which would have favoured (surprise) the Liberals. As I said, once he got a majority he decided he didn’t need it.

backwardsevolution
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backwardsevolution

patriotz – “The closest we ever got to that was the Reform Party.” I agree with Dave – times are different now. People are getting angry.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again
The baby boomers are dying off. So a new political party does not need to emerge necessarily. As the baby boomers retire and die off, they will be replaced with younger people. On the Conservative side of the aisle, younger people are rejecting political correctness and nonstop virtue signalling from pop stars and celebrities. Even TMZ is political now. Younger people do not see themselves in the old style conservatives and are far more open to gay people and violent video games. They are not like the old stodgy Conservatives. They like Trump, by and large. So the Conservative Party will have to change if it is going to remain relevant to conservative-minded people as the generations change. Upcoming generations will not all be generations of real estate speculators like the baby boomers/gen X so it’s going to be a… Read more »
YVR
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YVR

“The closest we ever got to that was the Reform Party, and you know how that worked out.”

With PR the Reform Party will probably be pretty prominent. Be careful what you wish for.

backwardsevolution
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backwardsevolution

Dave – “The numbers need to drop until the housing crisis resolves itself.”

Dave, the Federal Government does NOT want the housing crisis resolved. They are desperately trying to keep prices up. That’s why they’re bringing in so many, and Trudeau is even increasing this number. He could care less about the average person or what is in the best interest of the country. His main concern is benefiting his campaign contributors: developers, the real estate industry, big corporations. Poloz is aiding and abetting him.

YVR
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YVR

“the Federal Government does NOT want the housing crisis resolved. They are desperately trying to keep prices up. ”

The BC NDP are doing the exact same thing. If they wanted priced to go down they would be down already.

patriotz
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“Dave, the Federal Government does NOT want the housing crisis resolved. They are desperately trying to keep prices up.”

Prices have been dropping in Toronto for a year and people are already losing their shirts – stories to this effect have been posted here. That’s the place the federal government (be it Liberal or Conservative) cares about.

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

That’s why we need PR at the federal level as well, so that we can have a niche anti-immigration party that will not get enough votes to gain power, but will have enough to be powerful in that they’ll form a coalition with their terms being a reduction in immigration.

d\'oh
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d\'oh

> i saw positives like cute ethnic girls and some cool restaurants.

bubble heads like you are the reason we are in the mess we are in now. just thinking with your dick and stomach. thankful that white worshiping asian girls pay attention to you because your own kind never would. well, now that you’ve finally woken up to reality it’s too late.

kabloona
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kabloona
“Cost-conscious parents buying condos for kids studying away from home” https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/vancouver/article-cost-conscious-parents-buying-condos-for-kids-studying-away-from-home/ “…..We did the math. Where we landed was that buying was the same cost as renting except for condo fees,” said Mr. Laforce, who helped his 19-year-old son, about to enter second-year computer science, move in just last month. And that’s not factoring in how much the value of the condo might go up in the four years. That can be a big plus. Mr. Morrison, who bought a condo near Vancouver’s Simon Fraser University for his daughter, Riley, two years ago for $348,000, has seen its assessment increase by 20 per cent already. Like Mr. Laforce, he says, “Do the math on it and you’ll find it makes a whole lot of sense. And money’s pretty easy to come by these days.” O Lord….Somebody….please stop the MADNESS!!!!!! 🙂
backwardsevolution
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backwardsevolution

kabloona – a fool and his money.

stagnate
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stagnate

oh I didn’t realize we needed immigrants to fund our social programs, ha ha.
oh and the people’s who came in the last 30 years are very different from the one’s that came before?! . you should think before hitting the send button

Oracle
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Oracle

Social programs are set up by the elite to prevent mass uprisings. You have bought the propaganda.

Healthcare will be privatized. Try to find a family doctor. Try to live on income assistance.

Again, what’s your point?

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Think it’s bad now? Try to find a family doctor when all the immigrant doctors are turned away.

Oracle
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Oracle

Fuck off. Your not welcome in this country.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

*You’re

specuskeptic
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Remember that his IQ is 99 percentile….

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

I meant in attitude and values. (But you knew this)

We need to replace people who retire with workers dummy.

KickThemOut
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KickThemOut

Garth is bitching about rental protections….guess he’s scared about his RE investments?

http://www.greaterfool.ca/2018/06/01/rentiers/

Oracle
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Oracle

Can’t believe that guys is not in jail. Tell me the difference between Madoof lying and him lying about foreign money and immigration.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Then call the RCMP, dumbass.

Oracle
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Oracle

Fuck you.

Can’t wait for the USA to wage war against China. You and your family will be the first to be rounded up motherfucker.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Racists are so predictably dumb. It’s cute.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

Fighting the enemy is now racist as well you low IQ mouth breather?

Fuck off, vermin.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Get a life, keyboard warrior.

YVR
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YVR

“Tell me the difference between Madoof lying and him lying about foreign money and immigration.”

Madoff stole peoples money. Garth at best is providing inaccurate forecasts and opinions and not disclosing his RE interests on his blog.

backwardsevolution
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backwardsevolution

Stop reading the glorified salesman or clicking on his site. He’s shown his true colors and needs to be ignored.

Just me
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Just me

Garth Turner is small-minded, mostly ignorant and frankly arrogant for no reason.
He would deserve much worse than he obtained so far.
I am surprised that some people actually read his junk., There is no signal. Only noise and overwhelming anger against the world.

KickThemOut
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KickThemOut

Vigil to remember the Tian An Men massacre is this coming Monday June 4 at both the Chinese consulate and in front of the Art Gallery! Come out and denounce the massacre!!!

Also, apparently China never got the memo that this is a post gender, male superiority world now. Naming stuff after Men is not appropriate anymore!

Name
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Name

Changes to ICBC payouts for people involved in serious crashes

http://www.news1130.com/2018/06/01/icbc-payouts-serious-crashes/

“The province says anyone seriously injured in a crash on or after January 1, 2018 will now be eligible to get up to $300,000 towards their medical care and recovery — that’s double the previous amount.”

Cracking down on the scammers and bad drivers is paying off!!!
More effective governance by the BC NDP.
Go Eby GO !!!

Oracle
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Oracle

Means if you get hit by a foreign drivers licence holder driving a huge SUV, then the max you get is $5500 for your soft tissue injury however bad.

The body shops, doctors reports, healthcare paramedical, and lawyers continue to take in the bucks at your expense.

And you’re cheering this? So gullible. On the other hand effective policy to sway the minions by gov.

Oracle
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Oracle

And previously, some accidents required 24 hour care for life for some victims. And they were paid millions for this care.

This is only for victims that are compensated $5500 for their injury. Do you really think they require $300,000 in benefits? Jokes on you. This is all optics.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

as long as a so called medical “expert” claims further treatment is necessary, the payouts will continue and everyone gets paid for doing nothing for longer.

YVR
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YVR

You have always been eligible to get what ever medical care and recovery is necessary for your injuries. There is no limit. That is the law and always has been. ICBC pays up to the amount the person is insured for but still that does not put a ceiling on the amount. It is only under the NDP they have restricted medical care payments for minor injuries to a certain amount. For that you now pay a higher rate. Hardly fixing anything. They cut your insurance coverage and now charge you more for less coverage. Typical NDP. You pay more for less.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

and one has to wonder why all the masseuses, acupuncturists and other so called wellness practitioners operating in RIchmond are making a killing these days…

paulb
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New
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Price Change
80
Sold
105
TI:11817

http://www.clivestevepaul.com

Screwed
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Screwed

How come it’s not 12000 yet and apparently decreasing?

Oracle
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Oracle

We are going to be at peak in about 30 or 60 days and then downhill.

Premature cheering when nothing of REAL housing policy brought in. B20 and ’30 point plan’ all BS.

This is why I complain here. Cheerleaders like JustMe and other giving NDP kudos where it’s not deserved.

Watch the 9K party come September. When another 50,000 foreign students and their 10 year visa holder paraents make landfall for the first time.

jbloggo
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jbloggo

Month end expiries – listings that did not sell, and will be re-listed in June

Oracle
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Oracle

How do you know they’ll be relisted?

BubbleTea
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BubbleTea

105 sales, we could have a sub 100 sales day in June. Can’t recalled it that have ever happened in June, maybe in 2008.

Name
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Name

U.S. Defence Secretary slams China’s weaponization as ‘intimidation and coercion’

https://globalnews.ca/news/4248854/chinas-weaponization-south-china-sea/

more chineeze aggression but aren’t they are our friends; or keep your friends close but your enemies closer?

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

China will never do anything material, in terms of aggression as they know international sanctions against it would crush it’s economy…mostly just showing off to its own people.

BubbleTea
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BubbleTea

China is an evil empire which lied, steal, and bullied to become a global empire. As much as I hate trump, he is the only president that reacts to unfair trade practice. Shame on you JT, RBC and Air Canada.

Just me
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Just me

The PRC is becoming a dangerous, anti-liberal military behemoth. Everyone should be worried.

They are definitely a force for good.

Just me
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Just me

Not a force for good.!

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

Should have nuked them in the 50’s, now it’s going to get real messy taking them down.

Lost...but not leased
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Lost...but not leased

How’s SIDA doing…..?

Contributed anything yet?

Oh…that’s what I thought…..still trying to pick up Sino MILFS…

Oracle
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Oracle

Hung out with guys at a park that own several homes each and have done very well for themselves.

They referenced foreign students. Said if 30,000 a year set roots here that means 300,000 over 10 years. And that doesn’t include their future spouses and parents grandparents that will immigrate here. Including them means another million people.

Detached going to hold its own. Has not budged and gone up higher under the NDP.

Only the white locals will end up living in condos. Immigrants don’t immigrate here to live in condos.

The Reality Realtor
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Richmond detached sales fell 47% in May, ticking in at a 27 year low for the month. Foreign investment has come to a standstill. Foreigners retreating in masses. Uh oh….

https://twitter.com/SteveSaretsky/status/1002694926843277312

Oracle
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Oracle

Who cares about sales. Prices matter.

Surrey new build detached going for $1.8 million now. Up like $900,000 in last 3 years.

Go see the area around 146 and 90 ave. 3 storey above ground homes.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Who cares about Surrey?

Lost...but not leased
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Lost...but not leased

SIDA……you F*cking Racist !!!!!

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

The racial undertones were unmistakable.

Or is it racial overtones?

I don’t know, I’ll have to ask Bob Rennie since he’s a race baiting piece of shit like AIDS and uses both terms.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Right. Surrey matters because bears here dream of owning a place there.

Name
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Name

We are at the standoff phase. Next will be the panic phase as sellers realize the foreign buyers are really gone. Then capitulation as prices are adjusted downwards for local incomes.

Just me
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Just me

Hopefully the waves of Chinese money have abated for good, or at least a few years.
We have e money laundering capital of North America.

Just me
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Just me

New Coast Realty agent suspended after investigation into series of sales
In addition to 45-day suspension, Sandra Li to pay $20,000 to cover fines and cost of investigation

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/new-coast-realty-sandra-li-shadow-flippingv-1.4688661

…”In another, Li acted as the buyer’s agent for Z.W. for the purchase of a $1.6 million home in Richmond.

But she failed to draft an addendum revealing that her boss had assigned the contract to purchase the house over to her..”

Just me
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Just me

“According to the real estate council, Li was disciplined under the old regime because the misconduct occurred prior to the new rules. The old maximum fine was $10,000; it has since been raised to $50,000.

Li did not respond to a call for comment.”

Just me
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Just me

“In one of them, Li failed to prepare documents disclosing to the seller of a $3.8 million house in Richmond that the buyer who she represented had actually assigned the contract to purchase the home over to Z.W.”

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

seems like a cup and balls routine with New Coast agents who are supposed to be acting in their client’s best interests but instead operate using a different business model that is centered on swindling all parties involved in a real estate transaction, namely the sellers, buyers, lawyers, accountants and any other regulatory body that is supposed to be overseeing all this bull$hit…

Lost...but not leased
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Lost...but not leased

NewCoast and other Sino realtors…
When times were good….on many occassions ethics were not a priority….frontier mentality.

When the market crashes..it will get even more interesting as they move from greedy to desperate…guaranteed SHTF.

Stay Tuned !

YVR
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YVR

Anyone stupid enough to hire New Coast as a realtor deserves to get ripped off.

Just me
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Just me

I think some people like the shady aspect of the agency. They think they will get an agent who plays hard ball and finds them good cheap deals owith shady characters.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

more shenanigans involving the mysterious burning down of a multi-million dollar westside home owned by a numbered co and the failure to follow through on cleaning up their mess
https://globalnews.ca/video/4248918/kitsilano-neighbours-concerns-abut-charred-pile-of-rubble

the previous story regarding the fire itself is here
https://globalnews.ca/news/3931259/kitsilano-house-fire/

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

and the real kicker is that this property is now listed as a “desirable building lot” for $4.29M
https://www.rew.ca/properties/R2234936/2573-w-3-avenue-vancouver-bc

Just me
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Just me

What a way to bypass land permitting and regulation. Quick and easy.

And the city has no resources and inclination to ask questions. Moreover, it might be perceived as targeting a specific group (owners of numbered companies).

Eagerly awaiting NDP new rules on transparency of ownership structures.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

“it might be perceived as targeting a specific group (owners of numbered companies).”

Numbered companies are the WORST immigrant group EVER!

bestplaceonearth
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bestplaceonearth

What is the problem of numbered companies investing in real estate anyway? The different government agencies know exactly who owns what already. The NDP rules are trying to please and earn the confidence of the ignorant voters like you. Go out and make some friends with the people in the industries, they will teach you the process.

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
Further to Dave’s squeeze theory one of the Mom’s at my daughter’s softball announced that she and her husband and kids are moving to Comox this summer. She said point blank that she will never be able to afford to buy anything other a condo here. She noted she currently rents and the landlord is asking for another increase. What was interesting is that she and her husband, both teachers are at the top of their pay scale. In her words you need a family income of $200K min to be comfortable in this city. I wonder how many good people and families are in the process of doing this exact thing. It speaks volumes to what Vancouver is becoming and it all centres around our runaway real estate prices. I think so far this exodus has been under the… Read more »
patriotz
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“I think so far this exodus has been under the radar. ”

I wouldn’t say that, plenty of articles like this.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/vancouver/vancouvers-middle-aged-exodus-raises-concerns-about-citys-economic-future/article36585479/

specuskeptic
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Oracle
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Oracle

The surrounding places are going up in Because if the coming exodus.

Cut immigration and out end to this shitshow. When will the people wake up??

YVR
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YVR

“What was interesting is that she and her husband, both teachers are at the top of their pay scale.”

For them they both can get equivalent jobs in Comox. It is an easy decision. Most people cannot transfer to a small town as a couple and both expect the same job and wage. They could also move to the Fraser Valley, get teaching jobs there and at least be a short drive from Vancouver.

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

I would live in Comox before Abbotsford anyday. Plus houses are prob still 50% cheaper in Comox.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

True, but you’re stranded on a fucking island.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Living half a block west of Boundary is far superior.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

Nobody understands your bizarre, cryptic messages. Just fuck off.

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

+1

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

You’re right. I should rather have commented on how you were here yet again on a Saturday night. It must be that sense of humour which makes you so popular.

Loser.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

“a Saturday night”

Yeah, because 8 pm is considered nighttime, and all the cool people are out at the clubs.

Fuck off, scumbag.

southseacompany
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southseacompany

“Conversations That Matter: Braking Vancouver’s housing market”, Vancouver Sun video

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/conversations-that-matter-braking-vancouvers-housing-market

“We invited Tom Davidoff, an associate professor at the Sauder School of Business, the man many see as the driving force behind the tax initiatives that have been introduced for a Conversation That Matters on his reasons for wanting to change the real estate market in Vancouver.”

southseacompany
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southseacompany

“In Vancouver, a Housing Frenzy That Even Owners Want to End”, New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/02/business/economy/vancouver-housing.html

“Here is a new one: Vancouver is so expensive that politicians want to tax its real estate market into submission, and many homeowners — who will lose money if home prices fall — think it’s the best idea they’ve heard in years.”

““I would like to see a correction to sober up this whole place,” said Rob Welsh, a retired airplane mechanic who lives in a Vancouver suburb. Mr. Welsh bought his house in 2000 and has become a paper millionaire based on its appreciation. It makes him more anxious than happy. “If I got to lose 200 or 300 grand to keep the kids and the future of this place, so be it,” he said.”

YVR
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YVR

“I would like to see a correction…”
“bought his house in 2000 and has become a paper millionaire…”
“If I got to lose 200 or 300 grand to keep the kids and the future of this place, so be it”

He wants a correction but only 200 to 300 grand on his millionaire home? LOL

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

Better than most.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

What sort of correction are you hoping to see on your Whistler house?

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

Like I have said many times before we bought it as a long term lifestyle choice and we intend to retire there so any correction unless it lasts 40 years will be no problem and actually welcome.

I will say that I would trade a 70% correction there for a 50% correction here.

Smells like BS
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Smells like BS

You say that now but if you took a 70% hit you’d shit yourself.

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

While it would be certainly uncomfortable as long as my income could make the payments it really doesn’t mean anything. As I am not over levered this will not become a problem.

In the same way that it has appreciated, the appreciation is worth nothing unless I refi and use it as an ATM. All it has done is increase my taxes and drive out families in the neighbourhood.

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

That’s logic that will make certain immigrant group’s heads spin…they have no way to think in those terms

Dave
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patriotz
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“Legal?”

Sure, it’s just the seller taking a 2nd so the bank is financing a smaller % of the value of the property. That’s what they care about, not how much is owed by junior creditors. But it’s a sign of desperation by the seller who is trading a smaller amount in the bag for a larger amount he may not get.

YVR
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YVR

They seller is only willing to finance $100K on a $1.2M asking price. Won’t work unless the place is appraised at $1.2M by the bank. Even then you need $240K down payment not just a $100K. If the place was really worth $1.2M it would sell without the seller financing. It is also a for sale by owner which almost always means it is priced at way over fair market value.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

For low-income residents in Vancouver, a different kind of real estate crisis

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-for-low-income-residents-in-vancouver-a-different-kind-of-real-estate/

Shelly Ingram says she never gets used to the sound of mice falling through the gaping hole in her bathroom ceiling and landing with a thump in her empty bathtub.

When one drops, her partner, John, will rush across their tiny bachelor suite to try to catch the creature, but most times the rodent has already bounded up over the side of the aging clawfoot tub and scurried into a hole in the wall at the base of the sink.

Thankfully, they’ve never been hit by a mouse while taking a bath, perhaps because they rarely wait the three hours it takes to draw enough tepid water to fill the tub from the aging hot water pipe.

Just me
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Just me

All while “single mothers” from mainland China drive around in their white BMWs and Mercs to visit open houses on the west side and decide which investment property to buy with the new instalment of cash coming from cosmonaut hubby.

These stories make me deeply sad.

YVR
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YVR

I am not sure how the “single mothers” from mainland China looking for investment property make this any worse. Other than the taxes the city collects from these single mothers which goes into supporting and attracting drug addicts.

Just me
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Just me

How about making the price of land such that people on low incomes live in sl7ms?
Is that reason enough? Or is it just the natural conclusion of the great economic development of Vancouver?

I am pro-market, as long as the market works. Moving dirty money from abroad is not market economics, it is cheating.

bestplaceonearth
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bestplaceonearth

Low incomes cannot afford land in Point Grey at the first place. These people pay taxes in to services that they don’t consume as much as locals. So what is the problem?

Just me
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Just me

Not land. But they might leave in apartments if they were built. And if the cost was not 1,500 per sqft.
The price of lands cascades down to all other valuations. Including those outside of Point Grey.

Bestplaceonearth
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Bestplaceonearth

Again, it is a demand and supply, and the NDP followers said it otherwise.

Just me
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Just me

Desmond from China, you mean?

Just me
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Just me

And, just to follow up, the problem is simple: they pay little or no income taxes.

Taxes on consumption, we all pay. And they should, like everyone else. this does not exempt them from paying income taxes for the services they consume.

YVR
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YVR

They don’t pay income taxes and freely launder their money because that is what the NDP wants. Keep the party going. The NDP also want drug addicts and the poor to stay that way. Keeps them voting NDP. How many wealthy people vote NDP? None. Drug addicts and poor are pretty much 100% NDP voters. You do the math.

Just me
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Just me

You are such a clown. You just described the behaviour of Christy Clark, since 2912.

Bestplaceonearth
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Bestplaceonearth

Pro market as long as the NDP put in Robinhood tax, right?

Just me
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Just me

No. Pro market like:
1. You go to work here.
2. You ear your money here.
3. You pay your taxes here.
4. You buy your home here.

Some people from formally communist countries appear to skip some steps.

YVR
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YVR
The Sahota family that run many of these DT Eastside rooming houses are scum. Having said that the people that live in these units would be homeless or require government housing otherwise (paid by you at a huge cost). There is no normal rental housing that can accommodate these drug addicts that live here. The building owners are not the ones who jammed the toilets with paper and feces or discarded needles. The mice are least of the problem. A big part of the reason these places are in the state they are is due to the tenants. The City of Vancouver to a large degree has enabled the drug problem in the Dt Eastside. If you were a drug addict in Canada on welfare would you consider living anywhere else? Government run housing for these people would attract more… Read more »
bestplaceonearth
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bestplaceonearth

Until their drug habit is addressed, these people would have the same problem if they had lived in Trump tower. Sadly, no one dared to talk about it, except blaming to the housing market.

Just me
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Just me

Not blaming the market. Blaming ruthless Chinese millionaires, who are slowly displacing everyone else from Vancouver.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Except they’re not displacing anybody, and the greedy greedy locals make up 90% of sales. But keep repeating the lie.

Just me
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Just me

Sure. Earth is flat. Of course.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

All the data is on my side. All you have is toxic opinions.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

“Except they’re not displacing anybody”

And right there is “The Lie of the Century”.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

Home prices predicted to keep climbing – at slower rate, says a bunch of realtors.

http://www.squamishchief.com/real-estate/home-prices-predicted-to-keep-climbing-at-slower-rate-1.23322331

YVR
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YVR

The trend is your friend as they say. Even after the BoC raised twice and B20 was implemented and China cracked down on money exiting the mainland under the NDP the trend is up big time. Minor tax tweaks are not going to change anything.

Just me
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Just me

Suggestions?

bestplaceonearth
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bestplaceonearth

These policies backfire to themselves. Now that B20 lowers the loan qualification, these group of buyers are competing for the entry level products. Hence it creates too much heat at the low end, and it penalizes the very buyers that the policies suppose to serve.

Oracle
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Oracle

a guy known to me built a building land included for about $5 million. Got it appraised for $10 million. Pulled out $6 million via refinancing for a new project.

Made a million and still owns building.

Unbelievable.

Smells like bs
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Smells like bs

Yes that is truly unbelievable as in a lie.

Oracle
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Oracle

It’s true. Then again doesn’t matter what you believe.

They had an appraiser on the ‘payroll’

YVR
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YVR

Implementing B20 on BC credit unions, putting the foreign buyers tax on presales and not watering down the spec tax by 80% or more would be a start.

Oracle
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Oracle

No No No. we believe anything the NDP says.

How dare you suggest the NDP could be lying to us?? Ou must be a Liberal Troll then. That’s it!

Sarcasm.

Bestplaceonearth
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Bestplaceonearth

Psssttt, don’t spill bears’ secret.

Just me
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Just me

You believe the above measures are more effective to lower house prices than what is in the works? really?
I must be missing your point, it makes little sense. in terms of importance, all three things seem tweaks compared to what is being done (and opposed by many people in Point Grey!)

YVR
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YVR

You really are dumb then is all I can say.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

He truly is.

You’re a Realtor
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You’re a Realtor

You Reply with an insult and you think he’s the dumb one?

Oracle
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Oracle

Langley strata up 40% since election. That’s all you need to know folks.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Zolo says you’re a liar.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

What it’s like to build homes in Vancouver

http://www.vancourier.com/real-estate/what-it-s-like-to-build-homes-in-vancouver-1.23322489

Earlier this week, the City of Vancouver announced a new pilot project to fast track home building permits. Called the Applicant Supported and Assisted Process, the program is for experienced homebuilder teams. It aims to reduce permit processing times from between 28 to 38 weeks to between six to eight weeks. The first phase will include 20 to 30 projects to test new ideas, which, if they prove successful, could then be scaled into the regular permitting process.

YVR
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YVR

The problem with the CoV permitting process is everything is zoned for lower density that it will after will in the end. Developers have to go through a dance of offering gifts to the city to get rezoning and increased density. It would be a whole lot quicker if the city just came out with fast rack zoning. They should have a plan for he city already. You can have X density if you give us X. Start working on it ahead of the developer proposing it rather than going back and forth in a long drawn out negotiation.

Oracle
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Oracle

All BS. To get the minions thinking something is happening.

I only look at prices. Not sales or inventory or fake news (B20, 30 point plan, etc).

They could have had prices down by 25% after 1 year. Instead up 20% in Valley. A 45% swing.

Good luck getting them down by 45%. Should have bought after they knew of the NDP win.

Oracle the clown
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Oracle the clown

Let’s ignore the data and make shit up.