Luxury condo tower pulled on weak demand

It appears there might be a limit to ‘build it and they will come’. Southseacompany points out a recent development proposal that was pulled amid signs of weak demand.

“A proposal for a downtown Vancouver luxury condo tower that was scheduled to go to a public hearing next week has been abruptly cancelled by the owner.”

“A representative of the developer, Brilliant Circle Group, sent a letter to the planning department last week withdrawing the project. The letter, obtained by The Globe and Mail, explained that the decision “is due to the impact of the rapidly changing real estate market, which affects both the unit mix and the CAC evaluation.””

““Everything’s corrected and the luxury market is gone,” said Ian Watt, a realtor who specializes in higher-end housing. “Anything under $2-million will sell, but in the last two months, there’s been only one sale over $3.5-million.””

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Burt
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This bifurcation in the market is very interesting to see. Developers were purchasing land and tooling up for luxury builds, but the high end money is slowed to a trickle. The lower end local buyer is now squeezed by mortgage rules, so price points here need to adjust as well. This creates pressure on the market from the top, and the bottom. It will be interesting to see going forward how prices move with thousands of luxury units set to complete over the next year or so. I suspect realtors will start to advise clients to get more aggressive if they want to move units, which ironically might lead to sharper price decreases in the high end. Local economy is still very strong, so I suspect low end continues to move at much better clip, with firmer pricing. The two… Read more »
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I agree, the next phase of this market is likely frightened price slashing. It will start in detached, and start to infect the lower rungs of the property ladder. New condo owners will see the builder liquidating units at 20-30% off and they may start panic selling as well.

Oracle
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NDP needs to give a push just about now.

Write your MLA and demand you want FBT applied to presales, foreign students charged FBT, and Bare Trust loophole closed (not just data collection that will be falsified).

Dave
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I think that’s wishful thinking. Real estate markets move slowly. Condos are still in a sellers market. Inventory is still low so I have no expectation of forced selling. It’s going to take a long time for that inventory to climb up to cause panic selling.

I don’t think things get really ugly unless we get a recession. Otherwise, I don’t expect much of a price drop.

No Chump
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No Chump

Wishful thinking on your part, Dave. A massive housing bust is already well-underway.

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People were chiming about the TI number of “13,000” is too low…..as stated before it’s irrelevant.

In the shadows..people are in panic and scrambling to extricate themselves, this won’t necessarily registers on TI…

I predict by Labour Day numerous projects CANCELLED, strata collapses… and other SHTF scenarios.

It gets interesting what the big boys will do(Concord, Amacon,Wall etc.)..break ranks and cut each others throats with discounts?

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NC-u gotta wait and see. the market is never that easy. it will be hard for the bulls and bears to interpret.

most people who bought will continue to live in their homes

WoooHooDODooooo
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Ya, people who bought to live will continue to live. What about those who bought to speculate and what about those who can’t afford to live because of the higher borrowing costs. Remember, there were many who wanted to make quick money with prices going over 50% every year and then there are those who borrowed on variable interest rates because they couldn’t afford higher fixed rates.

YVR
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Yup the Metro Van benchmark is up 10% YOY even with the weakness at the high end. If the NDP was truly trying to make housing prices cheaper that have failed miserably.

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Bag it and tag it

I could easily see panic selling from retired/retiring boomers with all their wealth locked up in their home.

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Local bifurcations:

(See chart)
“Period-halving bifurcations (Left side)) leading to order, followed by period doubling bifurcations (Right side) leading to chaos.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcation_theory

Specuskeptic
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Condo pace is slowing to that of the higher end and, the further out from the core you are, the more likely that the slow pace of sales relative to those of previous hotter years, has caught up (in the slow sense) to the SFHs in the higher price ranges. Notable exceptions include CoV and Richmond. Coquitlam and Langley condo sales are now on a trajectory creeping lower than SFH (MoM – looking for YoY ATM).

According to Zolo: (June 29-July 27, 2018)
City of Vancouver:
Detached sales………………………………………-53%
Townhouse sales……………………………………-40%
Condo sales…………………………………………..-50%
City of Coquitlam:
Detached sales……………………………………..-55%
Townhouse sales…………………………………..-56%
Condo sales………………………………………….-60%
City of Richmond:
Detached sales……………………………………..-41%
Townhouse sales……………………………………-65%
Condo sales………………………………………….-43%
Langley:
Detached sales………………………………………-66%
Townhouse sales……………………………………-54%
Condo sales………………………………………….-73%

Oracle
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NDP needs to make this a deep correction and quickly.

Anything short of 40% is a failure.

Dave
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That’s a pretty big MOM drop. Thanks for compiling.

Specuskeptic
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I just cut/paste from another poster on another site – don’t want to claim the work as my own.

No Chump
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No Chump

Which site?

Specuskeptic
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I follow some RE facebook groups – can’t remember which one posted this set. There’s lots of duplicate and cross posting from folks who have access to the data – assuming they’re realtors or are connected in some way.

YVR
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In other words it is Summer.

WoooHooDODooooo
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And this is in summer time. Imagine what will happen in the Fall and Winter.

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IMHO..majority of people that bought RE in the last 2-3 years are screwed….the prices will collapse and it will take years for the market to reach previous heights…moreso in this latest boom which was unprecedented.

This will get ugly….
Far too many variables involved…many perhaps of the “black swan”variety ?

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owning a home is screwed-gotta live somewhere. what if u are wrong?

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Oh, no…..they paid too much, now they’re hooped….

https://www.thestar.com/business/real_estate/2018/07/29/first-time-homebuyers-in-barrie-squeezed-by-falling-property-values.html

“First-time homebuyers in Barrie, ON squeezed by falling property values”

“….Mirza said they learned how dramatically the housing landscape had shifted when they found 11 similar properties in their Bedford Estates development listed well below the $639,900 they had agreed to pay. In some cases, identical houses were listed for $130,000 less. When Singh contacted buyers who purchased just ahead of them last year, she found many had paid significantly less only a short time before she and Mirza bought. “

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Weird what happens when about 99% of the market participants are speculators. Unless you’re a weirdo that’s buying and don’t care if your property loses half it’s value, you’re a speculator, and deserve what you have coming to you.

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That story, and the picture of the sad homeowner, warmed the cockles of my heart! The extra $100k they have to come up with was going towards their wedding. Boohoo, now they can’t afford a 6-figure wedding. Am I supposed to have sympathy? Always a bad idea to buy a home with someone you are not married to yet so probably best to put off the wedding.

The homeowner comes across very entitled to renegotiating the deal with developer, almost implying wrongdoing on the developer’s part when he says, “Now they don’t want to help.” Why should the developer help you? They’re not your friend. It’s business. Oh yeah, and one of them is a real estate agent. LMAO!

kabloona
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Garth piles on……

😀

https://www.greaterfool.ca/2018/07/30/going-going/

“…And so we have the story of star-cross’d lovers from the GTA’s exotic exburbs who bought a house from plans in a faraway land (Barrie), then got pooched. File it with the sobs-and-shudders tale of young buyers of Mattamy Homes in the east end of the Big Smoke who came to the same shocking revelation: prices go down! Who knew?

A mess of moisters inflicted with FOMO who rushed into a steamy market in 2017 to buy homes before they were priced out forever are now running to the media because life is, like, so unfair. The latest, Abid and Sapna, paid $639,000 for an unbuilt glue-and-sawdust McMansion north of the big city that is now worth $539,000. Next month it might be less. Meanwhile interest rates have increased, ruining their finances….”

Shut It Down Already (original)
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The fact they were “forced” to an alt lender surely implies that they didn’t make their deal subject to financing?

patriotz
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“they didn’t make their deal subject to financing?”

Pre-sales are never subject to financing or any other condition. Developers need unconditional pre-sales at a fixed price to obtain construction financing.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Good to know. In that case buying a presale in an environment of increasing rates (such as we’re currently in but the reported buyers were likely close to entering) would be sheer stupidity.

YVR
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Actually presales probably become more attractive because a buyer does not need to be approved for financing. They can worry about it in 2 to 3 years after prices have doubled.

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Another successful spin, Bagdad Bob.

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Higher interest rates to hit younger, middle-income households: federal analysis

https://www.news1130.com/2018/07/30/higher-interest-rates-to-hit-younger-middle-income-households-federal-analysis/

Doomcouver
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It’s an experiment to see what happens when you completely wipe out the working class. Asset deflation and economic misery is my bet.

Dyugle
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Dyugle
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Graph from article supporting the claim. Reposted
https://reut.rs/2LsUx5q
Nasty graph will affect Canadian dollar and put the BOC in the hot seat.

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Are those along Cambie corridor classified as luxury condo? Went to the Chelsea presentation center and learned that most of the expensive units are sold already.

Shut It Down Already
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Shut It Down Already

老外(laowai) foreigner goes savage on local Chinese couple who hits him with their car and refuses to apologize !! Three saying you often hear in china as a foreigner when encountering trouble with the locals ! 1 this is china 2:leave china and go back to your country 3: remember you are in china!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyvcggjuYIA

Shut It Down Already
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Shut It Down Already

Mainlanders can’t and or won’t read clearly marked signs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTMlw0juXGc

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Glad to see you back SIDA……….unlike the imposter SIDA(original)

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Vancouver Condo Bubble Takes New Hit: Murky Condo Flippers Targeted in Pre-Sale Tax Hunt
In recent years, pre-sale buyers have made out like bandits, securing pre-sale contracts with no proof of funds, financing, and in many cases no intention of closing upon completion — ultimately flipping the contract to another buyer for windfall profits, with most of the gains earned on the leverage of price inflation.
Starting September 17th, the BC Government will move forward with a new property transfer tax that will require people to report additional information, including their name, citizenship, and social insurance number, if they purchase through a corporation or trust. They will also mandate property developers to collect a database of pre-sale buyers and remit those to the BC Government.
https://wolfstreet.com/2018/07/30/vancouver-condo-bubble-takes-new-hit-murky-condo-flippers-targeted-in-pre-sale-tax-hunt/

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Diadora – good news! Thanks for posting that.

Oracle
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People:

Let’s do all we can and vote YES for PR!!! Please volunteer and get the word out.

That will all but eliminate the criminal element in the BC Liberal Caucus.

As for the corrupt elements in the NDP, we will deal with them after the YES vote.

Be forewarned, the NDP and Libs are going to do everything in their power to make this fail.

Even you have to agree with this YVR!?

Dave
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The NDP have done everything to make it pass. 50% threshold with no regional requirements is as rigged as it gets.

Oracle
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I’m sorry Dave. We must have it pass.

We can deal with the NDP later as I’m no fan of them backtracking on their promises.

With PR, a new party can take root.

Dave
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Ya, a lot of new parties will take root.

The anarchist in me says vote yes on PR. It’s not a hard sell for me. I think some of these extremists would be hilarious. If you think politics is divisive now, wait until the fringe left and right get elected. Some people will lose their minds.

The responsible part of me says vote for what’s best, which is our current system of moderation.

Dyugle
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Actually there is a 5% requirement to get any seats at all. This eliminates a lot of small parties out of the gate. There will only be 4 parties with PR as that is all that have more than 5% in the current polls. Greens, Libs, Cons, and NDP. Power sharing or coalition will be necessary. Lib and Con vs Green and NDP seems to be the current shake out but politics makes strange bed fellows so who knows.

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

Nice flip flop on PR, Oracle

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN!
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN!

I noticed that as well.

Just like the flip flop on the NDP.

I truly wonder what his MO is.

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Luxury ?

WTF is luxury ?
Anything above $3 million?
Anything more than $2000/sq ft?

How does one build- in luxury ….to bring the price of strata to $4000+ per sq ft.?
Overhyped/ overpriced features, fashions and amenities.

Luxury ,in reality is what the middle class, using classic metrics , can’t afford…which is the majority of what’s in/ on the local RE market.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Headline-grabbing amenities are exactly that, but by no stretch are they the majority of the market.

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People should do the SCTV routine….toss the boob tube over the railing.
30+ years ago a relative commented on how people expect new homes to be “finished”.

My folks,…… WW2 immigrants….owned a house in Marpole in late 1950’s….sold it with $ 1000 profit…bought new in North Richmond(where Costco is now)..then bought in Central Richmond (1963) all within 10 years…..again a new house with my Grandfather as contractor.

The 2 storey approx 2400 sq. ft. Central Richmond home had zero carpeting..no lino…basement unfinished….they simply finished as they were able to afford.

Todays turds want to watch HGTV ……..and deem that as reference point.

WTF ?
Gold plated Bidet fixtures ?

Do people want a home?…or an HGTV prop?

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New
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TI:12937

http://www.clivestevepaul.com

Specuskeptic
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Nice – two 13K parties in two weeks LOL 🙂

Thanks for staying on top of this, PaulB. (y)

Best place on meth
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Month end expiries tomorrow, so not this week.

Oracle
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But but but, Specku says so. Aren’t we suppose to go up in a straight line till end of the year??

Screwed
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Whats going on????

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

Summer listings cancellations prior to summer vacation…then they can re-list in September as a ‘new listing’.

Oracle
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Oracle

“How dare Oracle say we are at peak for the year!!”

Inventory is suppose to spike till end of year ‘because we feel it here!”

Lol

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Oracle you have no credibility here.
Wow just wow !!!
Lol

YVR
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BC Liberals and Wilkinson take lead in polls. Horgan finishes last.

Among decided and leaning voters, the Liberals led by Andrew Wilkinson lead with 33.9%, but the governing NDP led by John Horgan follow closely with 33.2% of support. “Besides how close the two parties are, what is interesting about these numbers is that the BC Liberals take the lead over the NDP thanks to those who are currently undecided but are leaning towards voting Liberal if an election were held today,” …Wilkinson enjoys the best rating with a -4.2% net favourability rating, followed by Weaver with -6.7%, and then Horgan with -9.5%.

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bc-liberals-bc-ndp-tied-popularity-poll

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

Let’s see what the 33% gets you with PR.

Some Guy
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Yes, the common objection to PR (see Dave above) is that extremists might win a few seats. My bigger concern under the current system is you get a result like Ontario, where you can get a bunch of extremists with 100% power with 35-40% of the vote…

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So what’s so wrong with so-called “extremists” getting some seats? That’s how change is effected; change is not effected via the status quo.

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Another statistically insignificant poll but YVR still grasping at straws hoping that the NDP will be defeated soon. Then his Liberal saviours will come riding to the rescue of the real estate market. But it won’t happen YVR, just like your hope that credit unions would save the losers from B20. Maybe you can get a job selling used cars.

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American officials have taken the “highly unusual” step of rejecting Canada’s bid to take part in senior-level NAFTA talks between the U.S. and Mexico later this week, sources familiar with the trade negotiations said Monday.

One person said attempts by Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland to get a seat at the table in Washington Thursday were either ignored, or spurned outright by the office of U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/canada-rejected-in-bid-to-be-part-of-high-level-nafta-talks-between-mexico-and-u-s-sources?video_autoplay=true

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That article is an absolutely stunning display of Trudeau Liberal incompetence. Canada is now isolated and ignored in trade talks with the US while the US renegotiates with Mexico. This is because the Liberals injected identity politics into trade negotiations and refused negotiations on NAFTA without Mexico present. Mexico’s new populist left wing President is all too happy to renegotiate with the US without Canada. Canada has undying loyalty to Mexico (why? what did Mexico ever do for us?) and Mexico couldn’t care less that Canada is not at the trade talks. The new Mexican President also shows how left and right are becoming irrelevant and the left wing President has a lot in common with Trump in terms of being a populist and not a globalist. One of the prime areas where Canadians expect their PM to perform is… Read more »
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Many commenters seem to assume that the Liberals will be slaughtered in the next election. I don’t know what they are basing that on other than wishful thinking. While Trudeau’s policies fly in the face of common sense and collective well-being of the country, they are highly popular among his SJW base and among NDP voters, who he will be trying to woo. The NDP is weak, with a weak feckless newbie leader who doesn’t even have a seat. The Conservatives are in a weak position too, however. Subsidies to dairy farmers in Quebec is one of the central issues in the dispute with the US and Scheer is beholden to the Quebec dairy industry. Scheer is also a self-described feminist who seems keen to pander to identity politics so I am not sure why those of us who are… Read more »
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Trump likes strong leaders and Justine does not measure up.
For NAFTA, Canada should have:
1. Not immediately retaliated tit for tat on the tariffs.
2. Not goaded Trump that we “won’t be pushed around” ie. keep your mouth shut…
3. Not brought gender politics into the negotiations. The US doesn’t care about the Canadian social agenda.
4. Not aligned ourselves with Mexico on any trade negotiations because Mexico’s new government would hang us out to dry anyways (which they have now done).
5. Understand that Trump and Co. are unpredictable bullies who operate on emotion, not logic, and use their emotions to get what we want. Use psychology against them, not logic or force.

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Why is my comment awaiting moderation? I didn’t even put any links in it.

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Because you used a trigger word or phrase. Like that word that starts with a “g” and ends with a “y”

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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

I honestly don’t mean to be annoying to the majority of people on here. So I am sorry. It just gets so frustrating. I will back off soon.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

Am I an extremist?

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

I feel like Trudeau is an extremist–far, far more extreme than I am.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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I used to hang out with radical anarchical feminists who preached identity politics and white male shaming daily. They were actually my room-mates, believe it or not. That was almost 20 years ago. What Trudeau says today is almost identical to what those radical lesbians were saying 20 years ago.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Now that I am no longer a lefty, I feel like I am far more in the centre, and really always have been without knowing it.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

You’re an actor and a troll.

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I am not an actor. I am 100% genuine. You are a troll and you cannot win any argument against me because I am confident that I have far superior intellect compared to you–not to mention, truth on my side. All you have are character assassinations. I have put a lot of heart and soul into my comments and these are issues that have serious personal ramifications. I have expressed the deep isolation I feel as a gay Trump supporter in Vancouver — and I was relieved yesterday when Dave was making comments as though he had direct access to my brain because it’s exactly what I’ve been thinking and never heard anyone say (no one I know noticed Trump’s olive branch to LGBT at the RNC). You really show callous cruelty with the way you can make flippant baseless… Read more »
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Sorry for all the posts. I have no idea why my comments aren’t getting through. I’ll take a hint and take a hike from this site. I have been shadowbanned on much of the internet-twitter, youtube (sometimes), CBC comments, reddit. They don’t want me to speak. They win. I am going silent now. It is awful form of oppression people like me are going through. And it is far worse than being gay in the 90s. I’m still closeted about being a Trump supporter, whereas I found it much easier to come out of the closet as gay.

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Please do. Nobody cares that you’re gay, just that you’re annoying.

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I’ve actually decided that I am not going away. Instead I am going to double down on the “alt-right” (read middle of the road mainstream Canadian) posts today. I got annoyed that my post was held in moderation. And I am super PO-ed at what is going on in the world right now. I don’t want to make a big thing about being gay as I am trying to move away from identity politics (hard to do when it has been engrained in you since childhood so it still comes up in some of my posts). I can’t even convey the level of repression I experience in this city from every realm. This is not at all a tolerant city. And I experience some of the worse repression from other members of the gay community. All across the internet, whenever… Read more »
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I was just trying to say I don’t think I am an extremist although much of society probably does see me that way. I think the establishment politicians, and especially Trudeau, are the extremists.

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You said you were leaving, then didn’t. No wonder they think you’re Oracle.

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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

I made a statement out of frustration and then didn’t follow up on it. Wow just wow!!!

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He whines about unfair treatment and comments awaiting moderation on this site just like boracle does too. So many similarities.

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According to Gerald Butts, anyone who has critical questions about Ottawa’s handling of the refugee crisis is a member of the alt-right. I bet the polls would show a strong majority of Canadians have critical questions and points to make about how the government is handling the refugees. So according to Gerald Butts, the majority of Canadians are members of the alt-right. That just goes to show right there that mainstream, middle of the road Canadians are the ones who are being portrayed as the extremists and the real extremists (unchecked opening up the country to endless streams of refugees is the definition of an extremist policy) are being portrayed as the sensible ones.

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I don’t even need to click on it. It is from the MSM so it has no credibility. If it was from an independent source, maybe. I bet the “study” was a poll conducted by a market research firm. I used to work in that industry and based on my insider’s perspective, I can tell you the market research industry has no credibility either. The client gets the poll results they paid for, one way or another. Market research is not independent peer-reviewed research and is not open to scrutiny and I have serious misgivings with its methods. The track record of recent poll predictions on election results highlights their uselessness.

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So you will believe the polls you agree with and call the ones you disagree with fake. You live in a world in which your beliefs are unfalsifiable. This is the problem: politics have become religion.

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I haven’t cited any polls. Where have I posted poll results that I said I agree with? I haven’t because I am suspect of all polls. We got started talking about due to how I chose to word my sentence: “I bet the polls would show a strong majority of Canadians have critical questions and points to make about how the government is handling the refugees.” It was a choice of words to convey a point, not an endorsement of the market research industry. What a way to twist words. The point I am making is I believe the majority of Canadians do have concerns about refugees, certainly a large percentage of the population does, even if not a majority. And all these people are members of the alt right? People see the alt right as the KKK. Gerald Butts… Read more »
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The better criticism of me, instead of pointing out that I selectively use polls, would be to point out I selectively post MSM articles. I dismiss MSM articles that I disagree with and post the ones I do agree with (or think highlight something important). I would defend that by saying I have a healthy skepticism for all MSM, even the articles I am referencing here. And the ones I am referencing here, I am usually pointing attention to verifiable facts. Like 7 days went by and Trudeau didn’t go to danforth tragedy. That was a fact and it’s hard to dispute. So I use the MSM for easy, hard-to -dispute facts. I don’t use the MSM for analysis, opinion, or presentation of research findings because the offerings in the MSM in that regard are below my intellect, for the… Read more »
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Held in moderation again. So frustrating that people can launch character assassinations against me and I cannot defend myself.

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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

Okay, let’s try this again. It’s not true that I live in a world where my beliefs are unfalsifiable

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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

Okay, so at least that got through. The next thing I was trying to explain why it’t not true that I live in a world where my beliefs are unfalsifiable (just have to do this bit by bit–and I insist on defending my character)

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When confronted with new evidence, I radically changed my beliefs.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

I changed from being on the far left to supporting DJT.

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

Is the word Trump a trigger word for moderation?

MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN!
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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN!

No but 12 posts in 8 minutes is.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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You’re simply incapable of changing your beliefs in light of evidence. What poll would you have accepted, I wonder? One which agreed with you? Pathetic.

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There is currently a post on Vancouver Reddit titled “How to comment on positive articles in Vancouver.” It is worth checking out because the responses are a hilarious snapshot of the insanity of always-offended Vancouverites. The post puts forward an imaginary free taco day at a taco stand. The commenters are the Debbie Downers who point out all the horrible things about free tacos. One commenter pointed out that eating tacos is bad because it is an example of cultural appropriation. That is actually not a joke, however. A burrito restaurant in Portland was forced to close last year following SJW outrage of cultural appropriation of Mexican cuisine. According to one SJW, “Because of Portland’s underlying racism, the people who rightly own these traditions and cultures that exist are already treated poorly,” The Portland Mercury said, calling the closure of… Read more »
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There is an article in the National Post entitled “Fists fly, and so does a megaphone, as refugee crisis inflames local politics in Toronto area”. Here is an excerpt:

“It was a small rally of a few dozen mainly Chinese-Canadian protesters in Markham…as the demonstration was met by a smaller group of pro-refugee protesters, it became a flashpoint in the North American refugee crisis, with Markham’s mayor, as the unlikely main target. At issue was a rumour that Markham was about to agree to house as many as 5000 asylum seekers in unused buildings, after Toronto asked for help accommodating an overflow.”

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So now that Markham has turned them away, where are these 5000 refugees going to go now? And don’t forget Toronto has to find a solution by the end of summer because the refugees are currently being housed in university dorms. But the students will need those come fall when it’s back to school. So where are the refugees going to go?????????

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Notice the important role that Chinese Canadians played in the anti-refugee protests, as Chinese Canadians made up the majority of the protesters. Chinese people have this kind of freedom precisely because they are not white. White people would be held up as racists if they attended a protest like that. Similar thing happened here as it was Chinese voices who were some of the earliest to call for a Foreign Buyers Tax (remember Meena Wong, and there were others). Chinese residents in the Vancouver area played a key role in legitimizing the criticism of foreign ownership. Chinese Canadians, please understand you have a special role at this particular juncture in Canadian history. You can push back against the globalist narrative and you can push back against insane refugee accommodation and you can do it with impunity because you are not… Read more »
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We’ve seen this before with the Indo-Canadian community. When gang violence was getting bad in the 90’s, the community more or less admitted there was a problem and they did something about it. I guess that speaks positively of our ‘hyphenated-Canadian’ culture in that different communities care about how they are perceived by the wider community. I think the debate around immigration is dominated by the extremes. On one hand, some people say no limits and on the other, no immigrants or refugees. I think both are wrong and not realistic. What’s lost is a debate around what is the reasonable number of people we should let in. If you try to have that debate, you get attacked by both sides. The lack of this debate has driven a lot of people to the extreme right in my view. Europe… Read more »
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I think this is an excellent comment! I agree. Of course all of this is a result of the shut down of debate and not letting people speak. We could solve a lot of problems if only we could have an intelligent debate and let people speak honestly about their experiences and opinions, regardless of skin colour or sex. But that will never happen as long as political correctness reigns. So that is why we must break political correctness. No problems in any areas can ever be solved in our society until we break political correctness and allow free speech.

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What did the Indo-Canadian community do about their gang violence specifically? Nothing I can recall and Ujjal Dosanjh spoke out about their violence and got beat up over it.

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You just inspired my brain with the word “BC Trump Party”

I want to join that party. One of its slogans can be “Make BC Canadian Again” (when I say Canadian, I am including polite nice Canada with a mixture of people of races but English-French culture. I am against people being rude so Canadian Trumpism is more polite than American Trumpism, although it is still politically incorrect).

I think another slogan should be “Break Political Correctness”. I watched the excellent interview with Roseanne Barr (I am a huge fan!) on Fox News and when asked about political correctness, Roseanne said, “Political correctness is disgusting!” Totally agree Roseanne, and I am totally disgusted with the left.

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The SJWs forget that the Roseanne show featured the first lesbian kiss on TV. And that was way before Ellen. Roseanne was ahead of her time. Of course, that was before most of these SJWs were born.

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Get a job already.

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Mind your own business. My work status is none of your business. Although, I will say the policies of the provincial and federal governments over the past number of decades, especially regarding housing and immigration (but also all other areas as well) have caused irreparable damage to my career. Also, why is nobody talking about missed opportunity costs? The generations who have been shut out of the real estate market are not only struggling with housing, we are also struggling with missed opportunity costs. This bubble has a massive missed opportunity cost because all the time and money people spent on housing could have been directed at more productive efforts and we would have a better economy today for working people with better paying jobs. The decline in the quality of jobs has accompanied the rise in real estate prices… Read more »
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Get a life and stop impersonating me you pathetic loser.

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SIDA calls other people “pathetic losers”? really ???

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Also, shouldn’t you be the one getting a job? You have been posting on this site multiple times a day for years now. I just started posting a few weeks ago after reading a long time. I get the impression that VCI is your life considering how many years you have dedicated to it. How pathetic. Your entire raison-d’etre for being on this blog is to get it shut down. If you disagree with this blog, why do you contribute to it on a daily basis for years on end??? If you have a different perspective then why don’t you start your own blog and compete? Why do you come here and demand that it be shut down. I have never seen someone put as much energy towards destruction as you do. You want to destroy the blog. Instead of… Read more »
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AIDS is a worthless SJW hypocrite who claims the blog is full of racists, but instead of shunning it he hangs around talking to said racists.

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Have you got the wrong SIDA.
….its SIDA(original) that needs to be chastised…

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Of course! The best way to oppose a toxic ideology is to ignore it and hope it goes away! Why didn’t I think of that?!

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Some favorite redundancies… by George Carlin:

added bonus
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Philippine president oversees crushing of $6.8M worth of Lambos, Mustangs and more in crackdown

https://globalnews.ca/news/4362212/rodrigo-duterte-luxury-cars-destroyed/?utm_source=Article&utm_medium=MostPopular&utm_campaign=2014

This should be the fate of all locust scum ill-gotten gains in Vancouver too.
We could put all of their luxury cars in BC Place and sell tickets to the crushing.

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Awesome to see this.. Duterte is the Trump of the Philippines. Another example of the populist uprising occurring all around the world!

I would pay top dollar for those tickets to watch cars owned by Chinese money launderers to be squashed. I would pay even more if I get to see the looks on their faces on the jumbo screen!

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I’d pay even more if the drivers were still in the vehicles during the show.

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Put in suggestion box…..

PS: Think of what BC be like with Duterte in charge..

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they steal pumpkins too… we all know who “they” are …

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As I get older, I enjoy growing food more and more. While on paper, she lost almost nothing, it’s the amount of effort and time put into it.

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“Lai said the city has put signs up everywhere near the plots, telling people who is growing the food, what it’s for and pointing out that it’s theft.

However, the signs are only in English, as per the city’s policy, which presents a “challenge,” added Lai.”

Well there’s the problem, the signs are being ignored because they’re in English.

The theives need to see the signs in mandarin so they can first read them and THEN ignore them.

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Yes…proper sequential protocol must be followed.

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PBOC Demands ID Check for Over USD1,000 Overseas Transfers to Stop Money Laundering
China’s central bank is tightening up capital controls to verify transfers that exceed USD1,000 to stop money laundering and has already fined firms failing to comply with the new rules.
https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/pboc-demands-id-check-over-usd1000-overseas-transfers-stop-money-laundering
This can not be good for the Vancouver RE industry!

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It can’t be good for those locusts here in Canada who depend on these money transfers to maintain their opulent lifestyles.

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Btw, my skepticism of the MSM is well placed. MSM has no moral authority and no one agrees on facts and no one agrees what constitutes “fake news” but we all agree fake news is all around us. I am shocked it took so long for this to happen. It should have happened 15 years ago. The MSM lied about WMD in Iraq, which resulted in a war fought based on false pretenses and the loss of life of thousands of people in vain. The world is no safer today than before that war, and it is in fact, a whole lot less safe as a result. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Why I ever went back to the MSM after the Iraq WMD scam, I don’t know. But with the rise of… Read more »
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According to “A Minute with Bill Good” today he is defending the MSM saying how great they are. Wait a minute… isn’t Bill Good a part of the MSM ???

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I used to respect the late Rafe Mair…..who praised Churchill ad nauseum..till I found out what a POS Churchill was…Churchill was in his own class of lying cheating murdering scum.

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Ya and he saved the free world from the Nazi’s.

Get a life loser.

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Churchill was a lying sack of shit, a drunk , a coward and a child molester….

He is in the darkest hottest parts of hell along with FDR and Stalin…..these scum are directly responsible for unnecessary deaths of millions.

Do some homework other than hollywood movies and comic books……

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I am extremely well read on WW2.

You are the type who believes the moon landings were faked I’d imagine.

History strongly disagrees with your assessment.

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Honestly, I’d have to give the Russians most of the credit in wearing down the Germans.

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geez BPOM..I thought you were more well versed than that…

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Gee you strongly disagreed so much you changed your avatar .

You know f- all re history

CHURCHILL WAS A COWARDLY PISS DRUNK….HE HID IN SAFE BUNKERS, HE HAD GHOST WRITERS AND ANOTHER PERSON THAT TOOK HIS PLACE ON RADIO BROADCASTS. HE SET UP HIS OWN AND U.S. CITIZENS TO BE SUNK ON THE LUSITANIA…….HE REFERRED TO IT AS LIVE BAIT. HIS MOTHER WAS A SLUT WHO WHORED HERSELF TO ANYTHING WITH A PULSE AND HIS DAD DIED OF SYPHILLIS. HE WAS BANKRUPT AND THE ELITE BAILED HIM OUT BUT TO SERVE THEM.
HE IS IN HELL WITH FDR AND STALIN.

Moon landings..dont go there….youve already embarassed yourself enough

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Nobody in the media is going to admit culpability for fake and distorted news. In their minds, Trump is misleading people that fake news is actually a thing, rather than address the actual issue.

The traditional media ignored the housing crisis until the public rose up in anger over it. Bill Good was the last guy to question all the BS going on in this City. A true journalist would have asked those questions 5 years ago. This is probably the most important story in BC for the last 5 years. What story could possibly be bigger? Hey Bill, you missed it you dummy.

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I honestly did not know that Bill Good was still on the air. “A Minute with Bill Good”. I would rather spend 10 minutes in the urine drenched elevator at Surrey Central Station than spend a minute with that HAM-enabler!!! Bill Good was a (metaphorical) accessory to the crime that the BC Liberals committed the people of BC by selling us all out. He was part of the cabal that denied foreign ownership for years and would not let it be discussed. Now that people are waking up and the chickens are coming home to roost, you would think he would have the good sense to go off into hiding. The chutzpa of these traitors (Rich Coleman is the number 1 traitor) to think that they can still have public careers and personalities is just stunning.

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Given his demographic and his position in the media industry, I would think someone like Bill Good would be a prime target for the Me Too movement. We’ve seen so many high profile grey-haired men in the media industry fall down to the Me Too movement in recent months that I honestly would not be surprised if victims came forward. All victims must be believed.

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Whether you like Trump or not, he provides endless examples of fake news hits against him. Some of fake news can be explained as mistakes. Some of it can be explained by incompetence. But some of it also intentionally false or misleading. The fish feeding in Japan is a good example of that. A lot of media outlets wanted to make Trump look bad and they intentionally left out the Japanese Prime Minister dumping the food immediately before Trump did. A lot of news is designed to create conflict through sensationalism. The media will often prop up one side of a conflict in an attempt to raise the credibility of a story. In these cases, you’ll see that the media won’t ask the weak side tough questions. Rather, they just let them spew their talking points. Environmental groups are great… Read more »
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I didn’t see a single MSM outlet misrepresent the fish feeding. That was all nonsense social media clickbait.

Don’t forget that he also calls fake news even when they’re spot on – which is most of the time.

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“Don’t forget that he also calls fake news even when they’re spot on – which is most of the time.”

My sides are splitting from that ridiculous sentence. The MSM is seldom “spot on”. A bunch of liars.

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“I didn’t see a single MSM outlet misrepresent the fish feeding. That was all nonsense social media clickbait.”

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/358983-media-shows-why-its-so-mistrusted-after-falsified-trump-fish-feeding

We all saw it but you didnt, huh? You’re either blind, stupid, decietful, hypocrital, a compulsive liar, but most likely all of the above.

Fuck off you despicable piece of shit.

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Thanks for proving my point that it was mostly individual reporters on social media, not articles from the outlets themselves. Disengage your auto-oppose, moron.

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Stupid fucker you can’t read or comprehend English.

The MSM first reported the lie, then the other idiots on social media piled on.

How dumb can you get?

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Please express your opposition against designating Dec 13 as Nanjing “Massacre” Memorial Day by Canadian Gov’t. This is China subverting Canadian sovereignty and VICTIMIZING Japanese people again for a supposed “massacre” that never happened! We can’t let Canada become a puppet of China and Xi!

https://www.change.org/p/davislevi19-hotmail-com-opposition-against-designating-dec-13-as-nanjing-massacre-remembrance-day-in-canada

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To the Victor
(i)go the spoils and
(ii)the right to write history.

If people would only open their eyes a bit and THINK…

How about the other events that allegedly happened in Europe during WW2 that nobody can question.

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One of the things that help open my eyes in the past few years was how so many people from PRC vehemently hate Japan and Japanese people. I once worked as an English tutor for several students from PRC. One female student who looked very sweet and innocent and loved showing off pictures of her puppy one day just said out of the blue, “Wouldn’t it be so wonderful if Japan was nuked?” She said it with a look of glee in her eyes. Nothing would have made this sweet young girl more happy than to see the nuclear annihilation of Japan. The hate for all things Japanese is mind blowing but they never get called out for being racist.

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Would china have remembrance day for our fallen soldiers?
What a joke. Her duty here is to make Canada Chinese province.

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we don’t need to be dragged into other people’s arguments. driving a wedge between allies like canada and japan would only benefit china.

i wouldn’t be surprised if that petition was created by a PRC agent to sow dissent.

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This is incredible where we are kowtowing to the worlds biggest threat to the world who had massacre 85 millions of its citizens, fought and killed many Canadians during the Korean and Vietnam War. Japan has since been a peace loving and a friend to world for the last seventy year!

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Sure thing, let Canada recognize this massacre as long as we also recognize the Tianenmen massacre, the great leap forward massacre and the cultural revolution massacre.

Since the chinese are not at all hypocrites they should not mind in the least that we hold ceremonies for all of these at their embassy and consulate all over Canada.

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“Taipei, Dec. 13 (CNA) History cannot be forgotten, and countries should learn from history and make efforts to promote peace in the region, a Taiwanese official said Saturday, the 77th anniversary of the start of the Nanjing Massacre committed by Japanese troops in China during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945).

Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Anna Kao said the massacre was a historical tragedy, when asked about the issue.

In reiterating the Republic of China’s stance, Kao said that history cannot be forgotten, and she called on the countries involved to learn from history to avoid recurrence of such tragedies. She also urged countries in the region to develop friendly relations and work together to promote peace and stability in the region.”

Nanjing massacre of 1937: Taiwan urges nations to learn from history