One decade since the US Housing Bubble bust

Wow, time flies when you’re having fun!

Did you know that it was ten years ago that the US financial system had a little stumble due to over exuberance in the housing market?

10 years is a long time, but it’s how long it took at least one guy to sell his house.

That guy figures he lost about 60K over those ten years on a house he paid $137k for.

Fortunately in Vancouver there are no $137k houses so that can’t happen here.

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bullwhip29
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Rich investors granted Canadian residency despite fake documents and dubious assets, ex-officials say
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebec-immigrant-investor-program-civil-servants-1.4830231

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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

When will this stuff stop?

bullwhip29
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what i don’t get is that many here and elsewhere don’t believe it is actually happening and would rather cite someone like myself as a blow hard racist spewing nothing but fake news. the only logical explanation for all the craziness is that activity like this is and has been running rampant all over the country behind closed doors. i dont buy the notion that only certain stories or cases were cherry picked to make a certain group look bad and would rather believe that the more rocks we turn over, the more we’ll find. the question that still remains is whether the powers that be really, truly want to look. i suspect they already know what they’ll find…

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Uh…when we have Federal leadership that grows a set and tells provinces they don’t have the right to grant Canadian residency…it’s ridiculous.

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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN!

That will never happen.

What politician is going to tell that to Quebec?

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Apparently, it’s stopped here … for several months. We can keep posting about rich asians coming hoping to drive some kind of FOMO, but apparently it’s not persuading people to jump into the market. Just the opposite!

http://www.myvancouverproperty.ca/houses-for-sale-in-vancouver-under-1000000

“Houses for sale in Vancouver <$1,000,000"

http://vancitycondoguide.com/bc-housing-sales-slide-in-august/

"Home sales in the province dropped 26% year-over-year in the month of August. There were just 6748 sales in BC, a six year low for the month. The slowdown was rather daunting in the Fraser Valley where sales slid an eye watering 39.5% in August. Greater Vancouver sales fell 37%, Victoria by 21%, and the Okanagan-Mainline by 20%. Regardless of how you slice it, the trend was rather ominous."

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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

Just a few weeks ago, Patriotz replied to one of my comments telling me that there is nothing for me to worry about with the Quebec Immigrant Investor program. That article says 85% end up in Ontario or BC.. This is a huge issue and it’s only going to get bigger. What a dolt Patriotz is!
Oh, and if you haven’t already, please join the People’s Party of Canada. If you join before October 31, 2018 you will receive a certificate saying you are a founding member. You want to be able to tell your grandchildren you tried to do the right thing for them. So please join.

patriotz
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“Just a few weeks ago, Patriotz replied to one of my comments”

So why didn’t you quote the reply?

Make Vancouver Canadian Again
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Make Vancouver Canadian Again

Because I have more important things to do with my time than search for your past posts on VCI. I remember it and that’s good enough. Do you deny saying it? It was in the context of talking about why I switched from NDP to Liberal last election. I was saying that Mulcair was overly concerned with Quebec and so we couldn’t expect him to do anything about the Quebec Immigrant Investor Program, which contributes to housing hardship here in BC. That was a big reason why I did not vote NDP and voted Liberal for the first time ever. You said something to the effect that it’s not an issue, it’s not something I really need to be worried about. But it IS an issue — a big one!

Specuskeptic
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“I remember it and that’s good enough” is not very far from “trust me” in both sentiment and attitude. Odd that you have that in common too. Very. Odd. Such a coincidence…..

Dave
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Patriotz is Deep State. He’s an apologist for anything government related.

I like Bernier and he’s right about most things. But, supporting him keeps the worst PM ever in power. I’d rather Bernier do his thing within the Conservative Party. So that leaves me torn between pragmatism and idealism.

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I am familiar with that point of view, Dave — as I am now conversing and debating with many different types of Conservatives. You sound like someone in the Conservative base. What those people (and you, respectfully) overlook is the fact that BernierNation and the PPC are not just about the Conservative base, as it is now. It’s about expanding the Conservative base by bringing new people into the Conservative fold — people like me! Walkaway is real and there are loads of people walking away from the left right now. The NDP at the federal level barely has a pulse. People are turned off of Trudeau and want change. People are tired of identity politics, even people on the left are tired of it. The NDP has always had an undercurrent of nationalism. And that undercurrent that actually cares… Read more »
Dave
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For sure, it’s a different world and I do believe a grassroots political party can quickly gain traction. But, it does need widespread appeal for that to occur. For example, the Green movement failed to take hold because they’re a single issue party and don’t appeal to a broad enough segment. That said, I think a Libertarian leaning party only has so much headroom. It’s not as single issue as say a Green Party, but it’ll never be broad based in my view, or at least at this point in history. Canadian’s love the nanny state and define themselves by it. So I think Libertarians are better to stay within the Conservative fold.

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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN!

The certificate will make an excellent litter box liner in 2 years after that party gets 1 seat and runs out of funding.

bullwhip29
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bullwhip29

OK, the news story about Hong Guo and some other legal nonsense is now back…

Chinese investors claim they are $13 million out of pocket after a $40 million Richmond development deal, involving mayor candidate Hong Guo, turned sour
https://www.richmond-news.com/news/richmond-mayoral-candidate-hong-guo-faces-lawsuit-over-13m-dispute-1.23436524

Ralph
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Ralph

“Guo has failed to file a defence within the time required by law”

and she’s supposed to be a lawyer??? What a joke.

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Of course,

…………………………..we all know this case is such an anomaly( and no indication whatsoever of a pending flood of similar cases of foreign locusts being ripped off by other foreign locusts being made public and concurrent court filings. )

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“In the early 2000s, the Quebec government hired an outside firm to help vet applications. It was found that more than 65 per cent of them contained forged documentation.”
“One former bureaucrat recalled rejecting a candidate on suspicions their assets were corruptly obtained. His boss instructed him to be more lenient next time because corruption existed in Quebec too.”

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Diadora

Quebec IIP: We knew they weren’t coming to Quebec and we also knew they weren’t going to learn French.
– Former immigration official
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebec-immigrant-investor-program-civil-servants-1.4830231

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Lost...but not leased

Where’s Eby ?

Eby head is firmly planted up Keg Waiters ass……..whose own head is firmly planted up Weaver’s ass.
(NOTE: This combination eerily mimics Chinese Dragon dance. )

Subject to change depending on New Dysfunctional Party inner turmoil whereby knives come out. Refer to last NDP administration and 4 count em FOUR premiers in 10 years( Harcourt, Clark, Miller, Dosanjh).

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Oracle

Can’t believe some people still support this liar. He could have wrapped up the money laundering files and housing by now.

What do we have currently:

-Bare trusts
-Development rush for mansion grandfathering on ALR.
– backtracking on spec tax
List goes on.

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Coming soon to a city near and dear to our hearts! Condo project cancellation prompts calls for provincial action The cancellation of another large Toronto-area condominium development, this one planned for the City of Vaughan’s Metropolitan Centre, has left buyers furious and prompted calls for provincial action from frustrated city officials. On Sept. 14, people who had put down deposits for pre-construction contracts in a 53-storey tower called “The Icona” began getting their money back with a claim from the developer that said the project was now “un-financeable.” “This is disappointing and a poor way to do business in our City,” said Vaughan Mayor Maurizio Bevilacqua in a statement. About 1,000 of the planned 1,143 apartment units had been pre-sold in early 2017 for a proposed tower at 3201 Highway 7, land currently occupied by a Hilton hotel. The letter… Read more »
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My guess is within next few weeks you will see a lot of projects cancelled…..writing is on the wall. CRA is going after flippers, others are caught up in financing/mortgage problems….and/or underwater….etc etc. ( really what moron would buy now versus sit and wait? )

Near me is a small condo project.say 5 units…stopped at framing stage(not lock up). Typical Chinese run….which can drag out for years.

Other projects (low rise) in many parts of Richmond are commencing…but slowly…..and not sold out.

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Oracle
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Oracle

Vancouver has basically increased prices overnight.

Every lot in the city is going to be thought of as 2 lots. Smaller though but still ground oriented.

IMO, prices on SFD have risen overnight. Many will build 2 and rent out the 2nd half.

Simple Solution
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Simple Solution

Really? Risen? because now on a standard size lot you can build 2 – 1400sq ft duplexes? With basement suites?

You are pure comedy….

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Lost...but not leased

How Oracle?

Prices doubled in 2015-2017……due to influx of billions from offshore.
Proving to be unsustainable.

More likely haircuts back to pre- 2015 level.

Simple Solution
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Simple Solution

Haircuts is what we are seeing in the market right now….

Fullfrontalabotomy
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Fullfrontalabotomy

What effect will this have on the supply? And what effect will that have on prices? Take all the timeeyou need….

bullwhip29
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this isn’t as cut and dried as some might think. a lot of older homes have already been torn down and the layout in many of the newly built homes might not be a good fit for duplex configuration. of course, there are areas where demolition isn’t allowed. obviously an expensive modification or rebuild makes no economic sense. also the restrictions on what can be done with the additional unit (or existing laneway home) were ratcheted upward after many already took the city at face value and built the additional units (which they now can’t rent out short or leave empty). it’s funny that the richmond mega home model appears to offer owners the most leeway in terms of vacancy, rental or use as a hotel, casino, brothel, boiler room, money refining facility, grow op and so on and so… Read more »
Hyper-mega-Bull
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Hyper-mega-Bull

every time the market starts to cool the city does something like this.

KickThemOut
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KickThemOut

99% of Vancouver SFH rezoned for duplex. Let the feeding frenzy begin! Front / back duplex – with back duplex becoming a rooming house for dozens of Oracle’s closest relatives and dozens more imaginary female university tenants / sex slaves all servicing just him for free room & board.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4468086/99-per-cent-of-vancouver-single-family-neighbourhoods-now-zoned-for-duplexes/

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Nothing more than a dirty trick by a failed political party”VISION” that knows it will get its ass kicked in upcoming civic elections.

This is a final commie “shit-on- their- head” shot at the SFH owners who are demonized as the bourgoise problem?

It will solve nothing. (isn’t higher density ala condos supposed to fix affordability…duhhhh)

Simply another method to ratchet up property taxes via “higher- and best- use” designation.

VISION is simply precursor to BC NDP moves…..

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KickThemOut

Trump is simply killing it right now!

China is announcing tariff reductions now rather than taking retaliatory measures because they know they are screwed. Trump isn’t going anywhere and will only tighten the screwed more, along with everyone else in the World.

North Korea fatty Kim is promising to de-nuclearize quickly after Korean Summit, and now begging Trump for another meeting.

Canada can act tough but NAFTA is pretty much going to be on US’ terms.

Trump is just killing it right now.

Laibach
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Laibach

Not exactly related to RE but very related to our local culture, regular norms, habits, and standards that blossomed over the past 20 years as result of multiculturalism, preferable immigration, and political correctness.

“The following editorial will take you inside the dark world of data brokering, as we expose the backroom deals in which fifteen years of customer data from defunct Canadian retailer NCIX were sold. Every single piece of personal data ever given to NCIX over the last 15 years has been leaked and sold, including plaintext credit card info, email addresses, and passwords.”

https://www.privacyfly.com/articles/ncix_breach/

Dave
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The guy who wrote and did that is a douchebag. I’m OK with him letting the public know their data was compromised but there was no need to mention that the former owner had pictures of himself with escorts. Why potentially ruin his family life when it doesn’t affect you or anybody else? He deserves a serious beating just doing that in my view. He deserves a beating just for being stupid enough to think the owner won’t get him back for making that public.

Laibach
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Laibach

Good point, but how dumb or ignorant one (owner) can be to let that happen. He totally deserves to be severely punished for what he did to clients and businesses that got exposed due to his stupidity, irresponsibility and of course greed. If we had more of those shit exposed and published perhaps we might see some progress toward justice that is notoriously obstructed by dedicated political correctness.

M-
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Jeez… If you have ever shopped online at NCIX, and if you re-use passwords, it’s time to change the password on other sites.

Oracle
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Oracle

Homeowners in Vancouver proper have hit the jackpot. They’ve basically got a 50% boost in prices.

Tear down that are $1.5 million will mean duplexes for $1.2 million x 2.

Cue FOMO 2.0 for townhomes and condos. Nothing going to be less than $1 million soon. Not even condos.

Now if the NDP assholes would only do so thing this bold on the other side.

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Jackpot in declining market ?

Current SFH owners will be taxed higher….that’s a guarantee.
Laneway homes create quasi duplex per SFH site….study these first.

If the prices were to rise…that decreases affordability.

NOBODY gains except City coffers.

Oracle
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Oracle

Sure they’ll be taxed higher but eventually SFD homes will be in the $3-5 million range. They will become less and less percentage of total housing stock.

This should set a fire under Richmond detached homes.

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Can’t see it Oracle…at least not in near future.

HAM were the buyers….I can’t see them flocking in….they either want SFH or strata(townhouse or condo)…duplexes are a hybrid. This may help existing McMansion sales if they can be” duplexed”, but this will create tensions in SFH neighbourhoods.

Then again..if the 1/2 duplex ends up costing say $2 million….why not buy into a cheaper hi rise?

Marpole area has this duplex zoning…they are functional but limited aesthetics. aka ugly Stalinesque.

There is plenty of existing newly- zoned capacity for future higher density needs(which themselves are unaffordable.

This DUPLEX move was simply a petty move by VISION…which means a lot of problems in the future.
I don’t see a market for duplexes with the exception of family units.

Simple Solution
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Simple Solution

Did you say million? surely you meant billion or even trillion no?

Ralph
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Ralph

Oracle just likes to try getting people riled up.

Jesus
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Jesus

YOu still need to tear down and build. How much does it cost to build a duplex? 1 million plus easily.

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MAKE TRUDEAU A DRAMA TEACHER AGAIN

In Oracle’s dream world his cousins can build you a house for $100 a sq/ft

Specuskeptic
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Pleased ignore Oracle and his douchebaggery. It just feeds his ego and it’s the only reason he’s here. By not even acknowledging his posts, he’ll eventually go away…. or at least come up with a new handle.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

At least he provides a small amount of entertainment value like a court jester or other such clown, unlike AIDS who has contributed absolutely zero for the last 5 years, other than being a mean, spiteful prick to most of the posters.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Only the racists.

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So anyone who says anything remotely negative towards or about a Chinese person regardless of said persons actions.

Sound about right loser?

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

Wrong. Using racial slurs defines somebody as a racist. I’m so sorry that this confuses you time and time again. It’s really quite a simple concept.

Shut It Down Already (original)
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Shut It Down Already (original)

As I thought….

Simple Solution
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Simple Solution

No way… oracle can build for free!

bullwhip29
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exactly.
besides, many 1000s of older homes have already been torn down and rebuilt in the last decade. the cost to do major modification or rebuild makes no sense. if owner is planning on living on property, he/she has more options (income-wise) by keeping single large home and renting out rooms, suites

Simple Solution
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Simple Solution

50% boost in prices… you are freaking ridiculous… tear down at 1.5M would mean duplex at 1.2 x2… wow oh wow. I assume you can build for free???? I love your analysis…

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xyz

Bricks and slaughter:
Part one – Exposing Australia’s housing crisis | 60 Minutes Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smPR0s2W-Ck

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Lost...but not leased

Watched that Aussie 60 minutes yesterday…..

GT latest post says Big 6 Banks are safe…..

Is it a coincidence that this RE ramp up( and overdue collapse) is pretty much the same in Commonwealth countries????? NOT !
Same SHITE..different players. We subject of “Her Majesty ” are simply packaged as serfs and peons to “City of London”Rothschilds banksters.

Been following the Aussie RE market for a while, IMHO what happens there is foreshadowing HERE.

IMHO, THE big warning sign will be foreign locusts “RE price catalyzing”money drying up as well as law suits by the same as they screw each other over.

The rest of us can sit back and “observe” what SHTF and where the dust settles.

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Bag it and tag it

If we think/thought lending practices are/were loose here, it is/was at a whole different level in Australia, specifically interest only mortgages. You should me a country with interest only mortgages and….well, you get the picture….

kabloona
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kabloona

Good program….

Specuskeptic
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Rich investors granted Canadian residency despite suspicions of fake documents and dubious assets

“In the early 2000s, the Quebec government hired an outside firm to help vet applications. It was found that more than 65 per cent of them contained forged documentation.

And according to data obtained under Quebec’s access-to-information law, from 2013 to 2017, a total of 1,783 immigrant investor applications were rejected by the province’s officers in Hong Kong due to faked documents.”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebec-immigrant-investor-program-civil-servants-1.4830231?cmp=FB_Post_News

65 percent contained forged documentation. Just let that sink in.

Among a total number of (legitimate) immigrants, and among total number of purchasers in the lower mainland, it is a small amount, but what tone does it set among local buyers? It definitely stokes FOMO… Fertile ground for the RE hype machine to market a-la-yellow helicopter.

Absolutely shameful.

Specuskeptic
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Sorry Diadora – didn’t realise you’d already posted this.

Bag it and tag it
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Bag it and tag it

Should be instant deportation and a lifetime ban from entering the country when applying for residence, visa, or citizenship with any type of forged document or any type of blatant lie.

Ralph
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Ralph

If these people are willing to lie on their official immigration application then what else are they capable of once they are living here?

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

Pumpkin farmers are asking the same question as we approach Halloween.

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

“65 percent contained forged documentation. Just let that sink in.”

That number doesn’t seem right, usually with mainland chinese the rate of fraud is around 95%.

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New
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TI:13538

http://www.clivestevepaul.com

Simple Solution
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Simple Solution

ouch…

Best place on meth
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Best place on meth

Regarding sales, I now have the answer I was looking for.

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Lost...but not leased

Not sure why other VCIers think 13,000 number is irrelevant, we’ve had worse TI numbers…

It took a while….but dam has burst…as predicted.

Oracle
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NDP backtracking on speeding cameras. But not the rate hikes. Hahaha

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Lost...but not leased

You mean NDP breaking backtracking speed limits ?!?

NDP will shite after Oct. 20 civic elections when VISION and other commie parties get nuked.

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“BC families paying almost $1,000 more in taxes under the NDP”

Families in British Columbia will be paying more in taxes with the new NDP government in power, according to a new study. ..Families with a higher income would see about a $2,000 annual increase

https://globalnews.ca/news/4464588/bc-families-paying-almost-1000-more-in-taxes-under-the-ndp-fraser-institute/

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Bag it and tag it

Yes but they didn’t subtract the $1000 each family is saving in medicare when they was chopped in half.

YVR
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That was the BC Liberals that cut MSP in half. You can thank them. The $2000 tax increase was all NDP.

Medical Services Plan (MSP) premiums will be cut in half starting January 1, 2018 as part of the 2017-2018 budget rolled out Tuesday (February 21) by Finance Minister Michael de Jong. The move is described as a step towards the eventual elimination of the MSP premiums.

https://www.straight.com/news/871821/bc-liberals-cut-msp-premiums-half-election-year-budget

YVR
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Landlords defend 4.5 percent rent increase set by B.C. NDP government for 2019 (Thanks NDP!)

http://vancouvercondo.info/2018/09/one-decade-since-the-us-housing-bubble-bust.html

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B.C. Green Party leader calls on NDP government to revise allowable rental increase formula

As renters in the province face the highest maximum rent hike since 2004, B.C. Green Party leader Andrew Weaver wants the NDP government to take a “hard look” at the allowable rental increase formula.

https://www.cheknews.ca/b-c-green-party-leader-calls-on-ndp-government-to-revise-allowable-rental-increase-formula-490471/

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Vancouver rental prices flatlining, despite fears over allowable increases
Median one-bed rents about the same as last year, as landlords come under fire over permitted price hikes

https://www.vancourier.com/real-estate/vancouver-rental-prices-flatlining-despite-fears-over-allowable-increases-1.23437313

YVR
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YVR

New rentals may be flat lining (at already absurd rates) but anyone already in a place gets a 9% increase.

Ralph
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Ralph

Not really. With more supply available the pressure to raise existing rents decreases. Or they can just move somewhere else.

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Best place on meth

Amazing that we had close to 3000 sales last Sept and this year we’re on pace for 1600.

Every month the stats get worse, whether it’s year over year sales, or month over month price drops.

YVR
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YVR

What is amazing is with these low sales numbers we are still at historically low inventory.

SilentBob
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With properties being privately marketed and sold through shadow channels (damn Norwegians), MLS has ceased to be a particularly good indicator of actual inventories. That said, it is likely still reflective of the overall trends.

bullwhip29
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there always seems to be a Vancouver connection…

Millionaire fugitive accused of murdering wife may be hiding in Canada
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/millionaire-fugitive-accused-of-murdering-wife-may-be-hiding-in-canada-1.4103674

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Emily Yu, the North Vancouver woman accused of running a hostel out of her Central Lonsdale townhouse is pushing back against the city’s attempt to have her shut down
https://www.vancourier.com/short-term-rental-owner-fights-north-van-city-lawsuit-1.23438023

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Burnaby residents told they won’t be able to park on their own street
https://www.vancourier.com/burnaby-residents-told-they-won-t-be-able-to-park-on-their-own-street-1.23437916