Vancouver Condo Info

You’ve probably heard of the Economist.

That magazine is the latest voice of doom when it comes to our housing market:

The magazine’s dire prediction comes as Canada’s mortgage brokers’ association is warning that the recent slowdown in home sales will continue and lead to large-scale job losses – though some parts of the country will continue to see growth in housing and related employment.

“A large bubble now looks set to burst,” The Economist predicts in its property markets report.

The U.K.-based business periodical found house prices in Canada are overvalued by 73 per cent when compared to rental prices, and 32 per cent overvalued when compared to household incomes.

Read the full Huffington Post article here and the original Economist article here.

The economist Dave Madani is at it again.

He’s got nothing good to say about the Canadian real estate market.

According to Dave it’s a bit early to claim there will be a ‘soft landing‘.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty has acted four times in the past five years to make mortgage-lending rules more restrictive amid concern that the Vancouver and Toronto markets were overheating. Flaherty has said he welcomes a slowdown of condominium construction in the two cities and has warned consumers, who have a record debt-to-disposable-income ratio of 165 percent, not to become overextended.

Madani, a former senior economist at the Bank of Canada, was the only person surveyed by Bloomberg News during the past two years who consistently predicted the central bank wouldn’t raise borrowing costs. Madani previously forecast home prices in the country would fall by 25 percent in the next few years.

Read the full article over at Bloomberg.

Banks in Canada get a lot of protection.

One thing that helps drive profit is CMHC mortgage insurance.

Wouldn’t it be great to make an investment where you got the profit and somebody else took over the risk?

The unfortunate side effect of this economic boosting is the the spectre of taxpayer liability for housing bubble fallout.

But what if the banks bailed out the CMHC after being bailed out by the CMHC?

Sounds a bit like a perpetual motion machine but that’s what BMO analyst John Reucassel is suggesting could happen if the CMHC went bust:

“It appears to us that the CMHC is reasonably well capitalized and positioned to meet the challenges from a housing slowdown.  However, investors may be concerned that, in a severe downturn, Canadian banks may either a) need to recapitalize the CMHC; or b) absorb some of the losses.”

Read the full article over at the Financial Post.

Is the market picking up after last years slide?

Troll shared these numbers in the previous thread:

Here’s some facts for the navel gazers to vote down:

Apr 1-15: 115 sales/day
Apr 16-30: 127 sales/day
May 1-8: 137 sales/day

Sales are strengthening during a time that they usually begin to fall off. MOI is also falling. Like it or not bears, this market is beginning to show some signs of strength. Not so simple to just dismiss as a bull trap.

Then frank pointed out we’re still pretty high on the inventory front:

Here’s VMD‘s interpretation of the trend:

Been on vacay in remote areas without internet..
to further Troll #103′s stats:

So far in May: 137/d vs 133 (2012) vs 160 (2011)
Apr 16-30: 127 (2013) vs 140 (2012) vs 159 (2011)
Apr 01-15: 115 (2013) vs 154 (2012) vs 147 (2011)

Look at May vs Apr sales in last few years:
2012: 2853 2011: 3377 2010: 3156 2009: 3524

The statement that “Sales are strengthening during a time that they usually begin to fall off” is incorrect. Sales almost always fall off in June (except 2009), not May.

and here’s Trolls response to that:

I don’t like using monthly numbers because they are skewed by the number of business days, one or two extra days can skew the numbers. I think a better measure is sales/day. For example you show increasing sales for 2012 from April to May, but if you break it down by sales per day, you get the following:

Apr. 1-15: 154 sales/day
Apr. 16-30: 144 sales/day
May 1-8: 133 sales/day

Falling just as I said.

So what do you think? Are we seeing enough of a trend reversal yet to say the market is strengthening or is it a normal spring bump on a long hill down?

Some people express a lack of faith in current house prices by delaying buying or moving to better economic climates.

Others might make a friendly wager with a co-worker that house prices will be lower in 2014 than they are in 2013.

But how confident are you that a market correction will occur not just in Vancouver, but all across Canada?

And even if the national market corrected sharply do you think that would have much impact on our banks or would CMHC insurance protect them from any dramatic losses?

Do you really think a housing market crash would have as much effect on our economy as it did in the USA?

Would you be willing to bet 95% of your assets on the likelyhood of such an occurrence?

Vijai Mohan has made an all-in bet against Canada.

The founder of a small San Francisco-based hedge fund called Hyphen Partners LP has staked 95 per cent of his investors’ assets on a wager that the country’s housing market and banking sector are about to come apart at the seams. Mr. Mohan has amassed large short positions on Canadian bank shares and the loonie, betting their values will fall sharply.

“Canada faces two risks,” said Mr. Mohan in an interview. “Very few people are looking at those risks simultaneously. That collectively presents a lot of opportunity” – for someone looking to profit from Canada’s misfortunes.

Read the full article over at the Globe and Mail.

It’s not just Vancouver.

Across Canada the condo market is looking a little peaked.

If this is a party the keg has run dry.

Toronto and Montreal are slamming the last of the jager and slurring. Vancouver is puking in the corner.

The last time we saw Whistler they were snorting white powder on the roof and screaming they could fly.

The hang-over for this one is gonna be a bitch.

It’s evident that the condo markets in Canada’s largest cities are in the midst of some sort of correction. That final chapter on this has not yet been written.

Here’s some advice. For investors, now that the condo party appears to be over, it’s worth wondering if anyone will be left with a hangover. If history is any guide, a hard landing in the condo market tends to hit those holding the financing on condo projects first and foremost.

That’s from this Globe and Mail article by Ben Rabidoux.

If you’re flustered by the Paywall at that site and you have some time downtown in the afternoon you may be able to hear it from the author himself.

Ben is doing a talk from 4 – 5pm at Canada place today on the future of the Canadian real estate market. Free pre-registration is required and we haven’t heard if there are still tickets left, but it’s worth a try if you’re interested in this subject.

Vancouver house prices have been falling for the last year, but they saw a small bump last month.

So have prices hit bottom?

And what about the national market?

For one view on what the future holds you might be interested in checking out the 2013 World MoneyShow Canadian Real Estate presentation happening next week at the Vancouver Convention Centre.

The last time Ben Rabidoux and David LePoidevin put on this show it got a fair amount of favorable feedback from commenters here. If you missed that presentation here’s your chance to catch it again.

The show is free to attend but requires pre-registration. It will be held downtown at the Vancouver Convention Center next Thursday the 18th from 4-5pm.

If you attended the last presentation feel free to leave your feedback and thoughts in the comment area here.

According to this article in the Financial Post signs of a Canadian housing downturn are everywhere.

They don’t pull many punches as they discuss the national home sales decline, overvalued housing and semantics:

Let’s not argue over whether Canada is the proud owner of a pretty pink housing balloon or a black bubble because either way, they both can pop.

They report some interesting numbers that the general public is likely not aware of. Did you know that housing related industries currently make up 27% of the Canadian economy? For a little bit of perspective that compares to 24% of the US economy at the height of their housing bubble.

Then of course there are the predictions for the future:

“Overall, we think existing home sales will continue to decline with negative implications for the elevated level of home building and broader knock-in implications for domestic demand growth,” David Madani, an analyst with Capital Economics, wrote in newsletter Friday.

And Mr. Ben Rabidoux, what do you think?

“Typically when you have a distortion in the economy, it is rarely painless to rebalance it. We’re in for a relatively painful period.”

Read the full article here.

Normally spring is a busy time in the real estate market.

Sales rise, prices rise.

That’s normal.

What isn’t normal is when usually optimistic Real Estate organizations and banks start predicting falling prices.

Down is the new normal.

Central 1 Credit union economist Bryan Yu says last year hit a 12 year low in sales and the coming year is predicted to be bad with continuing drops in both sales and prices:

He expects resales will fall another four per cent this year to 31,500 while the median price, the midpoint between highest and lowest, will slide six per cent to $474,000.

Yu says “subdued immigration, stagnant employment growth and the most recent round of mortgage insurance rule tightening will weigh on purchasing… biting particularly hard in high-priced Greater Vancouver.”

Full article at News 1130.

Many Franks pointed out this article in the Economist.

Looks like some gloomy gus over at that magazine is taking a peek behind the curtain that is Canada’s economic miracle.

WHEN the world financial system collapsed in 2007, triggering a global recession, Canada recovered faster than any of the other members of the G7 group of large developed countries. Its banks remained solid, while low interest rates encouraged consumers to borrow and spend. But five years on, consumers are showing signs of flagging. The economy is set to expand by a paltry 1.6% this year. So the authorities are casting around for another source of growth. The trouble is they cannot seem to find one.

The problem?

Our engine of growth recently has been based on rising household debt. Imagine our surprise when the result of this growth in debt manifests itself in high debt loads.

Will we be able to engineer a smooth transition to an economy that grows based on business investment and exports instead?

Read the full article here.